In the age of Trump: perils and promises

 

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Article by: Kseniya Kirillova
American society is about to be tested as never before

The new American president has just taken office, but the world is already fearful as never before. In fact, Donald Trump, even before taking office, has already done a lot of harm to the country and the world, the consequences of which we may not yet fully realize.

First of all, we should note the extreme division in the American society. Trump’s constant attacks, first against representatives of various minority groups, and then against the free press and the USA’s own intelligence services, as well as against those of his critics who have great prestige in American society, prevented the newly elected president from improving his low standing among his opponents. Americans are not used to living under the constant pressure of insults and threats, so each such escapade of the future head of the White House invariably gave rise to his opposition in the information space.

When Trump in a Christmas tweet called his opponents enemies, it was shocking: never before has a president, even a president-elect, allowed himself to use such language against his fellow citizens.

And that’s against the backdrop of glorifying the real geopolitical enemies of his country.

As a result, in just a few months – since Trump became the official presidential nominee of the Republican Party – the basic values of American society became blurred. Such values as respect for the individual, human rights, dignity, reputation, freedom, international law and justice were badly shaken. Trump’s fans with frightening fanaticism do not pay any attention to his blatant lies, constantly conflicting statements, irresponsible promises, incompetence and frightening aggressiveness. In general, Americans had the opportunity to fully experience the era of post-truth – when, as described by the compilers of the Oxford dictionary, the objective facts are less important for the formation of public opinion than an appeal to the emotions and personal beliefs.

As has happened in Russia, truth in the US began to lose its significance. Everyone prefers to believe in a comfortable reality, calling anything contrary to it “opposition propaganda,” and do not bother to check the facts and outrageous statements.

Against this background, Trump always has an advantage over his critics, since his claims are not limited by any standards of decency and objectivity, while his critics are still trying to follow the rules and ethical canons. But when they, too, are in violation of the standards, like it happened with the publication of a 35-page unverified dossier, it once again undermines faith in the intrinsic value of truth, turning concerns over US national security into a political game and the war over compromising materials.

In addition to his own lies, Donald Trump helped popularize Russian propaganda in the Americans society, including the part that directly concerns the Russian-Ukrainian war. His constant admiration of Vladimir Putin has led to Putin’s sharply higher ratings specifically in the past year, according to sociological data, among members of the Republican party (and many ordinary Americans are official members of one of the political parties).

According to the graph, the rise in popularity of the Russian leader was observed in the period from July to November 2016 and further, that is, just when Trump was actively promoting his “friend Vladimir.”

Huge damage was also done to the US intelligence community, particularly the CIA.

The open support of Vladimir Putin, uncritical citing of his claims, defending and praising him in conjunction with the brazen mockery of the findings of our own intelligence; comparison of US intelligence with the secret police of Nazi Germany has been regarded by many American experts as a direct threat to national security.

America under President Trump is no longer an ally of the free world, it is an ally of dictators

Meanwhile, Russia, even without waiting for the Trump’s presidency, but obviously counting on it has already begun destabilizing the Balkans, which could threaten a new war in the region. Moscow’s behavior also became much more aggressive in the ex-USSR region, in particular with regard to Belarus.

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In this case we are talking not only about international security and the protection of the United States “on external borders,” i.e. its intelligence. America really is losing allies abroad – those who believed in its values, and to whom they were important. Residents of the former Soviet Union, too familiar with such evil as the cult of unscrupulousness, lies and brute force combined with the humiliation of opponents, unmistakably identified similar trends in the United States. “America under President Trump is no longer an ally of the free world, it is an ally of dictators,” told me in Russian politician Vladimir Milov an interview .

It is no less difficult to explain to the thinking Americans why their country is now better than Russia. I have heard more than once here in the US that of the two evils, that is, Trump and Putin, Putin is at least more restrained, smarter and more cunning than Trump. In fact, the Russian leader favorably compares to his US counterparts in that his behavior is more subtle, he is not prone to tantrums, his lying is more professional and he has at least some “charm of the KGB.” And this is not something that you can say about the new leader of the US, whose type of brutality inevitably pushes away the intelligentsia.

There is also danger in the personal example of Donald Trump and his entourage. For example, recently we received an official confirmation of the information that General Michael Flynn, who is a national security adviser to Trump, was in constant contact with the Russian ambassador to the United States in recent weeks. In this case, inevitably there are people wondering why, if the president can bow before the Russian leader in the period of maximum confrontation between the two countries, and his assistants are constantly in the Russian embassy, can’t they do the same?

In short, the formula “Putin looks more like a winner than Trump” (a statement with which it is difficult to argue) equally affects both the supporters of the US President-elect and his opponents. This certainly creates some risks, not only in foreign policy but also inside the US.

However, even with all the existing perils and the already clear negative aspects of Trump’s presidency, skeptics and fans of “betting on the winner” need to be reminded that America is still not Russia, and there are significant differences:

  1. Such institutions as civil society and separation of powers have a long and successful history as part of the American system. Yes, at the moment they are at risk but don’t think that they can be destroyed so easily. Even in Russia, where there was little democratic tradition, it took more than ten years to establish a rigid form of authoritarianism. In the US, the level of systemic opposition is higher, and ordinary citizens are willing to fight for their rights.
  2. In addition to its institutions, the US system also has a high degree of inertia, and it still applies to both its foreign and domestic policy. Changes “at the top” are unlikely to reach ordinary citizens quickly – to the chagrin of everyone who would like to repeat the “feat” of Michael Flynn.
  3. Trump is not immortal, and in addition to the choice between two evils in this world, positive values and people who abide by them still endure. Unfortunately, none of these people have been able to become a brilliant political leader thus far, but this does not mean that these leaders will not appear in the future. Publicist and analyst Lilia Shevtsova rightly noted “a crisis is always not only a manifestation of the disease but also the possibility of recovery,” which means “there is hope for a new generation of elite capable of returning the western civilization to its ancestral principles.”

In addition, any faith in any values and principles requires first and foremost loyalty – a quality that reveals itself not in victories, but precisely in defeats. Now we have entered a period where American society and the old Europe and the new European democracies are undergoing a tremendous test of strength. But do not give up just yet.


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Translated by: Inna Carboni

Source: tsn.ua

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  1. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

    Trump must be taking bribes from Mexican cement companies.

  2. Avatar Mephisto says:

    Trump just said that he wants to bring back torture because “it absolutely works”. It would be nice to see Trump being tortured to reveal his ties to criminal regime in Russia.

    1. Avatar туфтуф says:

      Lolz

  3. Avatar Dalton says:

    LOL the media and globalist assaults are obviously going to be relentless until the US and Russia are nuking one another and of course that somehow will help Ukraine.

    Is Euromaidan Press going to prove itself to be an extension of the globalist liberal network worthy of pravda type propaganda with legitimizing “unverified” reports and biased opinion pieces as news and or do you think it’s possible to allow more than a week in office to begin judging the new administration and its yet undetermined positions? Let me remind you also that the interest should be in relation to Ukraine and that the only party in the US election that specifically mentioned unwavering support for Ukraine was the Republican platform.

    If your contributors are going to continue the establishment political campaign against the now- President- then you’re going to lose alot of goodwill support and financial support from those Americans who are sick and tired of the propaganda and being told what to think, who would rather prefer to focus on how Ukraine moves forward with its goals and for its people, and how to ensure Ukraine’s future and chances for prosperity and independence is strengthened, not on alienating half the US population because of opinions that do nothing but propagate negative and hateful rhetoric that seeks to further divide the US populace.

    1. Avatar Mephisto says:

      Trump himself questions the legitimacy of his own election and is going to appoint a special committee made up of his sons and daughters to lead the investigation into massive voter fraud. I hope that the comittee will confirm the massive fraud and the Supreme Court will order new elections.

      “globalist liberal network”, OMG. I am not sure what you mean by “liberal”. The word might have a different meaning for you. If anything, I consider myself a humanist and I will fight evil wherever I find it, on the left or on the right, in the US or in Russia. It is nor really about left or right, about US or Russia, but about good vs evil. There is both evil and good in every nation. I am sorry, but Trump is evil. That does not mean that America or its people are evil. You just elected a narcissistic sociopath
      https://truthlover5.com/2012/12/07/profile-of-a-sociopath-charming-manipulative-grandiose-lying-narcissitic-authoritarian-secretive/

      If you do not like this feedback. Well, that is your problem. We will fight Russia even without the US and patiently wait, till the US regains it senses. Ukraine fought Putler on its own.

      1. Avatar Dalton says:

        No, he doesn’t question “the legitimacy” of his presidency and to suggest it shows how effective the left and its media have propagandized something they would have ignored had their candidate won. The very fact that the left ignored the outrageous interview by Obama where he seemed to invite illegals to vote, is enough to demand investigation into voter fraud, not to mention the reports that showed evidence of it actually taking place as well as video evidence of Democrat party operatives engaging in it. I too hope it can be proven that states where there is no mechanism (thanks to Democratic leaders and politics in the US Congress and in those states who refuse to enact voter ID laws) to ensure the person who votes is the person they say they are so that they can be forced to ensure no non-citizen can vote. Read history. Elections have been stolen in America because of voter fraud and it is undeniable, and can be directly tied to Democratic party. Unfortunately for you, your candidate lost. It was a terrible crazy man who was threatening democracy as I recall, when he stated he may challenge the result of the election because of the (demonstrable) rigging against him in the media coverage and establishment efforts to coronate Hillary, but now that he actually won, the establishment has to reclaim its power over the narrative by which we’re all to base our truth, so of course they have to try to weaken the President because he isn’t “theirs.”
        To clear it up for you , Liberal means leftist, which is what the Democrat Party has become. Bernie Sanders is a marxist ideologue who is self-described as a Socialist. That’s leftist. That’s globalist, one worldism, anti-freedom in all forms because it believes in big government which is the antithesis of individual liberty, And that’s what I call “Evil” as I too fight it.
        I’m glad you at least recognized Ukraine in your rant, but I’m still shaking my head as to how you people think Hillary and Democrats in charge in the US would have in ANY way been good for Ukraine? Ukraine wasn’t even mentioned directly in the Democratic Platform yet the Republicans specifically and directly called for its defense and support. Why does that not sink in for you all? How can you possibly think the lack of interest shown by Obama and a potential follow up with Hillary and the Democratic party with the same lack of care or interest that allowed Crimea to be taken and Donbass destroyed and tens of thousands of Ukrainians victimized?
        The US should have lived up to its promise to protect and defend Ukraine from exactly what happened and my hope is that Trump will do what Hillary nor Obama wouldn’t- help Ukraine defend itself and provide help to develop as an independent and free nation that can pursue prosperity for its people in peace. If he proves otherwise then I’ll gladly take up the fight.
        And please, most politicians and leaders fit the definition of sociopath by the standards from your source, many of which you haven’t a clue about since you have only seen the public side of the man, and btw Obama and Hillary, fit far more of those characteristics from their known actions and history.
        The US isn’t defined by one person and perhaps you don’t “get it” because you’re not American nor understand the concept fully of government “of the people, by the people and for the people” and I’m not saying that disrespectfully but as a matter of understanding that your perspective is quite different from mine. We don’t elect “dictators” and only those who want more government control, are inclined to want such leaders who are supposed to know everything and act without respect for the will of the people as represented by Congress, such as what Obama did and bragged about.
        The only ones in the US that have lost their senses are those who are dividing themselves by clinging to the divisive rhetoric and actions. The Soviet Union couldn’t have done a better job of sewing discord among Americans than the political machine that has been turned on its head, thanks to Americans standing up and doing what that political machine said couldn’t be done.

        1. Avatar Alex George says:

          “Elections have been stolen in America because of voter fraud ”

          They have? Which ones?

          Trump and his team seem unable to come up with anything. He did complain about people being registered to vote in two states, till somebody pointed out that this meant Tiffany Trump, Stephen Bannon and Steve Mnuchin.

          I have no idea why Trump even goes on about this – he won the election.

      2. Avatar туфтуф says:

        No one elected anyone. US pressies are appointed by the Deep State. The rest is a show.

        1. Avatar Alex George says:

          Ah yes, US presidents are appointed by the Deep State.

          Although you have been telling us on other threads that Trump was appointed courtesy of Putin and his hackers .

          Explain to us all how that works?

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I mix truth with lies, or rather, perceive truth on many different levels. Hence problems with unferstanding me. One has to be a pro to get what l mean. And pros do not write here. They read. Silently.

          2. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            You’re hilarious. But, it was good that you admit you’re a liar. I’d also take your post to mean you’re a professional liar, which is also an accurate admission.

          3. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Neurolinguist programmer. Nothing serious.

          4. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            Professional liar. All lying is serious.

          5. Avatar туфтуф says:

            You got me there. I have to come clean now. The more u read my comments, the more l program your mind. My aim is to confuse the inferiors, and those who know stuff to benefit from truths which are selfom explicitely layed out in my comments.

          6. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            You’re simply a liar with an overblown view of himself. Your comments are pretty useless for anything other than to demonstrate that you are a liar.

          7. Avatar туфтуф says:

            True. But l mix truth and lies. Only highly competent ppl can decypher my lingo. And l write here for them, to help them gain territorial integrity. I just use you for that purpose. Your opinions are irrelevant to me or to them.

          8. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            When you mix truth and lies, it’s all a lie.

          9. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Mixing things is called a mixture. Basic English. And u call urself quartermaster. Lol

          10. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            You have no idea what a Quartermaster is. A mix of truth and lies is a lie. That’s just basic English. You can put it in Russian if you like, it would still be a lie.

          11. Avatar туфтуф says:

            This is simply not true. Look up mixture def in any decent Englishndictionary.

          12. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            Sorry, but a lie is a lie in any dictionary. Even the truth can be used to lie. You are a liar.

          13. Avatar туфтуф says:

            And what is a mixture? Lolz

          14. Avatar туфтуф says:

            And what is a mixture?

          15. Avatar Eddy Verhaeghe says:

            You surely hold yourself in high esteem…

          16. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Not exactly professional. Just practising neurolinguistics.

          17. Avatar туфтуф says:

            You want urls that belong to the Deep State? Me giving them and you reading them would land both of us in Gitmo. You seem so desperate to visit Cuba? Better by a ticket as a tourist.

    2. Avatar Alex George says:

      Perhaps, but the Americans who will most have a problem with this are the hard right, and many of them have long been supporters of Russia anyway.

      This article is pretty mild compared to many in the US press. US presidents get criticised. A lot.

      The most important thing the author needs to grasp is that even if Trump is anti-Ukraine (which I doubt) he couldn’t do much about it anyway. Ukraine has relations on many levels with the US political scene.

      1. Avatar NickL says:

        Oh, Alex, as a lifelong American conservative I can assure you it is the American liberal establishment that has been long term supporters of Russia/Soviet Union, not the Am right. Trump is a populist, not part of the Am right. That darling of the liberals, Bernie Sanders, even honeymooned in the Soviet Union. (How he could visit the Soviet Union and still be a commie is beyond me. I visited in 1970 with my family and it turned me into a hard core capitalist.)
        I agree this article is mild criticism. Trump has been president for 6 days and has done nothing yet as prez regarding Euro relations. To criticize him before he has done anything shows that this “journalist” is not a journalist but a commentator.
        Re your last comment, the U.S. Constitution reserves foreign relations exclusively (except for ratifying treaties) to the prez. Senators McCain, Graham, Rubio, Cruz, etc can scream all they want, it won’t affect Trump at all. You are correct though, I don’t think Trump is anti-Ukraine. But he isn’t pro-Ukraine either. Yet. When Putin tries to screw the U.S. Trump will hit back hard. Ukraine hurt themselves in Trump’s eyes by voting to condemn Israel. That was a mistake. They should have abstained.

        1. Avatar туфтуф says:

          Russia andChina are the most capitalist countries in the world, with liberal capitalism ravaging thru all strata of society uncontrollably.

        2. Avatar Alex George says:

          I didn’t write “Am right”, I wrote hard right . Let me be clearer – I mean fanatical right wing extremists.

          And sure, keep telling yourself that Trump is going to somehow cut off sanctions. He will only do that if Congress supports him. Fortunately they seem to actually care about America, and about conservative values.

      2. Avatar туфтуф says:

        Irrespective of who supports Ukraine and why, Ukraine has been the biggest loser in this war so far. A coalition of “inferior races” (Poles, Ukrainians and Balts) can possibly destabilise Russia. It is naiveto think that “the free world” will take up arms to defend a banana republic anywhere in the world and risk a nuclear confrontation with a superpower which has enough nukes to destroy the whole (not just “free” ) world six times.

        1. Avatar Alex George says:

          Of course Ukraine has been the biggest loser – its people have been wantonly killed and its economy ravaged by Russian aggression , since 2014.

          Ukraine could have done a deal with Putin at any time, particularly if it had accepted Russia’s hegemony and maintenance of corruption. But the people wouldn’t accept that. Hence why Russia is now under sanctions.

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Its good that the aggression in Donbass has stopped (if u werent lying to me). Time to work on ppls welfare. I heard the rada raised water rates by 37%. I say Germany, as an EU leading economy, should foot the bill. My ukro friends say that the temperature of an average Kiev flat is 13 centigrade. Thats like living in the park in March. Where the duck is Germany? P threatens to cut off gas supplies to Germany. I think the EU should rely more on US energy, although it is several times as expensive. But we can still afford it. And if Ukraine cnt, Germany can pay.

          2. Avatar Alex George says:

            Aggression in Donbas has stopped? Russians are firing every day on Ukrainian civilians and soldiers. Ukrainians still die at a rate of three or four per week, due to Russian aggression.

            Lying is just a way of life to Russian trolls.

            And no, Germany doesn’t owe Ukraine anything – it didn’t cause Ukraine’s problems. Russia did, and that is why the Ukrainian people have turned against Russia.

          3. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Sorry l tot u said they re pullin out. Misunderstood you. In petrograd they dnt teach us goodly speaking Englishe.

          4. Avatar Alex George says:

            Yes, they are pulling out, in some places – this is widely reported but as usual, you had no idea about it. And the Ukrainians occupy those places.

            But regardless, the Russian military keep firing on Ukrainian territory every day. They kill Ukrainian civilians and soldiers on a regular basis, because that is the nature of the Kremlin regime.

          5. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Oh good. The most important thing is that the war will be finished soon even if the Republics are integrated into Russia. I say enough killing. Both Russia and Ukroland are penniless. They need to start rebuilding their countries instead of fighting each other. Russia would gladly return Crimea if ukroland could look after it well. And to fulfill that condition, they must become part of Russia.

          6. Avatar Eddy Verhaeghe says:

            Stop this bloody nonsense… You may or may not have ‘ukro’ friends, I also know quite a few Ukrainians and the way you depict Ukraine is not the country I know.

          7. Avatar туфтуф says:

            But of course. If Tibet was protesting against the internationally reognized Chinese occupation, rivers of blood wld flow.

          8. Avatar Alex George says:

            Who knows?

            The point which you are trying desperately to avoid is that Ukraine has been the biggest loser fomr this conflict, because its people have been wantonly killed and its economy ravaged by Russian aggression , since 2014.

            Ukraine could have done a deal with Putin at any time, particularly if it had accepted Russia’s hegemony and maintenance of corruption. But the people wouldn’t accept that. Hence why Russia now is now under sanctions (although how long the US sanctions last remains to be seen).

          9. Avatar туфтуф says:

            The point is that Donbass economy is practically non existent, citizens are losing lives on a dayly basis…..and all of it cus of maidan. Maidan is responsible for the loss of Crimea. Stupid.

  4. Avatar NickL says:

    Ukraine – Why should the U.S. support you? You’re owned by oligarchs, an oligarch is your president, the Rada is controlled by oligarchs, your country is as corrupt as Russia and you are too lazy to defend your country (example: you don’t have universal conscription.). You vote to censure the only democracy in the middle east while taking the side of animals who want to exterminate jews, danced in the streets when over 2,000 Americans were killed on 9/11/2001 and sided with Hitler in WW2. Are you proud of that vote? This “journalist” has probably never been to the U.S. but is an expert on U.S. politics. I watch 3-4 hours of political news every day and Trump is not constantly praising Putin or even close to it. Trump is simply saying that he will put the welfare of the people of the U.S. first, not the donor class and not the elites. If that harms other countries, too bad. I have lived in Michigan (home of the auto industry) for 59 years and have seen the harm globalization has done to average working Americans. Thank God we finally have a president who will “Put America first” and “Make America great again”.

    1. Avatar Alex George says:

      Why should the US support Ukraine? Gee I don’t know – perhaps because the rest of the free world does?

      “and you are too lazy to defend your country”

      LOL Yes, that rankles with you Putinistas, doesn’t it? Russia has to force many of its soldiers to fight in the Donbas, whereas all of Ukraine’s soldiers on the front line are contract soldiers, i.e. volunteers.

      “danced in the streets when over 2,000 Americans were killed on 9/11/2001 ”

      Really – when did this happen, Misha?

      “and sided with Hitler in WW2”

      Except it was Ukraine that defeated Hitler. But why let facts get in the way of a good story?

      1. Avatar NickL says:

        Italy, France, Hungary want sanctions to end. That is not supporting Ukraine. Are they free countries?
        When did Arabs dance on the streets? On 9/11/2001. CNN had reports from East Jerusalem. I watched.
        Also, I said Arabs sided with Hitler in WW2, not Ukraine. Read more carefully next time.
        You refer to me as a Putinista? Based on what? That I don’t support Ukraine? I don’t support aid to any corrupt country because most $ goes to the rulers. I think Ukraine should execute these oligarchs, none of whom built their empires honestly and some of whom are Russia supporters. Universal conscription would put 500,000 soldiers in the army in 2 years. Then kick the sh*t out of the DPR and LPR.
        You may want to hesitate before you jump to your next conclusion.

        1. Avatar туфтуф says:

          The aim of Ukrainian oligarchs is not to win the war. Their aim is, like Russias, to have a long and protracted conflict which lines the oligarchs’ pockets. You rightly noted that most of the foreign aid ended up in private hands. It is a financial, not a military operation.

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            This is not the oligarchs war. It is the war of the Ukrainian people, who refuse to submit to Russian oligarchs’ attempts to drag them back into slavery.

            “You rightly noted that most of the foreign aid ended up in private hands.”

            An utterly ignorant statement.

          2. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Sounds empty to me. Ppl this, ppl that. Like an elementary school spelling test.

          3. Avatar Alex George says:

            “Sounds empty to me. Ppl this, ppl that.”

            I am sure it does. The contempt of the Kremlin for “the people” is well known.

            Which is not surprising – the Russian people are taught to be servile, and not question authority, from a young age.

            But “the people” is why you lost in Eastern Ukraine. The longer in your arrogance it takes you to realise that, the better.

          4. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Ppl are canon fodder in ukroland. Fully fledged civilised democracy. Lol

        2. Avatar Alex George says:

          “Italy, France, Hungary want sanctions to end.”
          No, they don’t. The only one of those countries that has called for an end to sanctions is Hungary. And so that’s your reason for calling for an end to sanctions against Russia – because Hungary supports it?

          “Also, I said Arabs sided with Hitler in WW2, not Ukraine.”
          And how is that remotely relevant to the issue of sanctions against Russia now?

          “You refer to me as a Putinista? Based on what?”
          Based on your call to end sanctions against Russia, for no discernible reason. Its not difficult

          “I don’t support aid to any corrupt country because most $ goes to the rulers.”
          Then you demonstrate your ignorance about how aid has been rendered to Ukraine. Corruption is a sliding scale anyway – when did you convince yourself that the US is so squeaky clean?

          “I think Ukraine should execute these oligarchs, none of whom built their empires honestly and some of whom are Russia supporters.”
          Ah, execution for corruption. Right, and how are you going to accomplish that?

          “Universal conscription would put 500,000 soldiers in the army in 2 years. Then kick the sh*t out of the DPR and LPR.”
          And now you demonstrate your military incompetence as well. Thanks.

        3. Avatar Brent says:

          And “Drumpf” became a billionaire so honestly after at least 4 bankruptcies and how many lawsuits from people he refused to pay???

          My God, you are one hilariously clueless hypcrate!!!

      2. Avatar туфтуф says:

        The “free world” is comprised of US and EU. Waning powers. Big mouths, lots of empty words. While China silently prospers and Russia asserts its global inyerests. No matter how much we love Ukraine, we must admit she is at the periphery of the important political restructuring of the world.

        1. Avatar Alex George says:

          And now you can’t even do basic geography. No surprises there. You continually claim to know important people throughout Russia and other places, and to possess great stores of secret knowledge, and its all just an old man trying to big note himself.

          Nice attempt to equate Russia with China – the latter is a significant world power, the latter is a try-hard.

          And whoever suggested that Ukraine is anything but on the periphery of the big players like EU and China?

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            But its true.

          2. Avatar Brent says:

            Maybe in your delusional little World it is, but not in reality.

        2. Avatar Vasyl P. says:

          Russia can’t even fund Crimea with Syria and Donbas going on. What makes you think they can fund anything else with their current economy?

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Thats what worries me. A cangaroo court can proclaim that Syria belongs to ukroland and all top notch Russian weaponry too. It can do the same with Crimea, and Russia, being weak, will have to give all away to ukroland, in order to accept the rulings of the kangaroo. The world is ducked if that happens. Maybe the Chinese can take over? Or Mongolia? Anyway, Mongols are brothers by blood to ukros, and can fight off a posible Russian aggression against Crimea better. In 2 years of Russian occupation, not a single attempt was made to liberate Crimea. Maybe ukros do not deserve to have it?

          2. Avatar Alex George says:

            What a bizarre post – Vasyl asked what makes you think Rusia can fund anything with its current economy, and you go off on a rant about courts.

            And the funniest thing is that you tell us repeatedly in posts that Russia can ignore whatever laws it likes, then complain when others do the same. Sauce for the goose my friend.

          3. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Only courts can prevent Russia from taking territories. All they need is a mechanism to enforce their decisions. Am sure they ll findit. Lol

          4. Avatar Alex George says:

            Really? What court prevented Russia taking eastern Ukraine? None that I recall.

            But I do recall millions of people who were prepared to die, rather than accept Russian domination. And a weak Russian army that is incapable of overcoming people who will not bow to it.

          5. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Everyone here talks of death. Why not talk of life, stop the war, make babies not bombs like in my time? Blood thirsty bunch u r.

          6. Avatar Brent says:

            Simple solution to that “TOTO”, get those invading Russian troops out of Ukraine. There was no war before Putin sent them there.

          7. Avatar туфтуф says:

            U overestimate my influence. That l know ppl doesnt mean l have clout.

          8. Avatar Alex George says:

            Nor does it mean that you know anyone .

          9. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Oh….good then..am clean…

          10. Avatar Brent says:

            You’d better be more worried about the court order committing you to institutional care. Your posts are full of lies and delusions. I hope for the sake of your Russian stripper wife that she is smart enough to get you committed soon….

          11. Avatar туфтуф says:

            My lies are deliberate. They hide the truth which is a privilege, not a right.

          12. Avatar Alex George says:

            No they just reflect the fact that you are ignorant and have no sources.

          13. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Ok

        3. Avatar Forewarned says:

          China is on the decline or do you not read the news? I will say, our dear leader, Trumplethinskin, might make them great again.

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Temporarilly so. Lol

          2. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Markets fluctuate. I dnt worry abt China and Russia. They are the most resilient ppls on the planet. They can endure unimaginable hardships which wld break any nation except ukros. Ukros come close to them.

          3. Avatar Alex George says:

            Funny, in WWII the Belarusians and Ukrainians proved tougher than the Russians. And more recently, as we have seen, Russian soldiers are soft.

          4. Avatar туфтуф says:

            May be so, but due to its formidable nuclear power it instills fear internationally. And there are some outfits which are fairly good. I wld single out spetsnaz GRU, who single handedly annihilated the entire ukro air force using hand held rocket launchers. Ok, satellites helped a little, but negligibly.

          5. Avatar Brent says:

            So if the Russians annihilated the entire Ukrainian Air Force, then how could a Ukrainian jet have shot down MH17, which you earlier claimed?

          6. Avatar туфтуф says:

            One or two Romanian planes are left.

          7. Avatar Alex George says:

            LOL. Ukraine has about 200 combat aircraft, and they all date from before 2014. As usual, you don’t have a clue.

          8. Avatar туфтуф says:

            A little untruth?

          9. Avatar Alex George says:

            LOL The Spetznaz GRU cry when they are captured. And no, they didn’t shoot down the Ukrainian air force with hand held rocket launchers, nor even by ground attack, which was your earlier claim.

            Most Ukrainian aircraft losses were shot down by Russian Army Air defence.

          10. Avatar туфтуф says:

            True.

          11. Avatar Brent says:

            You may be right about Russians being resiliant and withstanding tremendous hardships. Take your Russian stripper wife as an example. She endures your senility and drooling and still hasn’t institutionalized you yet……YET, might be the operative word….

          12. Avatar туфтуф says:

            No reason for threats, especially when one cnt back them up. The whole this convo can be conducted in a civilised manner, with democratic values, which dnt only support pederasty, but also the different opinions.

          13. Avatar Alex George says:

            Putin’s well-known pederasty is not germane to this discussion . And nobody is threatening you, just pointing out that you know nothing and have no sources .

          14. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Ok.

    2. Avatar Alex George says:

      “Trump is simply saying that he will put the welfare of the people of the U.S. first, not the donor class and not the elites.”

      Good for him. What does that have to do with Ukraine?

      1. Avatar NickL says:

        It means Ukraine’s problems are not the U.S.’s problems. The U.S. has given how many millions in aid to Ukraine? What did we get? Nothing. That’s what it has to do to Ukraine. We’ll keep the $ and Ukraine can pay for their own defense. Poroshenko has $900 million he can contribute.

        1. Avatar Mephisto says:

          OK, then why are you spending your time on an internet forum about Ukraine, if you do not care?

          1. Avatar NickL says:

            I have interests in Ukraine, been there 5 times in the last 3 years. Read my reply to Alex George below. I’m posting because I am sick of the propaganda (Is that spelled correctly?) “journalists” like this one spew out. Also, Ukraine/Russia could be a flashpoint (along with India/Pakistan and those perennial favorites the middle east and N Korea) for WW3. I’m trying to stay educated about world events.
            I support Trump’s position to stop being “sugar daddy” and policeman for the rest of the world. Let the EU and other democracies in the world pull their own weight.
            Ukraine and the rest of the world need to understand the U.S. has its own problems to solve and doesn’t have the $ to solve theirs anymore.
            Is that unreasonable?

          2. Avatar Mephisto says:

            I do not see it as a propaganda. It is a sensible article articulating concerns about Trump. I have similar concerns. And I am certainly no propagandist, although I cannot prove it to you.
            I see Trump as danger to Europe, hence a potential enemy. I believe him to be a russian mole. All his actions prove this assumption so far. He is breaking up the whole Western alliance – NATO, EU, UN, transatlantic relations, NAFTA, US-Mexico relations. Do you really believe that this will make America stronger or better? He will weaken America from within and from without. Fuel hate within, isolate and create enemies without. He has an agenda and it seems like it is Putins agenda.
            http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21643189-ukraine-suffers-it-time-recognise-gravity-russian-threatand-counter

          3. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            The article spews leftist propaganda. The article does not reflect anything close to reality in the US.

          4. Avatar туфтуф says:

            The whole war with Russia is a propaganda matter, aimed at collecting funds from foreign gvts and line Ukrainian oligarchs’ pockets. The real war will start when (if) Poland decides, or is pushed to start a war with Russia. If it manages to “unfreeze” the US tanks stuck in the snow. My Russian friends are laughing at Poland.

          5. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            Sure. All that cargo 200 is just a figment of someone’s imagination. If Russia starts a war with Poland, then Russia is in very deep trouble. Putin, however, is not as stupid as you seem to think he is. He is an idiot, but even close to your level.
            Those Russian friends exist only in that infinite space between your ears.

          6. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

            RuSSians should be laughing at Putin and the joke that is ruSSia today.

          7. Avatar Alex George says:

            I can’t say how accurate it is, but there are many US news sites which say the same or things even more harsh. Criticising presidents seems to be an American past-time.

          8. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            The article reflects what is being said on hard left “news” sites.

          9. Avatar Alex George says:

            Sure, but not only on them. I agree that MSM don’t necessarily put them all together in one article like this, but you can find the individual points on BBC, Reuters, NYT and many others.

          10. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            You won’t find the bilge in this article in the conservative press. There are almost no conservative press organs in the US. Even sources that claim to be conservative, National Review and Weekly Standard, which are just two examples, have proven they are left of center.

          11. Avatar NickL says:

            You are entitled to your views but I disagree with them. Here in the U.S. (don’t know if you’re American) you would be far left.
            Trump a Russian mole? Russia couldn’t buy him, not enough $.
            Breaking up NATO? Only 5 countries are fulfilling their financial obligations. (1 is the U.S.) Why should the U.S. defend countries unwilling to spend money to defend themselves? Also, NATO didn’t help us after 9/11.
            Breaking up the EU? We’re not even a part of the EU. How can we be breaking it up? GB freely voted to leave. Are you saying they are a U.S. puppet?
            The UN? A total failure at preventing wars. There have been something like 100 major wars since WW2. The UN didn’t stop any of them. Instead there is massive corruption in the UN and UN “peacekeeping” troops in Africa rape the local women. You support that?
            NAFTA? I’m from the Detroit area, the heart of the auto industry. I can show you empty fields where there used to be auto assembly plants employing high wage workers. Those factories are now in Mexico. My father owned factories making parts for new cars. Gone. NAFTA has meant the loss of millions of middle class manufacturing jobs with a huge social cost. Good riddance to NAFTA.
            Fueling hate? That started with Hillary Clinton in the 1990s attacking Bill Clinton’s female conquests when they went public. The “politics of personal destruction” was a phrase invented to describe’ the Clintons’ methods. Trump is just the first to hit back. Good for him.
            Yes, I think Trump’s policies will make the U.S. stronger and better.

          12. Avatar Mephisto says:

            I am not an American, I come from Czech Republic. I stayed in the US for about 1 year in 2001 in Boston, so I have some experience/insight into US culture. You are wrong on many things, for example “Also, NATO didn’t help us after 9/11”. Just one example
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Armed_Forces_casualties_in_Afghanistan
            Czech Republic also sent some soldiers to Iraq. And there were many other countries.
            Another thing “Breaking up the EU?” Trump already nominated Ted Mallach as an ambassador to EU and this Mallach already spreads stuff like the brexit was great, the EU will break up, the euro (currency) will end. Can you imagine a European country sending an ambassador to US who would publicly encourage Calexit? Why should the Californians pay for the rest of the US? If they break away, they would be much better of, etc.
            And GB voted freely to leave? GB has been the same victim of Russian intervention, subversion and information warfare.
            You seem naive. You are not even aware of the Russian threat yet. I was borne under communism, my country has been victim of russian propaganda and russian meddling in elections and politics since at least 10 years. I recognize a russian troll when I see one. And Trump is one. He is working exactly in synchrony with russian propaganda, he is following russian agenda, all the russian trolls on the web love him. That alone should be a concern to you.

          13. Avatar Alex George says:

            “Here in the U.S. (don’t know if you’re American) you would be far left.”

            Oh please. Trump is widely criticised in the USA. His approval ratings on inauguration were some of the lowest ever. Its not being “far left” to crticise him. What you are really saying is that you are an extremist of the right.

          14. Avatar туфтуф says:

            You surely cnt base ur concerns abt Trump on beliefs. Your gnoseology then remains on a level of a religious tractate.

          15. Avatar CanRus says:

            Agree with nearly everything you said – Trump is an enemy to the entire democratic world, and by extension all developing nations and those aspiring to democracy. This includes the USA, who he will probably do more damage to than Bush Jr. – unless Congress rallies against him, which seems likely. He’s an expert at making enemies, even within his own party. I very much doubt he’s a Kremlin mole though – too obvious. I think it’s far more likely he’s just a self-centered cretin who wanted to be President to boost his already overblown ego. His ‘policies’ are a reflection of his own greed and insatiable need for attention.

            But the good news is – the USA is a democracy. Trump can be removed in 4 years, if he’s not impeached or jailed before that.

          16. Avatar Andrew Chmil says:

            Hmm… not a “mole” —- more like CORRUPT & GREEDY …. there IS a difference there ol’ boy! 🙂

            For more “on” Trump & Co …. see my FB.
            More sh*t comes out.

            https://www.facebook.com/andrew.chmilewsky

        2. Avatar туфтуф says:

          True. Most US aid has ended up lining the pockets of the oligarchs. The whole “attacked by Russia” situation was contrived as a financial, not a military operation. Although, to be fair, Poroshenko does own a weapons factory and the longer and bloodier the war is, the richer he will get. A long, protracted war is certainly in his interest.

          1. Avatar NickL says:

            Troll, go away.

          2. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Ok. Gone.

          3. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

            Stay gone.

          4. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Ok

        3. Avatar Alex George says:

          “The U.S. has given how many millions in aid to Ukraine? What did we get? Nothing.”

          You didn’t expect to “get” anything, so stop creating a mythical complaint. That makes as much sense as complaining that you didn;t get anything back for money spent on your military.

          Of course what you really got for the small amount of money you contributed is that Ukrainian men and women shed THEIR blood to stop Putin’s expansionism, while you lived a life of ease.

          And yes, Ukraine’s problems are the US’s problems, that’s why you contributed. Most Americans are smart enough and educated enough to see that, the others try to overturn the sanctions against Russia on internet forums.

    3. Avatar Mephisto says:

      “make America great again” – empty slogan that Trump stole from Reagan. I wonder what your idea of “great America” is?
      America has been great and still is great. What made America great were its commitment to democracy, to universal human rights, to freedom, to science and discovery. And America has been a beacon of democracy and inspiration for the world at least since WW2. It had a vision for the world – the value of human rights everywhere, and it was able to defend its values when necessary. It created organization like the UN, NATO, EU to promote peace and insure world stability.
      Nowadays, America is losing the vision and the values that made it great. Under Trump, it is dismantling the same organizations, that it once founded (UN, NATO, EU). It is turning to senseless isolationism. It is an illusion that you can stop globalization.
      Let us hope that nightmare called Trump will be only a brief episode of darknesss and will serve as a catalyst, to wake America up, to remind it of its true values.

      1. Avatar NickL says:

        The U.S. created the EU? Really? Go study history.

        1. Avatar Mephisto says:

          After the WW2, the US certainly supported it. Why do you think the US helped Europe with the Marshall plan? The EU insured stability and prosperity in Europe since WW2.

          1. Avatar NickL says:

            The EU was formed on Nov 1, 1993, 48 years after WW2. How could the EU support stability + prosperity since WW2?
            Also, the EU was formed to compete with the U.S. as an equal in trade. To think the U.S. supported the creation of a rival stronger than its constituent parts is ridiculous.

          2. Avatar NickL says:

            Sorry, don’t do links. Can’t speak for yourself?

          3. Avatar Mephisto says:

            “Also, the EU was formed to compete with the U.S. as an equal in trade.
            To think the U.S. supported the creation of a rival stronger than its
            constituent parts is ridiculous.”

            the research paper clearly contradicts you views about the role of US in european integration. The european integration began after ww2, only it was not called EU, and it was helped and supported by the US.

          4. Avatar Alex George says:

            Ah, nice piece of nit-picking.

      2. Avatar туфтуф says:

        The financial elites see Russia and China as global powers and simply chose a different strategy. Only the most naive ppl in the world believe that US presidents are chosen by US citizens. They are simply appointed by Deep State. The rest is a well coreographed show.

        1. Avatar Alex George says:

          Sorry, but nobody sees Russia as “a global power” anymore. Its economy is a basket case – it is little more than a seller of oil and gas. Just a shadow of the former USSR

          Putin tried to make up for this by using the remains of the once great Soviet war machine to engage in some foreign ventures, in order to distract his people from issues at home. All he has succeeded in doing is putting the weakness of Russia’s military on display: His air force is committed to Syria but has little influence there with most of the real work done by the Iranians; his Navy clanks and wheezes from baltic to med in embarrassing fashion, and his Army is flat out just trying to hold Crimea and a small sliver of eastern Donbas.

          The Russian Army in particular last mounted an offensive in January 2015, and has been unable to do anything since. It just sits in Donbas and Ukraine, fires off lots of ammunition at the Ukrainians, and loses more men than they do, which Putin desperately tries to cover up at home.

          1. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

            Agreed, ruSSia is no sort of global power. Its footprint needs to be reduced further by economic and military decline. In past times Britain, France, Sweden, Poland, Lithuania, Japan, Prussia, and others were militarily equal or superior to the RuSSkiys. That balance needs to be restored.

            One example would be if ruSSia needed an IMF bailout in a future financial crisis like what happened in 1998, the release of funds should be tied to reductions in nuclear warheads and implementation of democratic reforms. RuSSia has menaced its neighbors for long enough.

          2. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Go have a sandwich. I told u a million times that state of economy in rusland is not relevant when it comes to waging wars. But u dnt listen. Ruskie ate dead Germans in Stalingrad.

          3. Avatar Alex George says:

            Sorry, but that was the old days of the USSR – when Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Georgia, Kazakhs, Armenians and many other fought together (and the stats say the Ukrainians and Belarusians fought harder than the Russians).

            Now we are talking about modern Russia – soft, fascist, hesitant.

            Hence why the Russian army failed in the Donbas – not enough courage.

          4. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            The state of an economy is very important when waging war. It matters not how many times you say it, it doesn’t make it one iota less a fact.

          5. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Russia and China are exceptions. Today the Russian defence minister announced that russia is ready to repell a collective West’s aggression coming from ukrainian territory. My opinion: fear mongering, or a pretext for a fully fledged war with ukraine. We might soon see what a real russian aggression looks like, but it all depends if Poland will show up on the battlefield. Ukros are useless as warriors.

          6. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            Ukrainians are so useless they stopped the Russian in the Donbas.

            The only aggression that will take place anywhere around European Russia will be from Russia, as all of it has been from 2014 to date. The thing stopping Putin now is he doesn’t have the resources for full scale aggression. As it is, he’s being forced to cut back on what he has done so far, and can’t afford to hold what he has stolen.

            Russia and China are no more exceptions to such things than they are not subject to gravity. But, you can hold onto your delusions.

          7. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Donbass may be controlled fully by ukros, but what abt crimea? I hear they control it too. The only snag is one cnt enter crimea without russian visa. Things dnt make sense.

          8. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            Things never make sense to a lying troll.

          9. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I support the territorial integrity of Ukraine, Russia, Crimea and Tibet. I even learned how to greet ukroultras: ХЕРоям сала!

          10. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            Also a lie. Like everything else you post. Crimea is Ukraine, as is the occupied Donbas. Stolen goods will be returned.

          11. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Won back, you mean. By “force”. Lolz. Lets change the tune a bit. Russia helping a Libyan general in his fight against the intl recognised Gvt of national unity. Should the general win, Libya will have a general, instead of colonel, for president. Further, CIA openly accuses the Kremlin of having helped Trump win the election. If this is true, this is the highest ever KGB level of penetration in history. I hope CIA got it wrong and democracy triumphed.

            http://www.latimes.com/#nt=mastheadnavbar

          12. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            They will vacated by Russia because she can’t afford them. They supported themselves under Kyiv. Moscow has to support them since they were stolen.

            Only the left has taken the myth about Russia hacking US elections seriously.

          13. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Maybe. Russia has just decided to help Libya.. Ukroland, Pridnestrovije, Crimea, Donbass, Syria….create an impression they have spread themselves a little too thinly as they dnt have money. But who will support libya if ruskie pulled out? Linyan oil must belong to simeone, as does Crimea. It wld be extremely irresponsible to hand the largest land concentration of nuclear weapons to an unstable ukraine.

          14. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            Putin is spreading himself to thin money wise, material wise and personnel wise. Putin is simply wrecking his country along with looting it.

          15. Avatar туфтуф says:

            But if the said general wins, maybe he can improve Russian economy? Gaddafi was very rich, he financed EU presidential campaigns, every married couple received flats free of charge plus an amount of money, they had free education and top notch health care etc. Maybe P is counting on the general’s money? If so, P is doing the right thing from an economic point of view. Helping Assad prevented energy deversification of the EU, which cemented its dependence on Russia. Not everything that seems black is black essentially.

          16. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Russia has just afforded to supply a Libyan general against the internationally recognised Gvt of national unity. Maybe it wants to up its economy by laying its hands on Libyan oil? And help the ppl after NATO left it in a mess. On a positive note, if the general wins, that wld curb the refugee influx into EU, thus salvaging it from the terrorist hordes.

          17. Avatar туфтуф says:

            And Kiev can afford it? Dnt u see that the putsch gvt trots the gllobebegging for money. That the average temperature of a flat in Kiev is 13 centigrade. Thats like bums sleeping rough in a London park in March…..but China can definitely afford it. The problem is Chinas human rights record.

          18. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I do support. Thats why l write here. But have from time to time to manipulate a bit to make it interesting. No hard feelings, mate?

        2. Avatar Alex George says:

          “Only the most naive ppl in the world believe that US presidents are chosen by US citizens. They are simply appointed by Deep State.”

          Funny – in a series of posts on other threads, you have assured us all that Putin and his FSB caused the election of Trump, by hacking US electoral systems.

          Which is it?

          1. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

            ” Deep State ” is tinfoil Zero Hedge kremtoid nonsense.

    4. Avatar Murf says:

      you want universal conscription?
      Then move your family to a country that has it.
      I prefer our all volunteer military.
      The only reason to have conscription is there is a lack of volunteers to fill the ranks.
      Which sounds like laziness to me.
      Everything else applies to Russia only more so.
      Ukraine is fighting their corruption, Russians are proud of theirs.

      1. Avatar туфтуф says:

        Universal conscription is necessary for a country at war. Russia does not need it cus it hasnt been attacked yet, save a granny who was killed by Ukrainian shelling of Russian mainland at the beginning of the war. No other attempts have been made to ward off Russian attacks. Ukraine does appear a little lazy when it comes to defending its territory. No attacks on Crimea EVER took place. It seems that Ukraine seems someone else to fight its wars, given the fact that it has serious territorial appetite towards Russias mainland.

        1. Avatar NickL says:

          Russian troll, pretty subtle about it though. I mean really, do you think anyone other than a Russian would believe Ukraine wants Russian territory?
          As far as warding off Russian attacks, the Ukrainian army is doing that about 50 times a day in the Donbass. Glad you admitted that Crimea is Ukrainian territory. Uh oh, the KGB is knocking on your door. Off to the gulag for you.

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I always claimed that at this momnt in time, Crimea is de facto Russian (Russia controlsthe territory, both militarily and economically), but de iure it is still Ukrainian. Until a bunch of suits sit at a table and say otherwise. And put signatures on the doc. But in the case of Russia, recognition is unnecessary because the takeover is supported by credible force. I alwys drew parallels with Tibet, although in Crimea only 1 death was recorded during the referendum. As wanting part of Russia proper is concerned, my ultras friends say that Rostov on the Don, Niznij Novgorod and North Caucasus are historical Ukrainian lands and they are ready to die for them. Am not sure how they came to this conclusion and land grabbing apetites.

          2. Avatar Alex George says:

            Sure its credible force – until it isn’t. Russia probably has about a year that it can maintain its forces there.

          3. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Thats why l say wait. Tibet has been waiting 70 yrs now for the septic tanks (cockney rhyme for Yanks) to liberate them from the oppressive communist regime. So can Crimea. China has much worse human rights record than Russia. From that point of view, l think we should leave Crimea to the Russians, and concentrate on the liberation of Tibet, although it is internationally recognised Chinese sovereign territory. My ex wife was smuggling bibles to China as part of intel services op to destabilize it.

          4. Avatar Alex George says:

            Exactly – just wait a year.

          5. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Or 70? Tibet has been under internationally recognised foreign occupation and China has a worse human rights abuse record than Russia. I think we should turn our attention to Tibet and leave Russia to take what it wants. Any resistance to Russia can have serious consequences for the world. That is precisely why theres NO serious resistance against the takeover of Crimea, even from ukro side.

          6. Avatar Alex George says:

            No, about a year. Russia is a weak nation, with an economy going steadily downwards (owing mainly to Kremlin mismanagement I should add).

            Its occupation of Crimea is costing it a lot of money, it has to engage in constant repression as it does not have popular support from the Crimean people, and it cannot provide even basic utilities on a constant basis because it never captured a land bridge to the peninsula.

          7. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Ok. But how can Russia control the Med if it must hand Crimea over to the ukros? Ukros themselves are poor. Better hand it over to comrade Xi? He is rich and can turn Crimea into a prosperous region of China.

          8. Avatar Alex George says:

            Since Russia is not controlling the Med now, why does that matter? ;o)

            China is indeed supporting Ukraine. And it will get new territory, but its eyes are turned much closer to its borders than Ukraine…

          9. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Oh good. I like that China gets ukroland. At least, they ll learn to work instead of going around the world begging for money.

          10. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            Russia will never control the med. The Soviet Union never controlled it either.

          11. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Ok. Stupidvdoes as stupid goes. What cn l do?

          12. Avatar туфтуф says:

            But it does. It has the most long and medium range precision rocket systems in Crimea and Syria. Libya to join soon, probably. The best word to describe the situation is control. I mean l know it is offensive language, but normal in military circles.

          13. Avatar Eddy Verhaeghe says:

            Military speaking Russia does not need the Crimea. It has hundreds of km of shore that are much better defensible than the Crimea. So having the Crimea on top of that doesn’t mean anything at all military speaking.

          14. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Breaking news: Ukrainian military has lost over 100 men in one day during fighting on all fronts. 25 ukrosoldiers died when an ammo dump exploded. 35 died at the hands of the Right sector for refusing to fight, i.e retreating from a DPR army onslaught.

          15. Avatar туфтуф says:

            But Russia disagrees with u and we cnt force to. Thats why l suggest we go to sleep.

          16. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Russkie disagree. They THINK they need it. If you disagree, try to write to GRU at Horoshenskoe shosse, Moscow, and explain your case. They may listen to you.

          17. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Wow l really talk too much. Maybe its all down to all that caviar and Crimean bubbly wine, and old age. From now on, no classified info, l swear.

          18. Avatar Alex George says:

            That’s fine, since you;ve never given us any before this. ;o)

          19. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Are u saying am being too careful? My friends disagree. They tease me saying they should hang a medal on my chest and then hang me with it. Lol

          20. Avatar Alex George says:

            No, I am simply saying that you have never given us any serious information of any kind. Once you claimed to know a great fact about Graham Philips being in London, until I pointed out that it was in several newspapers days before that.

            You are just an old windbag pretending to know things, in order to big note yourself.

          21. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Oh, wasnt aware it was in newspapers. Sorry. Whose whereabouts are u interested in? Dejan’s?

          22. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Tibet? 70 yrs and at least as many to come. On the other hand, ukros gave Crimea away and hence dnt deserve it. They havent fired a shot at spetsnaz GRU. Instead, they re now working for Russian navy. A merry bunch.

          23. Avatar Alex George says:

            Ah now, you need to actually read something about Ukraine instead of just blowing wind. A number of Spetznaz GRU have been captured in Ukraine, and at least two lots of them cried when caught.

            Your tough boys are just like anyone else, and not all that well trained. Putin will have to get better sabotage teams if he wants to make a difference.

          24. Avatar туфтуф says:

            They have been exchanged for a russian agent posing as nadia.

          25. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            They didn’t give it away. They simply didn’t turn it into a war zone as Russians did in Donbas.

          26. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Oh man you havent seen the pics. Tibet was conquered by brute force. Chinese human rights record at the time of invasion was very low. Now its slightly higher, but still worse than Russias. This is why l firmly believe its better that russia rules crimea than giving it to the Chinese.

          27. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            I was talking about Ukraine, you talk about Tibet, which is irrelevant. No one is giving Crimea to the Chinese. It will come back to Ukraine because Putin is being crushed economically.

          28. Avatar туфтуф says:

            To the contrary. Every war if aggression is equally relevant.

          29. Avatar Eddy Verhaeghe says:

            Stick to the subject please. In any moderated discussion you would simply be sanctioned and as you seem very stubborn you would in the end being thrown out.

          30. Avatar туфтуф says:

            How do l do that?

          31. Avatar туфтуф says:

            But Chinese wld take better care of Crimea. Ukraine is broke and cnt afford even to fire a bullet Crimean way, let alone to control the largest concentration of most advanced weapons and the entire Russsian Black sea fleet. It is simply not feasable to give it back to Ukraine.

          32. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Crushed by his pal Don? Lolz

          33. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I know. It was stolen. The army’s function is to prevent stealing of its country’s property. I say lets those worthy have Crimea, be it Chinese or septic tanks. But how to attack an area with the highest concentration of nuclear weapons thebworld has ever seen? Russians will probably control Libya as well. Bad news.

        2. Avatar Alex George says:

          Conscription is certainly necessary for Russia if it wants to maintain its war in the Donbas. Not entirely of course – at last report about 50% of its troops on the frontline are on contract and the rest conscripts.

          Ukraine now only uses contract soldiers on the front line.

          1. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

            I read somewhere that ruSSia can barely train 10,000 new conscripts per year for its army.

          2. Avatar туфтуф says:

            But aint Russia withdrawing already? U seem to be like me. Lots of lies mixed with very little truth.

          3. Avatar Alex George says:

            Even if you had that correct, how does it contradict what I wrote? Tying yourself in knots again, old man.

          4. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I tot if an army withdrew, it cannot further damage the country it withdrew from. But u r right. Russia has systems which can wreak havock 10000 miles away, let alone 20. Which means its shooting from its own territory. Without ukro response. To my knowledge, from the begginning of the war, ukros shot a handful of missiles on the aggressors territory, killing an old lady in the process. Useless. They deserve to lose Crimea.

          5. Avatar Alex George says:

            Oh I see – so now you are telling us that Russia has been firing long-range missiles from Russia on to Ukrainian territory, is that correct? When did this happen?

            And you also tell us that Ukraine has fired long range missiles onto Russian territory. When did this happen?

            ;o)

          6. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I know nothing abt it. Long range missiles, as the name says, are for long distances. They wld damage Russia proper if fired short range, l assume.

          7. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Today the russian defence sec announced russia is ready to repell the cillective West’s aggression coming from ukro territory. Maybe we will have a chance to see what a real russian agressuon looks like. But it depends on whether Poland will appear on the battle field.

          8. Avatar Alex George says:

            How interesting. What does Poland have to do with it?

            Are you suggesting Russia will go to war with Poland, and that Polish soldiers will be easy to defeat?

          9. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Yes. Thats the Kenyan’s plan. US tanks are not stuck in the snows of Poland for show. But tomorrow drumpf is holding talks with KGB and we ll see if he will authorise the Kenyan’s decision.

          10. Avatar Brent says:

            Maybe you should sign up for the defence of your beloved Russia? You’d make good cannon fodder and I’m sure Putin will gladly ship your cremated remains to your Russian stripper wife in a coffee can…

          11. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I hate wars even when they are necessary. Thats why l am retired.

          12. Avatar Alex George says:

            LOL You aren’t retired from anything to do with war . You are just an old windbag wishing he was important.

          13. Avatar туфтуф says:

            U r right. I have nothing to do with any war. All l wanted to say is l have plenty of spare time and enough money to troll you from Tailand.

          14. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Railway.

        3. Avatar Murf says:

          And yet Russia Still has it.

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Of course. That is why Russia is invincible in a conventional war, and its nuclear threat creates fear of nuclear confrontation.

          2. Avatar Alex George says:

            LOL If its invincible in a conventional war it had better try winning some for a change. ;o)

          3. Avatar туфтуф says:

            The fear culture that the West is grippling with is the main reason why Russia is invincible. During the reign of the Pharaoh from Kenya, P could have taken half of the known world with Samantha shouting in helpless anger at Vitaliy. But he didnt. I dnt know why, but l do know that KGB never does things without good solid reason.

          4. Avatar Quartermaster says:

            There is no “fear culture” in the west. Ther might be in that infinite space between your ears, but that’s about the only place it exists.

          5. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I read British news. Often, almost every day l envounter the fear word. Neurilinguistics.

          6. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Every other word in British news is fear. From fear, out of fear, fearing…l dnt know how things are where u live, Master, but we are being neurolinguistically programmed in Britain.

          7. Avatar Murf says:

            It’s definitely not it’s 1 year conscripts.
            That is barely enough tie to teach a privet to tie his shoes.

          8. Avatar туфтуф says:

            But ruskie have also a proffy army. There are currently 350.000 proffies on the western border. Of course, l am aware they have no intention of using them, they ll use advanced tactical nukes mid range and get more sanctions for their misbehaviour.

          9. Avatar Murf says:

            No they use NUCs they’ll get NUCs in return. Not to mention the prevailing westerly winds will blanket Russia in fallout.

            They may have 350k but their logistics stinks.
            Did you know they only have 300 odd Mig-29s?
            Many of which are not operational? That means the U.S. Has almost as many stealth fighters as Russia has 70s gen fighters.
            Did you know their engines require an over haul every 400 hours of operation. That’s about 200 short missions. The western engines are rated for 1800.
            The Russian military is all teeth and no tail.

          10. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Omg. As Jackie Chan says, but you wont LISTEN! LOL

          11. Avatar Murf says:

            Dude do you seriously think that ANYTHING has changed about MAD?
            Even Britain and France separately have the means to devastate Russia.
            Germany has access to gravity NUCs.
            Just ONE B-1 bomber can launch 30 cruise missiles with a warhead each.
            That’s enough to turn EVERY Russian city into a Chernobyl exclusion zone and zero out the Russian economy completely.
            So you have to get them ALL.
            Then there is the missiles with three warheads each.
            Then the SSBNs.
            Then the 10 carriers
            Then the 22 cruisers.
            And most the the destroyers all of which are capable of carrying NUCs, plus what ever is laying around like the NUCs in Incerlik, Turkey
            Christ! About once a year one of you idiot Trolls start shooting your fool mouths off about Russia NUCing everybody. As Russia was the only one who has any.
            What do you think the world is just going to cringe in terror of Russia’s terrible magnificences?
            Grow up.

          12. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Ridiculous.

        4. Avatar Brent says:

          I’m curious if you’re really this clueless, or just this much of a liar? Of course Russian as conscritpion!!!

          https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russian-federation/2015-11-09/russians-dodge-bullet

          http://www.ibtimes.com/young-russians-dodge-draft-more-more-avoid-risk-fighting-ukraine-1804246

          How do you expect anyone to believe anything you claim when you lie this blatantly?

    5. Avatar Brent says:

      I take it your “head trauma” came from an auto plant accident?

      If you were a bit less clueless, you would be aware that around the turn of the 20th century, the U.S. was run by its own set of “oligarchs”, also known as “robber barons”. Yet no one gave up on the U.S. and it evolved into a democratic society where its own citizens were allowed to do silly things like elect a multi bankruptcy, racist, bigoted womanizing tv stooge as its President. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/501b7bbd0bb05d72441f5c1aa496f8e70b0fa4120454896fa756e9a1cf7f79b2.jpg

      Tell you what “Skippy”, since you weren’t paying attention in class in the 1960’s, maybe instead you should go into your closet and check how much of your “Drumpf” wardrobe was made in China, or Bangladesh, or Turkey, or Mexico….yes, you just believed the American self proclaimed multi billionaire was going to bring back manufacturing to the U.S. when so many of the products with his own name on them were actually manufactured in a different country!!!

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/26/how-many-trump-products-were-made-overseas-heres-the-complete-list/?utm_term=.d9065a48d0ee

      Congratulations, you’ve been “Drumpfed”….I hope when he sells you the Brooklyn Bridge, you’re dumb enough to buy it too…..

  5. Avatar туфтуф says:

    No such article, no matter how true or otherwise, should appear in Ukrainian press. After the departure of Obama and Hillary’s inability to win the election, Ukraine is desperate for allies. Europe will follow the US lead no matter what, so an article which denigrates its main ally can put strain on Ukro US relations, given the fact that Trump seems to be taking attacks on himself too personally. Ukrainian press shld praise the US president no matter what his perceived shortfalls are, in the hope to drive a wedge between P and Trump, who, as the article rightly claims, has praised Putin a little too much. At least in public.

    1. Avatar Mephisto says:

      “Europe will follow the US lead no matter ”

      I doubt this. Yes, we will have some Trump bootlickers such as Farage, Le Pen. The same people who are Putin bootlickers.

      And do you seriously think, that Ukraine can make an ally out of a man, who is clearly showing every symptom of being a Russian mole? Trump wanted to lift Russian sanctions even before he became president. Trump wanted to give Crimea to Russia even before he became president. Do you really believe these are some personal idiosyncracies of his? No, in all probability, he is a Russian mole. He will never be an Ukrainian ally, because he already is an ally to Putin.

      1. Avatar туфтуф says:

        Things often move fast in the world of politics and nothing can be taken for granted. Maybe he simply wants to accept realia and work for America, instead for banana republics world wide. In which case, he is a pragmatist and will be good for his ppl. One of the reasons USSR collapsed was that they were supporting every Tom, Dick and Harry who wld proclaim themselves communist. Maybe Trump knows this.

        1. Avatar Alex George says:

          And now how would he do that?

          By unilaterally lifting sanctions against Russia perhaps?

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Russia today officially said it does not want sanctions lifted. The decision comes from the gvt.

      2. Avatar туфтуф says:

        EU is US occupied territory. Both financially and militarily. It cannot do othewise, even if it wanted to.

        1. Avatar Alex George says:

          Right, so… you have told us that Putin and his hackers put Trump in power, or possibly that “Dark State” did it, and now you are telling us that the USA occupies the EU, both militarily and financially.

          Funny, last time I looked the US had about 30,000 soldiers in EU. That’s a pretty miserably small occupation.

          But do go on, this is getting very entertaining!

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            Yes, 8 people died, and the FSB doctored youtube tapes to make it seem that every one of them were civilians.

            What an excellent way of distracting from the thousands killed by Russian army and agents in eastern Ukraine.

          2. Avatar туфтуф says:

            The woman was definitely a civilian. No matter how many ppl die, it is a crime against humanity to bomb densely populated areas. I dnt think the illegal ukro gvt will be held responsible for it seems a big war is coming their way. If l was them, l would take the money and run the Carribbean way.

          3. Avatar Alex George says:

            Of course – all the people in the Kremlin videos were civilians, but with a couple of exceptions they weren’t injured in that rocket attack.

            Russian special forces tried to raise insurrection throughout eastern Ukraine, and they began the process of killing a lot of Ukrainians

          4. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Its ukros killing ukros. With Russias and Western assistance.

          5. Avatar Alex George says:

            Except for the fact that many of the teams working throughout eastern Ukraine at this time were Russian military, as were the leaders of the “separatist” movement.

            You forgot to check your facts, silly man – it was only months after this incident that the Russian military leaders of the “separatists” like Bolotov and Borodai were replaced with Ukrainian-born figureheads .

          6. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Am glad u put separatists in inverted commas. They are no separatists at all. They want the WHOLE of ukroland to belong to the Russian sphere of interests. Separatists are those who want only part of a whole.

          7. Avatar rgb says:

            Out of Putin’s mouth: We will hide behind the women and children, then see what they will do.

          8. Avatar туфтуф says:

            True that EU countries have all the insignia of sovereign states. But the decisions are made in Brussels by unelected beaurocrats. Hence zero sovereignty.

          9. Avatar Alex George says:

            Right… The great illuminati in Brussels, I get it. You should try visiting the EU some time. Not quite the great Mordor of your imagination. ;o)

          10. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I used to live in the EU before we voted it out. One of the main arguments of the anti eu movement was exactly that. Lack of democracy. Unelected officials.

          11. Avatar MichaelA says:

            Britain is still in the eu dumbass

          12. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Creeping out. We voted the EU out. It was called “Brexit” on cnn. A short form or a fusion of the words Britain and exit. We re just sorting out the technicalities….

          13. Avatar MichaelA says:

            The vote was advisory only. You don’t even start to leave unless your PM triggers Article 50. And your courts have said she can’t do that until parliament agrees.
            so you are still in the EU

          14. Avatar туфтуф says:

            If the house of perverts blocks the decision of the ppl, it will be a huge blow to the oldest demoNcracy in the world. Unacceptable.

          15. Avatar Alex George says:

            LOL. You clearly know nothing about Britain.

          16. Avatar туфтуф says:

            And now l am supposed to give u my post code? Ask my milkman. Lolz

          17. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Note; not a single bomb was dropped on the internationally recognised agressor’s territory. Draw conclusions if ur able to.

          18. Avatar Alex George says:

            Ah changing the subject, as usual. I simply pointed out that in many threads on EP you have assured us that Putin and his hackers put Trump in power.

            In others you tell us that Trump wasn’t elected by the people, but put in power by “Dark State”. Now you add that the USA occupies the EU, both militarily and financially.

            Uh-huh….

          19. Avatar туфтуф says:

            That was an aside.

          20. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I mix truth with lies. Thus l “camuflage” the truth.

          21. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Its called neurolinguistic programming. Just practising what l learned a long time ago.

    2. Avatar Vasyl P. says:

      Europe won’t entirely follow Trump. Some fear his policies.

      Bush and Obama both promised good relationships with Russia, and we see how that went? When that happens with two presidents with very different policies you should look at your president who ruled for 18 years, not two men who did 8 each.

      1. Avatar туфтуф says:

        By Europe you mean EU presumably. EU has zero sovereignty, except for Britain.

        1. Avatar Alex George says:

          EU doesn’t have sovereignty? Ah that’s right, you keep telling us that it is controlled by the USA. ;o)

      2. Avatar туфтуф says:

        But then again, Britain aint EU. It withdrew to make EU “stronger”. Lolz

        1. Avatar Alex George says:

          Actually Britain still is in the EU. You really don’t know your facts, do you?

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I know it is. But its an irreversable process of getting out. We voted and got what we wanted by a narrow margin.

          2. Avatar Alex George says:

            Article 50 has not been triggered yet, and won’t be until parliament gives its approval.

          3. Avatar туфтуф says:

            We left. Done deal. Someone here said we thus made eu stronger. Thats good if eu is stronger without us. Time not to pay huge salaries to useless unelected brussels sprouts.

          4. Avatar MichaelA says:

            You haven’t left.

          5. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Oh havent l? Sorry.

          6. Avatar Murf says:

            He doesn’t do facts.
            They get in the way of the narrative.

  6. Avatar Quartermaster says:

    This article does not reflect reality in the US.

  7. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

    “Kseniya Kirillova is a Russian journalist that focuses on analyzing Russian society, political processes in modern Russia and the Russian-Ukrainian conflict.”

    Fine, and so it would behoove her to write on the above subjects, rather than making a fool out of herself by penning nonsense about political processes in the modern US, of which she obviously and flagrantly has no first clue.

    What we observe here is a regurgitation of the collective “consensus opinion” developed by a number of Russian “opposition” and some Ukrainian pundits. It appears as though the narrative has been first formulated by a few Russian emigres now living in the US and writing routinely for such outlets as grani.ru and kasparov.ru (which sort of gives them an aura of being “in the know”), to which the rest – apparently, including Ksenia – merely defer.

    I’ve been following the Trump-related articles penned by those “originators” since before Trump became the nominee. It’s quickly become incandescently clear that all of them, as far as American politics is concerned, are flaming leftists (seemingly to the left of Lenin) dwelling in the Boston-DC corridor, elitists to the core with overt disdain to “rednecks” and other pleb types from the fly-over America they deem “stupid”, “racist”, “narrow-minded”, “religious zealots”, “gun-toters”, and generally Untermensch.

    Their take on the matter is thus driven purely by naked ideology, not by what Trump has said and/or done (however flawed that might be). Making the matters worse, they’ve ended up including in their narrative – perhaps to make it more ominous and scandalous – a whole bunch of half-truths, bits of conspiracy, and outright lies. From within the bubble wherein they dwell, they can’t begin to comprehend how and why the fly-over country (inhabited, in their supremely enlightened opinion, by yokels) could have over-elected such darlings of theirs as Bernie (their first choice) and Hillary. I don’t think they ever will, even if they read this jewel explaining why it was essentially themselves who have their own aššes handed to them:

    http://fredoneverything.org/uniquely-talented-only-the-democrats-could-have-lost-to-trump/

    p.s. This post is NEITHER about Trump, his agenda, policies, or their possible impact on Ukraine, Russia, etc., NOR my personal attitude to any of the above. It’s merely a stab at an explanation where the narrative encapsulated in this article (actually, a dimwitted hack piece) stems from – and perhaps a veiled invitation to those, who want to understand America better, to read people like Fred Reed (linked above) who really understand it and write about it with unmatched eloquence, rather than half-baked prevarications of those whose forte lies in analyzing “political processes in modern Russia”.

    p.p.s. Russian fabulist Krylov wrote in the fable “The Pike and the Cat”: “Беда, коль пироги начнет печи сапожник, a сапоги тачать пирожник”. (Tis’ trouble if pies are baked by a shoemaker and shoes are made by a baker.) In Latin, it’s expressed more tersely: Suum cuique.

    1. Avatar Eolone says:

      The Republicans in Congress voted against 20 to 30 bills for yokel military men and women and veterans since the beginning of Bush’s administration. Reagan cut yokels from double dipping in the military and then in other sectors of the government, among other cases. Big business Republicans like illegal immigrants in their construction and other companies, cutting out the yokels. If a small yokel was a piece a land that the big business Republican wants, chances are the property will be condemned or the town will take it for development. The yokel gets pushed around by the big Republican boys more that by liberals. But Rush Limbaugh will convince you otherwise. Franklin Graham, denizen of the swamp, will do likewise with his followers. (Birther Graham prayed to God at the inauguration. He had questioned Obama’s religion. Trump invited Graham. Obama was at the inauguration. Nice touch.)

      1. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

        A nice tirade, but the reason you’re telling me all that is exactly what? What have you found in my post that speaks to the contrary?

        1. Avatar Eolone says:

          Your tirade.

          1. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

            It’s not connected to yours logically, hence it can’t be a reason.

          2. Avatar Eolone says:

            I gave a short answer because I intended to go to bed. But the matter bothered me. In the early 1970’s, the Southern Baptist Convention’s platform included a woman’s right to abortion, even after Roe v. Wade. Around 1975, the government stated its intention to tax southern Christian schools and universities for their segregation. It is then that southern ministers gathered and sought a solution to get back at the government. Someone finally came up with abortion. That was the issue they would take. The Southern Baptist Convention reversed its platform regarding abortion. A page on the web can be found for the platform by year beginning around 1970. The southern Christian, which was to become the religious right, had no problem with abortion until they were told otherwise by their ministers. So, excuse us for saying “the stupid religious right”. Randall Balmer, a conservative, was in the midst of this and wrote the book “Thy Kingdom Come” detailing events of the time. He also has essays on the web. At least, my “tirade” can be filled with facts, like at least five bills to benefit military men and women during the Obama term. Pulled these off the internet:

            1. Veterans Affairs Funding Bill (2015)

            2. Women Veterans and Families Health Services Act (2014)

            3. Veterans Health and Benefits and Military Retirement Pay Restoration Act (2014)

            4. Veterans Jobs Corps Act (2012)

            5. Homeless Women Veterans and Homeless Veterans With Children Act (2010)

          3. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

            I didn’t mean to disrupt your sleep, and I’m sorry if I did. But it appears as though you’re still failing to get it: I had no intention whatsoever to stir any ruckus vis-a-vis the Left vs the Right, let alone vis-a-vis any of the other issues you’ve brought up here; and I still don’t. Methinks I’ve delineated the boundaries of the subject matter quite unambiguously in the p.s. disclaimer to my original post. To recap, (a) the article is at odds with American reality, (b) the author has no first clue about it, and (c) she merely regurgitates extremely biased personal opinions of some Russian emigres.

          4. Avatar Mephisto says:

            so you mean to say, that no US journalist has the right to write any article about Russia and its politics, unless he lives in Russia? Also, the word “American reality” is strange. What American reality? The liberal reality, the conservative reality, the alt-right reality? Most US conservatives seem to be living in a bubble of ideologial indoctrination that has nothing to do with reality. I bet most of them would be unable to define the world reality in any intelligent manner. Their “reality” is constructed by right-wing media such a Fox news and they lack to capacity to use their own brains.
            If you want to see some American opinions than read some discussions on the web, for example at yahoo news
            https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-just-proposed-a-60-billion-tax-hike-214631857.html

          5. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

            Ne, já nechtěl říci nic z toho vůbec. Jen jsem řekl, že lidé, kteří neznají americkou realitu, by se neměla psát o tom. Reality nezávisí na levé nebo na pravé straně; je to jen objektivní realita. Novináři se mohou psát o cokoliv chtějí, ale musí pochopit předmět. Jak jsem již uvedl, Ksenia nemá žádnou představu o amerických záležitostech z vlastní zkušenosti. Její názor se opírá o názory jiných lidí, jejichž názory jsou založeny na jejich mimořádně neobjektivní ideologii.

          6. Avatar Eolone says:

            It seems someone slipped this into your original comment:

            “I’ve been following the Trump-related articles penned by those “originators” since before Trump became the nominee. It’s quickly become incandescently clear that all of them, as far as
            American politics is concerned, are flaming leftists (seemingly to the
            left of Lenin) dwelling in the Boston-DC corridor, elitists to the core
            with overt disdain to “rednecks” and other pleb types from the fly-over
            America they deem “stupid”, “racist”, “narrow-minded”, “religious
            zealots”, “gun-toters”, and generally Untermensch.”

          7. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

            It’s just a statement of fact, not passing judgement. I read “grani” and “kasparov” regularly to keep abreast of what some saner people in Russia think about Russia and couldn’t help but notice that a few write about US affairs instead. They don’t conceal their political allegiances and dwelling locations; on the contrary, they parade them overtly and make no secret of interpreting events and evaluating personae through the prism of their ideology.

            p.s. I don’t engage into D vs R or L vs R discussions. First, I’m neither and have just as much beef with the R as with the L. Second, it’s an exercise in futility. But when I plainly see on what sort of ideology an opinion is based, nothing precludes me from noticing it.

          8. Avatar Eolone says:

            You use a large brush for “facts”. Do you realize some people in the mid-west and south voted against Trump? You need a zig-zag flyover in those areas to vindicate your view. Those flaming leftists in Kansas calling others rednecks and racists! Yours is not a statement of fact, it’s passing judgment. We liberals in the Boston-DC corridor know the country is diverse, even in the areas you say we disdain.

          9. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

            “My” only facts are, sufficiently and necessarily:

            1. The narrative of the article is originated by several pundits writing for kasparov.ru and grani.ru.
            2. They are, by their own admimssion, emigres from the space formerly encumbered by the USSR now living in the US’ Boston-DC corridor.
            3. By their own admission, they espouse views on the extreme left of the political spectrum and opinionate accordingly.
            4. They flagrantly profess that Trump has gotten elected by “rednecks”, “racists”, “yokels”, “white trash”, “gun-toters”, etc. – people whom these pundits treat with unconcealed disdain – by capturing the spirit of these folks’ “contemptible” proclivities.

            If you argue that I’m using “a large brush” for my “facts”, you have to point out which fact or facts *related to the pundits in question and their actions* in the list above are factually untrue, which is impossible because all of it is true: they are who they say they are, and they’ve written what they’ve written.

            It appears that instead, you’re trying to argue my opinion as if coming from the right. But first, since I haven’t expressed it, you’re fighting a straw man you’ve erected. And second, if I did, it wouldn’t be coming from the right.

            However, if you want it, then fine, here it is: Their view of why and by whom Trump was elected (see #4) is utter nonsense. On the other hand, Fred Reed’s take on it (expressed in the article I’ve linked) is much closer to the American realities.

          10. Avatar Eolone says:

            Oh, so your entire argument is based on what two or three pundits have been saying. You’re fighting with pundits as you define them? Garry Kasparov, if that is who you mean, does not strike me as a pundit; but I’m not going to spend any more time on this topic.

          11. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

            They’ve set the narrative embodied in this article, and I just wished to provide its genealogy for those who’re interested to know. My argument (if that’s an argument), that neither they nor those aping them understand American realities and causes of what happened in November 2016, stands. Garry Kasparov sometimes writes for kasparov.ru site he’s created but does so infrequently, and he’s not one of the pundits I mean, anyway. There’re other contributors – some, like Igor Yakovenko, rather brilliant – and they help learn about Russian affairs from the angle unavailable via Russian agitprop – the exact reason why the site (as well as grani.ru) is banned by the Kremlin. The downside for an anglophone is that it’s all in Russian, but for an inquiring mind, Google Translate is an acceptable palliative solution.

    2. Avatar Tony says:

      Interesting, thanks for Fred Reed’s link. I get why the anti-immagration(damn auto correct..) crowd voted Trumo. However, what I don’t get is why the crime concerned, poor, jobs and crowd did not vote for the dreaded socialist policies?
      Instead they always talk about tax cuts and deregulation but doesn’t this lessen government funds that could be used to help the poor and make employers more abusive?
      Seems like a case of shooting oneself in the foot to me. I travled the world and in my experience US puzzlingly has about as many homeless in the streets as African countries while EU and some Asian countries do better. Could Americans technically vote for Trump as president and Democrat’s for Congress and Senate? Wouldn’t that have aligned better with their grivences?

      1. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

        Reading old Fred is, uh, instructive, to say at least, not to mention that by doing that, one gets exposed to a good dose of spectacular English usage almost impossible to find elsewhere.

        Yes, of course they could technically vote the other way. But this time around, those who have voted this particular guy in had reasons quite different from those you’ve listed. And I’d say that they’d vote for him even if he ran on the D-ticket rather than R – and even that they voted for him for much the same reason they did not vote for Romney. Without delving into gory details, it can be said that what happened in this election was the Jacksonian revolt. However, if you’re interested in the details, here’s an excellent essay by Walter Mead:

        foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2017-01-20/jacksonian-revolt

        1. Avatar Tony says:

          Thanks for the link, it was educational.

          1. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

            Welcome.

  8. Avatar albertphd says:

    Ms. Kirillova has aptly called the age we live in as: “The Age of Trump”! I think she’s right!

    An old song, ‘American Pie’, refers to an Age when ‘the music died’! Perhaps our current Age is the day when Mass Media will have died?! who knows? But this article has gendered nearly 200 comments already in only 2 days or so! Remarkable hot bed for discussion!

    With regard to Western Mass Media (CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, etc.), it’s remarkable how much anti-Trump sentiment is splashed non-stop on their news outlets around the world!

    It’s true a large sum, perhaps most (?!) of the $1.3 billion USD of political contributions that Hillary Clinton spent (not a dime of her own money!) on her failed campaign was paid to US Mass Media, but it did no good. (Trump by contrast spent less than $200 million of his OWN money to fund his campaign and he won?!). How is this possible? Didn’t Napoleon Bonaparte himself say that he feared two hostile newspapers more than 10,000 bayonets? So how could Trump defeat this ‘sure thing’, this cocksure Clinton election?!

    Well, surprisingly, Ms. Kirillova supplies us with the clue(s): as she states: that Trump’s critics (aka: enemies, Western Mass Media) are in “violation of the Standards [i.e., rules of ethical canon]” in that they published “a 35-page UNVERIFIED dossier” which attempted to show that Trump is anti-CIA (among other things!) in order to turn “concerns over US National Security” into a “war over compromising materials”! Well-put, Ms. Kirillova! But on 23 January 2017, Trump received a non-stop standing ovation during his first official stop-over as US President at the CIA meeting with 350 CIA agents! Hardly, a conflict here as the Mass Media wished to conflate?!

    And there you have it! This slanted bias against Trump is a concoction of Western Media which was paid handsomely to ensure that Hillary Clinton would win hands down! Even though the whole world knows that they failed, they still wish to justify themselves in their own eyes! [See, for example, the Fake News they tried to show with audience crowd size on the 20th January 2017 Trump Inauguration! I will include the link in my follow-up to this comment FYI!]

    As to Trump’s Victory, [this new “Age of Trump” as Ms. Kirillova aptly calls it]: let us recall that the new UN President labelled 2017 as ‘the year of PEACE’! If Trump can manage to negotiate PEACE with Russia, and a peaceful relationship with like-minded nations around the world, that is only an asset, not a liability, correct?! [But of course it must be PEACE according to Trump’s terms!]. Perhaps we cannot all jump unto the so-called “PEACE Train” (as The Beatles once called it!), but should we not at least try to do so?!

    As today (Saturday, 28th January 2017) is Chinese New Year (the Year of the Rooster!), let us reflect upon the need for PEACE in this conflict between Russia and Ukraine, and other hot spots around the globe, [as John Lennon and his children exemplified] in this anti-war NEW YEAR music video: entitled: “Happy Xmas (War Is Over)”:

  9. Avatar albertphd says:

    As I posted in my comment a few minutes ago and promised to you the reader(s) that I would show how the Western Mass Media (in particular CNN) lied regarding Trump’s crowd size on 20th January 2017 (Trump’s Inauguration), here it is (from YouTube!): “Lies About Trump’s Inauguration Crowds (Proof)”–

    1. Avatar Eolone says:

      The photo of Trump’s crowd was taken by a New York Times photographer at
      3:57. It was taken from a greater height than the deceiving lower height of the video. Go to 51, 52, and especially 53 seconds into the video, into Trump’s speech, and you will see a sparse area in the right foreground, a full group beyond, this is repeated for the next two groups, and finally, almost empty space in the back. This corresponds with the NYT photo. The “proof” is a deception.

      1. Avatar Eolone says:

        The time given in the comment above is from the CNN video, not this “proof”, which stops the frames.

      2. Avatar Eolone says:

        The NYT photographer tweeted at 3:57. The photo was taken prior to that time. The rest of the information remains as it was.

    2. Avatar Eolone says:

      The better video showing Trump’s crowd is seen here:

      http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/01/20/inauguration-time-lapse-video-crowd-president-trump-audience-size-origxw-bpu.cnn

      Look at 34 and 35 seconds into the video.

    3. Avatar Eolone says:

      Even the propaganda Fox News slipped up when it showed an empty area that matches the other videos at about 2:55 into the video below:

      http://fox2now.com/2017/01/20/watch-and-read-donald-trumps-inaugural-address-to-the-nation/

      Send your video to the faux news museum.

  10. Avatar albertphd says:

    Don’t know what is happening to my original comment on this site?! Perhaps a Liberal Democrat decided to erase it?! Hmmm? Makes you wonder who is running the show here? Perhaps, not as impartial as one would think?

    Anyway, here is a different approach to my original comment: This article by Russian analyst, Kseniya Kirillova, is so pro-Democrat (not to be confused with “Democratic”?) that it’s hard not to comment on it. All her claims about Trump are saturated in this negative post-Democrat tirade that Trump is not the preferred President of the US by the majority of the people? Really?!

    Let us see what happened in that recent landslide victory for Trump! As Maureen Dowd, a LIBERAL columnist for New York Times, stated as her Christmas address (last month):

    “The election was a complete repudiation of Barrack Obama: his fantasy world of political correctness, the illicit politicization of the Justice Department and the IRS, an out-of-control EPA, his neutering of the military, his non-support of the Police and his fixation on things like transgender washrooms… Preaching– and pandering– with a message of inclusion, the Democrats have instead become a Party where incivility and bad manners are taken for granted, rudeness is their routine, religion is mocked and there is absolutely no respect for a differing opinion.”!

    What I had stated in my first post (to include a music video of the anti-war theme from John Lennon) is that Kirilliova (despite her anti-Trump stance) happened to admit one key truth that unravels her entire argument: that Trump’s critics (aka: his enemies, the Western Mass Media) are in “violation of the Standards [or “rules of ethical canon”] in that they published “a 35-page unverified dossier” as an attempt to smear Trump and to bolster the (false) argument that he is anti-CIA thereby to turn “US National Security” interests into a ‘political game’ in this “war over compromising materials”! Wow! This major concession reveals what is behind the anti-Trump (pro-Democrat) stance in these Media messages! Western Media will apparently stop at nothing to tar and feather Trump as an illegitimate President!

    During this Chinese New Year (commencing today, Saturday, 28th January 2017 until 15 February 2018!), we wish to remind the viewer(s) as to the price of lies, the price that the media wishes to impose upon the world (to justify themselves in their own eyes!), that Trump is evil and that he represents “irresponsible promises”?! Again, I say: Really now?!

    Let the facts speak for themselves: In his first week as President, Trump met with the CIA operatives and received non-stop standing ovations during that visit! Hardly, an anti-CIA stance here at all?! Fake News by the Mass Media.

    As to Trump’s promises: they are in the process of being fulfilled as we speak, as his daily regime reveals! Again, Fake News by the Western Media.

    There is no “high degree of inertia” at all with Trump’s agenda; and certainly there is no “constant admiration of Vladimir Putin” by Trump as Kirillova blatantly states. Nor, are Trump’s supporters (the majority vote in the US election!) “fans with frightening fanaticism” as Kirillova describes them (to rival Hillary Clinton’s description of them as: “a basket case of deplorables”?!)! Instead, “Wisdom if justified of her children” (as the Bible states in describing this similar sort of opposition that Someone Special endured, see: Matthew 11:16-19).

    The values that Kirillova fails to comment on is the value of PEACE (see, also “the conditions of PEACE” referred to in the Bible, Luke 14:31-32). In this war with Russia, Ukraine has lost at least 10,000 soldiers and countless thousands of civilians (although Russian losses in the Donbas are considerably higher it is assumed!). Ukraine will no doubt continue its armed conflict with the Russian invaders, although only as an Anti-Terrorist Operation; not as an official war?! How much longer can this charade continue?

    Ex-President Obama refused to grant Ukraine the lethal weapons US Congress voted 7 to 1 to give to Ukraine back in March 2015! So what good have the Democrats ever done for Ukraine?! Under Obama, the US spent $1 billion per day in Iraq and billions of USD in Syria but hardly $1 billion for Ukraine in the past 3 years all told?!

    So, why did Ukraine pay $80 million to the Clinton campaign this past year? Why do Ukrainian news outlets still prefer pro-Obama policies (which do not work and have not solved their Russian-Ukraine issues?)?! It is time for real change!

    Time to work with the USA, economically, financially, and to make the USA Ukraine’s biggest partner! Not to blatantly and unprofessionally criticize the People’s US President elected not through the propagandist pundits of Mass Media financing, but elected honestly– by the People, of the People, and for the people!

    Trump is a man of PEACE, a master negotiator, not a man of violence, a man of war. It is agreed that he is not a politician, and perhaps his language is not the smooth polished tongue of a diplomat like Putin, but he speaks his mind and he will speak for the will and best interest(s) of the American people, whether Putin likes it or not!

    America is still 80% Christian, and perhaps the same can be said of Ukraine. Given that bond–of a Christian religion and Christian beliefs– perhaps it would behoove each of us to reflect upon the words Christ Himself spoke: “Love Your Enemies!”… What does that mean? To be naive and simple-minded? Of course, not!

    But I will tell you what it does not mean! It does not mean that we should begin a new relationship with the Russian Bear with malice and ill will in our hearts! We should at least start the New Year and our new US-RF relationship on a positive first step, don’t you agree?!

    As this year, 2017, has been designated as the Year of PEACE by the new United Nations President, and as today is Chinese New Years, let us reflect on the price for PEACE, in this anti-war theme by John Lennon: