Kremlin more interested in what Trump will do to America than what he’ll do for Russia, Pavlova says

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is seen through the audience before participating in a roundtable event, Tuesday, Sept. 27, 2016, in Miami.  (AP Photo/John Locher)

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is seen through the audience before participating in a roundtable event, Tuesday, Sept. 27, 2016, in Miami. (AP Photo/John Locher) 

Analysis & Opinion, Politics, Russia

Almost all discussions about the relationship between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump have focused on what the new US president may do for Russia and why, but Irina Pavlova argues that it misses the point, because the Kremlin is far more interested in what Trump will do to America than what he will do for Russia.

Irina Pavlova, Russian historian

Irina Pavlova

In a blog post yesterday, the US-based Russian historian notes that Trump is reported to be extremely popular in the Putin regime but extremely unpopular among those who oppose Putin, a pattern many explain by pointing to similarities in the personality of the two leaders.

According to Pavlova, such conclusions are based on “superficialities.” In fact, she says, “Kremlin propagandists hope that Trump will become an American Gorbachev who will lead the US into a crisis and in the end destroy this country.” She points to Karen Shakhnazarov’s comments on Vladimir Solovyev’s Sunday Evening talk show of two days ago.

But even more open in the expression of such Moscow hopes is commentator Maksim Shevchenko who has declared on Ekho Moskvy that

Trump “is a symbol of a deep and insuperable social, political and economic divide in America in particular and the Larger West as a whole” that can only lead to violence.

His shouting of “long live Trump” is thus not a manifestation of any affection for the US and its new president, but rather “an exalted expression of the very same anti-Americanism” the Putin regime has long expressed and cultivated. Shevchenko adds that he will support anyone in the US who promotes “confrontation” with Trump because that will weaken the US.

Some obvious, if unintended, support for Pavlova’s conclusion has just been offered by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and returned head of Putin’s party of power, United Russia. He makes it clear that Moscow isn’t looking at what Trump will do for Russia but rather what Trump will do to the US.

At the United Russia congress, the Russian premier said the following about Trump’s rise to power and about that of other leaders in the West who some in Moscow expect to end sanctions and work more closely with the Russian government.

“In general, it is time to turn away from illusions that any sanctions will be removed in relation to our country. It is obvious that all that has happened is for the long haul. There is no reason to place one’s hopes on elections abroad or on the coming to power of new foreign leaders.”

The prime minister’s remarks on this point, Kazan’s Business-Gazeta notes today, “were supported by the stormy applause of congress delegates” who have taken the point that they should not be placing any of their hopes on US President Donald Trump.


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  • Mephisto

    it is interesting that all the russian internet trolls stand behind Trump. Their behavior is a nice indicator of the attitudes of Kremlin. They all hate Obama and Clinton (demonizing them) and all praise Trump, comparing him to Reagan (which is ridiculous)
    What Pavlova writes is (in my opinion) true. The primary goal of Trump the Russian Mole is not to lift sanctions, but to weaken, erode and destroy America. One of the most destructive factors in every society are nationalists, which are latent fascists. Their hate towards others (different races, religions, cultures etc) can be chaneled and exploited. Trump’s real agenda is the weakening of the US. He will fuel nationalism (internal destabilizing factor), he will drag the US into confrontation with China (weakening both Russian adversaries), he will try to destroy tranatlantic relationships and NATO.
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/vladimir_putin_has_a_plan_for_destroying_the_west_and_it_looks_a_lot_like.html

    • туфтуф

      Small countries with no clout should know their place. They are ALWAYS just pawns even when the future looks awfully bright. Not that ukrolands future looked bright ever.

      • Quartermaster

        To the contrary, Ukraine’s future is bright. Russland’s, however, is grim. Stalinist grim.

        • туфтуф

          Maybe u r right. But still, it is on the periphery of the important world changes. It has no clout. It has been fighting tractor drivers for over 2 years now. The story about Russian aggression is in essence a fnancial, not a military operation. It is aimed to line the oligarchs’ pockets with foreign aid. Poland, Ukraine and 304 Balts united in one front against Russia is Ukraines only chance. Only if the Poles can “unfreeze” the US tanks stuck in the snow before reaching ukroborder. Lolz

          • Quartermaster

            If you think Russian aggression is financial, then you know even less than you admit.
            I’ve seen US tanks in the snow. The pathetic thing is your knowledge is so limited. Frankly, you simply embarrass yourself repeatedly by your display of ignorance.

    • Quartermaster

      Anyone reading slate is not just uninformed, but badly misinformed. Slate is published by raving leftist idiots.

      • WisconsinUSA

        Anyone who takes the laundry man here seriously is an idiot. Like he said before Hitler could never conquer Switzerland. Ha ha ha ha

        • Quartermaster

          Since I don’t do laundry, you need to take your complaint elsewhere. I wasn’t an Army Quartermaster. A Navy Quartermaster is a Navigator.

          Learn your history doofus. Learn what his own Generals said, and why Hitler took their advice on the Swiss.

          Anyone taking you seriously, given your posts, is a moron.

  • MichaelA

    It is unusual to see Medvedev making intelligent comments. Normally he just insults Russian pensioners or extols the virtues of badminton.

    But he is right to warn his fellow Russians that sanctions aren’t going to be lifted any time soon. What he means by that of course is Putin’s sanctions against western products, mainly foid. The sanctions applied by the west don’t affect the ordinary people of Russia, but the Russian elites. whereas Putin’s banning of decent food does affect the common people.

    • туфтуф

      Nothing unusual there. Medved learns the scripts off by heart. Not like Bumsey.

  • laker48

    Medvedev seems to catch up with reality. Trump is just the top figurehead with a lot of power vested in him, but he’s not a dictator by any means. The US Congress holds the strings of the purse. Those in America who rebel against rightfully elected president seem to rebel against democracy. If the rebellion turns violent, the state has the full right to use force in its disposal to restore law and order. Democracy doesn’t equal anarchy.

    • WisconsinUSA

      Half of your comment is not true Laker. Sorry.

      • laker48

        Would you mind being more specific and factual, please?

        • туфтуф

          The congress are puppets on the string who dance to the music coming from the Deep State. Can l be more specific?

          • zorbatheturk

            You are full of BS. Typical ruSSkiy: brain pickled in vodka.

          • туфтуф

            Typical troll. When no arguments, insult em.

      • Quartermaster

        There’s nothing in his post that is wrong. You’re simply a misinformed libtard.

        • WisconsinUSA

          You need to do a better job on cleaning my underwear quartermaster. I’m very disappointed.

          • Quartermaster

            Since I don’t do laundry, you need to take your complaint elsewhere. I wasn’t an Army Quartermaster. A Navy Quartermaster is a Navigator.

    • WisconsinUSA

      Hey Laker, getting back to you now. Trump is not a figurehead. Far from being just a figurehead. Also protesting against something in America is not an assault on democracy. In fact it is your solemn duty to peacefully protest that’s one of the key ingredients of democracy. And it is not a rebellion to protest against your elected leaders or your government it is allowed and encouraged.like I said peaceful protest which is allowed under democracy at least in America it is. And when you speak of rebellion or rebel only time we had a rebellion in our country was our terrible civil war of 1861.

      • laker48

        “In fact it is your solemn duty to peacefully protest that’s one of the key ingredients of democracy.”
        Yes, PEACEFULLY!

  • zorbatheturk

    America allows free speech and political demonstrations. It also has real elections and a powerful economy. None of which applies to the (un)Democratik Peoples Republik of Putinistan AKA RuSSian Federation.

    This benighted state full of vodka suckers falls behind on all metrics.

  • laker48

    Trump stands more than fair chances to become another Ronald Reagan whom he admires as well as he does General George Patton. He even adopted Reagan’s mission statement “Peace through strength”, what boils down to this ancient Roman maxim: “Si vis pacem, para bellum”. The dwarf doesn’t have much if anything left to significantly increase Dwarfsta’s military might. He’s just a ferocious Chihuahua barking at a pitbull.

  • Steve B

    Am I the only one who is sick of this anti Russian propaganda? Why do we have a major stick up our ass with them? All I hear is non stop ranting about how evil Putin and Russia are. I’ve been watching a ton of interviews with Putin on YouTube and I see a totally different person than the one depicted by US propaganda. I see someone who is highly intelligent, articulate and sincere. Wow, that’s not what the US propaganda wants me to think! Uh oh! I’m starting to think for myself now!

    I have to say that from the interviews I’ve seen with Putin I like him better than any American politician I’ve seen. He speaks more deeply and more honestly, puts things into perspective, offers holistic answers to questions. What do our politicians do? They speak in soundbites and very carefully crafted and guarded language. They’re very dodgy and don’t want to answer the questions (in fact they almost never answer the question). When you watch American politicians they seem so fake and constrained and don’t know what they’re talking about. Putin just says it like it is.

    • laker48

      Well, Lenin, Hitler, Goebbels, Mussolini, Mao Zedong and Fidel Castro were very articulate too. Their holistic approach left behind hundreds of millions of dead victims of their insane ideas.

      • Steve B

        Please provide evidence that Putin is walking down the same path as all the other characters you mentioned.