Sobchak’s statement on Crimea has profound consequences for the future, Portnikov says

Kseniya Sobchak's first press conference after her announcement to run against Vladimir Putin in 2018 presidential elections. October 24, 2017 (Image: Youtube video capture)

Kseniya Sobchak's first press conference after her announcement to run against Vladimir Putin in 2018 presidential elections. October 24, 2017 (Image: Youtube video capture) 

Analysis & Opinion, Crimea, Russia

Kseniya Sobchak’s statement that Crimea is Ukrainian under international law may not matter too much in the short term, Vitaly Portnikov says. On the one hand, it may all be part of a Kremlin game to appear tolerant. And on the other, she won’t have the chance to implement it because she isn’t going to be elected Russian president.

Vitaly Portnikov, Ukrainian political analyst and writer

Vitaly Portnikov, Ukrainian political analyst and writer

Those twin realities have led many to dismiss her words, but that is a mistake, the Ukrainian commentator says, because by making them, Sobchak has returned the discussion of the status of Crimea to open political discussion in Russia, something that had previously been impossible because of a legal ban on call for changes in Russia’s external borders.

She has found a way to express something that no one could before. Admittedly, Portnikov continues,

her position “will not influence the majority of Russians” at least not today. “But what is important is not the number of people” who support her or this position. What matters is that it is now again in Russia’s public space.

Most opposition leaders, including Alexei Navalny, have felt that they cannot challenge the “Crimea is Ours” majority head on even if they are so inclined; and Navalny, by all the evidence, isn’t. Instead, he is quite prepared to play to the imperialist majority because that is a way to get votes now.

But “sooner or later,” Portnikov says, “with Putin or without this aging ruler, Russian society will be forced to come to an understanding of the necessity of normalizing relations with Ukraine, with the return of the territories it has seized, with a final rejection of an expansionist foreign policy, and with a condemnation of chauvinism and aggression.”

Sobchak’s words, however little they affect Russia right now, help bring that day closer, the analyst says, because “Russia is a country in which three percent support for this or that position can easily be transformed into 73 percent by actions of the authorities or television. That is something that must always be remembered.”

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  • svend

    If she means it, there is hope that there still exist civilized Russians.

    • veth

      No, she says this, because she is a paid troll for the Kremlin. PUTIN CHOOSE HER AS CANDIDATE FOR THE ‘OPPOSITION’. She is the daughter of his best friend, end of story.

      • RedSquareMaidan

        I’m glad she is reminding Russians that there is such a thing as International Law, since most Russians are too arrogant and misled to believe it.

        • veth

          DUMA passed law last year that International Law is not valid in cases of conflicts.

        • Rafael Hernandez

          Ha ha, Volker is saying that Minsk 2 needs to be implemented, while Saakashvili is stirring up the Ukrainian people to do a new maidan. Slava Ukraine!!!

          • gmab

            And back home, Russian’s are watching TV and picking their noses. Ukrainians have the courage to react unlike the starving ruskies too dimwitted to think for themselves.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Too dimwitted AND drunk on boyarishnik.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Rafael, you are deviating from the subject that is being discussed.

        • Screwdriver

          Yes, we know on Kosovo example , when “International Law ” was simply ignored.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Screwdriver, what a fine example of whatsaboutism. The subject that is being discussed is the fact that Kseniya Sobchak says that the Crimea is Ukraine and that there is such a thing as international law.

          • Screwdriver

            When people rising up, they do not care much about the International law, you know it. Look at Barcelona.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            And guess what Catalonia’s fate will be. Nobody will recognise its independence- nobody who’s relevant, that is. As for remaining in the EU, Catalonia can forget it. It will have to apply for membership like any other new state, and this application will take years. Quite apart from this, its accession will be vetoed by several countries at the very least, not to mention that most companies and banks will leave the region. Guess what that will do to its economy.

          • Screwdriver

            I assume you live in Europe. Do you see what is happening because of this stupid multicultural EU policies ? People getting sick of this BS in many European countries, and looks like its gonna grow. You can call it plague if you do not like it, but it is about to get spread.

          • zorbatheturk

            Brooklyn is very, ah, multicultural.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Screwie doesn’t know that- he’s never been beyond his mud hut in the bogs surrounding St. Petersburg, apart from his daily commuting to his Savushkina cubicle.
            By the way, Screwie’s beloved Moscow is also very multicultural- Chechens, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Tatars, Buryats etc etc. The dwarf’s mattress- er, mistress Alina is, I believe, part Tatar.

          • zorbatheturk

            Good point. Brooklyn is a long way to sail a raft from St P.

      • zorbatheturk

        She is better eye candy than Putin, in any case.

        • gmab

          Putler is a Vepsian. There’s no hope left for him.

          • Scradje

            All Veps, or maybe some mongol too?

          • gmab

            The finno-ugric tribes originate from central asia so my guess would be Yes.

          • Sania

            ubludok, write what u know and think about 15 year boy in ru jail.
            He is not killer. He is from Ivanteevka, city region

        • Fortranz

          Yep, she’s got shirtless-on-a-horse beat all right.

        • Dagwood Bumstead

          Of course she is! The dwarf isn’t even candy- one wonders what Alina sees in him.
          Comparing Ksenia to the dwarf is like comparing chicken salad to chicken s#&t.

          • zorbatheturk

            A few billion bucks does wonders for a man’s appeal to a RuSSian woman.

      • Dagwood Bumstead

        Nevertheless, Ksenia is publicly saying something that would be considered pure heresy a few years ago. The fact that she has done so COULD be an indication that at least SOMEBODY in the dwarf’s inner circle favours returning the Crimea- under certain conditions of course.

        Time will tell.

      • Dagwood Bumstead

        I very much doubt whether the dwarf actually has any REAL friends. The people around him are toadies, from Medvedev to Gazprom Gerd Schröder. And they will dump him in a flash if his policies really start to threaten their ill-gotten gains.
        As for Ksenia, I’m pretty sure she isn’t on the dwarf’s Christmas card list, though she may be on the dwarf’s ex-wife Lyudmila’s list.

    • Oknemfrod

      There still exist civilized Russians, albeit far and few between, regardless of whether she means it or not. As to the latter, I’m pretty much convinced that her attitude towards the litmus test question “Whose is Crimea?” is “I don’t care; whosever, as long as it is politically expedient”.

      I agree with Portnikov that the reason the concept of “Crimea is Ukrainian” was needed, at one time of another, to be inserted in the Russian political discourse, for sooner or later Russia will have to part with the peninsula for a whole slew of reasons; and the dwarf (and especially his coterie) realizes that.

      However, it had to be introduced very carefully: For the dwarf to do it himself would be a political suicide because at the moment, this concept is totally blasphemous to the sheeple due to all the brainwashing and pseudo-patriotic hoopla gone into making it so. Hence, the message had to be merged in without the sheeple going totally ape. Sobchak appears to be a perfect syringe for this kind of injection.

      • Rafael Hernandez

        Crimea is going ro remain in Russia for eternity. Ukraine does not even have enough funds to drive the rest of the country; Lvov trash problems, 125$ wagers for police officers and extremely high emigration rates. Given that Saakashvli is stirring up the Ukrainian people to do a second Maidan, it does not look rosy for Ukraine. You better hope that Saakashvili will fail, otherwise if Ukraine experiences a second Maidan, it will certainly collapse. And as soon as that happen PIS will be quick to take back Lvov and Ternopol

        • Vladislav Surkov

          Russia has potable water issues in Crimea, as the Mayor of Sevastopol and others have detailed. Unlike power, food, and investment, this is not a solvable issue with out direct Ukrainian Participation. As long as Russia holds the Ukrainian Territories of Crimea and Sevastopol, Moscow will stare down a crisis.

          The UK faced the same issue regarding Hong Kong. While Britain had a treaty granting Hong Kong in perpetuity, the potable water came from the “New Territories”. The UK only had a 99 year lease on that one, and Deng Xiaoping refused to extend it. Margaret Thatcher’s options were limited short of outright war for a remote colony in relation to London. It ultimately had no choice but to return the last remaining crown jewel of the British Empire. Crimea and Sevastopol face the same issue, and will likely be returned when Russia realizes they have no other option.

          • Screwdriver

            “Crimea and Sevastopol face the same issue, and will likely be returned when Russia realizes they have no other option”
            Another option for Russia is to liberate entire Ukraine, water problem would be solved.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Srewdriver, baring your real imperialist self?
            By the way, whom Russia would liberate in Ukraine?

          • Screwdriver

            Russia would liberate Ukrainians in Ukraine.
            This is nothing to do with imperialism. For example – I stand for Russia to return Finnish lands, and I am for returning Königsberg to Germany, – Russian imperialists would not support me on that.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Srewdriver of who would the Russians liberate the Ukrainians?

          • Screwdriver

            From totalitarian, pseudo-democratic Nazi regime.

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            Another quotation from Putin’s handbook on lies and fabrications.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Srewdriver, ever heard of Godwin’s law?

          • Screwdriver

            Does not apply in this case, because the evidence is overwhelming.
            You would have to accuse not just me of that, but also to add Israel, Poland, Jewish organisations throughout the world, Euro-parliament (who condemned Ukraine for glorification of Nazi collaborators), now Hungary is added to the list.
            Sorry, missed shot.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Screwdriver, you forget that the Jews most interested, i.e. the Jews from Ukraine, don’t have many problems with today’s Ukraine.

          • Screwdriver

            “Jews from Ukraine, don’t have many problems with today’s Ukraine” How you know, you reading Jewish press ? And what is many and what is not many ? How many is OK ?
            Since 2014 there were number of publications in Jewish press.
            Example : “LOCAL JEWS IN SHOCK AFTER UKRAINIAN CITY OF KONOTOP ELECTS NEO-NAZI MAYOR”
            http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Ukrainian-Jews-shocked-after-city-elects-neo-Nazi-mayor-437975

          • Eddy Verhaeghe
          • Screwdriver

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            But Ukrainian lands don’t belong to Moscow, and few Ukrainians will accept being ruled by the Kremlin again. Furthermore, with WHAT would the dwarf “liberate” the Ukraine?

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Ukrainians would love nothing more than to be ruled by Russia, secretly. 6x better lifestandars. Maybe Russia should liberate Ukraine from saakashvili never having the chance to be president of Ukraine. If he becomes president, it would mean the end of ukraine

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Rafael, may I again ask you to provide us with a link to prove your assertion that the living standard of Russians is “6x better” than that of Ukrainians?
            And my I again advise you to do some Google searches before you start to spout nonsense?

          • Rafael Hernandez

            It’s all over the internet. Do your own research for once

          • Fortranz

            “- It’s all over the internet.-”

            Sure it is, but you can’t show us where right?…lol

          • zorbatheturk

            Ukrainians would like nothing more than to shove a redhot poker up Vladimir Putin’s a s s.

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            “Ukrainians would love nothing more than to be ruled by Russia”. Now, if any moron were to believe that nonsense then they should also believe that Venezuelans would love nothing more than to be ruled by Spain.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Given how rotten the Chavez/Maduro regime in Venezuela is, one suspects that Venezuelans actually WOULD love to be ruled by Madrid……..

          • Screwdriver

            You really want to talk about it ? :-)

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            Did you just open up your kremtroll handbook on falsifications? Hovory do hory.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            I do but you don’t, old eunuch. The only way your dwarf Lord and Master can subjugate the Ukraine is by using nukes- his army can no longer defeat the Ukrainian army. But quite apart from the political consequences internationally, the dwarf would be left with a severely contaminated Ukraine to occupy. What’s more, with the prevailing wind coming from (roughly) the southwest, the fallout would drift over the border and also contaminate cities such as Belgorod, Orel, Voronezh and could well reach Tula, Moscow etc. Not a good idea- but then, the dwarf is not noted for good ideas.

          • Screwdriver

            “your dwarf Lord and Master” Got cold and have high fever ? Can not get enough of Tolkien ? Too much Playstation ?
            Or you on crack cocaine ?

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            Hilarious and disgusting at the same time. “Russia would liberate Ukrainians in Ukraine”. Apart from being totally ridiculous and absolutely false, that statement ignores the fact that Russia cannot liberate any country since they cannot even liberate themselves. Moreover, it does not require superior intelligence to understand this basic truth.

          • Vladislav Surkov

            Putin couldn’t “liberate” the whole of Ukraine, as has been proven.
            Ukrainians don’t want to be part of Russia. That’s why Russian Efforts to instigate insurrection failed in Odessa and Kharkiv. Russia would need to outright invade Ukraine from Crimea and along all points of the Eastern Border. Should Moscow try that, Russia would very likely see itself removed from SWIFT, Nordstream 2 blocked, and all its assets seized in the U.S. and U.K. Should either the U.S. say openly the return of seized assets pertain to the resignation of Putin and removal of Russian Soldiers in Ukraine, that would be the end of Vladimir Vladomirovich.

            You’ll counter with Putin’s high approval ratings (which pale in comparison with Robert Mugabe), and I’ll retort it won’t matter. Russia’s oligarchs will fund the revolutions themselves. They’ll find sympathetic voices in Government to join the cause. They will offer payouts to professional soldiers to storm the Kremlin if needed. Nobody is going to let Putin cost them billions, when he can be
            overturned internally for millions.

            For all of Ukraine’s Crisis and Corruption, it has managed one thing Russia hasn’t. Kyiv’s leaders managed to pass the baton of power without massive conflict or bloodshed. The Orange Revolution and Euromaidan were popular revolutions, not leaders or coups forcing transition. When has Russia had an orderly transition in its history?

            Even Yanukovych agreed to early elections. It was the Ukrainians themselves that refused it.

          • Screwdriver

            “Ukrainians don’t want to be part of Russia.”
            Yea… right…almost half of Ukrainian Army in Crimea changed to Russian uniforms, including Navy supreme commander. :-)

          • Vladislav Surkov

            You mean Ukrainian Naval Personnel did when Russia scuttled the vessels? Why hasn’t that happened anywhere else in Ukraine? Perhaps because Crimea was vulnerable, and the rest of Ukraine wasn’t? As Igor Girkin himself admitted, Ukrainians in Crimea were ready to defend it. Kyiv told them to stand down, fearing a Georgia scenario.

            Time will tell if that was a fatal decision.

          • Screwdriver

            From Ukrainian site, Odessa prosecutors about zrada: ” дезертирами надзорное ведомство считает командиров всех ударных кораблей украинского флота: корветов «Тернополь» (капитан 3-го ранга Максим Емельяненко — тот самый, который гордо говорил командующему ЧФ: «Русские не сдаются!», — сейчас он служит помощником командира российского БПК «Пытливый), «Приднепровье» (капитан 3-го ранга Александр Журкин), «Винница» (капитан 3-го ранга Сергей Заугольников), «Луцк» (капитан 3-го ранга Сергей Макеев), ракетного катера «Прилуки» (капитан третьего ранга Дмитрий Сухар) и других.
            Не очень понятно, почему всем перечисленным фигурантам инкриминируют только дезертирство, хотя большинство еще и изменило Родине — они пошли на службу к врагу.
            Как бы то ни было, обнародованный список дезертиров страдает неполнотой. Например, военная прокуратура почему-то не имеет никаких претензий к командирам экипажей подводной лодки «Запорожье» капитанам 2-го ранга Роберту Шагееву и Денису Клочану. Российские СМИ, между тем, сообщают, что Шагеев сейчас проходит переподготовку в Санкт-Петербурге и может быть назначен командиром новой российской субмарины проекта 636 «Великий Новгород».”

            “По данным «Думской», всего по состоянию на конец апреля российское гражданство получили более 6 тысяч военнослужащих ВМСУ”
            http://dumskaya.net/news/voennyj-prokuror-odesskogo-garnizona-otkryl-ugol-040873/

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Kyiv told the Ukrainian troops in the Crimea to stand down because useless Frau Ribbentrop Adolfina Merkelain and her equally useless sidekick Hollandier screamed “for God’s sake do nothing!” at Kyiv. Obama wasn’t exactly helpful either.

          • Vladislav Surkov

            I am aware of the circumstances, including Yulia Tymoschenko’s reluctant agreement to stand down in Crimea. That being said, it’s hard to imagine the Ukrainian Military being able to hold the peninsula for long as Russian Troops further invaded from Sevastopol. I have no idea what the capability of Ukrainian Forces was at that time. Had the U.S. had a ship in Odessa, and the will to back Ukraine, the outcome may have been different. We can only speculate, on whether it would have been positive or much worse for Ukraine.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Nah, crimeams are living 7x times better than before. No more 125$ dollar wages

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            Rubbish. Even if they earned 125 billion Zimbabwean dollars, that would not be enough to buy a slice of bread.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            I would love to see a few links that support your assertion, because it would mean that the Crimeans have a higher standard of living than the Russians.
            Maybe you should do some Google searches before you start spouting your daily quota of nonsensical posts?

          • Fortranz

            The High Price of Putin’s Takeover of Crimea
            https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-03-31/crimea-pays-a-high-price-three-years-after-russian-takeover

            In the ashes of empire: Life in Crimea since the annexation
            http://www.ecfr.eu/article/commentary_in_the_ashes_of_empire_life_in_crimea_since_the_annexation

            Fake: Crimea Benefits Economically from Reunification with Russia
            https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-crimea-benefits-economically-from-reunification-with-russia/

            This doesn’t sound to good to me Rafael Hernandez [usefuluseless-idiot of the St. Petersburg troll factory]. Show where in this that ” crimeams are living 7x times better than before”.

            I can’t find it, how come?

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Yeah, there is a good reason why you can’t find it; Selective selection. And try to find other websites with more credibility and factuallity, than those you posted

          • Fortranz

            This was only three of the 242,000 results from a Google search –
            average salary Crimea-, sorry, I didn’t read and post all of them to you. However, from what I can tell only 40% of the reports are favorable and 60% are unfavorable. As well it appears that all of the 40% favorable reports come from Russia and no where else.

            From:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_oblasts_and_territories_by_salary

            Average
            Region Monthly
            Rank Wage July Fyear Fyear
            Republic of Crimea 2003 2013 2013 2017
            (annexed by Russia) -10 —- 2,027 —- 2,991 —- 2,878 —- n/a

            This shows that the average monthly wages has decreased and certainly not gone up by 7x.

            Now Rafael Hernandez [usefuluseless-idiot of the St. Petersburg troll factory] who is quite obviously not an economist, show me credible data that contradicts this.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            The chart is the most fake thing I have ever seen XD XD XD Ukraine’s economy does not even match its 2011 level. Next time, try not to edit a wikipedia page, before showing us it. Just a friendly advice :)

          • Fortranz

            There is nothing fake about the chart you can find the figures in the web site I give you.

            “- Ukraine’s economy does not even match its 2011-”

            I didn’t say anything about this so what does it have to do with Crimean monthly wages?

            Next time try and present more that just an idiots “I say so’s and lies usefuluseless-idiot

            By the way, are you the Russian usefuluseless-idiot lying journalist that Navalny is talking about here?

            Navalny’s latest investigation with English subtitles

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            Too funny. Rafochko stated “The chart is the most fake thing I have ever seen”. If true, then this kremtroll never rereads the comments that he posts.

          • zorbatheturk

            Wages are gonna be low anywhere in the RuSSian boonies, which includes CrimeA.

          • Vladislav Surkov

            Except they aren’t as Dimitry Medvedev found out from pensioners begging for monthly increases. Inflation wiped out any gains Crimeans would have received from increased state payments. Russia doesn’t have the money, as Medvedev gaffed in Sevastopol.

        • Oknemfrod

          You must’ve been smoking something funny. The second Maidan has already happened. Russia is creaking under the sanctions imposed because of Crimea, and it is the sanctions that are forever, that is till Crimea is back under the auspices where it belongs. Whatever doesn’t “look rosy for Ukraine”, for Russia the things look downright ominously grim. So, keep dreaming.

          p.s. It’s “Lviv” and “Ternopil”, nincompoop.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Andrey Babis: Sanctions does not work. And indeed, Russia’s economy is growing with 2,2% thia year alone, while expected to grow 10% the next 4 years. That is with oil prices at 50$, now it is close to 60$. The sanctions have given Russia an oppertunity to grow their own agriculture, while Europe is suffering the most of the sanctions. So, do not bet so much on that outlook, it is not true :)

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            And the Volga River is the longest in the world and Mount Elbrus is the tallest in the world and blah, blah, blah…

          • Oknemfrod

            It’s a glaring case of a moron quoting a moron to prove he’s a moron, neither even knowing how to spell “oppOrtunity” and failing “sanctions” and “doES” to agree in number. Russia is being choked by the sanctions, you idiot; and for Europe, with its economy two orders of magnitude that of Russia, it not even a mosquito bite.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Sigh, I don’t spend hours on my comments trying to edit them, like you do. Infact, those who do, does not seem to have a proper life

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Rafael, insults aren’t arguments…

          • Oknemfrod

            You don’t have to spend more than a second to realize that “those” and “does” don’t agree in number and “oppErtunity” is a glaring spelling blunder.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Somehow, that is not true. Disqus shows when someone edits their comments. You are the world champion there

          • Oknemfrod

            What’s not true? Surely I edit my own comments when I notice a typo or to add something – it’s normal and doesn’t take “hours”.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Oknemfrod, to edit one’s own comments, to correct one’s own typos, to add something to one’s comments is indeed normal and doesn’t take hours.
            But to correct e.g. one’s typos one needs to know the language one uses. I have my doubts that our dear Rafael is fluent enough in English to be able to do that.
            Not that I have the pretension to be really proficient in English, but even for someone that uses English as his second language it’s all to obvious that our dear Rafael’s mastery of English is lacking.

          • Oknemfrod

            Eddy, even if English is one’s third language (as in my case), one can easily see with an unaided eye how glaringly maladroit his English is. One doesn’t have to be a Formula One ace to see big potholes on the road and drive around them. By the same token, it’s not difficult to ensure that the language one uses in a public forum is straight at least to the extent of avoiding orthographic blunders. IMO, failure to do so is uncouth and demonstrates, at the very least, slothfulness on part of the poster. Nobody here expect perfect grammar or phrasing from anyone else or scoffs at apparent typos. Humanum errare est! The only expectation is sufficient intelligibility and reasonable tidiness.
            p.s. Your sense of self-deprecation is commendable but you are proficient in English more than enough to communicate intelligently and clearly.

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            Most astute and eloquent observations by both you and Eddy. It could also be pointed out that most kremtrolls consider themselves as a part of a “proletariat” and as earners of rotten Russian cabbage leaves their only purpose is to sling mud against the wall with the hope that some of it will stick to the said wall. As such, the use of proper language is unimportant or beyond their grasp. That they leave to those who are better educated and informed since they are too inept or too lazy to better themselves if that is even possible.

          • Oknemfrod

            >As such, the use of proper language is unimportant or beyond their grasp.<

            True. Moreover, it's true not only with regard to their English (where certain maladroitness on their part is somewhat excusable) but also to their Russian. The degree of sheer illiteracy in the Russophone blogosphere nowadays (especially in the comment sections) is nothing short of astounding.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Oknemfrod, may I correct a mistake in your last post?
            Here I go :
            – today there are 4 countries in the EU with a larger GDP than the RF. In the case of Germany, its economy is already double the size of Russia’s…
            – today the economy of the EU is more than 10 x Russia’s.

            Of course if you use PPP figures, the difference is not so blatant.
            Then the EU economy is 5 times larger that the Russian economy and the German economy +/- the same size of the Russian one.

            But then, even these PPP figures have to be interpreted. Take out the oil, gas and mineral sector of the figures and the rest of the Russian economy pales compared to the one of the EU and the individual member states of the EU.

            If you add to that, that an awful lot of the profits and even the income of the energy and extractive industries in the RF is stolen and whisked away to safe havens in the West or spend on ridiculous conspicuous consumption (from the watches of Patriarch Kirill and Kremlin spokesman Peskov to the super yacht and the football club of Abramovich) little remains for the majority of the inhabitants of the RF.

            Apart from Piter and Moscow a lot of the RF resembles a third world economy.

          • Oknemfrod

            I stand corrected, Eddy!

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Oknemfrod, you humble me 😉

          • Oknemfrod

            Eddy, credit must be give where credit is due. Besides, one must own up to one’s mistakes and misconceptions and be grateful to those who take their time to point them out. I am.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            My pleasure 😉

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Ever visited a farm? Then you would know that it takes more than a few years to build up a single farm and a lot more time for the whole agricultural sector of an economy to grow significantly…

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Dream on, old eunuch, EU trade with Dwarfstan is not even 5% of the total volume of the EU’s trade- more like 3%. Yes, some individual companies in the EU will have problems because of the sanctions. But overall? Naaah.

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            Another fake “pearl of wisdom” from a Kremtroll buffoon.

        • zorbatheturk

          Smoke a Camel, tu rd.

        • gmab

          Yeah, that’s what the Csarina said. LOL

        • Screwdriver

          “Saakashvli is stirring up the Ukrainian people to do a second Maidan”
          Next would be number 3 already :-) and very likely to happen.

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            Too funny. “Saakashvili is stirring up the Ukrainian people to do a second Maidan”. Where did you learn how to count? Perhaps you are missing some fingers?

          • Screwdriver

            That was not my quotation, this is my reply to Rafael Hernandez mistake.

        • Ihor Dawydiak

          Ukraine has already experienced two, I repeat two Maidans. But fear not, you are not alone. Your fellow kremtroll Scrubalsky has also failed at kindergarten arithmetic.

      • Dagwood Bumstead

        Using Sobchak as a weather gauge is probably the dwarf’s way of admitting he bit off far more than he could chew when he illegally invaded and annexed the Crimea. He can’t say this himself of course, especially with elections around the corner, and he desperately wants to be duly elected again. Sobchak is harmless and an ideal vehicle to tell the Dwarfstanians “Look, we will have to give back what we stole, whether we like it or not.”
        The key question is which conditions the dwarf (or his successor) will try to impose on Kyiv for the return. One will undoubtedly be accepting Dwarfstanian armed forces on the peninsula i.e. for the treaty concerning the use of the bases to be extended in perpetuity, with the number of troops to be unilaterally decided by Moscow. Another will probably be some sort of veto right over the governing of the Crimea “to protect the ethnic Dwarfstanians”. Neither is acceptable; the very idea of ANY Dwarfstanian armed forces being allowed to remain is sheer lunacy, ditto for any Dwarfstanian influence on how the Crimea is governed. Oh, and the bridge between Kerch and Dwarfstan will have to be demolished.

        • Screwdriver

          “Dwarfstanian armed forces”
          I am with you bro…I would not trust giving arms to Dagestanians to begin with, would be better to give them independence and “build that wall!”

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            For the umpteenth time Screwie demonstrates his illiteracy…… we know you can’t read properly, Screwie. No need to keep confirming that.

    • Rafael Hernandez

      I bet if you looked outside your computer, you’d find many. But then again you like being spanked and beaten on your tender parts, right Dmytro?

      • zorbatheturk

        Farkov, you scumsucking maggot.

        • Eddy Verhaeghe

          zorbatheturk, once again I ask you to leave the insults to the lovers of Russkiy Mir. You do not advance Ukraine’s case by naming the likes of Rafael Hernandez ‘scumsucking maggots’.

          • zorbatheturk

            Sorry. Couldn’t help myself.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Says the one who has the evil eye 😀

          • zorbatheturk

            Putin’s browneye is your natural habitat.

          • Screwdriver

            Isaiah 40:3 “A voice of one calling in the wilderness”

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Zorba has the blue eye.

          • zorbatheturk

            Farkovsky.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            You have the evil eye, you are jealous. What are you going to tell your neighboors? Unless you start to act better, Allah (Bismillah ar rahman ar raheem) will punish you for having the Nazar eye

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Didn’t see you condemn the Odessa massacre, so your hypocrisy is not needed here

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Whatsaboutism and deviation form the subject in one sentence…

          • Fortranz

            It wasn’t a massacre it was a Boy Scout wiener roast that you usefuluseless-idiots at RT got the reporting wrong on.

          • gmab

            who brought all the molotov cocktails to the party?

        • Rafael Hernandez

          You need to get a nazar medal. You have the blue eye, you’re jealous!!!!

          • zorbatheturk

            Nobody is jealous of turd world RuSSia.

  • veth
    • Rafael Hernandez

      Nobody believes your lies. Give your lies a rest

      • Eddy Verhaeghe

        Look who’s talking about lies 😉 The one that is pretending that the Crimeans have a better standard of living than the Russians…

    • zorbatheturk

      Mercs on the Putin payroll. The whores of war.

  • zorbatheturk

    RuSSia must return all stolen territory period. Putin must go. Go where? To hell, preferably, but the siloviki must be totally purged from the Kremlin in perpetuity.

    • Eddy Verhaeghe

      Let the siloviki first get rid of Putin. Let them then turn on themselves in the fight over who will benefit from the disappearance from power of Putin. By the time that this struggle is over a big cull of those maffioso will already have been done.

      And by no means I want them to kill each other. I’d love to see most of them behind bars. If possible after having passed judgment by the judges in The Hague or another real court.

      As for Putin specifically, I’d love to see him sentenced for the Ilovaisk tragedy, where he clearly ordered war crimes. As I also want him to be sentenced for the threat to use woman and children as a shield by the ‘defenders’ of Russkiy Mir. A threat that was duly put into practice by those ‘defenders’ of Russkiy Mir. Another war crime…

      But in the end it will be to the ordinary Russian to rise up against the powers that be in the Kremlin.

      • Fortranz

        You are being to kind to the siloviki Eddy Verhaeghe. There won’t be another bloodless revolution in Russia as before. Know why? Because the siloviki won’t be the ones that lead this next revolution. This time it will be the real people(s) of Russia who throw-off the chains of their oppressors. And it’s surely going to be a very bloody revolution, if you ask me.

        • Eddy Verhaeghe

          Fortranz, you might be right. But I personally don’t like revolutions as they eat the very people that started them.
          I would very much like that the Russians are for once capable of breaking their chains without to much bloodshed.

          • Fortranz

            I agree, however, given the history of Russia, I find it hard to see how they will be able to do as you say. Bloodshed is unfortunate but in this case it may be necessary.

      • Ihor Dawydiak

        Putin should be sentenced to at least 30 years imprisonment (without parole and in solitary confinement). That would put him into his mid nineties should he even live to that age.

        • Dagwood Bumstead

          And to torment the dwarf during his time in the nick, put a huge pile of $$$$ bills in the cell next to his, which he can see but can’t touch. In the cell on the other side of his, put a few little boys, whom he can also see but can’t touch either.

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            A possibility but why torture the pederast when there are equally potent options that would receive much less unwanted publicity such as out of sight, out of mind? Just turn off the lights in a cell without windows and explain to him that mushrooms thrive in the dark.

  • Screwdriver

    Whoever is questioning Crimea reunification is set to fail on Russian elections.
    Navalny has much better chances (if he allowed to participate in elections), he is going to keep Crimea.

    • Oknemfrod

      Navalny has as much chances at winning this “election” as you do at all of a sudden starting to speak Ukrainian the next time you join your sovok buddies for an event at some sovok-style restaurant north east off Philly.

      • Screwdriver

        And you did not pay attention,…. I only said that he has more chances winning the jackpot then Sobchak. Obviously it is not going to happen though.
        P.S. My Ukrainian is getting better, in a sovok style “Gastronom”, NE Philly , on the corner of Bustleton and Red Lion, the owner Ruslan (who is from Lviv) replies to me in Ukrainian when I try to talk Ukrainian to him.
        My wife was shocked the other day, when I said to her “Bud` laska”, I noticed that I really started to like Ukrainian language, and watching channel “Ukraine 112” (almost every day) really helps.

        • Oknemfrod

          I’ts a logical impossibility. If A=1 and B=2, it doesn’t mean that B has more chances of being 10 than A.
          p.s. Good for you – learning Ukrainian is a good way of clearing at least some vata neurons from the brain. But if you’ve already stooped so low that you can speak with “ragul`s”, as you call them at every twist and turn, you can try two ladies behind the smoked fish counter at NetCost in the Leo mall. Just don’t forget to address them as “shanovna pani”.

          • Screwdriver

            I do not even think of “ragul” about every other person from Western Ukraine, I always respect people I meet, unless I know something bad about them.
            P.S. Two ladies behind the smoked fish counter at NetCost in the Leo mall do not look like shanovni panis to me, one looks like she is from Uzbekistan. They transferred some people to they newly opened location on Welsh Rd.

          • Oknemfrod

            Last time I was there between July 1 and 7, and there behind the counter was by a girl named Oksana from Volyn` with whom I ended up having a lovely chat in her native language.

          • Screwdriver

            I used to hit on those Ukrainian girls, back in the days, those times are gone now :-( but very good memories. I remember I was very surprised that one girl from Rivne kept calling me “vy” even that we were dating, I could not get it … then I learned she is the same way with her own parents, – that was cultural shock for me.
            Next time you in the area try to check Netcost on Welsh Rd. , it is much better, less crowded, even better food choices.

          • Oknemfrod

            In my HS in Kyiv, we had a fantastic math teacher, originally from Lviv and educated there. He was the only teacher who always addressed any student (regardless of the age/grade) as “Vy”, and whenever he had to call a pupil by the last name, he never did it without preceding it with “pan” or “pani”, whether it was in his class or outside it.

          • Screwdriver

            Ukrainians in our area mostly from Western Ukraine, and very nice people so far. Many people I know personally. Sometimes I look at them and I try to imagine..would they kill innocent Jewish women or not, (even under the circumstances) ?
            I wish I could talk to those Lviv locals who were wearing good clothing, some men in suits with fashion hats, some wearing vyshavankas ,(by looking at many photos) torturing and killing they next door neighbors, polish Jews in Lviv, June 1941…and ask – Shanovni Pan, sho Vy robite ?

      • veth

        TV anchor and the candidate for the presidency in Russia Ksenia Sobchak claimed that a new independent referendum should take place in annexed Crimea as Interfax reported.

        ‘Russia violated the international commitments and it is the main starting point. Russian people live in Crimea and there are a lot of them. We cannot treat them as the subjects of the geopolicy. The policy that is not for people is the bad policy’, Sobchak claimed.

        Related: Ukraine’s MFA protests against arrest ​​extention for Ukrainian Balukh in Crimea
        ‘I see the way out of the crisis and unfair situation through a new referendum that provides different points of view’, she said.

        Sobchak also claimed that she will not campaign in Crimea.

        Crimea is Ukraine. A new fake referendum will not change that.

    • Eddy Verhaeghe

      Screwdriver, for once I agree with part of this post, i.e. “Whoever is questioning Crimea reunification is set to fail on Russian elections.”
      As for the last part of your post, There is indeed little chance that Navalny will be allowed to participate in the elections. But even if he is, there’s no chance whatsoever that he will win those elections. And even if he would win them, Russia in the end will not be allowed to keep the Crimea…

      • Screwdriver

        I hope one day, maybe not this time, somebody like Navalny wins the elections.
        “Russia in the end will not be allowed to keep the Crimea..”
        Who will not allow it ? :-)
        Turkey captured part of Cyprus, and keeps it for a long time already , nothing happened, and nothing will happen.
        Look at Taiwan, Hollan Heights, Maldive Islands, etc..etc…

        • Eddy Verhaeghe

          Who will not allow it ? :-)
          Those that will have to save Russia financially, next time it collapses.

          • Screwdriver

            USSR collapsed because of the non-capitalist economy system. It is very different now, I do not see how Russia would collapse. And it seems that “Sanctions” are actually good for Russian economy, believe it or not.
            “Russian Gold Reserves Hit Putin-Era High” http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-02/russian-gold-reserves-hit-putin-era-high-buying-frenzy-accelerates
            P.S Do you know how much USA owes to China ?

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            The USSR collapsed because it spent too much on its military for an economy of its size.
            The RF will also collapse because it is again spending too much on its military for an economy of its size. Even when the price of hydrocarbons was much higher Alexei Kudrin, the former finance minister warned that the RF could not afford the modernisation of the Russian Army.
            The USSR indeed also collapsed because of the way its economy was run.
            The RF will also collapse because of the way its economy is run, with the state being involved in too many sectors and with the rest of the economy being run by oligarchs that are more interested in rent seeking than in modernising and expanding its economy. On top of that those oligarchs and a large part of the siloviki that run state enterprises skim the profits for their own benefit and invest a large part of those profits in tax havens if they don’t squander them in conspicious consumption.
            And the last reason why the RF will collapse is the fact that in the multicultural and multi ethnic ‘federation’ it is, the dissatisfaction of the non-Russian part of the population is already brewing much more than it was in the old USSR, that until the very end suppressed the non-Russians.

          • Screwdriver

            I am not even going there, very time consuming…
            But I tell you this….This reminds me predictions made by many in 1917, about how fast “bolsheviki” will collapse in a year or two, ….there were plenty good arguments, but they hold until Gorbachev, and still… Empire changed a little, but still very much alive. Looks like authoritarian regimes can have longer survival capacities….
            You correct that non-Russian population can disintegrate, like Chechnya or Dagestan, but in my view it would be actually good for Russia, they do not need to feed so many for no reason. For the Great Britain leaving India was rather good thing, not bad thing.
            Crimea is different. Predominantly Russian population , extremely devoted to mother Russia, they hate Kiev regime with passion, they Russian bond is undetachable in foreseeable future .

          • zorbatheturk

            Classic krembot deflection from the fact that RuSSia is broke and its economy is going down the crapper sideways.