Putin’s Russian world seeks to offer others 12 unattractive values, Sytin says

Image: Alexander Petrosyan

Image: Alexander Petrosyan 

Analysis & Opinion, Russia

Aleksandr Sytin was recently on a Moscow television show hosted by Vladimir Solovyev about the values Vladimir Putin’s Russian world seeks to offer other peoples. Solovyev did not give the Russian historian the chance to present his ideas, and so Sytin has posted online 12 such Russian values.

Sytin’s dozen clearly show why Putin’s Russian world project is unlikely to be successful beyond the borders of his country. Indeed, most of the values the historian points to are so off-putting that it is no surprise that an employee of a Russian government TV station would be all too ready to cut him off.

The 12 values Sytin identifies include:

1. “The chief value for Russians is territory, its size.” This is “absolutely irrational” because “the larger part of it is unsuitable for life” and is left unused.

2. “For Russians, the state plays a sacred role,” defining the position of all of them in relation to itself and creating in them “a pathological feature of being without the paternalistic concern of the state” or of taking responsibility for themselves.

3. “Russians are incapable of self-organization without an external stimulus and organizing force. The exceptions concern chiefly military activity – the peasant revolts, Minin, Yermak, and the Cossacks.”

4. “Russians have not mastered the culture of work.” They view it as “God’s curse” and will use “any pretext to minimize their efforts.”

5. “They are extremely arrogant toward other nations especially those less numerous or smaller in territory than their own.” Without knowledge, they are proud of their own history and ignorant about the history of almost everyone else.

6. “Unlike their close Western Slavic neighbors, the Poles, the Ukrainians, and Belarusians, the Russians do not value education highly.”

7. “They arrogantly treat those who are physically weaker than they are. They are absolutely without pity to those with physical handicaps or infectious illnesses” and they are cruel to “women, children and animals.”

8. No one should trust anything a Russian says.

9. Russian society cannot be called anything other than bestial, with drunkenness, force, pedophilia, hostility to old people “even their own relatives” all being the norm and reflecting “the very lowest level of human morality.”

10. “Russians fear and do not accept any changes.” Stability and “certainty about tomorrow” are for them central and defining values.

11. “Russians lack the ability to live, to show what the French call ‘savoir vivre.’” They may acquire money but they will never display a serious aesthetic. “Look at their cities! Only St. Petersburg can pretend to the rank of city, and that with qualifications. All the rest are faceless agglomerations.”

12. Russians are given to nostalgia, something that saps their will and the ability to “take decisions. Only in Russian literature is there a tradition of the phenomenon of ‘superfluous men,’ people who above all else haven’t found their place in government activity.”

Any non-Russian who would say any of these things would be denounced immediately as a Russophobe. For a Russian to say all of them is damning indeed.

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  • Terry Washington

    I agree- this is more “Russophobic” than any other nation- not even the Poles- woul dare say in public- and coming from the mouth of a Russian at that, is doubly damning. Just as Nikita Khrushchev’s “secret speech” in 1956 condemning Stalin was the most damning indictment of the Soviet system by a Soviet leader, of Communism by a Communist, to quote Bertram Wolfe!

    • https://allowlive.com/floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-live-stream/ showtime sports fight 2017

      “Unlike their close Western Slavic neighbors, the Poles, the Ukrainians, and Belarusians, the Russians do not value education highly.”

  • Scradje

    Sounds about right. Interesting to observe how putinoid scum in media such as rt, infowars, sputnik, as well as Lievrov and western based kremtroll volunteers, all use ‘Russiaphobe’ as a pejorative when it is of course perfectly normal for people to fear an evil fascist power armed with nukes that murders its neighbours and steals their land.

    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

      “an evil fascist power armed with nukes that murders its neighbours and steals their land” supported by CNN and various other main stream fake news outlets is a perfect description of United States of America.

      For details:
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d907394e52cd8cf319a34d9bec8e2ae885ba90ae8bd967f8c9d059555eaa93b1.jpg

      • Steve

        Nice of you to show us William Blum without telling us he is anti-American and holds very socialist views. Go do your home work but you can start with this: “Blum left the State Department in 1967 and became a founder and editor of the Washington Free Press, the first “alternative” newspaper in the capital. In 1969, he wrote and published an exposé of the CIA in which were revealed the names and addresses of more than 200 CIA employees” means he betrayed his fellow Americans. Seems Blum has a “hard on” for the CIA since he was denied a job as a Foreign Service Officer.

        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

          Nice of you not to hide the fact that you are on the side of the biggest and the most unscrupulous killer “nation” in the History of Humanity.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e140e9fbaafbf24cdcef5923bfe7cda7943489b2efabb38bce17608d76b4a853.jpg

          • Steve

            We could start with Stalin and all his purges…… And those missing due to the NKVD, GRU, KGB, FSB, occupation (and killings) of Georgia, Moldova, Eastern Ukraine, Crimea…… And don’t forget MH-17

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Don’t even start – all pathologically dishonest killers like yourself ALWAYS have an excuse for committing more murder.

          • Randolph Carter

            “One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic,” said Joseph Stalin
            (1879-1953). It is estimated that between 20 to 40 million people,
            mostly Russians, were killed by Stalin during his dictatorship
            (1924-1953). Stalin, the Soviet dictator, not only exterminated
            purported “enemies of the peoples” but also liquidated almost the entire
            slate of communist Bolshevik leaders, who had been his and Lenin’s
            friends during the Russian Revolution of 1917. The Great Leader, Joseph
            Stalin, in fact, killed in peacetime more communists of all
            nationalities, than all his fascist, Nazi, and Western democratic
            enemies combined.”

            http://www.haciendapub.com/articles/stalin-communists-and-fatal-statistics

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            More to the point, United States of America is a modern day reincarnation of Joseph Stalin’s “philosophy”, taken on a new level of
            Full Spectrum Dominance:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8ed17253e5363c2bdde270a964c07d5473e419b96d19a0c3812b96f3d8ab11aa.jpg

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dcd66425330f818690e2eb82211b89eedc1a052ec35714c0a95a85c315d727bf.jpg

          • Randolph Carter
          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            More salo, gorilka damaged hero ?

          • Randolph Carter

            Yes, folks, we have a winner…!!! Wow, you hung on for 13 hours before playing the Jewish card – I bet that’s a new record for you. Notice that you did not address a single point in my display of Russian military equipment after your comment about “Full Spectrum Dominance”. Try “Waxy Yellow Buildup” or “Melts in your Mouth, not in your Hands” and see if you can do better.

            I’ve never touched горілка, but 2 parts Stoli and 4 parts lemonade would be tasty right now. Fetch me one, but make sure it’s chilled not cold and the lemonade is real and not from a mix. I’ll try горілка when I get to a civilized country, you know, like Ukraine. I’ll have the Stoli at home where I don’t have to worry about Krokodil-besotted thugs attacking me, desperate for their mix of heroin and kerosene…

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Have you actually said something, gorilka damaged hero ?

            Russian military equipment is second to none and having no respect for a well respected Jewish publication is typical of unenlightened idiots like you.

          • Randolph Carter

            Can you actually read, brain-damaged moron?

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            No you can’t, mentally deranged idiot.

          • Randolph Carter

            “Russian military equipment is second to none…” puts a whole new perspective on who’s striving for “Full Spectrum Dominance”, doesn’t it?

            BTW, your “well-respected Jewish publication” is nothing more than an anti-Semitic opinion piece on how Genrikh Yagoda was the GPU’s deputy commander. Surprise, there are good Jews and bad Jews, just like good/bad Russians and Americans (though Russia seems to have a surplus lately), Casting aspersions on an entire race/religion based on one man kinda looks different if we take Stalin and Russia, да?

          • Randolph Carter

            Sorry, I have to go do real work now, as opposed to being a Kremlin paid troll…I’ll be back later to read whatever your sad little mind has come up with.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            do carry on talking to yourself, obnoxious pillock.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            nyet, brainless durak.

          • Brent

            So Russia was “defending” itself against those evil Syrian hospitals in Aleppo???

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Have you said something, gas ?

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Randolph, leave the insults to Styx and his like.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Eddy, you make no sense, as per usual.

          • Brent

            If that Russian military equipment is so awesome, how come Putin’s idea of his fabled “Novorossiya” much smaller than he dreamed it would be?

            That looks more like “Novo-Delaware” to me…..

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/60c9b16a8c71818204f34415ea4d59cb9002e41a07ed5be856b24481dfe7293f.jpg turned out so

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            More toxic gas from the same old ass ..

          • Brent

            Same old “Ian”….with the same old feckless ineffective attempts at debating….

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            There is nothing to debate with a raving lunatic like yourself.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            I am sure Novorossiya will be going home eventually, no matter what a raving lunatic like yourself thinks of it.

          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU2qoKn-n3Y Simba Kijani

            Privyet staryy drug! Mind if I cut in?

            is-a-cunt.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/23duran_htm_m6b17faf0.gif

          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU2qoKn-n3Y Simba Kijani

            Another post about William Blum? I have another title to add to your reading list. Or perhaps you’ve already read it?

            http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101004195121/uncyclopedia/images/4/45/Cheese_cover_copy.jpg

          • NATOcracy

            That citation is from Remark’s “The Black Obelisk”.
            And 147 million people lived in the USSR in 1926 and in 19377 that number was 171 million.

          • zorbatheturk

            Latvian director Edvins Snore 2008 documentary The Soviet Story shows RuSSia’s crimes all too well. The SS actually went to Stalin’s RuSSia to study how to set up concentration camps. RuSSians are unbelievable in their denial of Soviet evil.

          • Brent

            Oh look, the noted troll “Che Guevera” has also been assigned to this site with you and is upvoting you!!!

            Or maybe that’s you’re OTHER personality???

            “Ian”, you really are nuttier than squirrel turd https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cb483cef779f02aedf043e9e07109a41cd9e3a31becb4c690c862e2191154420.jpg ……

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Anything else while you are at it, Eddy Verhaegen’s on duty bum boy?

          • Brent

            How long until you get banned THIS TIME “Ian”???

            I give it less than a week and you’re punted…..

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Your own locked ward awaits.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            As for your “Anything else while you are at it, Eddy Verhaegen’s on duty bum boy?” the beautiful Dutch saying : ‘Waar het hart van vol is, daar loopt de mond van over’ springs to my mind.

            “If someone is enthusiastic about something, he’ll always be talking about it.”
            We could of course also have a chat about ‘anal regression’ if you are interested in the subject. I’m sure that you know about discussion boards that specialize in the subject.
            I’m sure that most participants here would love to see the focus of your mind come to fruition there.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            I am not interested in talking about your extreme depravity and complex psycho sexual difficulties exacerbated by chronic anal retention.

            You should talk to your GP about it.

      • Murf

        Jesus where did they find you?
        I didn’t realize the St Petes Troll Factory was so hard up for help. What a amateur. What aboutism
        and deflections won’t cut it here.
        You sound like an 8 year old school kid on the play ground saying ” I know you are but what am I?”
        Why don’t you go back up and address some of the issues brought up in the article or the bankrupting of Russia?

        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

          There are no issues to address in the “article”.

          It is one hundred percent fake and you know it.

          As for your petulant insults – you are a well known commercially motivated troll who has absolutely NOTHING to say.

          • Murf

            “You are a well known commercially motivated troll.”
            Well known huh?
            Thanks for the compliment.
            Nice to know my efforts are appreciated.
            Can’t say the same for you unfortunately.
            On the business:
            If it’s fake prove it.
            Put your big boy pants on, do some research and present your facts.
            Did we make those statements?
            Is the individual being quoted correctly?
            You see then it becomes “fake news”.
            Otherwise it’s just that you don’t like his opinion but only have snarky internet troll remarks.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            “Put your big boy pants” and be off, obnoxious troll.
            Unadulterated hogwash is all you are capable of.
            Naturally, I am in no way inspired by it ..

          • Murf

            And still you can’t refute the article.
            Typical.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            There is nothing to refute.

            The article is one hundred percent fake.

          • Murf

            Sounds Great!
            We’re do I apply?
            To bad they don’t target English sites.
            You must not have read that part of the article.
            Amature mistake.
            As several of your toll associates can tell you, if you cite a source with me, you better know what is in it.
            I almost always check them.
            A nickel’s worth of free advice.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            In the actual fact they do “target English sites” these days, “as several of your toll associates can tell you”.
            As for your useless “advice” – do keep it to yourself.

          • Murf

            Well I guess in your case ignorance is bliss.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Your case is plain and simple.
            It begins with nut ..

          • Murf

            Back to: “I know you are but what am I?”
            Remember about putting on your big boy pants;
            Give it try, you might be surprised at the results.
            You might even loose the need suck your thumb.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Back to: Go f. yourself – sick, sticky item of adolescent slime.
            Only a short sharp kick into your teeth might cure your borderline personality disorder. Sadly, I am unable to help you.
            But I am sure sooner or later you will meet your match.
            You are done.

          • Murf

            Now your down to dropping F bombs.
            God you ran out of ideas quik.
            You now Ian, you never were very go at this.
            Why don’t go over to the “My little Pony” discussion board they are more your speed.

        • Brent

          “Styx” used to go by the name of “Ian Rutherford”. He gets banned by these sites regularly and comes back under a different name every so often but it’s still the same mindless drivel and Neo-Nazzi propaganda from him…

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Yes, it is a common knowledge that you keep posting “the same mindless drivel and Neo-Nazzi propaganda” and get away with it.

            Not for much longer though. Your own locked ward awaits.

          • Brent

            in your mother tongue…NYET.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            In my mother tongue: go to hell.

          • Murf

            Yeah I thought it sounded like him.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            You thought .. What a joke.
            You never had anything to think with.
            It’s your b. side that does the talking.
            You must be directly related to JerseyJeff78 after all.

          • Murf

            “B side”
            Is that today’s “word of the day” on your calendar?

        • Turtler

          “I didn’t realize the St Petes Troll Factory was so hard up for help. ”

          They’re not hard up for help, they’re just a “Quantity over Quality” institution.

          And they certainly don’t have anything to do with St. Peter.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            You know nothing of quality, turtler.
            St Pete is a lovely city completely free of sticky, disgusting slime like you and the smurk and I am sure it will stay that way.

      • Brent

        Quoting “Veteran’s Today”?!?!?!?! Too f*cking funny!!!

        Thanks for outing yourself as the Neo-Nazzi you really are!!!

        What’s next? Using Alex Jones as your source on “marital harmony”???

        You are one gullible sorry loser!!!

        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

          You are suffering from oral flatulence again, obnoxious old fart.
          Sod off.

          • Brent

            “Ian”, you’re still suffering from the same delusional stupidity that got you fired from your job cleaning up squirrel turds in the park….

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Yes, “you’re still suffering from the same delusional stupidity that got you fired from your job cleaning up squirrel turds in the park”.
            Now do sod off.

          • Brent

            I can’t believe the Kremlin still pays you for posting such drivel and nonsense!!! They must be really scraping the barrel to keep you employed….

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            How much are you paid for trolling me, mentally deranged gas ?

          • Brent

            Unlike you “Ian the Moron”, I do it for free!!!

            It’s quite enjoyable pointing out to you and others what a useless lying piece of Russo Nazzi squirrel turd you really are!

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            No you don’t, mentally deranged gas.

            Self-described “Ukro Nazzi squirrel turd” you certainly are and will die being one. In your local loony bin that is.

          • zorbatheturk

            All krembots are tu RDS.

    • veth

      IN YOUR BLOODY FACE, PUTIN…………….READ………………………

      Poroshenko, European leaders discuss Marshall Plan for Ukraine

      Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has announced Ukraine has discussed with the European Union the possibility of developing a new long-term economic support plan similar to a Marshall Plan, a comprehensive U.S. program of support for Europe after World War II.

      Economy 19:55, 13 July 2017

      Poroshenko met with Tusk and Juncker on July 13 /Photo from UNIAN “Today we’ve discussed the possibility of a new long-term plan for support of Ukraine, which was proposed at the European People’s Party summit, a kind of a Marshall Plan for Ukraine, as well as the use of by Ukraine of funds of the EU’s external investment plan,” Poroshenko said at a press conference after a meeting with President of the European Council Donald Tusk and President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker on the sidelines of the Ukraine-EU summit in Kyiv on Thursday, July 13. According to the Ukrainian president, Ukraine has an ambitious economic integration plan, which foresees accession to the EU customs union, the Schengen zone, the digital market and the energy union in future. “This is strong impetus to the implementation of economic, social, sectoral and other reforms, the growth of our common trade and investment,” Poroshenko stressed.

      Read more on UNIAN: https://www.unian.info/economics/2027914-poroshenko-european-leaders-discuss-marshall-plan-for-ukraine.html

  • Oknemfrod

    Said by a guy who appears to know the most prominent traits of his brethren exceptionally well. Next comes the question of what ought to be done about it. And the obvious answer, like in the ancient times, is “Carthago delenda est”, though Carthage didn’t really deserve it while the subject of the discussion by all means does.

    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

      “Next comes the question of what ought to be done about it.”

      A quick sharp application of a steam hammer between your gorilka / salo loaded eyes would fix the “question” once and for all. Simple ..

      • Steve

        My My My advocating violence. You have no argument then.

        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

          Oh, you poor thing – you never read or understood this passage, did you – “And the obvious answer, like in the ancient times, is “Carthago delenda est”, though Carthage didn’t really deserve it while the subject of the discussion by all means does.”

          Have a nice cup of camomile tea followed by a nap in order to avoid falling apart ..

        • Dagwood Bumstead

          Violence is all that Dwarfstan is capable of. It can’t even begin to provide proper health care for its own citizens, but the demented pedophile dwarf devotes billions to oppressing them.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            All in your head that is, gorilka damaged bum.

    • Dagwood Bumstead

      Not even Dwarfstan’s supposedly closest allies, Belarus and Kazakhstan, trust Moscow. Says it all, really, when your “friends” don’t trust you.

      As to what should be done…….. nothing. Let Dwarfstan destroy itself. The demented dwarf is doing that very nicely thanks to his incredibly stupid policies. He doesn’t need any help apart from a few judicious prods to speed up the process of self-destruction and implosion.
      Things will start to get REALLY interesting when the last reserve, the National Welfare Fund, has been squandered by the end of 2018. The 1990s will seem like Happy Times in comparison to those Dwarfstanians old enough to remember them.

      • Oknemfrod

        Precisely.

      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

        Dream on, gorilka damaged hero.

        • Dagwood Bumstead

          Look at the facts, old eunuch….. if you can. Dwarfstan is broke. Both Finance Minister Anton Siluanov and Tatyana Golikova, Head of Dwarfstan’s National Accounting Bureau, have stated in the Duma that the Reserve Fund will be empty sometime in 2017, leaving only the Welfare Fund of $80 billion to be plundered for the dwarf’s insane plans and wars- wars he can’t win by the way. The Welfare Fund, intended for pensions and other social expenditures, will be empty by the end of 2018. Then what?
          Dwarfstan’s state and semi-state banks and companies (e.g. Sberbank, Gazprom) collectively owe some $600 billion. Dwarfstan doesn’t have $600 billion. The oil price hovers between $45 and $55 per barrel, well below what the demented dwarf needs to balance the current state budget. It won’t go up as US oil production is steadily increasing, taking up any production cuts by OPEC and others.
          Because of the sanctions nobody in the West will lend Dwarfstan any money. Nor will China; for reasons of its own Peking wants a weak Dwarfstan- and the weaker the better.

          The only way out for the dwarf is to stop his aggression against Kyiv and hand back the occupied Donbas and Crimea. But he is obsessed with his visions of a Russkii Mir, so he won’t do what’s sensible, and Dwarfstan wil continue on its trajectory towards self-destruction.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            You know nothing of facts, brainless bum.

            Looking at the barrel of a gun which you’ve been asking for, for far too long – is ALL you are left with:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e6aea3ca8673ccdfc05330e9c4ab1414921bd877590c117b9325e4a6194d5f2.jpg

            The only way for the obese killer hog in Kyiv to avoid the same fate is to stop killing proud people of Donbass and abandon his idiotic dream of Crimea ever “being returned” to his fascist regime by grotesquely obese NATO. Crimea is gone home. And Russia is able AND willing to engage both NATO and US Army SIMULTANEOUSLY if the sick, repulsive items of slime would ever dare to “retake” it.

            Self-destruction is ALL that is left for you lot. Get on with it.

          • Brent

            Looking at the picture is like looking inside your head….all that is there is an EMPTY CHAMBER…..

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            “Empty chamber” you certainly are, mentally deranged troll.

          • Murf

            Wow you talk so much and yet say so little.
            The preverbrial dyahorria of words with a constipation of thought.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Well, you don’t have a head to start with.
            It’s your b.side that does the “talking’.

          • Murf

            And yet you are the one who can only use troll snarkyness. You can’t present a single fact or reasoned argument.
            You would be dangerous if your B side was talking.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            No, you can’t present a single fact or reasoned argument.
            Just sick, disgusting slime.

            Blocked.

          • Murf

            Poor little Ian can’t take the heat.
            He demands facts but can’t give them or refute the ones presented.
            All he has is snarky Troll comments.
            Looks like he has pasted his level of incompetence.

        • Eddy Verhaeghe

          Styx, your insults aren’t arguments. They simply show that you lack arguments…

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees,
            only the insults which are coming from the animals you support and encourage count as “arguments” ..

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            ‘All my posts are factual first and foremost’?

            As your ‘Russian economy is in a better shape than any other European economy.’?

            I didn’t know that the Russian economy is in a better shape than the German one. And the German economy isn’t the only one in Western Europe that is in a much better shape than the Russian one…

            As your ‘And Russia is able AND willing to engage both NATO and US Army SIMULTANEOUSLY if the sick, repulsive items of homicidal slime would ever dare to “retake” it.’?

            Why then are the powers that be in the Kremlin so afraid of the token posting by NATO of a few brigades in the Baltics, Poland and if I’m not mistaken in Romania? Knowing a little bit about military affairs I always read that to be dangerous (i.e. for an offensive against the RF) NATO would need 3 to 4 time as divisions as the RF has posted along its western borders…

            ‘I have never came across of a more shameless individual than you.’

            I wonder if you’ll be surprised that I take this remark, coming from you, as a compliment?

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            German economy is dependant on technically bankrupt Euro currency therefore German economy is in a very perilous state.

            Russia is not afraid of anything and is fully prepared to confront NATO if and when necessary.

            Do take my remark as a compliment, I know you are very proud of your extreme depravity.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            ‘Germany’s economy is dependant on a technically bankrupt Euro.’?

            Before the € Germany’s economy adapted itself regularly to the revaluations of the German Mark (DM). In my lifetime I saw the DM rise from +/- 10 Belgian franks (BEF) to the DM to more than 20 BEF to the DM and still the German economy outcompeted everybody in Europe…

            So, as much as the German economy profited from a € that is too cheap for it, the Germans would again adapt.

            By the way, if the € didn’t exist or would unravel I probably would have to pay 25 BEF or more to buy 1 DM.

            ‘Russia is not afraid of anything and is fully prepared to confront NATO if and when necessary.’?

            Winning or losing wars has very little to do with being afraid or not. And much, much more with the economic strength of the opposing economies.

            Just pray to the Gods that the West or the RF don’t go to war.

            As I doubt the preparedness of the Russian Army, I’m fairly certain that the in a conventional war the West would win in the end.

            But the suffering would be immense and that is the reason that the West is so apprehensive to take on the powers that be in the Kremlin.

            And there is always the risk that the losing party would use the nuclear option… so that there would not be a winner al all. Remember the line in ‘First Person’, Putin’s so-called ‘biography’, about a cornered rat…

            ‘Do take my remark as a compliment, I know you are very proud of your extreme depravity.’

            Again I take your insult as a compliment as it proves that you need insults, because of your lack of arguments.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            As I said before – you have nothing to say, eddy.
            And I am well used to it.

          • NATOcracy

            There would be no conventional war between the powers that posses nuclear weapons. Keep that in mind.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            “I’m fairly certain that the in a conventional war the West would win in the end.”

            Absolutely baseless rubbish, worthy only of mentally deranged idiots like brent.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Hmmmm…… last time I checked the euro is worth about 67-68 rubbles, which hardly suggests a failed currency. If any currency is “technically bankrupt” it’s the Dwarfstanian rubble. A few years ago one needed less than 40 rubbles to buy one euro, now almost double. It won’t be long before you will need 100 rubbles to buy one euro, given that Dwarfstan’s foreign reserves are being burnt up to support senseless wars which the demented dwarf can’t win.
            Dwarfstan will end up like Venezuela or Zimbabwe; an apt comparison given that all three are led by crackpots- Pedo Putolini, Maduro and Mugabe- and have no economy worth mentioning.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            I know you can’t help dreaming.
            Get on with it all the way to your local loony bin ..

          • NATOcracy
          • Brent

            “Ian”, you’re still the same old lying useless mindless idiot you were three years ago. You always will be….let me guess, next you’ll quote “Veteran’s Today”….or “Global Research”….or “Alex Jones”….

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees, you’re still the same “old lying useless mindless idiot” in need of a good kick in your teeth, brainless gas.

            As I said before – I can’t help you with that, sorry.

            Now sod off, useless old fart.

          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU2qoKn-n3Y Simba Kijani
      • Tchitcherine

        Well, the EU countries, and Norway, should take measures to repel any illegal immigration from Russia.

    • Ihor Dawydiak

      The truth can only hurt those who lie and for those who cannot distinguish the difference between a truth and a lie, then where is their ability to reason? Then, by logical extension, why would so many ethnic Russians within the Russian Federation (and others of their ilk) “decide” to descend into the the animal kingdom (with all due respect to the animal kingdom)? Is it a matter of “ignorance is bliss” or is it a matter of “safety in numbers”? Finally, what does this say about their status as human beings?

    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

      One of the key media sources who blamed the DNC hacks on Russia, is a Ukrainian-American lobbyist working for the DNC. She is Alexandra Chalupa, founder and president of the Ukrainian lobby group “US United With Ukraine Coalition”, which lobbied hard to pass a 2014 bill increasing loans and military aid to Ukraine and imposing sanctions on Russians. Is Chalupa and the DNC behind PropOrNot?

      We know that at least one member of PropOrNot is “Ukrainian-American” and they had made a handful of early Ukrainian-language tweets, parroting Ukrainian ultranationalist slogans. One PropOrNot tweet, dated November 17, invokes a 1940s Ukrainian fascist salute “Heroiam Slava!!” to cheer a news item on Ukrainian hackers fighting Russians. The phrase means “Glory to the heroes” and it was formally introduced by the fascist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) at their March-April 1941 congress in Nazi occupied Cracow.

      Two months after formalizing this salute, Nazi forces allowed Bandera’s Ukrainian fascists to briefly take control of Lvov, at the time a predominantly Jewish and Polish city—whereupon the Ukrainian “patriots” murdered, tortured and raped thousands of Jews, Poles and Russians in one of the most barbaric and bloodiest pogroms ever.

      Since the 2014 Maidan Revolution brought Ukrainian neo-fascists back into the highest rungs of power, Ukraine’s Nazi collaborators and wartime fascists have been rehabilitated as heroes, with major highways and roads named after them, and public commemorations.

      The Clinton foundation has received millions from these Ukrainian Oligarchs who now have control of the parliament (Rada) and are currently attempting the removal of ethnic Russians from Donbass in what can only be described as a campaign of ethnic cleansing to dilute the numbers of pro Russian voters. If you kill enough pro Russians then they can not vote against you, and what better place to kill pro Russian voters than the region that voted 90% for Yanukovych.

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU2qoKn-n3Y Simba Kijani

        If you’re going to copy and paste someone else’s words you really ought to place them in quotations and provide a citation, plagiarist prat.

      • Turtler

        “One of the key media sources who blamed the DNC hacks on Russia, is a
        Ukrainian-American lobbyist working for the DNC.”

        Ya, and that’s one reason why I didn’t accept those accusations when the DNC can’t even be arsked to have it through the UN.

        “She is Alexandra Chalupa, founder and president of the Ukrainian lobby group “US United
        With Ukraine Coalition”, which lobbied hard to pass a 2014 bill
        increasing loans and military aid to Ukraine and imposing sanctions on
        Russians. Is Chalupa and the DNC behind PropOrNot?”

        Probably not, if only because the DNC has its’ head so far up its’ own rear end dealing with the interference meme its’ effectiveness is minimal.

        “We know that at least one member of PropOrNot is “Ukrainian-American” and they had made
        a handful of early Ukrainian-language tweets, parroting Ukrainian
        ultranationalist slogans. ”

        Unlike you, who parrots Fascist Kremlin nonsense.

        “One PropOrNot tweet, dated November 17, invokes a 1940s Ukrainian fascist salute “Heroiam Slava!!” ”

        Firstly chowderhead, “Heroyam Slava’ is not a “Fascist” Ukrainian salute, the original use of it well predates the existence of Fascism in Italy. Euromaidan Press actually did a fairly comprehensive overview of this one.

        http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/06/13/a-short-history-of-the-ukrainian-greeting-slava-ukrayini/

        Secondly: I see your one Ukrainian fascist Salute and raise you a whole SLEW of Russian ones.

        https://sovereignukraine.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/russo-fascist-salute.jpg?w=1280

        https://sovereignukraine.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/rne-salute.jpg

        “The phrase means “Glory to the heroes” ”

        Indeed.

        “and it was formally introduced by the fascist-”

        WRONG.

        Again, it was used by Cossack fighters at MINIMUM during the chaotic civil wars and Bolshevik invasion after the German defeat, between about 1918 and 1921. When Fascism was at most a fringe ideology in Italian politics and when nobody had even HEARD of the OUN, let alone the UPA.

        But hey, what’s fact checking to do with a chowderhead?

        “Two months after formalizing this salute, Nazi forces allowed Bandera’s Ukrainian fascists to briefly take control of Lvov, -”

        Firstly: No they didn’t, this is why the primary killing units in the Lvov massacres were Einstasgruppen, not Ukrainian militia (though many were involved there).

        And secondly: “Allowed.” How cute…

        FIrstly chowderhead, the NSDAP was not in a position to “allow” the UPA to do much except operate, and it ESPECIALLY was not in a position to dictate their movements on SOVIET HELD TURF. Indeed, that is one reason why Hitler briefly allied with the farqing OUN and UPA, because they had agents in place and guerrilla cells that had been operating on Soviet soil for YEARS and so were used as pathfinders, rear area disruption, and other support roles by the Reich. Which was why in the early months of Barbarossa the Germans were limited to asserting control over territory and denying the OUN the ability to dominate affairs rather than dictating where they moved.

        “at the time a predominantly Jewish and Polish city—whereupon the Ukrainian “patriots” murdered, tortured and raped thousands of Jews, Poles and Russians in one of the most barbaric and bloodiest pogroms ever.”

        Uh no.

        The Lvov pogrom was an utterly barbaric atrocity, but it was ANYTHING but one of the “bloodiest pogroms.” in fact, just one month EARLIER across the Romanian border, the little known Iasi Pogrom carried out by Antonescu’s government murdered more than DOUBLE the highest estimate for those killed in Lviv.

        And again. it would PALE in comparison to the pogroms that would come, such as the Kurapaty Massacre by the Reich and indeed the OUN’s later pogrom spree in Volhynia.

        “Since the 2014 Maidan Revolution brought Ukrainian neo-fascists back into the highest rungs of power,-”

        Before every single person who can even be ACCUSED of belonging to a “Neo-Fascist” party resigned over unrelated political disputes. Including your favorite whipping boys Svoboda.

        Convenient how you lot never acknowledge that, huh?

        “Ukraine’s Nazi collaborators-”

        Generally did not collaborate for long.

        But you know what, let’s ask the farqing NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS’ PARTY ITSELF about that, why don’t we?

        http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Vol-XXXIX.pdf

        “Order by the Einsatz-kommando C/5 to its (SIC) branch offices, 25 November 1941, All functionaries of the Ukraine Bandera Movement are to be LIQUIDATED On account of their preparations for a revolt.” – Document 014-USSR, can be found on Page 265 (Or 263 of the PDF).

        That was in ate November 1941, about half a year after Barbarossa. And yb this point in time Bandera and his close associates had already been arrested. So that is the MAXIMUM amount of time in which we can say the UPA and the Third Reich collaborated with each other on Ukrainian soil. After this threshold, they became bitter enemies.

        Not a lot, of time, is it?

        And since this document came from the horse’s rear end in the NSDAP hierarchy and was written into the record at Nurnburg with the allowance of the farqing Soviet Union, that says something.

        “have been rehabilitated as heroes, with major highways and roads named after them, and public commemorations.”

        And remind me again, what about the treatment of collaborators with the Red Army, who wrecked an even BLOODIER toll upon the region’s Jewish, Polish, and yes Ukrainian population over an even greater period (ever hear of the Holodomor?).

        I do not whitewash the UPA. In fact my research probably gives me a better idea of their atrocities than you do. But when your country is torn apart down te middle by Hitler and Stalin even a prewar fringe nut like Bandera can look as a hero by the simple fact of fighting so that ethnic Ukrainians would not be exterminated or forced to heel.

        That doesn’t actually MAKE him a heroic figure. Only in contrast with the Butcher of Berlin and Murderer in Moscow.

        “The Clinton foundation has received millions from
        these Ukrainian Oligarchs -”

        Yeah, and I am supposed to believe Putin hasn’t?

        And this is before I get into the fact that ideologically, Bandera and most other Ukrainian Neo-Fascists would NOT get along well with the oligarchs.

        “who now have control of the parliament (Rada) ”

        “and are currently attempting the removal of ethnic Russians from Donbass”

        Citation needed, chowderhead.

        I’m pretty damn sure the Azov Battalion would be surprised to know this, considering a staggering number of them ARE ETHNIC RUSSIANS FROM THE DONBAS.

        “in what can only be described as a campaign of ethnic cleansing-”

        No, it can be described as stupid, warmed over Kremlin propaganda peddled by liars who have never studied an ethnic cleansing campaign, let alone judged it.

        The fact is, one of the key things you want to do in a campaign of ethnic cleansing? NOT HAND OUT GUNS TO THE PEOPLE YOU ARE ETNICALLY CLEANSING. So why the flying farq does the ATO allow the likes of Azov to operate?

        “to dilute the numbers of pro Russian voters.”

        Which they have done nowhere near as well as what the “Novoroissyan” Litte Green Men did by farqing taking over these areas and raising the flag of revolt, giving a legal justification for suspending elections in those predominantely Russophone, “Blue” Regions>

        Great farqing job there.

        “If you kill enough pro Russians then they can not vote against you,-”

        Dear sir, clearly you have not studied the dead vote in Ukraine and Russia.

        “and what better place to kill pro Russian voters than the region that voted 90% for Yanukovych.”

        Riiight.

        Except if you actually compare the farqing voting results with the data today, you’d notice that the VAST MAJORITY of the territory that voted 90%+ for Yanu is ALREADY UKRAINIAN CONTROLLED, including places like Southeastern Kharkhiv Oblast, territory that was NEVER rebel Controlled. So if we did see some kind of systematic ethnic cleansing or genocide aimed at eliminating pro-Russian citizens we would ALSO expect to see that take place there.

        But even YOU chowderheads can’t drum up accusations of that.

        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

          keep quaking while you still can, mentally retarded idiot.

          • Turtler

            “keep quaking while you still can,”

            I intend to, mentally retarded idiot Fascist.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Keep quaking, mentally retarded idiot Fascist.

          • Turtler

            Not very original, are you?

            https://image.ibb.co/jHiZVF/Part_3.jpg

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Keep quaking, not very original mentally retarded idiot Fashist ” ..

          • Turtler

            “The bottom line is: you are a fundamentally dishonest fascist”

            Then why don’t you go farqing PROVE IT rather than meekly alleging it?

            “posting on a fascist site ”

            Clearly you have not seen how Euromaiden Press has critiqued and sometimes condemned the OUN.

            “and paid by a fascist-in-chief.”

            At this stage being paid by anyone would be a massive improvement from my current financial situation.

            So no.

            “It really is that simple ..”

            Then you lose nothing by PROVING it. It should be simple, as you said.

            So why have you not done anything?

          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU2qoKn-n3Y Simba Kijani

            Never mind Ruddy Ian here, he’s stricken by the psychological malady known as projection and can’t help himself. See, it is Ian himself who associates with cryptofascists and regularly posts on third positionist and fascist-leaning fora. He won’t respond to me anymore because he knows I’ve got his number.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            You must be beyond any kind of hope or cure if even “euromaidan press” wouldn’t employ you.

            And that is all the proof of your total uselessness anyone needs.

            I am sorry to hear about your “current financial situation”.
            You have your guns though, so feel free at pointing them all at the same time at the one and the only cause of all your life’s little and not so little problems. Yourself.
            Don’t forget to pull at least one of the triggers.

            Good luck and bon courage.

            ta-ra for good.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            ‘ta-ra for good.’
            If you could keep that promise, a lot of people would be very happy :-)

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Why is turdler your business, eddy ?

            I’ve known him for many years and finally had enough of his consistently empty spiels.

            Does that make sense to you?

          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU2qoKn-n3Y Simba Kijani

            Sez the lad whose posts are routinely upvoted by cryptofascists and neonazis like Kapricorn4 and Bendys. Yeah, we noticed, Old Chum.

  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

    Not many self hating idiots are as spectacularly obtuse, not to mention fundamentally dishonest as Sytin.

    But then again – try JersyJeff78 for a taste of extreme narcissistic cretinism and Sytin would appear nothing short of a saint ..

  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

    Here is some reading for Herr Paul A Gobble (Degook) on a related subject of Eurasia:

    The Intermarium idea has a long history in Poland, first conceived by the national leader of Poland Josef Pilsudski in the interwar period, with the plan to rebuild a new Poland within the borders of 1772, and then revived, at least in terms of projectuality, by the current Polish President Andrzej Duda in the aftermath of the Ukrainian crisis. Pilsudski envisaged the Intermarium not only to encompass the land of the former Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, but to stretch to the Adriatic including Yugoslavia too. In a recent article by George Friedman, the US geopolitical guru who has been writing about the Intermarium for more than a decade, the potential alliance is shown to include not only Romania and Bulgaria, but to extend as far as Turkey.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1e59f5551ed65c44c1d88bf8f236f021b5df50107ccef596f640f00df220c378.jpg

    • Murf

      Russian beligerance has brought the Interarium concept back to prominence.

      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

        In your non-existant “mind” that is.

        • Murf

          Well measured huh?
          Conducting the ONLY change in national boards by force since WW II?
          Russia has lost 500 odd billion DOLLARS. you can’t even build power plants in Crimea with out resorting to smuggling.
          The Reserve fund is being clobbeled up and the Pention Fund is next on the chopping block to the tune of 250 million dollars.
          Dude, Putin got played,hard.
          And by a milk toast amature like Obama.
          At least if you just say “Putin wanted so he took it, he looks like a boss and not a plucked goose.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            not your problem, insolent smurf.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Such a pity that those grains of sands are very rare in the Crimean tourist resorts 😉

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Well, eddy – you have nothing to say.

            I am used to it ..

          • Murf

            GOOD!
            Keep it.
            As long as Russia does the has to maintain the sanctions and the nose gets tighter.
            What was a billion dollar a year expense to Ukraine is now a 3 billion obligation on Russia and growing.
            Even better the Putin lovers who voted for Party of Regions are no longer in the Ukraine political process.
            Loosing Crimea was a blessing in disguise.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Crimea is doing well and Russia is not counting money on making life for the Crimeans even better than it is now.

            In the meantime, the noose you are so lovingly referring to will “get tighter” around your very unfortunate neck. Not that you could possibly care, since you are obviously unaware of what you are doing to yourself ..

          • Murf

            You don’t get it do you.
            I am glad Crimea is out of Ukraine. They were the hard core supporters of the Russian loving Party of Regions. They have held back Ukraine for 2 decades.
            With out them the Country can move forward now and end the hybrid Communisim/ capalist system that has drawn the worst from both systems.
            So I am HAPPY for their happiness.
            If living in Mother Russia with its 400% price increases, collapsed industry(according to Putin). Desertification, failed tourism, kleptocratic government and the drone of small engine generators makes their lives rich and full, Good.
            They deserve to be in Russia.
            ” if God had not intended them to be sheared, he would not have made them sheep.”

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            You can’t help being a sore loser.

            ta-ra

    • Che Guevara

      Intermarium is only a crazy dream of mentally deranged Polish politicians. None of Poland’s neighbors are longing to be part of a Polish Intermarium. They actually resent it.

    • Brent

      Here’s how stupid you just proved yourself to be….

      All of the land included in your proposed “Polish Empire” includes all of Donbass and Crimea. You just went against all of Putin’s claims of “Novorossiya”!

      Congratulations, Moron “Ian”!!!!

      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

        You never proved anything to anybody apart from the fact that you are a mentally deranged idiot.
        Your own locked ward awaits.

    • Turtler

      “Here is some reading for Herr Paul A Gobble De Gook on a related subject of Eurasia:”

      Ok, that pun is perhaps the only intelligent thing you’ve ever done in your life, and I might steal that sometimes. But for all of my MANY isues with Goble- and I have elaborated on some- he is nowhere near as empty brained or turkey like as you are.

      “The Intermarium idea-”

      Is quite familiar to me.

      What you “conveniently” Ignore is twofold. Firstly, the reason WHY Pilsudski advocated it was because Eastern and Central Europe were sandwiched between the hostile, expansionist, and increasingly totalitarian powers of the USSR and Germany. And so Pilsudski realized that if they did not band together into an alliance that could counterbalance both of them, they’d get devoured. This was evident from the Bolshevik invasions of 1919-1922.

      And it ultimately came true thanks to Molotov-Ribbentrop in 1939. Of course the problem was that Pilsudski saw Poland as the “rightful” head of this alliance and thus justified in being the “First among equals” as far as territorial disputes went, which caused problems.

      SECONDLY: you wanna know why the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth came to expand between the seas in the first place, particularly into the territory of the Baltic Three?

      It did so BECAUSE of Muscovite expansionism, when Ivan IV (Grozny/”The Terrible/Fearsome”) invaded the insanely weak and balkanized Livonian Confederacy that dominated Estonia and Latvia, and the Polish-Hungarian King Stefan Batory linked up in an alliance with the Danes and Swedes to protect the Livonians offering their allegiance in exchange for protection. Hence the Livonian War.

      Intermarium was not an expansionist, aggressive policy. It was at heart a DEFENSIVE one made as a REACTION to hostile expansion, especially from the East.

      “In reality it is the US and Polish belligerence and unscrupulous scheming that caused Russian well measured response.”

      Well measured? Putin’s own farqing puppet court had to convict one of its’ trigger guys for murder after needlessly gunning down Ukrainian officers during the takeover.

      And no US or Polish scheming could have done more than Putin’s own overbearing, demanding demeanor towards Ukraine and Yanukovych regarding stuff like Crimean Basing Rights and especially the EU Association Agreement.

      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

        Sod off, disgusting slimeball.
        Sick, brainless cretins don’t come more obvious than you.

        • Turtler

          “Sod off,”

          In a dialect you will understand.

          NO U.

          “disgusting slimeball.”

          I’ll take that as a compliment. And I note you don’t actually have any farqing counterarguments.

          “Sick, bloodsucking cretins don’t come more obvious than you.”

          Please, don’t sell yourself short!

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Selling yourself is all you ever did in life, obnoxiously dishonest scumbag.

          • Turtler

            “Selling yourself is all you ever did, ”

            I wish; I’d be a lot richer then. But for better or worse, this is a passion project of mine. Hunting stupid Troll Factory rejects like yourself.

            “obnoxiously dishonest scumbag.”

            Point to a single thing I said that was dishonest, chowderhead.

            Go on. I’ll wait.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Hunting stupid Troll Factory scumbags / rejects like YOURSELF is what I will do from now on. Prepare yourself for a rough ride.

            Or better still – drop dead to avoid unnecessary suffering.

          • Turtler

            “Hunting stupid Troll Factory scumbags / rejects like YOURSELF is what I will do from now on. ”

            Ya, well you SUCK at it.

            The ad hominems without any argumentation and refusal to confront evidence isn’t hunting, it’s the equivalent of wildly spraying your gun into the air and curving at the rabbit.

            “Prepare yourself for a rough ride.”

            Biotch please. I’ve traded fisticuffs with actual Neo-Fascists, Antifa morons, and Islamists. Not many but a few.

            If your conduct here is indicative, you don’t have much to challenge me.

            “Or better still – drop dead to avoid unnecessary suffering.”

            Nope.

            We all drop dead eventually. It’s just a matter of what we do before.

            But then, when you’re stupid and racist like yourself, all life is suffering.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Yes, when YOU’re stupid and racist like yourself, all life is suffering.

            Drop dead.

          • Turtler

            “Yes, when YOU’re stupid and racist like yourself, all life is suffering.”

            You call this a rough ride? You’re already at the defeated, flaccid, “NO U!” phase of the debate. I’m disappointed, hack.

            But let me phrase this another way: If I’m stupid, how much worse must you be? I’m the one that can actually put together a logical argument. What does that say about you?

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            You could NEVER “put together” any kind of argument, never mind a logical one.

            Drop dead.

          • Turtler

            “You could NEVER “put together” any kind of argument, never mind a logical one.”

            The big ditty I did about the history of Polish foreign policy regarding the Baltic- and how it was largely a reaction to what the Kremlin did- says otherwise.

            And “NoU”

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Have you said something, brain damaged idiot ?

          • Turtler

            “Have you said something, brain damaged idiot ?”

            The fact that you’re REPLYING to comments I made says yes.

            Now, who is the idiot who can’t even read their own comment to see what it replies to?

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            No you haven’t, just as I thought.

            ta-ra.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Make no mistake, self-congratulatory fascist scumbag – I will hunt you down wherever you are and have you dealt with in exactly the same manner all nazzis were dealt with after the second world war. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/194252c33f0b50f41d22f5791ae2270b666980475b16a5220583ab253a7a0004.jpg

          • Turtler

            “Make no mistake, self-congratulatory fascist scumbag.”

            Stop addressing your reflection in the mirror and start addressing the argument.

            Oh and by the way chowderhead: My family have been anti-Fascist for longer than you’ve been alive. We opposed Mussolini way back when and I carry on that tradition.

            “I will hunt you down wherever you are”

            I suppose I should be flattered to receive this kind of “attention” from an ADHD suffering Nashi goon. Shame I can’t believe it.

            But on the off chance you ARE serious, there’s a farqing reason I keep guns. So that I can deal with stupid totalitarian gits like you.

            ” and have you dealt with in exactly the same manner all nazzis were dealt with after the second world war. Apart from the ones that escaped to work for the cia, nsa and various other exceedingly benevolent societies ..”

            Funny you don’t mention the NKVD or what they did.

            But hey, thanks for the death threat! I must have touched a nerve. Now enjoy getting flagged.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            Enjoy being a fascist scumbag while you still can, mentally retarded idiot.

          • Turtler

            “Enjoy being a fascist scumbag while you still can”

            Sorry, I decline. Even if I do decide to be a scumbag like you, I will never be a Fascist.

            “mentally retarded idiot.”

            And yet, I’m the one whose arguments do not entirely revolve around ad hominems. Truly, you are a logician of such prowess that only Putin could be proud of you.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            How many toilets did you clean with your face today, mentally retarded idiot?

          • Turtler

            “How many toilets did you clean with your face today, mentally retarded idiot?”

            Why none, thank you for asking! Though I will confess I am confused about why you would think I or just about anybody else would do so.

            …. is there something YOU would like to tell us about your Own way of cleaning toilets?

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            How many are you going to clean with your face tomorrow ?

          • Turtler

            Probably none. But only God knows.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Turtler, that one really was bull’s eye 😉

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            I employ “professional” cleaners like you to do that for me.

          • Turtler

            And yet you apparently can’t employ them to do research.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            You may continue cleaning toilets with your face on a voluntary basis.
            That’s all you are good for anyway.

          • Turtler

            Can’t “continue” doing something I never have done. That would require STARTING. But of course, logic isn’t a great strength of yours.

            “That’s all you are good for anyway.”

            Apparently, I do a decent job getting under your skin as well.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof Styx

            You know nothing of logic, self-congratulatory poltroon.

          • Turtler

            And yet I am the one that makes arguments that are composed of more than as hominems.

  • veth

    In other words: Russians are inferior

  • NATOcracy

    HaHaHa , a ‘historian’.
    A Khodorkovkovsky’s jester.

  • zorbatheturk

    RuSSians are animals.

    • J.D.

      Farted an insect whore. 😉