Why Poland should support Ukraine

Photo: Sergey Dolzhenko/EPA

Photo: Sergey Dolzhenko/EPA 

Analysis & Opinion

Article by: Vitaly Portnikov

Support for Ukraine is not only in the interest of Ukraine but above all it is in the interest of Poland. And the refusal to provide this support is not the betrayal of Ukraine; it is the betrayal of Poland.

In one careless interview Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs Witold Waszczykowski has questioned the main capital of Polish-Ukrainian relations of the last 25 years. And this core capital is not even based on trust and mutual understanding. It is based on a sense of reality.

The minister of foreign affairs used a Polish publication to convey a message from the Polish leadership: “You will not enter Europe with Bandera.” It is a loud, striking, and meaningless slogan.

I will not engage in polemics with the high-ranking diplomat regarding the historical role of Stepan Bandera. It is primarily a task for historians and not for politicians and publicists. I am much more interested in Ukraine’s advance to Europe.

The Association Agreement with the European Union, which was signed three years ago, will enter into force only in the fall of this year. Facing our country are the years needed for its implementation. It will be necessary to carry out a whole range of important reforms, to achieve the restoration of the territorial integrity of the country, to meet the Copenhagen criteria (rules defining if a country is eligible to join the European Union — Ed.), to obtain the prospect of membership. All this will require not one year, not two, and not ten.

Nobody knows what the European Union will look like then. Nobody knows whether Poland will be a member of this association. Nobody knows if Ukraine will want to apply to the European Union at that time. All this is a matter for the distant future.

 Therefore, it is clear that ultimatums concerning this distant future are complete nonsense.

The one thing I can guarantee Witold Waszczykowski with complete clarity is that he will no longer be the minister of foreign affairs of Poland when Ukraine knocks at the door of the European Union.

The future of Polish-Ukrainian relations then will be determined by people who now may still be in grade schools and universities.

Even more striking is the example that the Polish foreign minister cited as a positive example of pressure  on a sovereign state — the behavior of Greece towards the Republic of Macedonia. The refusal by Greece to recognize the name of a neighboring country and to block Macedonia’s entry to NATO has resulted in negative consequences for the alliance itself due to the growing influence of Russia in the region and the destabilization of the situation in Macedonia.

But Greece’s attitude toward Macedonia has brought about negative consequences for Athens as well. Greece has lost the chance to become a regional leader. Skopje had never hoped for support from its neighbor and therefore constantly turned to other players. Earlier it was Greece’s main competitor in the region — Turkey. Then Russia. Finally Greece itself began to play according to Russian rules in defining the prospects for its energy policy. Is this not a vivid example of being transformed from a subject to an object?

Unlike the Macedonians who did not trust the Greeks, in Ukraine we trusted the Poles from the first day of our country’s proclamation of independence, and we had every reason for doing so. But what we are seeing now is the real suicide of Ukraine’s “advocate.”

Because Ukraine is interested in supporting Poland no less than Poland is interested in supporting Ukraine. Our country is precisely the country that separates — and protects — Poland from Russia. By cooperating with our country, Poland can at least theoretically claim to be a regional leader at a time when many of its neighbors are inclined to pursue special relations with the Kremlin. If Poland does not support Ukraine, it will be transformed from a subject to an object much like Greece. And Ukraine will be forced to seek other “advocates” and no doubt will find them.

I have always believed that common values united us and the Poles. The general understanding of democracy, the freedom of speech, human rights, Europe. That Ukrainians could learn freedom from the example of Solidarity just as the Poles could learn from the example of the Ukrainian Maidans.

But from the interview with the Polish minister of foreign affairs I discovered that questions of historical memory divide us and the Poles whereas there is no “ideological war” between Poland and Belarus. Did I miss something? Poland has no ideological problems with a country governed by an authoritarian regime where there are no honest elections, no free press or free market? With a country that has destroyed the independent organizations of Belarusian Poles? With a country that allowed Russian troops on its borders with Poland?

And Poland has problems with Ukraine — a country whose citizens have paid for all these values with their blood? Who with their courage have prevented Russian troops from reaching Ukraine’s borders with Poland? Maybe I’m missing something. Maybe I am naïve – but that is how, with superior carelessness, the Polish minister characterizes Ukrainians in his interview.

No, Mr. Minister. We are not naïve. We know very well that Europe will not win the conflict with Russia for us simply because Europeans do not want to fight and die with us. Neither do the Poles.

I’m not prepared to blame them for that. I simply want to remind the foreign minister that while you and your interlocutors were communicating in a cozy office a few more of my naïve compatriots could have perished on the line of demarcation. For Ukraine. For your freedom and ours. For the security and future of Poland. That is why support for our country is not only in our interest but, first of all, it is in yours. And the refusal to provide such support in not the betrayal of Ukraine.

It is the betrayal of Poland.

Translated by: Anna Mostovych
Source: Espreso TV

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  • Rafael Hernandez

    It is not a meaningless action. Till this day Ukraine refuses to acknowledge Bandera’s horrific genocidic crimes against ethnic poles, when the Nazzis invaded in 1941. Untill Ukraine will remove slogans on Azov battalion (SS) and denounce the crimes of Ukrainian nationalist Poland cannot accept Ukraine as an ally.

    • Mykola Potytorsky

      a Mexican speaking on behalf of Poland, I am telling you you Russian trolls are getting funnier and funnier as time goes on. wow!!!

      • Rafael Hernandez

        Wow a rascist Ukrainian. You are good at your Hitlerish behaviour

        • Mykola Banderachuk

          actually you are wrong, I like Mexicans, been to Mexico a couple of times and found them to be very friendly and down right good people. but keep up the good comedy work, hope putin pays you well for your verbal sewage.

      • Ihor Dawydiak

        Actually, RH is a Marxist-Leninist from Venezuela and married to an ethnic Russian who fled to the USA to seek sanctuary. He may even be on Donald Trump’s list of those awaiting deportation.

        • Mykola Banderachuk

          thanks, raffie must be the only one of the marxist leninist crowd left these days.

    • Dirk Smith

      LOL. Your knowledge of history predictably ends at the RT teleprompter. ‘horrific genocidic (?) crimes.’ LOL. Mongol imbecile. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb61983b5e845bacbcb63e2d7d0e606de3c4b873d5564fd2e7d2300877bbd0a0.png

    • Микола Данчук

      Bandera’s relevance is mainly for Russian disinformation and airheads who consider it an issue!

      • laker48

        Go to Poland and try to fly a black-and-red OUN/UPA-B flag! There’s no resentment against Ukraine or Ukrainians there, but Bandera triggers a lot of negative reactions and constitutes the main factor dividing Poles and Ukrainians.

        • Микола Данчук

          All predicated by the Soviet to insure mutual hate?

    • Scradje

      Troll glorifies the real genocide committed by Russia whilst inventing fake history. Slither off to your sewer, kremnaцi scum.

      • Sania

        iudje, filth gorillas pay filth30 pennies for ur each dirt post, is not it?

      • Y K

        The only people profiting from the rather meaningless Polish-Ukrainian squabbles on respective integral nationalisms and their records are Putinoids.

  • laker48

    Mr. Waszczykowski prezented the official stance of the Polish government that considers Bandera, Lebed and Shukhevych war criminals and the architects of the 1943 genocide of Poles In Volhynia and western Ukraine. Also, the OUN/UPA -B (Bandera faction) are considered in Poland fascist and criminal organisations. I personally don’t envision aby changes on this matter.

    There for sure be continual support od Ukraine by Polish diplomacy, but there won’t be demonstrated any significant level of trust by the Polish partners. The ball is in the Ukrainian court and it’s up to the Ukrainians how they will play it out. All compromises have their limits that cannot be breached.

    • Микола Данчук

      What transpired in Volhynia 1943 is criminal beyond the bounds of reason.
      There are several factors relevant in this crime which do not exclude the participation of the Ukrainian peasants or UPA factions. The fog of war can not justify any crime nor should it blanket sol responsibility on any one entity.

      I say this as a branch of my Family are/were Polish military leadership. My father served but never relinquished his Ukrainian identity and remained a privet for all his accomplishments. He was an artillery-man at the battle where the Polish Cavalry assailed German tanks (what name was given to that battle?).
      Most of my male Polish relatives were executed by the Germans and Bolsheviks.

      What I’m trying to say is that the Poles and Ukrainians (Ruth,Rus) have very much in common and very much at odds. At time a common history and at times a confrontational one but which history shall we choose going forward.

      • slavko

        It does seem that everyone has a history to portray which somehow prevents peoples from going forward. Anymore Mykola choosing which history can lead to further complicated futures. Perhaps it’s just best to leave the history to historians without using it as a foundation anymore for future relations. All the recollection of “histories” throughout Europe has only complicated relationships. It’s best to learn how to go forward peacefully without borders being changed and languages being forced upon indigenous peoples. For this the historical accusing finger needs to stop wagging. Of course when one people go to an other’s land then those customs, laws and languages must be respected.

        • Микола Данчук

          That is what I have been saying! History has shown us that wars have been basically started on idiotic principles! Respect and compassion are far stronger weapons when building a society of enlightenment. Those that hold onto a muddled past will have problems seeing a brighter future!

          True, that the present circumstances, in regards to Russia, is making life miserable for way too many people. This is the common immoral foe which infects our society today and must be neutralized to insure future productive progress.

    • Screwdriver

      The problem for Ukraine and Ukrainian nationalists, that they just do not have any other heroes. And they do need heroes. nationalists can not exist without “heroes”.

      • laker48

        I don’t see a problem with most Ukrainian nationalists, since the majority of them don’t really know even basic whereabouts of their “hero” who was skilfully thrown into the Ukrainian public life by RuSSian agents of influence in order to stir and keep hot animosities between Poles and Ukrainians. Decades of sovietisation of Ukraine have taken their toll. New generations of Poles and Ukrainians will eventually establish the truth about those historical events

        • Screwdriver

          How new generation of Ukrainians would “establish the truth” since they start to learn about the “heroes” in the kindergarten ?

          • laker48

            Worry not! Money is a powerful motivator. Ukraine runs on fumes wth its GDP 20% of Poland’s with a negative growth, a war in the east and oligarchs stealing everything still left to steal. Only Poland has strong enough political motivation to help them, but not at any price. The worst case scenario for Ukraine is looming larger by the month.

          • Screwdriver

            North Koreans will die from hunger, but will not give up they “heroes”.

          • laker48

            LOL! Do they have any? :)

          • Screwdriver

            Similar heroes, OUN is an Ukrainian “chuchkhe”

          • laker48

            It doesn’t matter. To make a long story short, the fight against the perennial common enemy, RuSSia, will always get an upper hand over any mutual animosities between Poland and Ukraine. History cannot be changed, so even a dominated by Bandera worshippers but independent Ukraine makes a better neighbour for Poland than a Ukrainian-speaking RuSSian appendix. Poland will always support Ukraine in its fight against any kind of RuSSian domination.

          • Screwdriver

            N. Korea and S. Korea suppose to have a common traditional enemy – Japan, however this has nothing to do with the fact that N. Koreans will die defending they heroes.

          • laker48

            I don’t see any analogy here. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, today’s Ukraine was part of, was successfully whacking Muscovite RuSSia for centuries and both nations know that they have to team up to pose a serious deterrent for that evil empire. The only obstacle to a better collaboration is Byzantine corruption of epic proportions destrying Ukraine from inside, not Bandera or Shukhevych.

          • Screwdriver

            “successfully whacking Muscovite RuSSia for centuries ” what exactly you talking about ?

          • laker48

            Read history of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Great Duchy of Muscovy. The Commonwealth extended deeply into the present fascist RuSSian Federation’s territory. Kyivan Rus or Ruthenia is not RuSSia and will never be.

          • Screwdriver

            Do you know what is written on Bohdan Khmelnitskiy monument in Kiev ? :-)

          • laker48

            Yes, I do. Why?

          • Screwdriver

            And what is that ?

          • laker48

            It’s irrelevant in the 21st century. Any monument war plays into the hands of the katsaps. There’s no anti-Ukrainian resentment in Poland. The only thorny issue is the Volhynia genocide and Bandera, but it seems to be close to resolution.

          • Screwdriver

            “It’s irrelevant in the 21st century. “. No it is not irrelevant, huge parts of Ukraine are still Russia oriented. Just check Ukrainian TV channels, even with the recent restrictions, Ukrainian TV flooded with Russian movies, toons, etc…
            “The only thorny issue is the Volhynia genocide and Bandera, but it seems to be close to resolution”
            No. Not close, ….it is the opposite…just look at the recent Seim actions, and statements by high ranking officials.

          • laker48

            Nothing is carved in stone. The longer the Donbas war goes on, the more hatred towards RuSSia and RuSSians it generates. It’s why the bloody conflict there won’t be brought to an end anytime soon.

            The long-term American strategy is to get rid of any German domination in Europe, hence the US support for the Three Seas Initiative and Ukraine’s independence from RuSSia. Since global prices of hydrocarbons are not going to recover anytime soon if ever and Western, especially US sanctions won’t be lifted until RuSSia returns Crimea to Ukraine and withdraws from Donbas, RuSSia will bleed red ink until we enjoy an encore performance of the 1991 Soviet play starred by the fascist RuSSian Federation, while Ukraine will be kept on the western lifeline and helped in its fight against Byzantine corruption eating it from inside.

            I wouldn’t be too surprised to see Saakashvili become the Ukrainian PM with the help of the Trump administratpion, as he’s the only high-ranked Ukrainian politician Trump trusts. Poland is also vitally interested in breaking both German and. RuSSian domination in Europe, so it’ll be be teaming up with Canada, the US and the UK to achieve this goal, what implies support for Ukraine on its fight against RuSSia.

          • Screwdriver

            “Nothing is carved in stone. The longer the Donbas war goes on, the more hatred towards RuSSia and RuSSians it generates. It’s why the bloody conflict there won’t be brought to an end anytime soon.” No, it will be the other way around. People in Ukraine are not stupid, many see that this war is in the interests of ruling elites. ( Ukrainian senator Vadim Rabinovich talks about it all the time) Recent polls in Eastern Ukraine (Kiev controlled) show that very few people believe official Kiev Nazi propaganda. http://24tv.ua/skilki_zhiteliv_donbasu_vinit_rosiyu_u_viyni_vrazhayuchi_dani_n839004

          • laker48

            Lack of Poroshenko’s credibility notwithstanding, Ukraine has been consistently and steadily moving away from the “RuSSkiy Mir’ (RuSSian World), and this process is irreversible, like it, or not. I think this horse is dead and don’t see any point in kicking it anymore. After I’m back from my trip to the UK, Poland and Ukraine scheduled for September and October, I’ll gladly come back and resume our exchange. So long! :)

  • Y K

    The only people profiting from the rather meaningless Polish-Ukrainian squabbles on the (de-)merits of respective integral nationalisms are Putinoids.

    • laker48

      Right. And they will as long as Ukraine keeps appointing its national heroes some architects and perpetrators of ethnic cleansing and genocide od mainly Poles and Jews in Volhynia and western Ukraine during WW2 in the period of 1941-1944. Most Poles, Jews and eastern Ukrainians consider Bandera and the led by him, Lebed and Shukhevych OUN/UPA factions criminal and fascist entities. I don’t believe that Ukraine will ever ubite with Stepan Bandera as its national hero. Scen many western Ukrainians don’t consider Bandera their hero.

      • Микола Данчук

        And we must not name the Poles who willfully supported the atrocities humanity scorns!
        It can easily go both ways, can’t it?
        One mans hero is the other mans butcher! And the band plays on to the delight of our common foe!

        • laker48

          I’m the last one to cast a stone at Ukraine or Ukrainians, as my now late prarents were saved from the Volhynia genocide by their Ukrainian friends and neighbours in the fall of 1943. I also spoke to hundreds of Polish refugees from the regions of Western Ukraine where the genocide took place. Many of them survived because they could organise self defence units and repel the poorly trained and armed UPA hordes. There never were more than 10,000 armed OUN/UPA-B (Bandera faction) figters in Ukraine, even after over 4000 fully armed Ukrainian SS Galizien deserters joined Lebed and Shukhevych.

          Bandera and his followers wrongly assumed that post WW2 borders would be determined by plebiscits, as it was the case after WW1, hence the insane ethnic cleansing ideology that hatched in the heads of Bandera and his closest allies. Neither party envisioned the Soviet occupation and terror that followed the Yalta treason. The present Ukrainian authorities and supporting them pseudo historian Volodymyr Vyatrovych add insult to injury and inadvertently play into the RuSSian hands.

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            Any atrocities committed by anyone can never be justified regardless of the reason or reasons. However, it is just as bad when anyone maintains a “holier than thou” attitude where all or almost all of the blame in a conflict is blamed on an adversary while generally ignoring the injustices and/or atrocities committed by the other side which in the case of the Volyn tragedy preceded the mass killing of civilians. In addition, the German Army under the orders of Hitler did their part in adding more fuel to the fire. As for Stalin and his Soviet regime, they too were responsible in trying to maintain hostilities between Poles and Ukrainians in order to deflect anti-Soviet and anti-Russian attitudes within Ukraine. However, there have been significant positive strides that have been undertaken by recent Polish and Ukrainian Governments (as well as the major religious communities in both countries) where the request for mutual forgiveness for past transgressions have for the better part replaced past acrimonious behavior between the two nations. Finally, for those who cannot or will not accept these attempts to better relations between the Polish and Ukrainian people, they have only made themselves into inadvertent or conspiratorial stooges of Vladimir Putin’s dream of recreating a new Russian Empire. After all, Putin’s motto has always been “divide and conquer”.

          • laker48

            I’d recommend that you listen to George Friedman in this interview. https://youtu.be/Voqht3i3xtg
            The Ukrainian government of the day has placed its bets on the wrong horses (France and Germany), so the Yanks will likely throw Poroshenko under the bus. Leaving Poroshenko out on the cold during the Three Seas summit in Warsaw and Mr. Waszczykowski’s comment were, IMHO, two warning shots the Ukrainian government had better hear.

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            “laker48”, I was most attentive in listening to George Friedman’s interview and as such I do not have the foggiest idea as to how you came to your conclusions. In particular, you should have taken note of Friedman’s response to the last question that was asked by the Polish interviewer. This included the following subjects; 1) Most of Russia’s attempts to subvert foreign Governments have failed and to be more specific, Russia’s alleged meddling in the recent US elections have only invoked an even greater hostility towards Russia by the US Congress. In other words, the Kremlin’s aims of trying to either destabilize the US Government or to curry favor with the new US Administration achieved the opposite affect. (Note the hostility leveled against Moscow by the US Senate in particular and this powerful body’s threat to increase sanctions against Russia or failing in that initiative, a renewed threat to veto much of Trump’s agenda). 2) Through his attempts to subvert Ukraine, Putin achieved the exact opposite result by completely alienating Ukraine from Russia for the foreseeable future. Then we come to your allegation that “the Yanks will likely throw Poroshenko under the bus”. Now how did you ever come to that conclusion? Not only did Poroshenko engage in private talks with Trump in the White House (which the Ukrainian President deemed as successful) prior to the American President’s meeting with Putin at the G20 summit, but Trump’s top lieutenants (the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense and the National Security Advisor) all made it abundantly clear that the US fully backed the Ukrainian Administration. Finally we come to your last point where you alleged that Poroshenko was left in “the cold during the Three Seas summit in Warsaw”. Again, that doesn’t make any sense. The issue here was almost certainly the methods that could be used to stymie Russian aggression in Eastern Europe as a whole. As for the timing and the location of the meeting (Warsaw), that too was a strategic decision. Poland’s only border with Russia was the exclave of Kaliningrad Oblast so Poland did not pose as any immediate threat to mainland Russia whether it be on its own or through NATO. Poland was also a chief ally of both the Baltic Republics and Ukraine. Enough said.

          • laker48

            You didn’t pay attention to the part where Friedman said that US interests arę nor

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            Let us not lose sight of the fact that there are a multitude of professional analysts (including Friedman) who may hold varying opinions on just about everything. However, what really counts are the actions and deeds of those who actually hold power.

          • laker48

            What I see now is Poland switching into a transactional relationship with Ukraine and putting on hold any holistic approach in order to be able to cut any possible future losses short, and this approach seems to me the most rational for the time being.

        • laker48

          All names and whereabouts of Poles who were guilty of committing atrocities against Ukrainians are known and nobody tries to hide those facts. The Ukrainian Institute od National Memory may carry out any exhumations on Polish territory they wish, while its Polish counterpart is severely restricted on Ukrainian territory. There’s something wrong with this picture, at least in the Kiyiv government circles. Minister Waszczykowski didn’t say anything the Polish government hadn’t authorised. Poland cannot act against its national and strategic interests and accept openly hostile acts of its Ukrainian neighbour. Supporting the 1994 Budapest Memorandum outcomes doesn’t mean becoming a doormat for Bandera thugs.

      • Tony

        Tell you what, Ukrainians will forget about Bandera’s struggle for independence against Soviet’s, Nazis and Poles and adopt your myopic Poland centric view as soon as you tear down all statues of Józef Piłsudski, rewrite your history books to reflect that Piłsudski created the mess that allowed Volyn to happen.

        “Reality was more complex. Throughout the interwar period, Poland
        practiced a harsh policy of assimilation of its national minorities,
        particularly Belarusian and Ukrainians, fearing they would become a
        fifth column. In addition to trampling cultural and religious rights,
        land was seized and redistributed to Polish military veterans, in hopes
        of reigning in the east.

        Among those regions Volyn stood out, explains Yaroslav Hrytsak, a Lviv-based historian. A former Russian gubernia,
        lacking the parliamentary and intellectual traditions of its
        ex-Habsburg neighbours, Volyn saw a unique experiment in nation
        building. Henryk Józewski, a former Polish spy it in Soviet Ukraine, was
        picked by Poland’s interwar strongman Józef Piłsudski (pictured) to
        build a Ukrainian nation that is loyal to Poland, notably by supporting
        cultural initiatives and creating a loyalist Ukrainian party.Despite
        its relative success, the programme was reversed after Piłsudski’s
        death in 1935. Ukrainians were barred from government jobs, workers’
        protests suppressed; Orthodox churches were destroyed and their
        adherents forcibly converted to Catholicism. As a result, both communist
        and nationalist elements among the Ukrainians called for ethnic
        cleansing of Poles from Volyn, even though the Soviet mass starvation,
        known as the Holodomor, or death by hunger, had just cost millions of Ukrainian lives across the border.”

        “A third of the population consisted of minorities—Ukrainians, Jews,
        Belorussians and Germans—who were either hostile towards the existence
        of the Polish state because of the lack of privileges or often
        discriminated against in the case of Ukrainians and Belorussians who
        faced Polonization. There were treaties that supposedly protected them
        but the government in Warsaw wasn’t interested in their enforcement.[7]”

        https://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2013/07/polish-ukrainian-relations
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1918%E2%80%931939)

        • laker48

          All misdeeds of the Polish government on the years 1935-1939 (after Pilsudski’s death) notwithstanding, there was no justification for the most inhuman possible genocide of Poles and other ethnic minorities in the Volhynia region and throughout western Ukraine. Bandera was a stinky coward and murderous psychopath rabid with hatred who never took part on any battle. BTW, Ukraine will never truly unite with Bandera as its national hero. As a matter od fact, much more Bandera worshippers live in Poland, Canada and the US than in Ukraine. I’ll visit Ukraine this fall, so I’ll have a better grasp of the situation there.

    • Sania

      kinky nose, how do u do among real fasci?
      Are Iahve says–good?
      Are u did forget about six millions of innocent?

  • Murf

    You Europeans are going to have to let go of these old grudges.
    At least to the extent that your enemies can not use them against you at the drop of a hat.
    I am not saying that there is no reason for resentment but letting Russia play you like a harp on this issue is just plane foolish and self indulgent.
    Focus on the mission!
    Defend yourselves from the REAL threat. The threat that
    has always be there and was the root cause of the massacre in the first place; Soviet/Russian aggression.
    The exact same threat both Poland and Ukraine face here and now.
    Honor your past but don’t let it control your future.

    • laker48

      Please, tell this the Ukrainians! They were robbing their own country for over two decades and woke up after there was hardly anything left to steal. Even facing grave dangers their oligarchs haven’t stopped stealing. The US has cut its assistance by half for a reason. Whining and spitting at everyone who doesn’t agree with them will never fix their homeland. Their president, who was very well treated and received in most western capitals is now being marginalised and openly criticised. He has brought this on himself, not Putin or RuSSia. I won’t be too surprised if he’s voted out of office during next elections.

      • Murf

        Poroshenko had an opportunity to be a modern day George Washington or Nelson Mandela.
        To fundamentally reshape their country and set it on a course of prosperity and indeed maybe even greatness.
        Had he forced through all of the IMF’s requirements by now the economy would be growing by 3-4% the exchange rate would be in the low 20s or high teens, and the corruption index would be 10 ranks higher.
        But he choose the same old same old.
        The question has always been “does the man make the times or does the times make the man?”
        The reality is the man recognizes the opportunity, seizes it and make the times his own.
        History only rarely gives a person such a chance.
        God knows you or I will never have it.
        And now it is slipping out of Poro’s fingers and spinning off in to space.

        Or more crude but accurately put “He who hesitates, masturbates.”

        • laker48

          Right you are!

  • Screwdriver

    ” in Ukraine we trusted the Poles ” Sorry dude, you can not sit on two chairs . Pols will always be against Bandera, you can not sell this rotten product to pols, no matter how hard you try.

    • laker48

      Right you are! Bandera and Shukhevych will derail any Polish government putting with them up as anyone’s heroes. Nevertheless, this historical disagreement won’t prevent any Polish government from entering into a political, military or other alliance with Ukraine against their common, historic enemy RuSSia.