At Minsk, Putin got ‘everything he wanted,’ took no responsibility for the future

Minsk Summit, Feb-11-2015

Minsk Summit, Feb-11-2015 

2015/02/12 • Analysis & Opinion, Russia

After the publication of the Minsk agreement, Andrey Illarionov and Andrey Piontkovsky say that “Putin received practically all that he wanted” without assuming any responsibility for what will happen next, while Ukraine assumed all responsibilities and France and Germany took responsibility for ensuring Kyiv does so.

“The only significant positive result” for Ukraine was “the agreement about a ceasefire and the separation of opposing forces,” something that gives a chance for an end to the bloodletting, the two say. But they add that they are concerned that since the ceasefire is scheduled to go into effect only three days from now, Putin and pro-Russian forces will move to take more territory or stage new provocations.

The two analysts list the following basic features of and arising from the Minsk documents:

Putin’s international isolation has been ended and leaders of Western democratic countries are prepared to deal with him once again.

Russia was “not recognized as a participant” in the conflict in Ukraine nor was Russian aggression “against Ukraine.”

“The presence of Russian forces on the territory of Ukraine was not condemned,” and there is no demand in the accords that Russian forces there be withdrawn.”

The possibility that Western powers will supply defensive arms to Ukraine has been reduced to nothing.

The possibility of new economic sanctions has been eliminated.

“The terrorists and bandits have been guaranteed amnesty.”

There is no guarantee of free elections in the occupied territories “in correspondence with Ukrainian law.”

At the same time, the Minsk agreements require a great deal from Kyiv, while giving it little assurance on many key points:

Ukraine is obligated by the end of this year to “carry out a constitutional reform” that will in fact “guarantee the continued existence of the terrorist regime” in the Donbas. And Kyiv must negotiate with that regime over such elections.

Ukraine is required to “recognize the power vertical” of the terrorist regimes, including the officials and “detachments of the popular militia” that the militants have established.

Ukraine gained no assurance that the Ukrainian-Russian border would be controlled. In fact, it lost that because of the accord’s call for Kyiv to negotiate with the militants about exactly that.

Ukraine was not given any assurance that Natalya Savchenko or any other prisoner of war or hostage on Russian territory will be freed.

“Responsibility for financing pensions and other social payments” in Donetsk and Luhansk “is laid on Ukraine and in part on Western countries.”

The agreement deprives Kyiv of the right to regulate or block the arrival of Russian “humanitarian convoys,” thus limiting its control of its own borders.

The agreement restores “the anti-Ukrainian law of Ukraine “on the provisional order of local self-administration in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts.”

The accords “require that the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine define the “territories on which the special regime applies,” thus reifying the militants’ control.

They also require that Kyiv allow Donetsk and Luhansk to participate in international trade without regard to Ukrainian rules.

And “Ukraine and the West guarantee the beginning of negotiations among the EU, Ukraine and Russia about the implementation of the agreement Ukraine and the EU have already signed about a free economic zone, thus giving Moscow a way of walking that back.

According to Illarionov and Piontkovsky, “the only acceptable response of patriotic forces of Ukraine in this situation are the following:

  • Kyiv must declare that it has not yielded its right to free the eastern Donbas by military means.
  • Kyiv must ensure that its forces are moved up to the ceasefire line.
  • Kyiv must stop playing the game about its “territorial integrity” now that Putin has taken it up.
  • Kyiv must immediately declare the Eastern Donbas just like Crimea to be “temporarily occupied territories” and declare that it has no state obligations toward the institutions or organizations there.
  • Kyiv must help all Ukrainian citizens who want to leave those territories to do so.
  • And Kyiv must remind the international community “and above all the guarantors of the territorial integrity of Ukraine according to the Budapest Memorandum” of their responsibilities.

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  • Charles J. Kollman

    Some days you eat the Bear and other days the Bear eats you. I think this tells it like it is. Now we will see what Countries Putin takes next. Will it be the Baltic States or others. You know he is on the move and will not stop with just the Ukraine.

    • DejaVu

      World War III soon.

      • Charles J. Kollman

        The ground work for it, is being made. Lets hope and pray we are wrong.

  • George

    Another Yalta repeat. But this time Germany is the seller. Since Putler and Merkel are such buddies, is division of Germany on the table.

  • Czech Friend

    Triump of primitive evil and humiliation of core European values with tragic consequences.

    It is not Putin’s victory but free world leaders failure that let this happen.

    Lies, deception, mass murder, robbery and war. Anything goes on an international scale, that is the true result of Minsk agreement, agreement when freedom and democracy surrendered to dictatorship.

    • Rommel15

      If you are truly opposed to lies, deception, mass murder, robbery, and war then you wouldn’t be so fond of ‘freedom and democracy’ which has destroyed many countries and peoples for no good reason. ‘Freedom and democracy’ bombs countries all over the globe in the name of human rights but when Russia intervenes in its backyard suddenly there’s some sort of crime, as if laying waste to Iraq or Kosovo was a-OK.

      I got tired of the shallow, deceitful, and pathetic rhetoric of the western democrats long ago. Russian leadership isn’t known for its pious honestly but Moscow doesn’t have blood on its hands the way Washington and Brussels does.

      • Igor Z

        You are leaning on delusion with your argument.

        • Rommel15

          Look I don’t support either government in this stupid, pointless war. It’s yet another brother’s war that will accomplish very little other than a few lines on a treaty.

          All I’m saying is that the west has no right to stick their heads in and tell people how to behave.

          • StumpedNoMore2

            Brother’s war? How about we go to the ground and ask that same question? I would the beg the differ in their answers.

            So Putin have his rights to stick his head and tell other people how to live? You tried to be neutral but it is coming off as being non-neutral.

          • Rommel15

            There is no difference between Russians and Ukrainians I don’t care how many you ask they are literally the same people no matter how much they want to pretend they aren’t

          • StumpedNoMore2

            I rather ask them as their opinions matter to me rather some person on the internet coming on a forum to inject his/her opinions without any objectivity.

            That is the differences between you and I. I don’t try to categorize anyone into any categorize as I would like them to categorize themselves. It is better to get it from the horses’ mouth than someone who is trying to answer for them.

          • DejaVu

            Wow you really are an idiot. No difference between Russians and Ukranians. Please tell that to a Ukrainian and I am sure you would not live to tell what happened.

            Please do us a favour and rid your gene pool with a Darwin award.

          • Rommel15

            And if you told a Russian that his country’s actions are illegal and that his nation is historically nothing other than an invader I am sure you would not live to tell what happened.

            I really don’t plan on telling a Ukrainian what I think so I think I’ll be ok

          • LorCanada

            Putin controls the media in Russia and opponents are eliminated soon enough by kidnapping, arrest, jail, or just disappearing. That’s your democracy in Putinland! Yuck.

            I see you prefer to play it safe by keeping your mouth closed. Yes, fear is what rules in a dictatorship, the result of KGB Pootie control.

          • Laura Green

            This will come to your home

          • DejaVu

            Not sure the purpose of the video as you are a Russian troll.

            http://www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week-the-kremlins-growing-army-of-internet-trolls/

            Are you posting from this building:

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B13AjJ2IYAEX0jM.jpg:large

          • disqus_aJpixObjG7

            This will COME INTO YOUR VERY HEART “laura” gruen” Because you push murder against UKRAINIAN children and women , G-d will turn that very sword in your hand into your own very heart.

          • disqus_aJpixObjG7

            You racist degenerate, You say that UKRAINIANS HAVE NO RIGHT TO EXIST- that they are the “same” people! NO! You criminal- “russians” WILL FINALLY LEARN -BY FORCE OF ARMS-by force of arms- that UKRAINIANS ARE NOT “russians” but UKRAINIANS.

            Got that?

            UKRAINIANS ARE UKRAINIANS THEY ARE NOT “russians”

            Get it?

            and you RACIST murderous “russians” WILL NEVER, EVER DESTROY THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE or their IDENTITY,

            no matter how long, how hard, over centuries you bandit racist “russians” continue to try TO MURDER THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.

            YOU TRIED MANY TIMES YOU “russian” bastards- with your mass murder of UKRAINIANS FOR SPEAKING UKRAINIAN IN UKRAINE, WITH YOUR EMS UKAZ, WITH YOUR HOLODOMOR, WHICH IS THE GREATEST GENOCIDE IN HUMAN HISTORY; with your famine of 1922-3, with your famine of 1945-47, with your using UKRAINIANS FOR ALL YOUR WARS, with making HALF OF ALL GULAG PRISONERS UKRAINIANS ETC ETC ETC …

            So sit tight in your degenerate “russia” and know that you WILL NEVER,EVER MAKE UKRAINIANS INTO “russians. ” You f-ing typical ARROGANT PATRONISING RACIST “russian” bas-rd,

            GET DOWN ON YOUR KNEES AND ASK GOD AND THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE FOR FORGIVENESS FOR THE UNSPEAKABLE CRIMES YOU HAVE PERPETRATED AGAINST THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.
            And yet you DARE, you “russ” criminal to say that UKRAINIANS are the “same people as, “pfui!”- murderous “russian” racist degenerates

          • Rommel15

            Calm down I’m not Russian, I’m not even a Slav no need to get so angry

          • Alexander Malinowski

            This old Russian jingoists lie that all Slavs and all Eastern Slavs shall unite under Tsardom.
            In matter of fact, since 1991 we can see clearly that Ukrainians, Russians and Belorussians are different people.
            Ukrainians have had already 2 Majdans, and Russians 0 so far, despite having much worse government,

          • LorCanada

            Same people? They, the separatists/Russian rebels, are so polarized from Kyiv they can’t wait to kill them! And that’s thanks to Pootie’s false propaganda spouted at every occasion. I see Putin’s sly dishonest fingerprints all over this proxy war he is supporting.

          • disqus_aJpixObjG7

            you sickening criminal, you supporter of mass murderers and genocide- you say that “russia” has the right to invade UKRAINE once again and mass murder UKRAINIANS once again.

          • StumpedNoMore2

            Is that all you got is to call someone names when you don’t win an argument. That is the typical Russian troll playbook. If you have any decency, you will have no problems debating me instead of naming calling which just show your real color.

          • disqus_aJpixObjG7

            oops, sorry stumped! that comment was meant for rommel 15- my error!

          • Laura Green

            yes, exactly. This civilian war on Ukrainian soil was brought by American bloody government
            1) http://scgnews.com/washingtons-role-in-the-ukrainian-coup-how-it-may-spin-out-of-control

            2) Behind Washington’s Demonization Of Putin: Graft For Hunter Biden, Shaft For Collaboration On Iran & Syria

            http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/behind-washingtons-demonization-of-putin-graft-for-hunter-biden-shaft-for-collaboration-on-iran-syria/

          • disqus_aJpixObjG7

            laura Gruen votes up his / her? own comments & is a paid criminal fighting with russia against FREEDOM DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS

          • LorCanada

            Laura — It is not a civil war on Ukrainian soil. It is Putin’s proxy war against Ukraine and his chosen armed henchmen are being supported by Pootie’s guns, tanks, missiles, ammunition, mercenaries, etc. The rebels have no money, they steal from the locals, and Putin sends them aid to continue their military onslaught on Ukrainian soldiers who are defending their own country against the terrorist invaders! Get your facts straight.

          • Sulfur12

            Hah, brothers war.
            By the same token Germans are the biggest brothers of all the other brothers. Assuming you define brotherhood between nations as “how much of them we killed over centuries”.

            Russia was NEVER pro-ukrainian. It ALWAYS wanted to subdue, destroy and assimilate ukrainians and if that didnt worked out-kill them.

          • Rommel15

            Racial and ethnic kin killing each other = brother’s war

          • Sulfur12

            Racial and ethnic? Last time I checked Russians were mongo-something, and Ukrainians were Rus descendants. Russians are not ethnically slavs. They think they are, but genetics beg to differ.

          • LorCanada

            Putin ain’t the brotherly type, lol. He has the shifty eyes of a weasel, if you ask me! He’s a dangerous, lying, cheating, thieving KGB operative who happened to work his way to the top of the Russian food chain and has since accumulated $40 BILLION $$$ by controlling everything and everybody. See also how Putin’s judo buddies have become billionaires. Open your eyes and face the truth!

          • evanlarkspur

            How about if you just uphold the treaties and agreements to which you are signatory, respect the sovereignty and borders of nations whose sovereignty and borders you have pledged to uphold, and stop practicing terrorism? Then you won’t have to put up with us lesser mortals shutting you down.

          • Rommel15

            I’m not Russian I don’t need to uphold any of those treaties if they do or don’t that’s their business.

            I expected reasonable dissent on here but it seems this thread has turned into nothing other than sh*tposting

          • evanlarkspur

            So when terrorists are blowing up children not only is it not your “business” but you actually defend the parties doing it. That people don’t support you in this means that there’s no “reasonable dissent” here, and this is all sh*tposting. Ok; our values are deeply different. I invite you to make a move for your own happiness to a forum the will better suit your personal values. RT probably has one, you could try the Ku Klux Clan website, too.

          • disqus_aJpixObjG7

            this is not a “pointless” war this is a BLACK AND WHITE war. A war between GOOD AND EVIL between Ukraine and its criminal INVADER- the murderous, racist genocidal dragon “russia” this is a war between civilization and “russia”

          • DejaVu

            Just flag Rommel15’s comments. He needs to receive his Darwin award.

          • Rommel15

            Keep flagging I don’t care this account is banned just about everywhere I need a new one anyways I’m falling behind all my friends.

          • disqus_aJpixObjG7

            you sickening criminal, you supporter of mass murderers and genocide- you say that “russia” has the right to invade UKRAINE once again and mass murder UKRAINIANS once again.

      • Czech Friend

        you’re full of shit, know that?

        • Rommel15

          nice argument

          • evanlarkspur

            Nice president

        • Rommel15

          When I say Moscow doesn’t have blood on its hands I mean the current government under the Federation, not the Soviet government which brought misery to central and eastern Europe.

          • StumpedNoMore2

            The current government? I would beg the differ if you ask the Ukrainian. Let ask the Georgian. Let not inject an opinion as a fact. That statement at best is subjective without any objectivity to began with.

      • evanlarkspur

        Well, not so very many people are tired of the West, really, if the number of nations who are desperately moving toward Western democracy and rule of law and leaving Russia behind are any indication. But as the real situation in the world is so inconvenient for your view of Russian superiority, please do continue desperately crowing that everyone wants what you have to offer, despite all the evidence. If your “reporters” can say it on TV, it MUST be true, it MUST be true, it MUST be true. Your poor heels are all worn out with the clicking. Remember that irritating, dispicable Poland that turned toward the West 15 years ago or so? You know, those people you alternately denigrate as subhuman, then parade as victims of Ukrainian fascism? They have a standard of living more than twice that of the vastly superior Russians now, sixth biggest economy in the EU. But we all know they secretly long to come back to Russia’s embrace to get massacred some more and an injection of corruption.

      • disqus_aJpixObjG7

        “russia” the criminal, mafia, fascist, degenerate entity on the level of an African banana republic is the BACKYARD of UKRAINE. This rommel 15 is an ally to racism, ethnic cleansing and mass murderer, so he himself, by his comment, has declared himself to be an accessory to mass murder.

        • Laura Green

          I wish you and your family this

          What Obama’s Ukrainian Stooges Did

          http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/obamas-ukrainian-stooges/#disqus_thread

          • disqus_aJpixObjG7

            “laura GRUEN or GRÜN?” the putinist stooge, upvotes his/her own criminal comments.
            What you are wishing to me from your evil heart and to the Ukrainian people laura Gruen, G-d will turn & plunge that very sword into your own heart.
            NEVER FORGET “laura GRUEN” that the UKRAINIAN PEOPLE SAVED THE JEWISH PEOPLE FROM THE NAZI HOLOCAUST. IT WAS THE 5 UKRAINIAN FRONTS OF 7.4 MILLION UKRAINIAN TROOPS WHO LIBERATED AUSCHWITZ & ALL THE NAZI DEATH CAMPS IN POLAND. These UKRAINIAN TROOPS DEFEATED HITLER IN UKRAINE as CHURCHILL WROTE.
            THERE ARE 2500 RIGHTEOUS UKRAINIANS HONORED IN JERUSALEM BUT ONLY a mere 240 of your “russian” heroes.

    • Laura Green

      That’s what brave people of East Ukkaine are fighting againseed of

      Chronicle of Genocide

      • disqus_aJpixObjG7

        “laura” Gruen votes up “her” own comments but is probably a man, in any case a russian collaborator

  • StumpedNoMore2

    The EU just sold Ukraine like a 50 cent candy. I have been preach about the conflict of interest within the EU regarding Ukraine. Right after the new deal was struck, the French are about to ship the two mistral ships to Russia. Hungry is negotiating with Russia on a gas deal already. It is business as usual and Ukraine lost Donbas and Crimea.

    Source: http://www.kyivpost.com/content/russia-and-former-soviet-union/associated-press-hungary-cannot-afford-not-to-talk-to-russia-interview-380449.html

    Source: http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/paris-may-start-mistral-ship-delivery-to-russia-soon-380464.html

  • Richard Hoover

    Ukraine wants EU ,,and thats them controlling the puppet strings,,,Ukraine eitther has to fight as usual as they do so damn well!!! with no weapons to match Russians or be sold out becuase of bussiness, Better it seems to Merkel and Holland that Ukraine gets a baloney sandwich without the mustard. I say fk em,,fight and USA step in and send the weapons. Poroshenko is so upset and emotional after seeing the death and carnage in front of his eyes while Putler is playing with his cotton floos hair in the mirror getting ready to Putin on his Ritz at Minsk,,,psycopath ,,,,,,Joker in Batman,,loves to hear himself lie and steal and kill and keep his hands clean,,its an addiction to him.Compulsive Kleptocratic thug swinging his guns around Dodge city,,,,come USA get John Wayne style and jam the arrel in his face with the Ukrainians using your weapons.
    They will bow to you for such a gift to get revenge!! and justice!

  • John H Newcomb

    Illarionov and Piontkovsky points are important to see that once again, Putin seems to come out on top but what about Ukraine membership in NATO? At this time, a referendum in Ukraine on NATO membership would probably win – as it probably would have even last Spring (IRI survey graphic below).

    For backgrounder, interesting to read article by Fitzpatrick on how US Russophiles got together with Kremlin-oriented Russians to cook up the Minsk mess:
    “Former Russian Intelligence Officers Behind Boisto “Track II” Talks – and Now the Flawed Minsk Agreement”: http://www.interpretermag.com/former-russian-intelligence-officers-behind-boisto-track-ii-talks-and-now-the-flawed-minsk-agreement/
    .

  • Fred Hernandez

    Weak European leaders again give in to a tyrant. Poroshenko needs their money however. But Ukrainians and Verkhovna Rada should as much as it pains… let go of the territories controlled by the separatists. They want to be independent so be it. They can seek money from Putin. Ukraine should not spend or send any money to these territories.

    • DejaVu

      Poroshenko is a traitor and one that deserves impeachment. He is Putin’s puppet, Just look at how Poroshenko broke all his election promises and also was a member of the party of regions.

      Look at his broken promises here:

      http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/11/14/poroshenkos-top-10-promises-he-didnt-keep/

      • sandy miller

        dejaVu what choice does Poroshenko have. Ukraine is alone in this fight without the proper means to support their military, or the people. What do you expect him to do. It’s europe and america especially the Uk that have done nothing except express their concern and draw red lines. Without help from the west Ukraine is screwed!!!! Or DejaVu are you really a Russian troll?

        • DejaVu

          Nope not a Russian troll but not a Poroshenko supporter either.

          Remember we are talking about the President of Ukraine who gave an oath when he became president. He broke all his election promises and did not give up his business interests.

          Ask yourself these questions:

          1. Why did Poroshenko not give up his business interests when taking the oath of presidency?

          2. Why was Poroshenko responsible for creating the Party of Regions.

          3. Why is it that a candidate who was not the front runner suddenly became a front runner in the election for presidency?

          4. Why does Poroshenko do nothing about the Russian humanitarian convoys?

          5. Why does Poroshenko say he is a president of peace when Ukraine is at war with Russia?

          6. Why does Poroshenko continue to make money on his businesses when the average monthly salary in Ukraine (in Kiev oblast) is $60 a month?

          7. Why does he choose to buy Coal from Russia when South Africa offered many times before.

          8. Why does Poroshenko allow export of coal to Russia and then is bought back?

          9. Why does Poroshenko refuse to have protesters demands met or even meet with protestors at the president building?

          10. Why hasn’t there been a declaration of martial law and a complete mobilization?

          11. Why does Poroshenko uphold the Minsk agreements and do business in Russia?

          • LorCanada

            To: DejaVu — Frankly, you flubbed it at No. 5 with “Why does Poroshenko say he is a president of peace when Ukraine is at war with Russia?” — You are incorrect since neither side has officially declared war: Putin doesn’t because it’d make him unpopular as well as hold him responsible for the destruction he’s done to Ukraine, nor could he get away with denying his little green men invaded (see: Strelkov’s account).
            When President Poroshenko was voted in as the new leader on May 25, 2014, the conflict was already ongoing in east Ukraine since Strelkov had arrived to overtake towns and cities, plunk down the Russian flag, and claim Ukraine territory as theirs. What idiots!
            One of the first things Poroshenko did was to present a ceasefire to the armed criminals in the east which would be followed with a Peace Plan. But the rebels ignored it and continued killing and wounding Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. So Poroshenko moved into Plan B which was a strong offensive to CLEAN UP THE ARMED CRIMINALS and bring peace to Ukraine. However, Putin was constantly sending in more and more guns, tanks, missiles, mercenaries, etc., to escalate the proxy war on Ukraine.
            The fault belongs to Putin for the death and destruction ongoing. It’s all part of his planned expansionism and people are just fodder for his ambitions.

          • DejaVu

            I didn’t flub anything Poroshenko supporter. You have failed to answer the other questions or why all 10 of Poroshenko’s election promises were also broken.

            In case you didn’t know the Russian ambassador to Kiev signed the latest Minsk agreement known as Minsk 2.0. Inadvertently they also acknowledged the presence of Tornado-S systems in Ukraine. I would say that is a defacto acknwowledgement that Russian forces are fighting against Ukranians.

            And please stop defending Poroshenko the chocolate oligarch. Do some proper research on his history and the corruption he has been involved with including pocketing money for himself under the Yuschenko administration. It’s so simple to look into this instead of posting a reply derending him.

          • LorCanada

            Speaking of corruption why not do some proper research on Putin’s history and the corruption he has been involved in which has made him a $42 BILLION $$$ fortune, and not to mention also his oligarch buddies who are also billionaires. How did they do it? Guess!

          • DejaVu

            That’s merely the tip of the iceberg. I have done my research and also my investigation into this and also the trail it leads.

            Look up Anatoliy Golitsyn and the Perestroika Deception and you will see that what is occurring especially with a former-KGBist is all part of the plan.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Golitsyn#Reactions

          • DejaVu

            It seems my post was removed or deleted.

            First off I did not flub any of my points above. It was the Russian ambassador to Kiev who signed the latest Minsk accord. In the document they also outline the presence of Tornado-S. This is a de-facto acknowledgement that Russia is involved in the military conflict against Ukraine. There are many more examples and I am not sure how many you need. The reality is that in this world a declaration of war is not necessary anymore and an antiquated concept. So the truth is that Ukraine and Russia are at war along with the mercenaries supplied by Russia for the DNR/LNR.

            Stop supporting Poroshenko because you are supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You still haven’t answered my questions above nor researched Poroshenko’s corruption scandals when he was involved with the Yuschenko administration. In fact he was forced to resign at the time due to this. This is the same corrupt Oligarch that the Ukranian people re-elected last year. With all the access to internet and information it seems that the Maidan only allowed the changing of the guard from one oligarch to another.

            Also honestly how can you defend Poroshenko when he constantly allows and upholds cease-fire violations and states he is a president of peace and not war.

            There are much better alternatives and real-patriots who care about Ukraine than Poroshenko. This is not just me saying this but my contacts in Ukraine as well who are fed up with Poroshenko. Don’t believe me ? Well why don’t you ask the soldiers on the front-line what they think of him.

          • DejaVu

            It seems my post was removed or deleted.

            First off I did not flub any of my points above. It was the Russian ambassador to Kiev who signed the latest Minsk accord. In the document they also outline the presence of Tornado-S. This is a de-facto acknowledgement that Russia is involved in the military conflict against Ukraine. There are many more examples and I am not sure how many you need. The reality is that in this world a declaration of war is not necessary anymore and an antiquated concept. So the truth is that Ukraine and Russia are at war along with the mercenaries supplied by Russia for the DNR/LNR.

            Stop supporting Poroshenko because you are supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You still haven’t answered my questions above nor researched Poroshenko’s corruption scandals when he was involved with the Yuschenko administration. In fact he was forced to resign at the time due to this. This is the same corrupt Oligarch that the Ukranian people re-elected last year. With all the access to internet and information it seems that the Maidan only allowed the changing of the guard from one oligarch to another.

            Also honestly how can you defend Poroshenko when he constantly allows and upholds cease-fire violations and states he is a president of peace and not war.

            There are much better alternatives and real-patriots who care about Ukraine than Poroshenko. This is not just me saying this but my contacts in Ukraine as well who are fed up with Poroshenko. Don’t believe me ? Well why don’t you ask the soldiers on the front-line what they think of him.

            Ask yourself these questions:

            1. Why did Poroshenko not give up his business interests when taking the oath of presidency?

            2. Why was Poroshenko responsible for creating the Party of Regions.

            3. Why is it that a candidate who was not the front runner suddenly became a front runner in the election for presidency?

            4. Why does Poroshenko do nothing about the Russian humanitarian convoys?

            5. Why does Poroshenko say he is a president of peace when Ukraine is at war with Russia?

            6. Why does Poroshenko continue to make money on his businesses when the average monthly salary in Ukraine (in Kiev oblast) is $60 a month?

            7. Why does he choose to buy Coal from Russia when South Africa offered many times before.

            8. Why does Poroshenko allow export of coal to Russia and then is bought back?

            9. Why does Poroshenko refuse to have protesters demands met or even meet with protestors at the president building?

            10. Why hasn’t there been a declaration of martial law and a complete mobilization?

            11. Why does Poroshenko uphold the Minsk agreements and do business in Russia?

          • LorCanada

            Poroshenko has warned about declaring martial law if the ceasefire fails this time around. We shall see. As to your questions, you’d best consult with a historian or a teacher of political science, not an ordinary Canadian, me, across the ocean who doesn’t make politics their ultimate goal.

          • DejaVu

            Too little too late.

            As for my questions I have asked that of my contacts and they agree that these are valid questions and ones that are worth investigating.

            That being said Ukraine needs a proper leader and not another Choclate oligarch otherwise the Maidan was in vane.

            You should also ask why volunteers and those who help the volunteers are doing the job properly when the regular army and national guard are failing to do their job such as logistics and proper supply line.

          • LorCanada

            The USA is arranging to assist the Ukrainian army as well as Canada will be providing satellite imagery capabilities to Ukraine’s army. That should help to nail down the Russian positions and improve response.

          • DejaVu

            They aren’t providing actual military satellite footage either. They are using Commercial Digital globe footage and imagery. Ukraine needs equipment such as ATGM’s , Counter-battery radars , anti-sniper radar etc….

  • Murf

    The ceasefire is as meaningless as the last two. Both sides can wiggle out of the conditions when ever they want to.
    The Rebels will continue pushing.Ukraine can refuse to recognize the elections, which won’t be free and fair, etc.
    THE most important thing is that the rebel leaders are not in the Rada.

    Ukraine can use this time to take a breath.
    They should continue to replace their losses, get the new conscripts trained up, most importantly continue cleaning up the Defense Ministry and the General Staff.
    The General Staff did better this time but they still leave a lot to be desired.
    Round two is almost over.
    Next will be Round Three; the Reckoning.

    • DejaVu

      The ceasefire will be violated and Ukrainian forces will be unable to respond in kind. Russia/DNR/LNR will violate this and Poroshenko being the coward he is will go and stuff himself with his broken election promises and his Roshen candy.

      • Murf

        The cease fire will not last one day.
        Neither side will pull back their heavy hitters. The Rebels will continue to attack because they haven’t won jack in 6 weeks of fighting.
        Any Arty that is pulled back can be brought back into position in a matter of hours. That is what is cool about motorized formations.
        This is not the amateur hour army of spring 2014. These guys have been fighting for almost a year now and they have learned a lot.
        Also in two days Azov and friends could be in Novoazovs’k.
        Evil chuckle;heh heh.

        • DejaVu

          https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/566026309131051009/photo/1

          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9rtvnKIEAE8YSp.png

          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9rtv7CIIAEbYsL.png

          Sure does look like a ceasefire doesn’t it? Get rid of Poroshenko ASAP. Maidan 3.0 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • disqus_aJpixObjG7

          Murf! one positive point is that UKRAINE has 99 PION artillery pieces that they are bringing out of mothballs.
          Senator Obama insisted that UKRAINE also had to destroy all its conventional weapons as well as its NUCLEAR ARSENAL for that infamous piece of soiled toilet paper
          – the budapest memorandum-
          but the PION artillery was overlooked. please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S7_Pion
          this artillery can hit the russian bandits from up to 50 kms distance

          • Murf

            You are correct Sir.
            the Pions are perhaps the largest operational artillery piece in the world. 203mm (8 inch) of pure boom stick fun.
            And Ukraine has the largest collection.

          • disqus_aJpixObjG7

            Murf, let’s hope that the PIONS will be aimed accurately by skilled artillerymen- to produce many, many loads of cargo 200 to fill those empty white russian “humanitarian” convoys on their way back to “russia”

          • Murf

            I saw a pic somewhere that showed a tank that had been hit by an explosive round that made a 8 foot deep crater. The tank was blown in half like God had stuck it with a stick.
            I have looked at a lot of vehicle wreckage but have never seen any thing like this.
            Other than a navel gun no land arty comes close the size of a crater.
            It must have been a Pion.

            So keep em coming Ukraine.

  • DejaVu

    All he wanted? Are you kidding me this is just the beginning. World War III will soon be thrust upon Europe and Merkel and Hollande will sell their country for more votes.

  • Laura Green

    Ukraine Deputy has proof of USA staging civil war in Ukraine.

  • Laura Green
    • sandy miller

      Stop the devisive crap. No body is buying your lies. Ukraine has a right to associate with any country they want to….It’s a sovereign country. Putin invaded and annexed Crimea. He has invaded eastern Ukraine and is killing Ukrainians. Those are the facts. He is the criminal and should be tried for his war crimes in Ukraine and while they’re at it for Georgia and Chechnya.

  • Laura Green

    Ukraine Deputy has proof of USA staging civil war in Ukraine”.

  • Laura Green

    Ukraine Deputy has proof of USA staging civil war in Ukraine.

    • canuke

      Go troll some place else, “Laura”.

    • disqus_aJpixObjG7

      “Laura Gruen” votes up “her” own “comments”! OLEG TSAROV is not a deputy of Ukraine but a murderer, a criminal today wanted by INTERPOL

  • jterlouw

    The only negotiation could be from my point of view to redrawn direct all troops from any part of ukraine (might aswell take ur murders in donbass with you), compensate for damage in gaz (i guess russia has not more left than 25 years ago), give up Crimea direct.
    if not west should plug out swift, turn down internet, freeze all money streams and forgeiner deposits, ban on travelling on russians, no russian airtraffic.
    keep this up for few months and Russia will dry up very quick!!