Zhirinovsky’s final solution for Ukraine would leave rump state within NATO and the EU

Vladimir Zhirinovsky

 

Analysis & Opinion, Russia

Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the flamboyant and often outrageous leader of the misnamed Liberal-Democratic Party of Russia, must not be ignored because he often expresses ideas circulating among more powerful figures in Moscow who for various reasons are not prepared to advance them in public.

That pattern makes Zhirinovsky’s latest remarks about the future of Ukraine especially troubling. He said on the First Studio talk show at the end of last week that “the final result” to the conflict in Ukraine will be that country’s partition “not tomorrow” but after many rounds of negotiations.

According to Zhirinovsky, “south-eastern Ukraine and the Russian population will go to Russia, but the north-west will become a nationalist state of seven to eight million people … will become a member of NATO and the European Union.” In this way, “the problem will be concluded: there will be no Ukrainian question!”

Lviv will be the capital of this new state, the LDNR leader says, because Kyiv, “the mother of Russian cities,” must be part of Russia; and the new country centered on Lviv will be called Galicia, a land-locked place, and in no way Ukraine with an outlet to the sea. Thus, the name “Ukraine” will disappear from the map of the earth.

Two things make Zhirinovsky’s remark noteworthy. On the one hand, his ideas about partition are not as far removed from those that Vladimir Putin’s Novorossiya project would appear to call for, one that would give Russia a land bridge not only to Crimea but to the Transdniestria region of Moldova as well, while depriving Ukraine of access to the sea.

And on the other, Zhirinovsky suggests that he sees a future in which a Ukrainian state, albeit one not called that and not in anything like its current borders, would be a member of the two key Western institutions, NATO and the EU, an indication that his words in this case likely reflect what Moscow may believe it can offer as a compromise some in the West might accept.

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  • zorbatheturk

    Lay off the crack pipe, dude.

    • veth

      He is an Jew, and full nazzi, aka an Russian.

      • Микола Данчук

        He is, Yevrey when he needs to hide, Nashi when taking a crap and Russian because that’s all he knows!

      • Oknemfrod

        Not by the Jewish law since his mother (nee Makarova) was not Jewish bu Russian.

      • Rafael Hernandez

        Like Poroshenko?

      • Screwdriver

        Your relatives , Jew haters, killed thousands of Jews in Lviv in 1941 ?

        • Микола Данчук

          And your relatives killed millions, including Jews!

        • Brent

          Hey “Screwball”, why are so many Jewish people leaving Russia the last few years? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/154d4c639601f2a8b6c9e871bc7e0d8eb091404f2d2add614c16a6e1ccca7ec5.jpg Because of all of your Neo Nazzi friends!!!

          https://www.rferl.org/a/jews-are-fleeing-/27107988.html

          • Screwdriver

            They round them up, torture and kill like OUN did in Lviv ?

        • Oknemfrod

          Read a quote below from Wiki about the events that had transpired in Lviv just before the Germans took the city in 1941. Then ask yourself why Moscow had decided to put Jewish NKVD personnel, pretty much without exception, in charge of this extermination operation and why those did their job so well in spite of the fact that their Jewish brethren (and not only Ukrainians and Poles) were among the prisoners, too. The ensuing pogroms in which the outraged population turned on the local Jews (who had nothing to do with the prison massacre) cannot be justified in any way, shape, or form; however, the reason can be at least understood, as nobody can say the pogroms weren’t provoked, not to mention egged on by the Germans. But what provoked the NKVD’s Jews who perpetrated the prison massacre to kill the thousands of people, including other Jews, in cold blood and by most barbaric methods imaginable? Sometimes it’s useful to put one’s one-dimensional ethnic proclivities aside and look at the picture with an unbiased eye.

          “The NKVD executed several thousand inmates in a number of provisional prisons. Among the common methods of extermination were shooting the prisoners in their cells, killing them with grenades thrown into the cells or starving them to death in the cellars. Some were simply bayoneted to death. It is estimated that over 4000 people were murdered that way, while the number of survivors is estimated at approximately 270. A Ukrainian uprising briefly forced the NKVD to retreat, but it soon returned to kill the remaining prisoners in their cells. In the aftermath, medical students described the scene at one of the prisons: “From the courtyard, doors led to a large space, filled from top to bottom with corpses. The bottom ones were still warm. The victims were between 15 and 60 years old, but most were 20-35 years old. They laid in various poses, with open eyes and masks of terror on their faces. Among them were many women. On the left wall, three men were crucified, barely covered by clothing from their shoulders, with severed male organs. Underneath them on the floor in half-sitting, leaning positions – two nuns with those organs in their mouths. The victims of the NKVD’s sadism were killed with a shot in the mouth or the back of the head. But most were stabbed in the stomach with a bayonet. Some were naked or almost naked, others in decent street clothes. One man was in a tie, mostly likely just arrested.”

          • Screwdriver

            “The ensuing pogroms in which the outraged population turned on the local Jews (who had nothing to do with the prison massacre) cannot be justified in any way, shape, or form; however, the reason can be at least understood”
            Can you read in Russian ?
            http://www.owl.ru/morits/stih/off-records642.htm

          • Oknemfrod

            Can you read in English? The reread what I wrote: “The ensuing pogroms in which the outraged population turned on the local Jews (who had nothing to do with the prison massacre) cannot be justified in any way, shape, or form“.

            As to what you’re citing, by doing so you’re comparing apples and oranges. Oles’ Buzina didn’t kill anyone – he just provoked people by intentionally saying ugly, outrageous things. The NKVD butchers in L’viv – who happened to be Jewish – tortured and killed thousands of innocent people, including other Jews.

            You seem to not comprehend the difference between justifying an action and understanding its motives. If someone were calling your wife or mother bad names in front of you at every opportunity and you killed him out of outrage, I wouldn’t say you should’ve killed him but I’d understand your motive – and in a court of law, your crime would be classified quite differently from a premeditated murder (and your sentence would be much less harsh accordingly).

            Yunna Morits seems to not understand the difference, either. On the page you linked, the words “Я этого не говорю. Но я понимаю мотивы людей, которые это сделали.” belong to Svetlana Alexievich, a Nobel Prize winner in literature. Understanding motives of people’s actions is what writers do; remember “Crime and Punishment“?. But Morits, for all her poetic prowess, is too dumb to comprehend it; she’s just blinded by her misguided hatred towards the Ukrainian nationalists, as her little (and, quite frankly, poorly written) verse on the same page clearly shows.

            Morits is not the only Jew poisoned by the idiotic notion that all Ukrainian nationalists have been anti-Semites. They would know better if they cared to researched the issue, but they prefer not to and dwell in the illusion created in their mind by the sovok propaganda demonizing the Banderites. To wit, neither OUN nor UPA had any systemic policy against the Jews. Not only that, but the most prominent ideologist of Ukrainian nationalism was none else but Lev Rebet, a friend of Bandera and himself a one hundred percent Jew. (The KGB have murdered both, but they killed Rebet first.) The entire medical corps of UPA consisted of nobody but Jews. Roman Shukhevich risked his own life (and gravely endangered his own family) to save a Jewish girl from the Germans by adopting her and creating an alter ego for her. If Morits and other Jews like her cared to learn a little about the Ukrainian nationalists and their history, they wouldn’t look so asinine in the eyes of those (including other Jews) who’ve learned a thing or two about the matter.

          • Screwdriver

            Sometimes the murder can look very innocent…if we recall “L’Étranger “… Yes, we can understand people actions, but when you dwelling on the motives it looks like justifying the crime. This is what Morits expressed.
            By the way I am very glad you familiar with Morits and Aleksievich. :-)
            “Morits is not the only Jew poisoned by the idiotic notion that all Ukrainian nationalists have been anti-Semites” Exaggeration . We know that many Jews collaborated with Germans, we know that many Iranian Jews supporting Iranian regime, we know that huge amount of Jews supported Soviet regime, and many of them personally guilty of the horrible crimes. Same thing with Ukrainian nationalists and they pocket Jews. We know about them, and we also now about the fairy tales, Stella Krenzbach is a good example.
            “neither OUN nor UPA had any systemic policy against the Jews”, …yes we heard that many times, however documents ( “yes, of course they doctored by NKVD) exist, many of them in Yad Vashem center, and many of them were published. http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9798/17851200.24a/0_a0310_18000915_XXL.jpg

  • Микола Данчук

    It’s always the ones with the big mouths (and no balls) that are willing to sacrifice others for their stupidity!
    They can’t fix the problems in their own country but are experts about others.

  • gmab

    Someone, anyone, please give him a “heart attack to go”.

  • Scradje

    That is also the policy of fuehrer pootler. Face it; RuSSia is a naцi state.

  • Robert

    Wow!?! WHAT has this zhirinovsky been smoking and/or drinking? Now we have a PAIR of paranoid delusional ‘vladys’! :) They’re out there, man – _WAY_ out there… COMPLETELY out of touch with reality… thank God Russian males on average have one of the shortest lifespans on Planet Earth…

  • http://www.krantvannederland.nl/ Cees Boogaart

    SO.. in fact, Russian Federation wants to repeat the Soviet Union HOLODOMOR again ???

    Putain’s invasion in Crimea and Donbas united the majority of Ukrainians, whether speaking Ukrainian or Russian, in fact Russian speaking Ukrainians were the first to stand up to defend their country, CAUSE your home (country) is where your heart is, not which language you speak.

    BTW, it doesn’t matter what the West might accept, Ukraine never ever will accept another
    Budapest Memorandum from USA, UK and RF again!

  • Ihor Dawydiak

    In the time of Peter the Great, the Russian Tsar employed a court jester who was aptly named Ivan Durak (Johnny Ding Dong). For his part and considering himself as Russia’s greatest emperor as well as his desire not to be outclassed, Pompous Pimple Head Putin the Pederast has tried to make himself appear intelligent by having Vladimir Himno Spitball Zhirinovsky fill a similar role. At the same time, Russia’s foremost fascist polygamous pygmy could send a message to his land of slaves that there are others worse than him while cackling with his closest hyenas in the background.

  • Randolph Carter

    “…there will be no Ukrainian question!”

    I didn’t know there was a “Ukrainian question” other to Russia: “How quickly can you get your scumbag asses out of our country”? followed by an appropriately low figure and immediate proof thereof. To quote from the US Holocaust Museum: “On September 16, 1919, Hitler
    issues his first written comment on the so-called Jewish Question.” and
    we all know how that turned out.

    The fact that Putin (or one of his sock puppets) is raising the idea of a “Ukrainian Question” is frighting – Putin already suppresses the Tatars and is requiring that Russian be taught in schools Ukraine-wide along with the forced adoption of the ruple (one Hrivnia is worth only 2.33 rubles) in Donbas, which devalues their currency along with its psychological effects. Putin is trying to covertly infiltrate Ukraine with Russian society without firing a shot, which might rouse NATO troops – not sure what the outcome of a face-to-face battle between Russian troops and NATO forces would be like.

    I wonder if the general state of poverty and almost being a third-world country is effectively preventing all-out war. War is expensive and requires alliances with other countries. Since Russian has become a pariah in the international community and is on the brink of bankruptcy, whom would he go to for supplies and ammunition? Realizing that Russia would stand alone, plus be ostracized for being initiators of an all-out war wouldn’t be in Russia’s best interest – they probably couldn’t sustain it, and unpaid troops are definitely not the best in battle.

    Hence, a covert war. Assimilation of Donbas and Crimea into Russian territories is like Hitler saying that he only wants lebensraum. Changing the official language, rewriting history, censorship of history books and adoption of Russian currency are like the camel sticking his nose in the tent. I bet his next goal will be either Mariupol and Kharkiv under the pretense that under the Kievan Rus, they were Russian cities (please correct me if I’m wrong about this). Incrementally taking small parts of Ukraine will eventually lead to what Zhirinovsky is saying – Ukraine would diminish until it is nothing more than a footnote in history. I hope the G20 leaders realize this and will act to stop Putin now rather than waiting for him to gather resources that would make a war viable.

    • veth

      First solve the Russian question………….

      • Quartermaster

        That’s the far larger question.

    • gmab

      There was no Russia when Kievan Rus was a power. Kharkiv was Ukraine’s Capital during their first Independence in 1919.

      • Randolph Carter

        Interesting – thanks for the information. Many people talk about Kiev being older than Moscow and I jumped to the conclusion.

  • veth

    http://112.international/conflict-in-eastern-ukraine/russian-pow-confirms-he-served-with-regular-army-18696.html

    Russian soldier arrested in Donbass admits he is an active soldier of the Russian Army.

  • Murf

    If loud mouths and big talk were all it took to rule the world; Russia would be the super power they think they are.

  • Brent

    It would be more appropriate to break Russia up into little pieces first and scatter them to different neighbors as protectorates where maybe the Russian people can be fed properly.

    It’s funny how Russia hates anyone meddling in its affairs yet is ready to come up with the most idiotic suggestions for its victimized neighbors. Too bad for Russia that so few Ukrainians, whether ethnically Ukrainian or Russian or Tatar want anything to do with more Russian domination.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/60c9b16a8c71818204f34415ea4d59cb9002e41a07ed5be856b24481dfe7293f.jpg

    • zorbatheturk

      Definitely. There is no country more absurd than RuSSia.

  • Dirk Smith

    The court jester for the Tambov mafia. He should have had his “accident” years ago.

  • Nikoli

    They have been calling for a “final solution” for over a century, they can’t get anything right.

  • Screwdriver

    Zhirinovskiy was right when he said that Stalin made a big mistake about Ukraine. If Stalin would take eastern and central parts of “Ukrainian SSR” and move them under “RSFSR” jurisdiction. and Western Ukraine (Galicia) would remain “Ukrainian SSR”. This way historical parts of Russian “Malorossiya” would never become the “Ukraine”.

    • Rafael Hernandez

      And when you talk about these “bad” Russian and Soviet leaders look at this

      Lenin gave Donbass to Ukraine
      Lenin created Ukraine
      Stalin gave entire eastern Poland to Ukraine
      Khruschev gave Crimea to Ukraine

      • Murf

        Lenin was not Russian
        Stalin was Georgian.
        Khrushchev was Ukrainian.
        Russian leaders steal Ukraine land.

        • Rafael Hernandez

          “Khruschev was Ukrainian”
          Gave away Crimea from Russia to Ukraine. I rest my case :)

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            First, as I pointed out above, Khrushchev was NOT Ukrainian. Second, it wasn’t Khrushchev but Georgi Malenkov- another Russian- who transferred the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR conform a prior decision by Stalin, Pedo Putolini’s Great Hero and Shining Example. Really, you Savushkina trolls should study history before posting. You might even learn something.

          • Murf

            So when will Russia be returning the land that was exchanged for Crimea?
            The Russian Supream Court ruled the exchange illegal.
            So Russia illegally holds an equal amount of Ukrainian land centered roughly on Tragnog City up to the Don River.
            Get the fu*k out!
            Now!

          • Brent

            Yes, “Ralphie”…..time to rest that walnut sized brain of yours before it overheats!!!

            http://www.browsebiography.com/bio-nikita_s_khrushchev.html

          • Oknemfrod

            Good. You should’ve rested it a long time ago ’cause you got no case.

        • Dagwood Bumstead

          Khrushchev was NOT Ukrainian, but Russian. He was born in Kalinovka, Kursk Gubernate, to ethnic Russian parents.

          • Murf

            Huh?
            The Trolls always whined that he was Ukrainian and because of that he handed over Crimea to Ukraine.
            They forget that Ukraine handed over an equal amount of prime farm land for that crummy peninsula.
            Regardless I stand corrected.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            The land transers to the RSFSR- which included Taganrog- occurred in 1919-1922, well before the Crimea was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR so there’s no direct connection between the transfers. Still, the Crimean transfer can be construed as a belated compensation for the earlier loss of territory.
            Stalin, Pedo Putolini’s Great Hero and Shining Example, decided to transfer the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR but died in March 1953 before he could actually carry it out. In the summer of 1953 his direct successor Malenkov and Khrushchev visited the Crimea to see the situation for themselves. They came to the conclusion that Stalin was right and that the peninsula’s problems, including a severe water shortage, could indeed best be solved by transferring it to the Ukrainian SSR and reported accordingly to the Presidium as the Politburo was known then. The Presidium- which included Kaganovich, Voroshilov, Molotov, Bulganin, Anastas Mikoyan and others- approved and the Crimea was formally transferred to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954, with Voroshilov as Head of State signing the decree on 19/2/1954.
            The water shortage, by the way, has come back to haunt the demented pedophile dwarf.

      • Brent

        And all Putin gave you was a lousy t-shirt and a job as a lying Russo Nazzi troll….I guess you really got skrewed “Ralphie”!!!!

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/32eabe5b3c1625d760b15c32d0f291bf9c24e7e18465f6c2186c626d9afc4e11.jpg

      • Oknemfrod

        First of all, Lenin took the whole of Ukraine by force, overrunning its legitimate government with his Bolshevik hordes, and in violation of the Brest treaty he had signed. After he had stolen the whole thing, it was easy for him to decide what was Ukraine and what was not, all the more that after the creation of the USSR ruled in its entirety from Moscow, it didn’t mean a damn thing.

        • Dagwood Bumstead

          Lenin was only able to overrun the Ukraine because under the terms of the November 11th 1918 Armistice Germany had to withdraw all of its armed forces from the Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics, though in reality German forces remained in the Baltics for some time afterwards (fortunately for the Baltics). The German withdrawal resulted in a power vacuum as there were no Allied forces to take their place apart from some scattered White Russian forces- who weren’t exactly welcome. Nor, for that matter, were the Bolsheviks.

          • Oknemfrod

            Agreed.

    • Brent

      The only big mistake was not listening to General Patton and marching all the way to Muscovy…..

      • Screwdriver

        Rich imagination, I doubt Patton ever mentioned that. Looks like yellow Ukro-press story.

        • Oknemfrod

          You’re flat wrong about that. Said Patton:
          “We promised the Europeans freedom. It would be worse than dishonorable not to see they have it. This might mean war with the Russians, but what of it? They have no Air Force anymore, their gasoline and ammunition supplies are low. I’ve seen their miserable supply trains; mostly wagons draw by beaten up old hoses or oxen. I’ll say this; the Third Army alone with very little help and with damned few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don’t ever forget them… Someday we will have to fight them and it will take six years and cost us six million lives.”

          • Screwdriver

            When did he say that ?

          • Микола Данчук

            That wasn’t covered in your history class?

          • Oknemfrod

            Isn’t Google you friend?

          • Screwdriver

            His quotation from WIKI comes with invalid link

  • Dagwood Bumstead

    And just how does Vladimir Eidelstein think he- or rather Dwarfstan- can achieve this? With what?
    If any country is going to be dismantled, it will be Dwarfstan. Peking is patiently waiting for the right moment to send in its own “little gleen men” to take over large parts of Dwarfstan’s Far East- it already controls much of it de facto, if not yet de jure. Peking will then hold its own “lefelendum” and proclaim the territories Chinese- and there’s nothing the dwarf can do to stop it.

  • Tchitcherine

    I dimly recall Putin saying Russia had no interest whatsoever in incorporating the “People’s Republics”…

  • Tchitcherine

    Zhirinovksky, whoever he might be,does not understand that the West is not a reflection of Russia, it has no imperial ambitions whatsoever (to some extend, such ideas are sprouting in Germany, including a pact with “Greater Russia” but then it’s questionable if these german politicians are pro-western in any sense). The West does not have a sphere of influence nor does it want one. For Ukraine this means, it can rely ONLY ON ITSELF when it comes to national defense- to many Ribbentrops out there. Which I trust her to be able to.