Russia caught between economic decline and potentially explosive demographic change

The grave digger wearing a t-shirt of Russia's ruling party "United Russia." (Image: social media)

The grave digger wearing a t-shirt of Russia's ruling party "United Russia." (Image: social media) 

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Russia’s economic development ministry says that the country’s GDP growth will be approximately half of one percent lower each year because of projected declines in the number of workers in Russia in the coming decades, a decline that the ministry says must be fought by increasing immigration.

But any immigration sufficient to cover that decline in the size of the working-age cohort will not only increasingly consist of people who are culturally, linguistically and religiously dissimilar to the current residents of Russia and accelerate the shifting balance between Orthodox and Muslims in its population.

Russia could avoid this problem by dramatically increasing labor productivity, something the government and most experts do not think is possible, or by driving down mortality rates among working age Russian males, a step that would be very expensive, or attracting back into the workforce pensioners, a step with unpredictable political consequences.

As a result, the Russian government, far sooner than many have predicted, will face a Hobson’s choice between slower economic growth or even accelerated economic decline and a changing ethnic and cultural balance that will certainly exacerbate tensions within society by dramatically increasing the share of Muslims in the population of Russia.

Irina Grigoryeva of Izvestia reports today that the economic development ministry says that in the coming years, Russia will lose one million working age Russians annually and that if steps to compensate for this aren’t taken, that alone will cut GDP growth by 0.4 to 0.5 percent.

The ministry believes that Russia can make up for this demographic decline by boosting labor productivity, but Russian experts and politicians say that this is likely impossible. They are also skeptical about reducing mortality rates or attracting pensioners back to the workforce.

If they are right – and they have recent history on their side – Russia will have to attract a dramatic increase in the number of immigrants. Most of these will come from Central Asia or the South Caucasus, and they will be increasingly different from the Russians with whom they will be working.

Many will no longer speak Russian fluently if at all. Many will not identify with the Soviet collective of the past but rather with their own countries. And many will be offended by the increasing xenophobia among Russians, attitudes that are making these people more nationalistic and even anti-Russian than would otherwise be the case.

But the big change will be in the demographic make-up of the Russian Federation’s population. Three factors are driving this:

  • First, non-Russians and especially Muslim nations within Russia have higher birthrates than do ethnic Russians.
  • Second, ethnic Russian males suffer disproportionately higher death rates among working age groups.
  • And third, immigration in the future will add almost exclusively to the Muslim side of the balance.

It is already the case that the share of Muslims in Russia is far higher than the Kremlin admits especially if one includes the 12 to 15 million gastarbeiters who are disproportionately from Central Asia and Azerbaijan and Muslim rather than Orthodox.

That pattern was less extreme in the 1990s because many ethnic Russians did return from the non-Russian countries, but now, despite Putin’s call for repatriation of compatriots, the number of Russian or at least Orthodox immigrants is extremely small in comparison to the number of Muslims.

And that means, if the Russian government is to avoid presiding over economic growth far lower or even negative than it wants, Moscow will have to take in more immigrant workers and these workers will leave it with a population very much less Russian and Orthodox Christian than the Kremlin will like and stability would appear to require.

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  1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

    misleading and biased post. Russia is doing a lot better than Ukraine. Without handouts, Ukraine collapses.

    1. Avatar Steve says:

      Yeah Right and I guess you believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Mother Goose, Alice in Wonderland, and perhaps even in the Hobbit. Oh yes and least we not forget the Little Green men that invaded Crimea and the Donbas.

      1. Avatar Mick Servian says:

        This is one of the saddest sites I’ve ever come across. Constantly rambling about fairytales in between sowing ethnic discord.
        Ukraine has been independent for ages. And? Still a basket case.
        This is what cia fuelled wild illogical fascist nationalism looks like. Instead of working, these faux intellectuals look to decommunize, derussianize, de whatever. Sounds like crazyness.
        They think this money will go on for all time.
        No let’s just sit back and foreign investments can fuel us. We just have to make the place nice.
        Get rid of the Russians.
        They are to blame for everything. Not us.
        It’s the Russians
        Pathetic

        1. Avatar Steve says:

          Thank you for your regurgitation of Russian Troll Talking Points. And yes it was and still is the Russian’s who INVADED and ILLEGALLY ANNEXED Crimea and who started the war in the Donbas, who do not make the slightest attempt to honor Minsk II and support the puppet regimes called the DNR/LNR with weapons, tanks, and lots of other equipment know to only be in the Russian Army and never in Ukraine. And thanks to you for helping to support the killing of innocent men, women and children on MH-17. Hope you continue to enjoy the sanctions put not only by the West on you but by your hero Putin.

          1. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            West sanctioning me? Hahaha
            I don’t support the slaughter of innocents. Don’t put words in my mouth.
            Maybe Ukraine should have let the republics go. There’s a novel idea.
            Instead of seeing cash at the prospect of leasing out its military base.
            You can deny ethnic Ukrainians live in that area but that’s just bs that doesn’t pass logical scrutiny.
            The US are going to love traitors like you. Cause they really respect them. Judging by sakashvili’s appointment.
            You’re constantly forced to run circles around your lies. And cry Russian propaganda like a misunderstood child every time someone questions you.
            Independent my ass. Beggars for handouts. Nothing more.
            That’s why you can’t criticize your paymasters.
            Count your self lucky though. Most American citizens aren’t in a position to receive welfare handout. But they have reserves for you welfare bludgers.

          2. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            So, you support the slaughter of dignity?
            Logically speaking, there is no room in your mouth for words, is there?

          3. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Support the slaughter of dignity?
            What? What nonsensical hyperbole?
            Do you actually talk like that retard?
            Logically speaking? But you don’t.
            I can see you there wringing your hands like a child that’s uncovered god knows what.
            You’re a five year old eh?
            Sad mate, sad.

          4. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            Nothing of intellect to offer?
            Yes, sad to be sure!

          5. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            “It’s not me….its you…”lol
            Go educate yourself
            Then you won’t be so sad

          6. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            Yes, of course, sucks when you can’t relate beyond a five year old?
            So so sad indeed!

          7. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            I know eh?
            “You can’t relate beyond a five year old…nanannana….”lol
            Pathetic

          8. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            Yes you are!

          9. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Sorry we can’t all be of the fascist master race that you are from.
            Racist turd

          10. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            How can you be sorry when you’re a sorry excuse for whatever you are?

          11. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Why you’re trolling me then?
            Lol

          12. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            I don’t like liars, ignorant ones at that!

          13. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Whatever mr vietnam vet. Blocked

          14. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Is that you and your friends?
            Anyway you know we don’t condone “whataboutism” here.

          15. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

            I hope those 3 don’t win the green card lottery.

          16. Avatar gmab says:

            Don’t worry- they’d probably sell it for a few bottles of real vodka & think they got the better deal.

          17. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            mongol as an insult is not used in the USA. besides Japanese are similar in genetics and language. They are doing a lot better than Russia or Ukraine. An armed Japan is equal or superior to Russia. The problem is Japan can’t take many nukes since the main population is in 1 area. The last time Japan fought Russia, Japan won.

          18. Avatar Brent says:

            You’re no one’s “mate”. You’re just another stooge A$$clown.

          19. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            So why are you trolling me.
            Figure of speech gronk.
            Of course i wouldn’t be mates with racist morons like you mate. Lol

          20. Avatar Brent says:

            Actually “Dick Servant”, you DO SUPPORT the slaughter of innocents with your support of the Kremlin Mafia and their terrorist funding operations in Afghanistan where they supply weapons to the Taliban…..Syria, where they bomb hospitals and give weapons to Hezzbollah….and Ukraine where the support the miniscule amount of pro-Russians (even Strelkov admitted he couldn’t find 1000 Ukrainians to fight for Russia’s invasion).

            You’re so stoopid, you don’t even realize no one else even recognizes the Russian invaded portions of Donbass as “Republics”….you’re the idiot regurgitating propaganda. Go slither back to what orifice you were birthed from….

          21. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Whatever
            Fascist propaganda tool.
            All you can do is name call and kill your own people.
            While your country is broken up.
            Who cares about the real problems eh?
            As long as welfare keeps coming you’re sweet.

          22. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Russia does not want Donbas. The main problem is keeping Ukraine out of NATO. Ukraine is not eligible to join NATO if it is in a conflict. Hence low grade war in Donbas. All Ukraine has to do is declare neutrality and many peaceful opportunities are then available.

          23. Avatar veth says:

            Ukraine will never surrender anymore to fascist Russia.

          24. Avatar Murf says:

            All Russia has to do is withdraw from the illegally occupied territories and the sanctions go away and many peaceful opportunities are then available.

          25. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            I agree. If donbass doesn’t want to be part of Ukraine. Why should it.
            Ukraine declaring neutrality and stopping bombing of it. Would be fine.

          26. Avatar Eddy Verhaeghe says:

            Tomas, Ukraine was a neutral country and nobody there wanted to join NATO before the RF took the Crimea and started that low ‘grade war in the Donbas’. Go tell your fairytales to people that can’t reason.

          27. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Crimea was the only republic in Ukraine. Mostly Russians the republic voted to leave Ukraine. Russia let Ukraine leave without a drop of blood. Why can’t Donbas and Crimea go back to Russia after they vote to leave Ukraine.

          28. Avatar Steve says:

            Bull manure. A Vote under an AK-47, A74, AK-90 is a vote under a gun and is not a valid vote. The referendum (vote as you call it) has not been recognized by any civilized country. And no Russia did not let Ukraine leave without a drop of blood. What part of 10,000+ killed do you not understand??

          29. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

            Your entire paragraph is subject to heavy discussion and correcting…

          30. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            you seem to think Ukraine is better than Russia for Crimeans. The first day of the new Ukrainian government, the Rada passed a law that speaking Russian in Ukraine would be a crime. How do you think most of the Russian speaking Russian in Crimea felt? Ukraine neglected Crimea since most are ethnic Russians.

          31. Avatar Steve says:

            U speak of Russian talking points. The foundation less argument you now present is over three years old. So please no longer use Russian Speaking as an argument to seize land. Because I will ask you when are you coming for Alaska?

          32. Avatar veth says:

            Speaking in Ukrainin in Donbass and Crimea is forbidden by the Russian Army.

          33. Avatar gmab says:

            BS- what are your sources? RT, Sputnik, Rossiya 1.

          34. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            what are you talking about?

          35. Avatar Brent says:

            Hey “Tommy The Troll”, can you explain why out of all of those “mostly Russians” in Crimea, that you think wanted independence that in 2010’s LEGITIMATE Crimean Parliamentary elections, that only 4% of them voted for Sergei Aksyonov’s separatist Russian Unity Party?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_parliamentary_election,_2010

            Let me guess, you’re dumb enough to believe 123% of Sevastopol residents actually voted in the farcical 2014 Russian run referendum?

            http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/03/17/over-123-of-sevastopol-residents-vote-to-join-russia/

            Those are ACTUAL FACTS, and not the bullsh*t Russian propaganda you’re spinning….but thanks for proving how much of a mindless sheeple you really are….

          36. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            you facts are more likely bogus, Crimeans are mostly Russian and would rather be under Russian rule.

          37. Avatar veth says:

            tHEN ASK FOR ASYL IN NAZZI-rUSSIA.

          38. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            I think you incorrectly use the tern Nazi as an insult. It is Western Ukraine that is the worldwide epi-center of the Nazi movement. Poland is currently the most Nazi like country.

          39. Avatar veth says:

            6 Fascist parties in Duma. Russia supports every fascist party worldwide.

          40. Avatar Eddy Verhaeghe says:

            Western Ukraine can’t be ‘the worldwide epi-center of the Nazi movement’ at the same time as ‘Poland is currently the most Nazi like country.’

          41. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            why not. Western Ukraine is not a country. Western Ukraine is part of Ukraine. Poland is a nation and the most Nazi country in the world. If Petro loses power, the Ukrainian Nazi might take over. Ukraine might then become the most Nazi country in the world.

          42. Avatar gmab says:

            Mostly Russians that were shipped in to replace the Tatars who were deported to Gulags. They do not have “roots” there at all- same as in Donbass. You really know very little about a country that you once wished to live in.

          43. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            I just know Ukraine is too poor and undesirable for a person that looks Japanese. Russia is better.

          44. Avatar Eddy Verhaeghe says:

            I don’t think that Russia is very welcoming to people that look Japanese…

          45. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Russia is better. FYI: the ancestral homeland of the Japanese people is Russia. I feel more comfortable in Russia than Ukraine.

          46. Avatar Murf says:

            “you facts are more likely bogus”
            Prove him wrong.

          47. Avatar gmab says:

            When there’s a real legitimate vote- then why not. Go back to troll school- you don’t know enough about Ukraine to comment.

          48. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            all relative, besides not interested in a loser country, although I though of living there till I got there. unfit for Americans.

          49. Avatar gmab says:

            Try Russia, they might take you. I’m sure Ukraine kicked you out.

          50. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            like I said before Russia is better except the weather.

          51. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            not interested in Ukraine. still want to visit Odesa though.

          52. Avatar gmab says:

            Thanks for the warning!

          53. Avatar veth says:

            tHERE WAS NO VOTE, NAZZI. DONBASS AND CRIMEA ARE UKRAINE. RUSSIA INVADED.

          54. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

            How can ot be illegaly annexed, if it was the will of the people? Does not Ukraine respect the very fundamental right?

          55. Avatar RedSquareMaidan says:

            The “vote” was illegal, occupied and not recognized by anyone civilized. In fact the UN vote Russia only had the support of 10 out of 193 countries. You lose.

          56. Avatar gmab says:

            We’ve been telling this Venezualian RTroll the same thing repeatedly since UAToday. He’s just looking for cash per comment since he’s still unemployable in the U.S.

          57. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            the US ruled UN does not want it. but Kosovo is OK since the US said yes.

          58. Avatar Murf says:

            Then why was there two Chechen wars?

        2. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

          What is ‘Pathetic’?
          You being here or the ignorance you profess?

        3. Avatar Murf says:

          And what happened when the Ukrainians(Russian and Ukrainians) tryed to remove the Basket Case Manager and his cronies?
          Russia invaded in a pathetic bid to preserve the status quo.
          So let’s be clear; Russians don’t mind if Ukraine stays a basket case just so long as they are RUSSIA’S basket case

          1. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Your own people are leaving.
            Get real

          2. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            have you noticed Ukraine is worse under USA rule. USA does care about Ukraine. USA just wants missiles in Ukraine aimed at Russia.

          3. Avatar RedSquareMaidan says:

            Only you spoon fed RTrolls, believe that. Putin’s inherent fascism is destroying Russia. Who would stay on a sinking ship? Just you RTrolls.

          4. Avatar Brent says:

            Have you noticed how much your beloved Russian is deteriorating under Putin’s Mafia?

            Worry about your own backyard “Tommy The Troll”.

          5. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            true, but do to USA ordering sanctions

          6. Avatar Eddy Verhaeghe says:

            How does this square with the Kremin saying that sanctions don’t really have that much of an influence on Russia’s economy?

          7. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Sanctions will do nothing. Russia has Crimea now and forever.

          8. Avatar Murf says:

            Interestingly Ukraine out ranks Russia in the Social Progress Index 64th to Russia’s 67th.
            Also Ukraine is no longer the most corrupt country in Europe. According to Transparency International Ukraine and Russia are tied for that dubious honor. The difference is Ukraine has improved 4 pts while Russia has been stagnate for years.
            Speaking of stagnation; Ukraine’s economy grew more in the first quarter of 17 than Russia’s in the last 3 years combined.
            Lastly the US has cruise missiles with a range 1800 kms and heavy bombers to deliver them with.
            We don’t need Ukraine for that.
            NOW Russia has UKRAINIAN missiles pointed them.
            Smart move.

          9. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            you are counting handouts in economic growth. Any missile that strikes Russian land allows Russia to respond with nukes. not a good idea to strike Russia.

          10. Avatar veth says:

            Trial for downing MH17 goes on, despite Russian objections to it.

          11. Avatar Murf says:

            They didn’t in 2014 when the Ukrainians artillery landed in their territory.
            All they did was puff up their chests and threaten to invade.
            That worked in 2014.
            That was then, this is now.

          12. Avatar gmab says:

            what an idiott. USA wants missiles in Ukraine aimed at Russia? You’ve got to be kidding. hahahahaha

          13. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            you are the idiot. US missiles are now operational in Romania. Poland just bought missiles. US calls them defensive missiles. won’t take much to bring in offensive missiles when there is an operational missile base. http://thehill.com/policy/defense/340837-poland-plans-to-buy-patriot-missiles-from-us-report

          14. Avatar veth says:

            In November American weapons are for Ukraine!

          15. Avatar veth says:

            Ukraine has started application procedure for NATO-membership!

          16. Avatar gmab says:

            Any clue, brainchild, why these countries are suddenly buying weapons & accepting NATO’s support?

          17. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Whatever.

        4. Avatar Brent says:

          so why are you wasting your “valuable time” here “Dick Servant”? Or you don’t want to rescind your assignment from your Kremlin Masters to make a lying A$$ of yourself?

          Go to Fort Russ or Sputnik where your idiocy will be appreciated….but unlikely funded by the Kremlin…..

          1. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Yeah that’s the thing.
            Unlike you i don’t receive welfare support from a major government.
            Racist retarded tool

          2. Avatar RedSquareMaidan says:

            Russia is not a race. But you are descendants of Genghis Khan. Not much has changed in those 800 years, huh.

          3. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Japanese people ancestral land is Russia. Russians and Japanese are not descendants of Khan although Japanese are genetically related to Mongolians. Japanese and Mongolian language are part of Turkish language group. Besides Japan is better than Ukraine also.

          4. Avatar gmab says:

            So much hatred and name calling. You poor demented fascist. How long they keeping you locked up this time?

          5. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Whatever
            Seems i struck a nerve with the racist cretins.

          6. Avatar gmab says:

            Nah, I just feel sorry for the mentally deranged who have multiple personalities and are used by their equally deranged masters.

    2. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

      One would think that you have never been to Ukraine?
      And know far less of Ukrainians or their history?
      But somehow have no problem prejudging a people based on what?

      1. Avatar Mick Servian says:

        What do you know of where I’ve been? I haven’t prejudged anyone. Again your making stuff up. I’m only pointing out the racist bs on this site.
        I know most normal Ukrainians aren’t like this.

        1. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

          Are you Tomas or Mick, both are pointedly skewed!

          1. Avatar svend says:

            YES one and the same. Many little Russian teens in the factory have lots of names and cant alway remember who they are.

          2. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            He knows everything except who he is!

          3. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            no, I just support a winner (Russia) and you support a loser (Ukraine)

          4. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            What do you know?
            This isn’t a freaken game, it’s not about winning or loosing, grow up!

          5. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            I guess you are correct. It is a game to me. and I support Russia.

          6. Avatar veth says:

            Only losers support fascist Russia.

          7. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            But not willing to live there?

          8. Avatar veth says:

            rUSSIA IS A LOSER, DOWNED mh17 TO FEEL PROUD!

          9. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            more than likely a Ukrainian fighter jet downed MH-17. The reason I think Ukraine downed MH-17 is the US never released satellite images from day 1. The US just relied on Western propaganda. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3556177/Was-MH17-shot-Ukrainian-fighter-jet-BBC-documentary-claims-Boeing-777-targeted-plane.html

          10. Avatar veth says:

            Investigation is ready. Russia downed it. Russia returned the BUK-system to Russia.

          11. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            possible and also Ukrainian fighter jet downing MH-17 is possible. you were not there and there is only propaganda. MH-17 also has Russian colors. Dumb pilot might have thought the plane was Russian. notice bullet holes. https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1463374/mh17-wreckage.jpg

          12. Avatar veth says:

            Holes from the Russian BUK. Fascist Russia refused to sent radar-data for their murder.

          13. Avatar Geralt von RIva says:

            the fighter jet story is outdated. the dutch investigators found already debris of a BUK

          14. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            but correct

          15. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            I’m glad you concur with my statement!

        2. Avatar RedSquareMaidan says:

          Russia is not a race, it is a disease.

          1. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Another racist comment.
            Only disease is racist turds like you.

          2. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Don’t bother replying with your racist shite.
            I’m blocking all you racist turds.

          3. Avatar RedSquareMaidan says:

            Block us, please, and remain ignorant like the rest of you ruSSo-fascists.

          4. Avatar gmab says:

            Block yourself from this site would be better. Who needs fascist psychos like you distracting the flow of meaningful conversation.

          5. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Oh funny how when i block the usual suspects. Other racist cretin trolls like you come out of the woodwork. Don’t worry. There’s a button for your avatar too.

          6. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            but Ukraine is worse

      2. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

        Can you explain where his points are wrong (as you claim)? It will be interesting to see how Ukraine will manage when they are forced to pay 3 billion dollars to Russia and several billions of dollars as payments for loans. The only thing you’ve accomplished is being a slave state to EU and USA.

        1. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

          Can I explain someone else’s assumptions – can you?
          Or maybe you can, maybe you both work off the same script, I could not know.

          Why would you not assume that Ukraine has freed itself from Russian slavery or are you still shackled?

          1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Ukraine is a parasitic nation. Sponging off Russia and now sponging off the EU and USA. eventually the EU and USA will stop the handouts. Face it Ukraine will never be great. Look at Bulgaria. How they doing. same as before lousy.

          2. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            Face it, Ukraine will be what it makes of its self!

          3. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Ukraine is similar to the Kurds. Throughout history, the Kurds fought valiantly and lose.

          4. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            As did the Native Americans?
            Would that be your justification, wrong makes right?

          5. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            native americans are just a bunch of alcoholic spear chuckers.

          6. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            bigoted to boot…

          7. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            just facts, when White man came to America, natives were still in the Stone Age,

          8. Avatar MichaelA says:

            yes facts – the fact that you are a racist
            as so many russians are
            that is why russia is now the most despised nation on earth except for its friends like north korea
            it is due to the lack of education and culture by the russian leaders

          9. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            racist is normal human behavior, anybody that says they are not a racist is a liar.

          10. Avatar MichaelA says:

            no it isnt normal behaviour
            just as nazi atrocities are not normal behavior
            but those that commit them tell themselves that they are normal in order to excuse themselves
            such as putin and those who support his atrocities
            that is why russia is now the most despised nation on earth except for its friends like north korea
            it is due to the lack of education and culture of the russian leaders

          11. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            I think muslim countries are worse. FYI: most Americans including me cannot tell the difference from a Russian, Ukrainian, or Belorussian. I actually can’t tell the difference with a Pole either. Most Americans know Poland. Most Americans have no clue about Belarus or Ukraine. Belarus and Ukraine are never in the news, Both countries do not like people that look Japanese. Russia is a little better since Japanese people are originally Siberians. The ancestral land of the Japanese people is Siberia near Lake Baikal.

          12. Avatar MichaelA says:

            now you are just trying to deflect from your racism
            russians in particular cannot afford to be racist since a major part of them is mongol
            so stop worrying about race

          13. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Whoever wins. Russia still controls the Kurils after 70 years despite Japan contesting. Israel controls the Golan Heights since 1967.

          14. Avatar MichaelA says:

            exactly – whoever wins
            that is ukraine after the russian army lost its battle to keep ukraine enslaved
            the russian army has lots of shiny equipment but russian boys are too soft to fight
            as for russia it will break up into 5 or 6 parts before long
            then it wont control the kurils or anywhere else

          15. Avatar veth says:

            Sounds the Russian Army loves Ukraine……..

          16. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Ukraine only switched masters. Ukraine is now a vassal state of the USA.

          17. Avatar MichaelA says:

            oh please you know nothing about ukraine
            ukraine is free
            you russians cannot stand that because you know you are still slaves

          18. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            I happen to be a US Marine that lives in Cali.

          19. Avatar MichaelA says:

            you happen to be an obvious liar

        2. Avatar gmab says:

          I believe you’re quite outdated in your facts. It is Russia who will be paying billions to Ukraine. Ukraine’s economy is growing while Russia’s is spiralling down to the ground. 14 million starving in RuSSia & that’s probably a far less number than the reality.

          1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            laugh laugh which country is getting the handouts? Ukraine. Which country sends humanitarian aid to Donbas and Syria? Russia

          2. Avatar veth says:

            yES, FOOD FOR THE RUSSIAN ARMY, AND RETURN CARGO 200 HAHA

          3. Avatar veth says:

            50 DESTROYED HOSPITALS IN SYRIA BIJ RUSSIA WAS AID?

          4. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            The US backed rebels (al Qaeda and daesh) fight from the hospital. That is how they fight . no choice but to bomb them.

          5. Avatar gmab says:

            RuSSia sends Military Aid in White Trucks that noone is allowed to see including the Red Cross. They return to Muscovy with Cargo 200 (dead russian military), & parts of all factories & businesses in Donbass. Various organization throughout Europe, Red Cross, Ukraine (via Akhmetov’s organization) sent real humanitarian aid to Donbass-not 10 yr old canned food from Moscow. THey also supply the 1.6 million refugees that ran away from PUtler’s love for them.

          6. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            and how do you know what is in the white trucks? bogus post

          7. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            growing from a lower level still puts Ukraine lower than Russia.

          8. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            wrong

          9. Avatar MichaelA says:

            no it is correct
            you need to learn some facts about russia before writing rubbish
            in russia million are below the poverty line
            but more than half of russians are at or around the poverty line
            russians are starving while putins rich oligarch friends drink french champagne and live in obscene wealth

      3. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

        just look at history, Ukraine has always been a loser. Ukraine would do much better if Ukraine stayed part of Russia.

        1. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

          Too bad your comprehension of history is relevant only to your intellect!

          1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            thanks since I am mentally gift and a college grad.

          2. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            Mentally gifted could mean many things and a Degree can be easily purchased?
            Hell, one could become a Preacher for $250, no questions asked!

          3. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            over 130 IQ and 4 year degree from California university.

          4. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            and still…?

        2. Avatar veth says:

          UKRAINE BECOME NOW PART OF EU, NATO, THE FREE WORLD!

          1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            free world means under the USA empire. with Gay rights, superior rights to muslims, Blacks, women, and Hispanics. The reason I think the free world sucks.

      4. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

        hopefully Ukraine will be a country of Ukrainians. The Western part will be Poland. The Eastern part will be Novorossiya. The middle about the size of Belarus will be Ukraine. The current Ukraine is not sustainable

        1. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

          Such juvenile regurgitation, MickTomas.

          1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            but more likely since the current Ukraine is too big to sustain by any one country.

          2. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            It is still one country, under assault, as it is!

          3. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            in 3 parts

          4. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            harmony

          5. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Poland and Hungary are just waiting for Ukraine to collapse. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/17/poland-will-begin-dividing-ukraine/

          6. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            and what, invade their neighbor…?

      5. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

        Ukraine is poorest country in Europe. Even poorer than Moldova on some lists.

        1. Avatar MichaelA says:

          exactly – look at what all those years of kremlin rule did to ukraine
          but now that ukraine has abandoned russia it is becoming rich

    3. Avatar veth says:

      5000 Russian soldiers killed in Donbass, and 2900 Ukrainian soldiers…………….yes, you are better……….

      1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

        It is the USA winning. US instigates then Russian and Ukrainians kill each other. win win for USA.

        1. Avatar svend says:

          Oh. You mean that US payed Putler for the attack on Ukraine. That was news.

          1. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

            He obviosuly meant the coup in Kiev, where Usa financed the “opposition”

          2. Avatar gmab says:

            I heard Berezowsky – Russian Oligarch help fund the revolution. The US just brought cookies. Who’s funding your revolution back home?

          3. Avatar Eddy Verhaeghe says:

            I thought that Berezovsky died in 2013 long before the troubles in Ukraine started…

          4. Avatar gmab says:

            He openly stated he donated $3 Billion to the Orange Revolution (he lived in Ukraine for a few years). He moved to Britain when Yanu took power. He claimed to have a Fund that he & other notable oligarchs contributed to annually (to prep for the next revolution.) He died before Euromaidan but I’m sure his money was well spent in 2013/14.

          5. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            no us pays Ukraine to kill Russians

          6. Avatar veth says:

            Killing Russians is no crime.

          7. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            I disagree

        2. Avatar Murf says:

          So the Great Leader Putin got tricked into trashing his economy by a novice like Obama?
          Man I wouldn’t bring that up.

          1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            no,US annexed Ukraine, Putin countered by annexing Crimea. Russia does not bow to US aggression. Russia fights back.

          2. Avatar veth says:

            5000 Russian soldiers killed in Donbass, buroed in unmarked graves, haha

          3. Avatar Murf says:

            Annexed huh?
            Please show me the document of Annexation. You will have a hard time because the US has not annexed any territory since the the Alaska Purchase in the 19th century.
            “Putin countered by annexing Crimea.”
            Yes he did, and he has the 50% drop in GDP to prove it.
            Curtsy of Mr Obama.
            Now he is cutting defense spending another 10%. health care spending is laughable 5 billion for a population of 140 million. Which is on par with failed African state.
            Boy you really show us.

      2. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

        and the US smiles, US is winning.

    4. Avatar veth says:

      Trump in Warschau today: Russian Army must leave Ukraine!

      1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

        DJ and I support Poland, no muslims.

      2. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

        We’ll see what he says toomorrow when he meets the boss himself

        1. Avatar gmab says:

          “YOU’RE FIRED” is my guess.

      3. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

        Ukraine is the red-line. Russia will risk full war with nukes to keep USA troops out of Ukraine

        1. Avatar veth says:

          While Russian troops killing Ukrainians every day!

          1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            easier for Ukraine to declare neutrality.

          2. Avatar Eddy Verhaeghe says:

            Tomas, Ukraine was neutral before Russia started the whole bloody mess.

          3. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            you failed to mention that the USA overthrew a democratically elected pro-Moscow Ukrainian government and replaced it with a pro-USA Ukrainian government. Russia is not going to sit and watch USA aggression. Russia fights back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFhCgWIy5U

          4. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            most wars in the world are started by the USA like Syria and even war against Japan. When you are the big dog, you can start wars, win and created history.

    5. Avatar Murf says:

      Sorta like the way Russia had to beg the IMF for loans in the 90s?

      1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

        except Russia has $412 billion in cash reserves now. Ukraine has $18 billion, with 1/2 a loan from the IMF. Ukraine still owes Russia $3 billion for the loan. plus gas bills. Ukraine is not looking too good. http://www.cbr.ru/eng/

        1. Avatar Murf says:

          Yes, 20 years later and a 3 trillion dollars bonanza from a well timed oil boom.
          Thanks to the shale revolution that boom is unlikely to be repeated anytime soon.
          So that 412 billion is all Russia has to show for it.

          1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            fracking still does not create gas or oil. USA just can produce gas and oil faster. US only has about 15 years of gas and oil left unless new gas and oil found. US also running on credit. When USA crashes, Russia might be last country standing. http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

          2. Avatar Murf says:

            As of 2014 the US is estimated, conservatively, the fourth largest holder of proven reserves. Figured more opptomisticly the Us is number one.
            Sorry to disappoint you but the US will not be running out soon.
            Certinatly not no 15 years.

          3. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            show a source for gas not oil. USA has most oil shale, but we have not used any because the extraction cost too much. oil shale looks like rocks. You have to heat the rocks to get the oil out of oil shale. Similar problem in Canada. Canada has about 3rd most oil but the oil is tar sands oil. Canada needs $80 oil to make money. meanwhile Canada is now in a recession. Shale oil is not oil shale. The correct term for shale oil is tight oil. Tight oil is real oil in a shale formation. This is why fracking gets the oil out quickly. Politicians tend to merge the 2 (oil shale and shale oil) and claim the USA has the most shale oil in the world. another lie.

          4. Avatar Murf says:

            Good god!
            Use Google and five minuets of your life to find out and try to prove me wrong.
            But hers are just a couple of sites;
            https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2015/06/02/the-amazing-rise-in-u-s-proven-natural-gas-reserves-and-use/#393cdab42e16
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_gas_proven_reserves
            This one lists the US as fourth but that was in 2013. the number has gone up.

          5. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            that is the post I used. note 48.7 trillion is more than 9.8 trillion. do the math.

          6. Avatar Murf says:

            Your math is good your numbers are crap.
            “The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates that as of January 1, 2014, there were about 2,474 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of technically recoverable resources of dry natural gas in the United States. At the rate of U.S. dry natural gas consumption in 2014 of about 26.6 Tcf per year, the United States has enough natural gas to last about 93 years.”
            https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=58&t=8

          7. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            true US gas reserves is higher. over 10 trillion m3. That still runs out in 15 years. USA is consuming 780 billion m3 of gas a year. (in 2016)

          8. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            USA consumes 780 billion m3 of gas a year. That is 7.8 trillion m3 of gas in 10 years. Current USA gas reserves is about 10 trillion m3. do the math. USA does not have much gas left.

        2. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

          Savushkina snot.

        3. Avatar gmab says:

          Ukraine is smaller & was robbed of billions by Putler’s puppets & mafia. What do you think the toothless mercs Ruski pays to kill innocent women & children (mostly ethnic Ruski he says he protects) are doing in Donbass, the new FSB mafia hellhole. Ukraine will prosper – RuSSia is in desperation now since not one f..king country is your ally & you will be paying Ukraine billions in US$$$ for decades to come! We Laugh at You!

          1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Ukraine’s problems were caused by Ukrainian politicians. Take gas. Russia sold gas at a discount to Ukraine as a bribe to remain under the Moscow sphere of influence. What did Ukraine do with the cheap gas? Ukraine sold it even lower so folks would vote for them again. This caused the Ukrainian government money to subsidize gas, further increasing the national debt. Ukraine was rank 2nd in the world for wasting gas. Uzbekistan is the biggest waster.

          2. Avatar veth says:

            Nazzi, Ukraine paid more for Russian gas than for Europe gas, Thanks God, Ukraine stopped inferior overpriced Russian gas.

          3. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            another money loser was the hryvnia. To get reelected Ukrainian politicians kept the hryvnia artificially high to give Ukrainians a higher lifestyle. This cost the Ukrainian government more money to support the hryvnia and further increased the national debt.

        4. Avatar veth says:

          Gazprom has 40 billion debt to Ukraine after the Stockholm Court decision. Plus 50 billion for the destruction of Donbass and Crimea.

          1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Gazprom is a problem. I have heard $10 billion damages in Donbas. Russia is repairing Crimea after 50 years of Ukrainian neglect.

    6. Avatar Brent says:

      Hey “Tommy the Troll”, do you have any facts to back that statement up? Or is just the latest propaganda from your Kremlin handlers?

      I think I will rely on people who have a clue about what they are talking about and use facts, and not some troll working is some dank Russian basement like you….

      https://www.ft.com/content/9d2173a2-60d7-11e7-8814-0ac7eb84e5f1?mhq5j=e1

      http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/russias-economic-reform-remains-elusive-as-oil-stays-weak.html

      I haven’t heard of Ukrainians having to resort to having to eat “ratburgers” and “palm oil cheese” like you idiot Russians who idolize Putin!!!

      Nazdarovya A$$clown!!!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3353c8493a7362404b84852b1a7307b6184fbff65e702130dcefcc7cfe671606.jpg

      1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

        I have been to Ukraine and Russia. Russia is better.

        1. Avatar gmab says:

          True if you’re a neo-nazzi.

          1. Avatar MichaelA says:

            stalin and hitler were allies
            putin loves them both
            russia is a nazi state

          2. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

          3. Avatar gmab says:

            Obviously your English comprehension stinks. The only mention of a coup is from the crazed narrator. So, why is this any of RuSSia’s business?

          4. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            because Russia has always controlled Ukraine. Ukraine is the red-line of USA encroachment. If US gets Ukraine to join NATO it is over. full scale war with Russia. Ukraine is worthless and Russia would rather use it as a buffer zone that glows for a 1000 years than have US missiles in Ukraine aimed at Russia.

          5. Avatar gmab says:

            The Key words here are “USED TO’ control Ukraine. Wake up – it’s 2017 not 1945. The rest of your paraghraph is useless threats when discussing the sovereign nation of Ukraine. Just because Ruskies can’t get past the last century (LOL) doesn’t mean the world will stop evolving because your government can’t. Russia is not only isolated but being left behind, far behind and will likely disintegrate- the final stage of your doomed empire. You can thank PUtler for that. What will happen then is anyone’s guess but it won’t be pretty.

    7. Avatar slavko says:

      Not biased at all. You have to remember that up to 2013 Ukraine was kept in the “Russian sphere of influence”. Ukraine was not exposed much to European markets. Russia also had imposed sanctions on Ukrainian products late in 2013 which further eroded Ukrainian economy. Up until that time Ukraine was admittedly dependent on Russian markets almost exclusively yet was not happy as the Russian market is extremely limited due to the poverty level within Russia. So now slowly Ukraine is unfolding herself into the European arena along with European help. Also Putin did offer financial loan but that was conditional and swiftly became pocketed by the run-away pro-Russian president Yanukovitch who had prepared the Russian invasion by eroding the Ukrainian armed services. There are many countries that need help along the way and Ukraine is one of them. Ukraine is a nation of innovative people that repay their debts and are willing to work hard. So I certainly would not call the financial help from Europe as a handout. Refer back to 1990 and the amount of times that Europe restructured loans for Russia. The only thing that “saved” Russia back then was the market price of gas and oil.

      1. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

        How will Ukraine manage to pay back their loans to Russia and EU?

        1. Avatar slavko says:

          I don’t think that Ukraine owes anything to Russia. In fact Russia owes Ukraine. It is to the EU’s interest now to have Ukraine succeed. Ukraine WILL succeed. You see after all the years that Ukraine has been in Russian sphere of influence Ukraine became more and more broke. Ukraine was being sucked dry by pro-Russian politicians as well as by Russia itself. Ukraine will be fine. However Russia will probably not be fine given the course of events. You see in business and in life of what value is there to a supposed partner that cannot be trusted. The world is a witness that Russia cannot be trusted.

          1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            wrong, the $3 billion loan was drafted as a sovereign loan using British law. All the courts have ruled against Ukraine. Ukraine owes Russia for unpaid gas. face facts. Ukraine is a parasitic nation that tries to free load on other countries.

          2. Avatar veth says:

            The Stockholm Court decided. gazprom must pay Ukraine for overpriced gas. 40 billion dollars, if not, all the infrastructure of Gazprom will be confiscated.

          3. Avatar slavko says:

            Actually it’s the other way around… Russia is the parasite that feed off others. Russia sucked Ukraine dry for centuries. Like I said earlier Russia made a loan which was more so a bribe to its puppet Yanukovitch. He did all that he could to usurp Ukrainian sovereignty on Russia’s behalf. Then Yanukovitch took billions from the Ukrainian nation. Now Russia can extract the 3 billion bribe from Yanukovitch. It’s very simple really, if you open your eyes and clean Putin’s filth off your glasses.

          4. Avatar slavko says:

            There’s another issue at stake here too. And btw Ukraine’s gas bill to Russia has been paid. However, in respect to that $3 billion loan that you brought up there are also the damages that the Russia is responsible for to Ukraine. That too must be considered. Yes the 3 billion was a bribe to Yanukovich in order to insure Ukraine’s allegiance to Moscow, there’s also the damages by Russian interests to Ukrainian lives and property. It is a known that Moscow purposefully precipitated the annexation of Crimea as well as unrest in Donbas. Advanced Russian weaponry has been used in Donbas. There’s also the what the Kremlin described as “lost” Russian soldiers that found themselves captured on Ukrainian soil. This points to direct Russian involvement in the violence in Ukraine. There’s no getting around that fact. At this point of the game I feel that it is too early to talk about the settlement of monies until Crimea and Donbas is settled. In fact the earlier that Russia gets out of Ukraine then will expedite the financial settlement process. Until then Russia is the occupier that should not be compensated by the victim.

        2. Avatar Scradje says:

          How will pootlerstan pay the $100bn it owes in reparations for mass murder, eh naцi scum?

          1. Avatar Sania says:

            scummer the crudje,
            u are last lier and nazii in tremendous west trolls society…

      2. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

        A prosperous Ukraine is a dream. Looks like more Ukrainians are just leaving Ukraine for a better future.

        1. Avatar slavko says:

          Ukraine has a bright future ahead and the nation made a bold courageous step towards her own emancipation from the clutches of the Russian Empire. The only darkness you see is your own.

          1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            only a dream, Ukraine can’t compete on the world market against countries like S Korea. The normal Asian and Jew is never praised by their parents. What you get is a workforce that folk in Ukraine cannot compete.

          2. Avatar slavko says:

            Well Ukraine is already doing better economically than how she did while under Russian influence. So give it time. Things change. And everything that you said is just pure poppycock!

          3. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            look at history, Russia is mighty. Ukraine is a loser. more than likely the future too. best for Ukraine is eastern Ukraine join Russia and Western Ukraine join Poland. I was surprised how low Poles think of Ukrainians.

          4. Avatar slavko says:

            More poppycock from you. And what you think it is… it is not. What you think or what Russia, Poland or any other country thinks is irrelevant in the self development of Ukraine. Ukrainian history is NOT what anyone or you say. Ukrainian future is what Ukrainians say. You are a nobody to tell Ukrainians their future. Self determination of the Ukrainian nation is in effect. Now just keep this in mind… Moscow was a Ukrainian province from the start. 🙂 If it wasn’t for Kyiv Moscow would not have been. Ukrainian history is much older and more developed than Moscow’s and so is the Ukrainian will.

        2. Avatar Geralt von RIva says:

          the word “ukrainian apple” pickers i heard mostly from russian.
          ukraine was according to the former EU-concept planed as the brigde to russia. i would propose to take this hand.

          1. Avatar slavko says:

            Russia missed the boat Geralt. It bit the hand that would have fed it. Ukraine owes them nothing now. Too bad for Russia.

    8. You obviously haven’t travelled around Russia very much then. These are statistics from the RUSSIAN GOV:

      Total population: 143.5 million

      Of which:

      Have no central heating – 22 million
      Have no running water – 29 million
      Have no canalisation – 35 million
      Have no hot water – 47 million
      Have no access to natural gas – 65 million
      Have no access to Internet – 78 million
      Have no personal means of transportation – 90 million
      Never traveled outside of the former Soviet territories – 110 million

        1. Avatar MichaelA says:

          it doesnt sound like you have ever been to either

  2. Avatar Tony says:

    Time for Ukraine to accelerate this trend by removing visa free with russia, say bye bye to ~5 million ethnic Ukrainian workers.

    1. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

      With all due respect Ukraine’s population has shrunked from 66 million in 1991 to 42 million in 2016. Ukraine cannot afford to say goodbye anymore.

        1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

          I assume you know that Ukraine is the Nazi

          1. Avatar veth says:

            Russia is the Nazi

          2. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            You are incorrect. The epi-center of the NAZI movement is Western Ukraine. Western Ukrainian wants to kill every Russian on the planet. Right Sector and Svoboda are the 2 Nazi political parties in Ukraine. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Svoboda%20party&qs=n&form=QBIR&sp=-1&pq=svoboda%20party&sc=4-13&sk=&cvid=3CB2A5CD187A4650B87B187CC7BAF685

          3. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

            Dame boy, you want to piss-off all them WCP skin heads, USA USA USA?

          4. Avatar Dirk Smith says:

            Really? Only if you’re a brainwashed mongol with a short memory. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c208970db28226a1eef22fa0dd328a21dc615112f4551ad08d7c2f71ce9a6cf2.jpg LOL.

          5. Russians hide the fact Vlasov and his Russian army were the most numerous collaborators with Hitler. Instead Russians love to point their finger at the few Ukrainians that aided Hitler together with many other nationalities in WWII, like the Hungarians, Romanians , Balts and others.

      1. Avatar Tony says:

        Wow Rus trolls are dumb or just saying something to meet the quota. Like if you have three buckets of water and I have one and I take one from you then how many did I gain and how many did you loose?

      2. Avatar Eddy Verhaeghe says:

        Rafael, Ukraine never had 66 million inhabitants. A simple Google search would have taught you that :

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

        And if you add the inhabitants of the Crimea and the DPR/LPR your 42 million isn’t correct either…

        But by now everybody who reads your fake stuff, knows by now that true facts aren’t exactly your forte.

    2. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

      Ukraine keeps collapsing. 70,000 doctors left Ukraine. 50,000 more doctors expected to leave Ukraine in the next 2 years. About $123 a month. https://dninews.com/article/50-thousand-doctors-leave-ukraine-coming-two-years

      1. Avatar MichaelA says:

        oh please – donbass news?
        do lets be serious
        there are far more doctors leaving russia than are leaving ukraine
        western countries are full of russians getting out of russia
        all part of putins brain drain

        1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

          probably true that some Russian doctors leave Russia. I am sure some Ukrainian doctors go to Russia. Not many Russian doctors in my area. looks like 8 doctors for 3 million Americans. Unfortunately lots of Iranian doctors, dentists, auto repair, cab drivers. There is a Iranian mosque in the next town. We do have the only Russian Orthodox church in the country of 3 million. http://www.russianorangepages.com/community/category/russian-services/medical-doctors/

          1. Avatar MichaelA says:

            congratulations on your internet research re one of the most famous counties in usa
            if you lived in the west you would know that large numbers of educated russians are emigrating, including doctors
            ukraine has its problems due in no small part to moscows vicious attacks on it
            but it is forging ahead while the russian economy sinks

  3. Avatar Murf says:

    I don’t suppose it occurred to them that they could turn their elaborate propaganda machine on the Russian people to try and reduce the self destructive behavior that is killing millions of working age males?
    Naw.
    Why save lives when you can build weapons to kill people instead?

    1. Avatar RedSquareMaidan says:

      That is one aspect the writer missed on solving this future crisis for Russia. Except the ruSSo-fascist Putin is finding out his imperialistic adventures are costing his economy instead of helping it.

    2. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

      The Russians are living a healthy and properous life, especially in European Russia, exluding Chechnya and Dagestan. Interestingly your comment sounds exactly like those CNN projects all the time. Do you watch CNN or other similar news channels?

      1. Avatar Murf says:

        No.
        I read the WHO report.
        Cut out alcohol abuse, chain smoking and unprotected sex and Russia would have a population explosion.

        1. Avatar WisconsinUSA says:

          Protected sex does not create babies Murph

          1. Avatar Murf says:

            It can prevent the spread of HIV.
            AIDS is the 3rd largest killer of Russians.
            It also expensive as hel to treat but easy to prevent contracting.
            Just slap a helmet on that soldier before going into battle.

          2. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            aids is a problem in Ukraine too.

          3. Avatar Murf says:

            AIDS is a problem every where but is is not the third largest killer in Ukraine.

      2. Avatar kievjoy says:

        Would you like to tell that to the Russians who have come to Ukraine in the last few years because there’s no work and they have to queue for hours to get bread. This information is not from any news channel, it’s from Russians I know who have come over. Within a few weeks they also notice they’re not looking over their shoulder to see if anyone is listening to them.

        1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

          bla bla bla, I have been to Ukraine and Russia. Russia is better.

          1. Ukraine’s exports continue their strong growth, rising by 23.5% in January, compared to one year earlier. Reflecting Ukraine’s turn west, the EU now is Ukraine’s main trading partner, accounting for 46% of total exports of goods.

          2. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            dream on, EU does not want to help Ukraine at the cost of current members. trade is severely limited. Ukraine is now the poorest country in Europe. The best solution for Ukraine is join Russia instead. https://www.sott.net/article/370942-Ukraine-is-now-the-poorest-country-in-Europe-with-average-monthly-wage-of-just-220-per-month

          3. Avatar MichaelA says:

            you are joking arent you
            eu is by far ukraines biggest trading partner
            with more trade now than ukraine ever had with russia
            the best solution for ukraine is cut all remaining ties with russia

          4. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            ha ha, yes, EU sells to Ukraine more than Russia and is the biggest exporter (40%). BUT Ukraine only exports 0.9% of EU trade. Like I said EU looks out for its members first and limits exports of Ukrainian trade. Ukraine is getting screwed by the EU. http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/

          5. Avatar MichaelA says:

            nice attempt to twist figures by comparing apples to oranges
            the fact is that the eu is ukraines biggest trade partner both ways
            for import and for export
            of course that is only a small part of the total trade of the eu – after all the eu is the second biggest economy in the world
            it is far larger than russia or ukraine
            ukraine was screwed by russia for years on trade
            why would it want to do that again?

          6. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            but the EU 40% pie is smaller than when Ukraine traded with Russia. looks like about 1/3 less looking at a graph.

          7. Avatar MichaelA says:

            eu plus many other countries – ukraine trades with a lot more than just one country now
            spin the figures any way you like my friend
            the fact is that ukraines economy is growing whilst russias is shrinking
            that tells you what is happening
            this is a message to every country of the former ussr – their economies will improve once they cut ties with russia

          8. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            USA rules EU. remember there is no EU army. USA orders EU. EU obeys.

          9. Avatar MichaelA says:

            you need to try travelling outside russia and learning something about the world
            i think its the third world school system in russia
            the usa does not order eu
            nor does eu obey what usa says
            as for armies the eu armies are more than twice the size of russias army
            and a lot better equipped
            but russias fundamental problem is not equipment or size
            but that russian boys lack courage

          10. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            I like your thinking. Ukraine will crash and freeze sooner using your thinking. Ukraine cannot import enough coal by ship. only cheaper Russian coal can save Ukraine.

          11. Avatar MichaelA says:

            except that ukraine is growing using my thinking
            if ukraine was foolish enough to follow your advice it would crash and freeze
            the very fact you are so fixated on coal tells its own story – russians like you still live in the 1950s
            ukraine does not need to tie itself to the sinking corrupt russian economy

          12. Why on earth would Ukraine EVER want to be a vassal state to Moscow again??

          13. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            take a look at Ukraine. Ukraine would have been better off if it stayed with Russia in 1991. How is Ukraine doing since it came under USA rule in 2014? worse. best solution is to divide Ukraine into 5 parts. A united Ukraine is not sustainable and the West will eventually stop bailing out Ukraine.

          14. Avatar MichaelA says:

            you need to learn facts before you write stupid things
            ukraine is not under us rule
            nor is it under kremlin rule
            ukraine is finally free and it is doing much better than it did before
            you are right that the best solution is to divide russia into 5 parts
            a united russia is not sustainable and the west will eventually stop allowing russian oligarchs to stash their wealth in the west

          15. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            where is the money coming from to keep Ukraine from crashing? The USA is controlling Ukraine. US controls EU and IMF. http://www.uawire.org/news/the-us-congress-allocated-410-million-worth-of-financial-aid-to-ukraine-in-2018

          16. Avatar MichaelA says:

            the money comes primarily from ukraines economy
            since it is potentially a much stronger economy than russias with better technology more educated people and abundant natural resources
            the usa is not controlling ukraine
            nor does the usa control the eu or the imf
            but russia under putins incompetent leadership has managed to offend just about everybody
            by the way what was the point of your link? – $410 million is hardly significant

          17. Blah blah blah, Kremlin tarakan talking points.

          18. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            bla bla bla, yet Ukraine’s foreign debt going up. http://www.ukrainianjournal.com/index.php?w=article&id=26937

          19. Avatar MichaelA says:

            and russias even more
            ukraines economy is improving so it can afford to pay it back
            russia cant

          20. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            nobody is bailing out Russia. EU, USA, Japan, and China all giving handouts to Ukraine and Ukraine is still worse than Russia. Just think next year, Ukraine loses $2 billion a year revenue for gas transit. Ukraine continues to sink. best thing for Ukraine is kiss and join Russia again or collapse.

          21. Avatar MichaelA says:

            nobody is bailing out russia now
            in 1998 the eu had to bail it out when it defaulted on its debts and since then it cant get loans
            the ukrainian economy is improving each year whereas russia contines to sink each year
            best thing for russia is to apologise and kiss ukraine and withdraw all troops from crimea and donbass
            or collapse

          22. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            the Soviet Union did not have a cash reserve. Russia has a cash reserve of $458 billion right now. http://www.cbr.ru/eng/

          23. Avatar MichaelA says:

            russias reserve fund was exhausted at the beginning of this year: https://meduza.io/en/news/2018/01/10/russia-s-reserve-fund-is-kaput

            there is now only the pension fund which is also shrinking

            the cash reserve you refer to is only the actual amount of cash in russia – it is not a reserve at all

            russia is going bankrupt under putins incompetent rule

          24. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            You just want Russia to fail. facts are facts Russian cash reserves is now up to $458 billion. What does Ukraine have? about $18 billion of which most is borrowed money. http://www.cbr.ru/eng/

          25. Avatar MichaelA says:

            that is not a cash reserve but the amount of cash in circulation at any one time
            you need to learn how a balance sheet works
            russias reserve fund ran out at the beginning of this year
            now there is only the pension fund
            which is also shrinking
            what matters is the economy and where it is headed
            ukraines is improving whereas russias is sinking

          26. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            true, exports from Ukraine are up. This is a 3 year gift from the EU to the Ukraine. tariffs are reduced and limits increased for 3 years. EU does not want Ukraine to collapse. Ukraine is only surviving because of help from the West https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-eu/eu-agrees-to-allow-in-more-ukraine-exports-for-three-years-idUSKBN1A20WC

          27. Avatar MichaelA says:

            its hardly a 3 year gift as it is only increasing
            and it will continue to increase
            the eu is the second largest economy in the world
            and ukraine has a lots of potential now that it has cut its ties to russia

          28. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            check the 5 year graph. Ukraine is still way down from 2014. https://tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/exports

          29. Avatar MichaelA says:

            of course it has
            russia tried every means in its power to bring ukraine down
            russia attacked ukraine militarily economically tradewise and politically
            yet it failed
            and ukrainians learned the lesson – cut all ties with russia so it can never do it again

          30. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            so your big EU 46% is still way less than 2014 with Russia.

          31. If you’re interested in more than just being a tarakan troll against Ukraine, you can learn a lot by reading on all the progress actually being made since casting off the Kremlin yoke. http://www.theubj.com/

          32. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Hey. The USA sucks. Gays, women, muslims, blacks, and mexicans have superior rights to White and Asian men. I visited Ukraine many times. Ukraine treats people that look Japanese poorly. Russia is better than Ukraine. so I support Russia over Ukraine.

          33. Avatar MichaelA says:

            youve never been to ukraine nor to the usa
            but nice try

  4. Avatar Dirk Smith says:

    Back up to 60 rubbles this week. A few more sanctions and we can wrap this up. 1 USD =60.1013RUB
    US Dollar
    1 USD = 60.1013 RUB
    ↔Russian Ruble
    1 RUB = 0.0166386 USD https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9efa813d417228c20b9a0f2cba5c45eb1f771ae0166c9bf72b69dae0241ea47b.jpg Especially after Trump applies the wood to Count Chocula.

    1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

      true, but Russia let ruble sink to keep government solvent, unlike Ukraine that supported the hryvnia till IMF ordered Ukraine to stop artificially support the hryvnia.

  5. Avatar Mick Servian says:

    It’s quite nice to have a block option to block all the racist turds and their racist ranting.
    Now i can read my fiction in peace.

    1. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

      Bogov, ratturd.

      1. Avatar Mick Servian says:

        Oh yeah there’s a button for racist pedophile obsessed turds like you as well. Lol
        Enjoy your fascist wet dream

        1. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

          The fascist troll is you, ratboy.

  6. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

    The RuSSia is sinking. It will become a Stan.

    1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

      actually Ukraine probably will disappear first. Without handouts, Ukraine would already have defaulted.

      1. Avatar veth says:

        Russia is broken, fascist state.

        1. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

          all relative, but Ukraine is in worse condition and already in 3 parts. I expect 5 parts. Poland and Hungary want a slice of Ukraine

          1. Avatar veth says:

            The Russian Army will be kicked out of Ukraine.

          2. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            unlikely, although it looks like DJ is shifting towards the Ukrainians. I hope not.

          3. Avatar veth says:

            Ukraine, NATO launch discussions on membership action plan – President Kyiv and NATO have begun discussions on the introduction of the Membership Action Plan, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said at a joint press conference with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg in Kyiv July 10, following the meeting of the Ukraine-NATO Commission, an UNIAN correspondent reported.

            Read more on UNIAN: https://www.unian.info/politics/2020329-ukraine-nato-launch-consultations-on-membership-plan-poroshenko.html

          4. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Ukraine is clever buying USA coal. DJ wants to save coal miner jobs in USA.

          5. Avatar MichaelA says:

            coal is only a very minor part of the ukrainian economy
            ukraine has far more resources and technology than that
            that is why its economy is growing
            and russias economy is shrinking

          6. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            Ukraine will shrink to the size of Belarus

          7. Avatar veth says:

            Donbass and Crimea will be liberated, and your fascism defeated!

          8. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            before Russia loses Crimea, nukes will fly. better to let Russia keep Crimea.

          9. Avatar veth says:

            Crimea is Ukraine, by every law

          10. Avatar MichaelA says:

            no russia will not use nukes
            russia will get out of crimea
            if it does so now it will still have an economy left
            if it waits then its economy will be destroyed and russia will be partitioned
            its putins choice

          11. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            not likely, 1 Russian satan 2 missile can destroy the entire country of Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cHVNDE-XRM

          12. Avatar veth says:

            Russia is satan, thats correct……………

          13. Avatar MichaelA says:

            russia wont use nukes so why even bother to mention this?
            but good to see that you admit the russian army cannot beat ukraine
            russian boys dont have the courage to fight

          14. Haha, you sooooo obviously don’t know what’s going on here, dumb tarakan.

          15. Avatar Tomas Kinoshta says:

            you just can’t face the truth. Ukraine will never be great. The only hope is to join Russia. The EU and USA just want to rob the Ukrainian assets.

          16. Avatar MichaelA says:

            you just cant face the truth
            ukraine already is greater than russia
            and will become even more so
            the ties to russia were holding ukraine back but it has become greater as it started to cut them
            the eu and usa have made zero attempt to rob ukrainian assets yet the kremlin did it all the time and has continued to rob them from crimea and donbass

      2. Avatar Микола Данчук says:

        How is it that a self-assuming mentally gifted grad can’t review “gov.ru” for actual information pertinent to their viewpoint?

    2. Over here we already call it “Huilostan” )))

  7. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

    Achtung: Beware Kremtrolls.