Russia caught between economic decline and potentially explosive demographic change

The grave digger wearing a t-shirt of Russia's ruling party "United Russia." (Image: social media)

The grave digger wearing a t-shirt of Russia's ruling party "United Russia." (Image: social media) 

Analysis & Opinion, Russia

Russia’s economic development ministry says that the country’s GDP growth will be approximately half of one percent lower each year because of projected declines in the number of workers in Russia in the coming decades, a decline that the ministry says must be fought by increasing immigration.

But any immigration sufficient to cover that decline in the size of the working-age cohort will not only increasingly consist of people who are culturally, linguistically and religiously dissimilar to the current residents of Russia and accelerate the shifting balance between Orthodox and Muslims in its population.

Russia could avoid this problem by dramatically increasing labor productivity, something the government and most experts do not think is possible, or by driving down mortality rates among working age Russian males, a step that would be very expensive, or attracting back into the workforce pensioners, a step with unpredictable political consequences.

As a result, the Russian government, far sooner than many have predicted, will face a Hobson’s choice between slower economic growth or even accelerated economic decline and a changing ethnic and cultural balance that will certainly exacerbate tensions within society by dramatically increasing the share of Muslims in the population of Russia.

Irina Grigoryeva of Izvestia reports today that the economic development ministry says that in the coming years, Russia will lose one million working age Russians annually and that if steps to compensate for this aren’t taken, that alone will cut GDP growth by 0.4 to 0.5 percent.

The ministry believes that Russia can make up for this demographic decline by boosting labor productivity, but Russian experts and politicians say that this is likely impossible. They are also skeptical about reducing mortality rates or attracting pensioners back to the workforce.

If they are right – and they have recent history on their side – Russia will have to attract a dramatic increase in the number of immigrants. Most of these will come from Central Asia or the South Caucasus, and they will be increasingly different from the Russians with whom they will be working.

Many will no longer speak Russian fluently if at all. Many will not identify with the Soviet collective of the past but rather with their own countries. And many will be offended by the increasing xenophobia among Russians, attitudes that are making these people more nationalistic and even anti-Russian than would otherwise be the case.

But the big change will be in the demographic make-up of the Russian Federation’s population. Three factors are driving this:

  • First, non-Russians and especially Muslim nations within Russia have higher birthrates than do ethnic Russians.
  • Second, ethnic Russian males suffer disproportionately higher death rates among working age groups.
  • And third, immigration in the future will add almost exclusively to the Muslim side of the balance.

It is already the case that the share of Muslims in Russia is far higher than the Kremlin admits especially if one includes the 12 to 15 million gastarbeiters who are disproportionately from Central Asia and Azerbaijan and Muslim rather than Orthodox.

That pattern was less extreme in the 1990s because many ethnic Russians did return from the non-Russian countries, but now, despite Putin’s call for repatriation of compatriots, the number of Russian or at least Orthodox immigrants is extremely small in comparison to the number of Muslims.

And that means, if the Russian government is to avoid presiding over economic growth far lower or even negative than it wants, Moscow will have to take in more immigrant workers and these workers will leave it with a population very much less Russian and Orthodox Christian than the Kremlin will like and stability would appear to require.

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  • Tomas Kinoshta

    misleading and biased post. Russia is doing a lot better than Ukraine. Without handouts, Ukraine collapses.

    • Steve

      Yeah Right and I guess you believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Mother Goose, Alice in Wonderland, and perhaps even in the Hobbit. Oh yes and least we not forget the Little Green men that invaded Crimea and the Donbas.

      • Mick Servian

        This is one of the saddest sites I’ve ever come across. Constantly rambling about fairytales in between sowing ethnic discord.
        Ukraine has been independent for ages. And? Still a basket case.
        This is what cia fuelled wild illogical fascist nationalism looks like. Instead of working, these faux intellectuals look to decommunize, derussianize, de whatever. Sounds like crazyness.
        They think this money will go on for all time.
        No let’s just sit back and foreign investments can fuel us. We just have to make the place nice.
        Get rid of the Russians.
        They are to blame for everything. Not us.
        It’s the Russians
        Pathetic

        • Steve

          Thank you for your regurgitation of Russian Troll Talking Points. And yes it was and still is the Russian’s who INVADED and ILLEGALLY ANNEXED Crimea and who started the war in the Donbas, who do not make the slightest attempt to honor Minsk II and support the puppet regimes called the DNR/LNR with weapons, tanks, and lots of other equipment know to only be in the Russian Army and never in Ukraine. And thanks to you for helping to support the killing of innocent men, women and children on MH-17. Hope you continue to enjoy the sanctions put not only by the West on you but by your hero Putin.

          • Mick Servian

            West sanctioning me? Hahaha
            I don’t support the slaughter of innocents. Don’t put words in my mouth.
            Maybe Ukraine should have let the republics go. There’s a novel idea.
            Instead of seeing cash at the prospect of leasing out its military base.
            You can deny ethnic Ukrainians live in that area but that’s just bs that doesn’t pass logical scrutiny.
            The US are going to love traitors like you. Cause they really respect them. Judging by sakashvili’s appointment.
            You’re constantly forced to run circles around your lies. And cry Russian propaganda like a misunderstood child every time someone questions you.
            Independent my ass. Beggars for handouts. Nothing more.
            That’s why you can’t criticize your paymasters.
            Count your self lucky though. Most American citizens aren’t in a position to receive welfare handout. But they have reserves for you welfare bludgers.

          • Микола Данчук

            So, you support the slaughter of dignity?
            Logically speaking, there is no room in your mouth for words, is there?

          • Mick Servian

            Support the slaughter of dignity?
            What? What nonsensical hyperbole?
            Do you actually talk like that retard?
            Logically speaking? But you don’t.
            I can see you there wringing your hands like a child that’s uncovered god knows what.
            You’re a five year old eh?
            Sad mate, sad.

          • Микола Данчук

            Nothing of intellect to offer?
            Yes, sad to be sure!

          • Mick Servian

            “It’s not me….its you…”lol
            Go educate yourself
            Then you won’t be so sad

          • Микола Данчук

            Yes, of course, sucks when you can’t relate beyond a five year old?
            So so sad indeed!

          • Mick Servian

            I know eh?
            “You can’t relate beyond a five year old…nanannana….”lol
            Pathetic

          • Микола Данчук

            Yes you are!

          • Mick Servian

            Sorry we can’t all be of the fascist master race that you are from.
            Racist turd

          • Микола Данчук

            How can you be sorry when you’re a sorry excuse for whatever you are?

          • Mick Servian

            Why you’re trolling me then?
            Lol

          • Микола Данчук

            I don’t like liars, ignorant ones at that!

          • Mick Servian

            Whatever mr vietnam vet. Blocked

          • Dirk Smith
          • Mick Servian

            Is that you and your friends?
            Anyway you know we don’t condone “whataboutism” here.

          • zorbatheturk

            I hope those 3 don’t win the green card lottery.

          • gmab

            Don’t worry- they’d probably sell it for a few bottles of real vodka & think they got the better deal.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            mongol as an insult is not used in the USA. besides Japanese are similar in genetics and language. They are doing a lot better than Russia or Ukraine. An armed Japan is equal or superior to Russia. The problem is Japan can’t take many nukes since the main population is in 1 area. The last time Japan fought Russia, Japan won.

          • Brent

            You’re no one’s “mate”. You’re just another stooge A$$clown.

          • Mick Servian

            So why are you trolling me.
            Figure of speech gronk.
            Of course i wouldn’t be mates with racist morons like you mate. Lol

          • Brent

            Actually “Dick Servant”, you DO SUPPORT the slaughter of innocents with your support of the Kremlin Mafia and their terrorist funding operations in Afghanistan where they supply weapons to the Taliban…..Syria, where they bomb hospitals and give weapons to Hezzbollah….and Ukraine where the support the miniscule amount of pro-Russians (even Strelkov admitted he couldn’t find 1000 Ukrainians to fight for Russia’s invasion).

            You’re so stoopid, you don’t even realize no one else even recognizes the Russian invaded portions of Donbass as “Republics”….you’re the idiot regurgitating propaganda. Go slither back to what orifice you were birthed from….

          • Mick Servian

            Whatever
            Fascist propaganda tool.
            All you can do is name call and kill your own people.
            While your country is broken up.
            Who cares about the real problems eh?
            As long as welfare keeps coming you’re sweet.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Russia does not want Donbas. The main problem is keeping Ukraine out of NATO. Ukraine is not eligible to join NATO if it is in a conflict. Hence low grade war in Donbas. All Ukraine has to do is declare neutrality and many peaceful opportunities are then available.

          • veth

            Ukraine will never surrender anymore to fascist Russia.

          • Murf

            All Russia has to do is withdraw from the illegally occupied territories and the sanctions go away and many peaceful opportunities are then available.

          • Mick Servian

            I agree. If donbass doesn’t want to be part of Ukraine. Why should it.
            Ukraine declaring neutrality and stopping bombing of it. Would be fine.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Tomas, Ukraine was a neutral country and nobody there wanted to join NATO before the RF took the Crimea and started that low ‘grade war in the Donbas’. Go tell your fairytales to people that can’t reason.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Crimea was the only republic in Ukraine. Mostly Russians the republic voted to leave Ukraine. Russia let Ukraine leave without a drop of blood. Why can’t Donbas and Crimea go back to Russia after they vote to leave Ukraine.

          • Steve

            Bull manure. A Vote under an AK-47, A74, AK-90 is a vote under a gun and is not a valid vote. The referendum (vote as you call it) has not been recognized by any civilized country. And no Russia did not let Ukraine leave without a drop of blood. What part of 10,000+ killed do you not understand??

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Your entire paragraph is subject to heavy discussion and correcting…

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            you seem to think Ukraine is better than Russia for Crimeans. The first day of the new Ukrainian government, the Rada passed a law that speaking Russian in Ukraine would be a crime. How do you think most of the Russian speaking Russian in Crimea felt? Ukraine neglected Crimea since most are ethnic Russians.

          • Steve

            U speak of Russian talking points. The foundation less argument you now present is over three years old. So please no longer use Russian Speaking as an argument to seize land. Because I will ask you when are you coming for Alaska?

          • veth

            Speaking in Ukrainin in Donbass and Crimea is forbidden by the Russian Army.

          • gmab

            BS- what are your sources? RT, Sputnik, Rossiya 1.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            what are you talking about?

          • Brent

            Hey “Tommy The Troll”, can you explain why out of all of those “mostly Russians” in Crimea, that you think wanted independence that in 2010’s LEGITIMATE Crimean Parliamentary elections, that only 4% of them voted for Sergei Aksyonov’s separatist Russian Unity Party?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_parliamentary_election,_2010

            Let me guess, you’re dumb enough to believe 123% of Sevastopol residents actually voted in the farcical 2014 Russian run referendum?

            http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/03/17/over-123-of-sevastopol-residents-vote-to-join-russia/

            Those are ACTUAL FACTS, and not the bullsh*t Russian propaganda you’re spinning….but thanks for proving how much of a mindless sheeple you really are….

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            you facts are more likely bogus, Crimeans are mostly Russian and would rather be under Russian rule.

          • veth

            tHEN ASK FOR ASYL IN NAZZI-rUSSIA.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            I think you incorrectly use the tern Nazi as an insult. It is Western Ukraine that is the worldwide epi-center of the Nazi movement. Poland is currently the most Nazi like country.

          • veth

            6 Fascist parties in Duma. Russia supports every fascist party worldwide.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Western Ukraine can’t be ‘the worldwide epi-center of the Nazi movement’ at the same time as ‘Poland is currently the most Nazi like country.’

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            why not. Western Ukraine is not a country. Western Ukraine is part of Ukraine. Poland is a nation and the most Nazi country in the world. If Petro loses power, the Ukrainian Nazi might take over. Ukraine might then become the most Nazi country in the world.

          • gmab

            Mostly Russians that were shipped in to replace the Tatars who were deported to Gulags. They do not have “roots” there at all- same as in Donbass. You really know very little about a country that you once wished to live in.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            I just know Ukraine is too poor and undesirable for a person that looks Japanese. Russia is better.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            I don’t think that Russia is very welcoming to people that look Japanese…

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Russia is better. FYI: the ancestral homeland of the Japanese people is Russia. I feel more comfortable in Russia than Ukraine.

          • Murf

            “you facts are more likely bogus”
            Prove him wrong.

          • gmab

            When there’s a real legitimate vote- then why not. Go back to troll school- you don’t know enough about Ukraine to comment.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            all relative, besides not interested in a loser country, although I though of living there till I got there. unfit for Americans.

          • gmab

            Try Russia, they might take you. I’m sure Ukraine kicked you out.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            like I said before Russia is better except the weather.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            not interested in Ukraine. still want to visit Odesa though.

          • gmab

            Thanks for the warning!

          • veth

            tHERE WAS NO VOTE, NAZZI. DONBASS AND CRIMEA ARE UKRAINE. RUSSIA INVADED.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            How can ot be illegaly annexed, if it was the will of the people? Does not Ukraine respect the very fundamental right?

          • RedSquareMaidan

            The “vote” was illegal, occupied and not recognized by anyone civilized. In fact the UN vote Russia only had the support of 10 out of 193 countries. You lose.

          • gmab

            We’ve been telling this Venezualian RTroll the same thing repeatedly since UAToday. He’s just looking for cash per comment since he’s still unemployable in the U.S.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            the US ruled UN does not want it. but Kosovo is OK since the US said yes.

          • Murf

            Then why was there two Chechen wars?

        • Микола Данчук

          What is ‘Pathetic’?
          You being here or the ignorance you profess?

        • Murf

          And what happened when the Ukrainians(Russian and Ukrainians) tryed to remove the Basket Case Manager and his cronies?
          Russia invaded in a pathetic bid to preserve the status quo.
          So let’s be clear; Russians don’t mind if Ukraine stays a basket case just so long as they are RUSSIA’S basket case

          • Mick Servian

            Your own people are leaving.
            Get real

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            have you noticed Ukraine is worse under USA rule. USA does care about Ukraine. USA just wants missiles in Ukraine aimed at Russia.

          • RedSquareMaidan

            Only you spoon fed RTrolls, believe that. Putin’s inherent fascism is destroying Russia. Who would stay on a sinking ship? Just you RTrolls.

          • Brent

            Have you noticed how much your beloved Russian is deteriorating under Putin’s Mafia?

            Worry about your own backyard “Tommy The Troll”.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            true, but do to USA ordering sanctions

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            How does this square with the Kremin saying that sanctions don’t really have that much of an influence on Russia’s economy?

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Sanctions will do nothing. Russia has Crimea now and forever.

          • Murf

            Interestingly Ukraine out ranks Russia in the Social Progress Index 64th to Russia’s 67th.
            Also Ukraine is no longer the most corrupt country in Europe. According to Transparency International Ukraine and Russia are tied for that dubious honor. The difference is Ukraine has improved 4 pts while Russia has been stagnate for years.
            Speaking of stagnation; Ukraine’s economy grew more in the first quarter of 17 than Russia’s in the last 3 years combined.
            Lastly the US has cruise missiles with a range 1800 kms and heavy bombers to deliver them with.
            We don’t need Ukraine for that.
            NOW Russia has UKRAINIAN missiles pointed them.
            Smart move.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            you are counting handouts in economic growth. Any missile that strikes Russian land allows Russia to respond with nukes. not a good idea to strike Russia.

          • veth

            Trial for downing MH17 goes on, despite Russian objections to it.

          • Murf

            They didn’t in 2014 when the Ukrainians artillery landed in their territory.
            All they did was puff up their chests and threaten to invade.
            That worked in 2014.
            That was then, this is now.

          • gmab

            what an idiott. USA wants missiles in Ukraine aimed at Russia? You’ve got to be kidding. hahahahaha

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            you are the idiot. US missiles are now operational in Romania. Poland just bought missiles. US calls them defensive missiles. won’t take much to bring in offensive missiles when there is an operational missile base. http://thehill.com/policy/defense/340837-poland-plans-to-buy-patriot-missiles-from-us-report

          • veth

            In November American weapons are for Ukraine!

          • veth

            Ukraine has started application procedure for NATO-membership!

          • gmab

            Any clue, brainchild, why these countries are suddenly buying weapons & accepting NATO’s support?

          • Mick Servian

            Whatever.

        • Brent

          so why are you wasting your “valuable time” here “Dick Servant”? Or you don’t want to rescind your assignment from your Kremlin Masters to make a lying A$$ of yourself?

          Go to Fort Russ or Sputnik where your idiocy will be appreciated….but unlikely funded by the Kremlin…..

          • Mick Servian

            Yeah that’s the thing.
            Unlike you i don’t receive welfare support from a major government.
            Racist retarded tool

          • RedSquareMaidan

            Russia is not a race. But you are descendants of Genghis Khan. Not much has changed in those 800 years, huh.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Japanese people ancestral land is Russia. Russians and Japanese are not descendants of Khan although Japanese are genetically related to Mongolians. Japanese and Mongolian language are part of Turkish language group. Besides Japan is better than Ukraine also.

          • gmab

            So much hatred and name calling. You poor demented fascist. How long they keeping you locked up this time?

          • Mick Servian

            Whatever
            Seems i struck a nerve with the racist cretins.

          • gmab

            Nah, I just feel sorry for the mentally deranged who have multiple personalities and are used by their equally deranged masters.

    • Микола Данчук

      One would think that you have never been to Ukraine?
      And know far less of Ukrainians or their history?
      But somehow have no problem prejudging a people based on what?

      • Mick Servian

        What do you know of where I’ve been? I haven’t prejudged anyone. Again your making stuff up. I’m only pointing out the racist bs on this site.
        I know most normal Ukrainians aren’t like this.

        • Микола Данчук

          Are you Tomas or Mick, both are pointedly skewed!

          • svend

            YES one and the same. Many little Russian teens in the factory have lots of names and cant alway remember who they are.

          • Микола Данчук

            He knows everything except who he is!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            no, I just support a winner (Russia) and you support a loser (Ukraine)

          • Микола Данчук

            What do you know?
            This isn’t a freaken game, it’s not about winning or loosing, grow up!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            I guess you are correct. It is a game to me. and I support Russia.

          • veth

            Only losers support fascist Russia.

          • Микола Данчук

            But not willing to live there?

          • veth

            rUSSIA IS A LOSER, DOWNED mh17 TO FEEL PROUD!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            more than likely a Ukrainian fighter jet downed MH-17. The reason I think Ukraine downed MH-17 is the US never released satellite images from day 1. The US just relied on Western propaganda. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3556177/Was-MH17-shot-Ukrainian-fighter-jet-BBC-documentary-claims-Boeing-777-targeted-plane.html

          • veth

            Investigation is ready. Russia downed it. Russia returned the BUK-system to Russia.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            possible and also Ukrainian fighter jet downing MH-17 is possible. you were not there and there is only propaganda. MH-17 also has Russian colors. Dumb pilot might have thought the plane was Russian. notice bullet holes. https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1463374/mh17-wreckage.jpg

          • veth

            Holes from the Russian BUK. Fascist Russia refused to sent radar-data for their murder.

          • Geralt von RIva

            the fighter jet story is outdated. the dutch investigators found already debris of a BUK

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            but correct

          • Микола Данчук

            I’m glad you concur with my statement!

        • RedSquareMaidan

          Russia is not a race, it is a disease.

          • Mick Servian

            Another racist comment.
            Only disease is racist turds like you.

          • Mick Servian

            Don’t bother replying with your racist shite.
            I’m blocking all you racist turds.

          • RedSquareMaidan

            Block us, please, and remain ignorant like the rest of you ruSSo-fascists.

          • gmab

            Block yourself from this site would be better. Who needs fascist psychos like you distracting the flow of meaningful conversation.

          • Mick Servian

            Oh funny how when i block the usual suspects. Other racist cretin trolls like you come out of the woodwork. Don’t worry. There’s a button for your avatar too.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            but Ukraine is worse

      • Rafael Hernandez

        Can you explain where his points are wrong (as you claim)? It will be interesting to see how Ukraine will manage when they are forced to pay 3 billion dollars to Russia and several billions of dollars as payments for loans. The only thing you’ve accomplished is being a slave state to EU and USA.

        • Микола Данчук

          Can I explain someone else’s assumptions – can you?
          Or maybe you can, maybe you both work off the same script, I could not know.

          Why would you not assume that Ukraine has freed itself from Russian slavery or are you still shackled?

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Ukraine is a parasitic nation. Sponging off Russia and now sponging off the EU and USA. eventually the EU and USA will stop the handouts. Face it Ukraine will never be great. Look at Bulgaria. How they doing. same as before lousy.

          • Микола Данчук

            Face it, Ukraine will be what it makes of its self!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Ukraine is similar to the Kurds. Throughout history, the Kurds fought valiantly and lose.

          • Микола Данчук

            As did the Native Americans?
            Would that be your justification, wrong makes right?

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            native americans are just a bunch of alcoholic spear chuckers.

          • Микола Данчук

            bigoted to boot…

          • veth

            Sounds the Russian Army loves Ukraine……..

        • gmab

          I believe you’re quite outdated in your facts. It is Russia who will be paying billions to Ukraine. Ukraine’s economy is growing while Russia’s is spiralling down to the ground. 14 million starving in RuSSia & that’s probably a far less number than the reality.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            laugh laugh which country is getting the handouts? Ukraine. Which country sends humanitarian aid to Donbas and Syria? Russia

          • veth

            yES, FOOD FOR THE RUSSIAN ARMY, AND RETURN CARGO 200 HAHA

          • veth

            50 DESTROYED HOSPITALS IN SYRIA BIJ RUSSIA WAS AID?

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            The US backed rebels (al Qaeda and daesh) fight from the hospital. That is how they fight . no choice but to bomb them.

          • gmab

            RuSSia sends Military Aid in White Trucks that noone is allowed to see including the Red Cross. They return to Muscovy with Cargo 200 (dead russian military), & parts of all factories & businesses in Donbass. Various organization throughout Europe, Red Cross, Ukraine (via Akhmetov’s organization) sent real humanitarian aid to Donbass-not 10 yr old canned food from Moscow. THey also supply the 1.6 million refugees that ran away from PUtler’s love for them.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            and how do you know what is in the white trucks? bogus post

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            growing from a lower level still puts Ukraine lower than Russia.

      • Tomas Kinoshta

        just look at history, Ukraine has always been a loser. Ukraine would do much better if Ukraine stayed part of Russia.

        • Микола Данчук

          Too bad your comprehension of history is relevant only to your intellect!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            thanks since I am mentally gift and a college grad.

          • Микола Данчук

            Mentally gifted could mean many things and a Degree can be easily purchased?
            Hell, one could become a Preacher for $250, no questions asked!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            over 130 IQ and 4 year degree from California university.

          • Микола Данчук

            and still…?

        • veth

          UKRAINE BECOME NOW PART OF EU, NATO, THE FREE WORLD!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            free world means under the USA empire. with Gay rights, superior rights to muslims, Blacks, women, and Hispanics. The reason I think the free world sucks.

      • Tomas Kinoshta

        hopefully Ukraine will be a country of Ukrainians. The Western part will be Poland. The Eastern part will be Novorossiya. The middle about the size of Belarus will be Ukraine. The current Ukraine is not sustainable

        • Микола Данчук

          Such juvenile regurgitation, MickTomas.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            but more likely since the current Ukraine is too big to sustain by any one country.

          • Микола Данчук

            It is still one country, under assault, as it is!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            in 3 parts

          • Микола Данчук

            harmony

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Poland and Hungary are just waiting for Ukraine to collapse. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/17/poland-will-begin-dividing-ukraine/

          • Микола Данчук

            and what, invade their neighbor…?

    • veth

      5000 Russian soldiers killed in Donbass, and 2900 Ukrainian soldiers…………….yes, you are better……….

      • Tomas Kinoshta

        It is the USA winning. US instigates then Russian and Ukrainians kill each other. win win for USA.

        • svend

          Oh. You mean that US payed Putler for the attack on Ukraine. That was news.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            He obviosuly meant the coup in Kiev, where Usa financed the “opposition”

          • gmab

            I heard Berezowsky – Russian Oligarch help fund the revolution. The US just brought cookies. Who’s funding your revolution back home?

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            I thought that Berezovsky died in 2013 long before the troubles in Ukraine started…

          • gmab

            He openly stated he donated $3 Billion to the Orange Revolution (he lived in Ukraine for a few years). He moved to Britain when Yanu took power. He claimed to have a Fund that he & other notable oligarchs contributed to annually (to prep for the next revolution.) He died before Euromaidan but I’m sure his money was well spent in 2013/14.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            no us pays Ukraine to kill Russians

          • veth

            Killing Russians is no crime.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            I disagree

        • Murf

          So the Great Leader Putin got tricked into trashing his economy by a novice like Obama?
          Man I wouldn’t bring that up.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            no,US annexed Ukraine, Putin countered by annexing Crimea. Russia does not bow to US aggression. Russia fights back.

          • veth

            5000 Russian soldiers killed in Donbass, buroed in unmarked graves, haha

          • Murf

            Annexed huh?
            Please show me the document of Annexation. You will have a hard time because the US has not annexed any territory since the the Alaska Purchase in the 19th century.
            “Putin countered by annexing Crimea.”
            Yes he did, and he has the 50% drop in GDP to prove it.
            Curtsy of Mr Obama.
            Now he is cutting defense spending another 10%. health care spending is laughable 5 billion for a population of 140 million. Which is on par with failed African state.
            Boy you really show us.

      • Dirk Smith
      • Tomas Kinoshta

        and the US smiles, US is winning.

    • veth

      Trump in Warschau today: Russian Army must leave Ukraine!

      • Tomas Kinoshta

        DJ and I support Poland, no muslims.

      • Rafael Hernandez

        We’ll see what he says toomorrow when he meets the boss himself

        • gmab

          “YOU’RE FIRED” is my guess.

      • Tomas Kinoshta

        Ukraine is the red-line. Russia will risk full war with nukes to keep USA troops out of Ukraine

        • veth

          While Russian troops killing Ukrainians every day!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            easier for Ukraine to declare neutrality.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Tomas, Ukraine was neutral before Russia started the whole bloody mess.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            you failed to mention that the USA overthrew a democratically elected pro-Moscow Ukrainian government and replaced it with a pro-USA Ukrainian government. Russia is not going to sit and watch USA aggression. Russia fights back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFhCgWIy5U

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            most wars in the world are started by the USA like Syria and even war against Japan. When you are the big dog, you can start wars, win and created history.

    • Murf

      Sorta like the way Russia had to beg the IMF for loans in the 90s?

      • Tomas Kinoshta

        except Russia has $412 billion in cash reserves now. Ukraine has $18 billion, with 1/2 a loan from the IMF. Ukraine still owes Russia $3 billion for the loan. plus gas bills. Ukraine is not looking too good. http://www.cbr.ru/eng/

        • Dirk Smith
        • Murf

          Yes, 20 years later and a 3 trillion dollars bonanza from a well timed oil boom.
          Thanks to the shale revolution that boom is unlikely to be repeated anytime soon.
          So that 412 billion is all Russia has to show for it.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            fracking still does not create gas or oil. USA just can produce gas and oil faster. US only has about 15 years of gas and oil left unless new gas and oil found. US also running on credit. When USA crashes, Russia might be last country standing. http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

          • Murf

            As of 2014 the US is estimated, conservatively, the fourth largest holder of proven reserves. Figured more opptomisticly the Us is number one.
            Sorry to disappoint you but the US will not be running out soon.
            Certinatly not no 15 years.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            show a source for gas not oil. USA has most oil shale, but we have not used any because the extraction cost too much. oil shale looks like rocks. You have to heat the rocks to get the oil out of oil shale. Similar problem in Canada. Canada has about 3rd most oil but the oil is tar sands oil. Canada needs $80 oil to make money. meanwhile Canada is now in a recession. Shale oil is not oil shale. The correct term for shale oil is tight oil. Tight oil is real oil in a shale formation. This is why fracking gets the oil out quickly. Politicians tend to merge the 2 (oil shale and shale oil) and claim the USA has the most shale oil in the world. another lie.

          • Tomas Kinoshta
          • Murf

            Good god!
            Use Google and five minuets of your life to find out and try to prove me wrong.
            But hers are just a couple of sites;
            https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2015/06/02/the-amazing-rise-in-u-s-proven-natural-gas-reserves-and-use/#393cdab42e16
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_gas_proven_reserves
            This one lists the US as fourth but that was in 2013. the number has gone up.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            that is the post I used. note 48.7 trillion is more than 9.8 trillion. do the math.

          • Murf

            Your math is good your numbers are crap.
            “The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates that as of January 1, 2014, there were about 2,474 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of technically recoverable resources of dry natural gas in the United States. At the rate of U.S. dry natural gas consumption in 2014 of about 26.6 Tcf per year, the United States has enough natural gas to last about 93 years.”
            https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=58&t=8

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            true US gas reserves is higher. over 10 trillion m3. That still runs out in 15 years. USA is consuming 780 billion m3 of gas a year. (in 2016)

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            USA consumes 780 billion m3 of gas a year. That is 7.8 trillion m3 of gas in 10 years. Current USA gas reserves is about 10 trillion m3. do the math. USA does not have much gas left.

        • zorbatheturk

          Savushkina snot.

        • gmab

          Ukraine is smaller & was robbed of billions by Putler’s puppets & mafia. What do you think the toothless mercs Ruski pays to kill innocent women & children (mostly ethnic Ruski he says he protects) are doing in Donbass, the new FSB mafia hellhole. Ukraine will prosper – RuSSia is in desperation now since not one f..king country is your ally & you will be paying Ukraine billions in US$$$ for decades to come! We Laugh at You!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Ukraine’s problems were caused by Ukrainian politicians. Take gas. Russia sold gas at a discount to Ukraine as a bribe to remain under the Moscow sphere of influence. What did Ukraine do with the cheap gas? Ukraine sold it even lower so folks would vote for them again. This caused the Ukrainian government money to subsidize gas, further increasing the national debt. Ukraine was rank 2nd in the world for wasting gas. Uzbekistan is the biggest waster.

          • veth

            Nazzi, Ukraine paid more for Russian gas than for Europe gas, Thanks God, Ukraine stopped inferior overpriced Russian gas.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            another money loser was the hryvnia. To get reelected Ukrainian politicians kept the hryvnia artificially high to give Ukrainians a higher lifestyle. This cost the Ukrainian government more money to support the hryvnia and further increased the national debt.

        • veth

          Gazprom has 40 billion debt to Ukraine after the Stockholm Court decision. Plus 50 billion for the destruction of Donbass and Crimea.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Gazprom is a problem. I have heard $10 billion damages in Donbas. Russia is repairing Crimea after 50 years of Ukrainian neglect.

    • Brent

      Hey “Tommy the Troll”, do you have any facts to back that statement up? Or is just the latest propaganda from your Kremlin handlers?

      I think I will rely on people who have a clue about what they are talking about and use facts, and not some troll working is some dank Russian basement like you….

      https://www.ft.com/content/9d2173a2-60d7-11e7-8814-0ac7eb84e5f1?mhq5j=e1

      http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/russias-economic-reform-remains-elusive-as-oil-stays-weak.html

      I haven’t heard of Ukrainians having to resort to having to eat “ratburgers” and “palm oil cheese” like you idiot Russians who idolize Putin!!!

      Nazdarovya A$$clown!!!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3353c8493a7362404b84852b1a7307b6184fbff65e702130dcefcc7cfe671606.jpg

      • Tomas Kinoshta

        I have been to Ukraine and Russia. Russia is better.

        • gmab

          True if you’re a neo-nazzi.

          • Tomas Kinoshta
          • Tomas Kinoshta

          • gmab

            Obviously your English comprehension stinks. The only mention of a coup is from the crazed narrator. So, why is this any of RuSSia’s business?

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            because Russia has always controlled Ukraine. Ukraine is the red-line of USA encroachment. If US gets Ukraine to join NATO it is over. full scale war with Russia. Ukraine is worthless and Russia would rather use it as a buffer zone that glows for a 1000 years than have US missiles in Ukraine aimed at Russia.

          • gmab

            The Key words here are “USED TO’ control Ukraine. Wake up – it’s 2017 not 1945. The rest of your paraghraph is useless threats when discussing the sovereign nation of Ukraine. Just because Ruskies can’t get past the last century (LOL) doesn’t mean the world will stop evolving because your government can’t. Russia is not only isolated but being left behind, far behind and will likely disintegrate- the final stage of your doomed empire. You can thank PUtler for that. What will happen then is anyone’s guess but it won’t be pretty.

    • slavko

      Not biased at all. You have to remember that up to 2013 Ukraine was kept in the “Russian sphere of influence”. Ukraine was not exposed much to European markets. Russia also had imposed sanctions on Ukrainian products late in 2013 which further eroded Ukrainian economy. Up until that time Ukraine was admittedly dependent on Russian markets almost exclusively yet was not happy as the Russian market is extremely limited due to the poverty level within Russia. So now slowly Ukraine is unfolding herself into the European arena along with European help. Also Putin did offer financial loan but that was conditional and swiftly became pocketed by the run-away pro-Russian president Yanukovitch who had prepared the Russian invasion by eroding the Ukrainian armed services. There are many countries that need help along the way and Ukraine is one of them. Ukraine is a nation of innovative people that repay their debts and are willing to work hard. So I certainly would not call the financial help from Europe as a handout. Refer back to 1990 and the amount of times that Europe restructured loans for Russia. The only thing that “saved” Russia back then was the market price of gas and oil.

      • Rafael Hernandez

        How will Ukraine manage to pay back their loans to Russia and EU?

        • slavko

          I don’t think that Ukraine owes anything to Russia. In fact Russia owes Ukraine. It is to the EU’s interest now to have Ukraine succeed. Ukraine WILL succeed. You see after all the years that Ukraine has been in Russian sphere of influence Ukraine became more and more broke. Ukraine was being sucked dry by pro-Russian politicians as well as by Russia itself. Ukraine will be fine. However Russia will probably not be fine given the course of events. You see in business and in life of what value is there to a supposed partner that cannot be trusted. The world is a witness that Russia cannot be trusted.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            wrong, the $3 billion loan was drafted as a sovereign loan using British law. All the courts have ruled against Ukraine. Ukraine owes Russia for unpaid gas. face facts. Ukraine is a parasitic nation that tries to free load on other countries.

          • veth

            The Stockholm Court decided. gazprom must pay Ukraine for overpriced gas. 40 billion dollars, if not, all the infrastructure of Gazprom will be confiscated.

          • slavko

            Actually it’s the other way around… Russia is the parasite that feed off others. Russia sucked Ukraine dry for centuries. Like I said earlier Russia made a loan which was more so a bribe to its puppet Yanukovitch. He did all that he could to usurp Ukrainian sovereignty on Russia’s behalf. Then Yanukovitch took billions from the Ukrainian nation. Now Russia can extract the 3 billion bribe from Yanukovitch. It’s very simple really, if you open your eyes and clean Putin’s filth off your glasses.

          • slavko

            There’s another issue at stake here too. And btw Ukraine’s gas bill to Russia has been paid. However, in respect to that $3 billion loan that you brought up there are also the damages that the Russia is responsible for to Ukraine. That too must be considered. Yes the 3 billion was a bribe to Yanukovich in order to insure Ukraine’s allegiance to Moscow, there’s also the damages by Russian interests to Ukrainian lives and property. It is a known that Moscow purposefully precipitated the annexation of Crimea as well as unrest in Donbas. Advanced Russian weaponry has been used in Donbas. There’s also the what the Kremlin described as “lost” Russian soldiers that found themselves captured on Ukrainian soil. This points to direct Russian involvement in the violence in Ukraine. There’s no getting around that fact. At this point of the game I feel that it is too early to talk about the settlement of monies until Crimea and Donbas is settled. In fact the earlier that Russia gets out of Ukraine then will expedite the financial settlement process. Until then Russia is the occupier that should not be compensated by the victim.

        • Scradje

          How will pootlerstan pay the $100bn it owes in reparations for mass murder, eh naцi scum?

          • Sania

            scummer the crudje,
            u are last lier and nazii in tremendous west trolls society…

      • Tomas Kinoshta

        A prosperous Ukraine is a dream. Looks like more Ukrainians are just leaving Ukraine for a better future.

        • slavko

          Ukraine has a bright future ahead and the nation made a bold courageous step towards her own emancipation from the clutches of the Russian Empire. The only darkness you see is your own.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            only a dream, Ukraine can’t compete on the world market against countries like S Korea. The normal Asian and Jew is never praised by their parents. What you get is a workforce that folk in Ukraine cannot compete.

          • slavko

            Well Ukraine is already doing better economically than how she did while under Russian influence. So give it time. Things change. And everything that you said is just pure poppycock!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            look at history, Russia is mighty. Ukraine is a loser. more than likely the future too. best for Ukraine is eastern Ukraine join Russia and Western Ukraine join Poland. I was surprised how low Poles think of Ukrainians.

          • slavko

            More poppycock from you. And what you think it is… it is not. What you think or what Russia, Poland or any other country thinks is irrelevant in the self development of Ukraine. Ukrainian history is NOT what anyone or you say. Ukrainian future is what Ukrainians say. You are a nobody to tell Ukrainians their future. Self determination of the Ukrainian nation is in effect. Now just keep this in mind… Moscow was a Ukrainian province from the start. :) If it wasn’t for Kyiv Moscow would not have been. Ukrainian history is much older and more developed than Moscow’s and so is the Ukrainian will.

        • Geralt von RIva

          the word “ukrainian apple” pickers i heard mostly from russian.
          ukraine was according to the former EU-concept planed as the brigde to russia. i would propose to take this hand.

          • slavko

            Russia missed the boat Geralt. It bit the hand that would have fed it. Ukraine owes them nothing now. Too bad for Russia.

  • Tony

    Time for Ukraine to accelerate this trend by removing visa free with russia, say bye bye to ~5 million ethnic Ukrainian workers.

  • Murf

    I don’t suppose it occurred to them that they could turn their elaborate propaganda machine on the Russian people to try and reduce the self destructive behavior that is killing millions of working age males?
    Naw.
    Why save lives when you can build weapons to kill people instead?

    • RedSquareMaidan

      That is one aspect the writer missed on solving this future crisis for Russia. Except the ruSSo-fascist Putin is finding out his imperialistic adventures are costing his economy instead of helping it.

    • Rafael Hernandez

      The Russians are living a healthy and properous life, especially in European Russia, exluding Chechnya and Dagestan. Interestingly your comment sounds exactly like those CNN projects all the time. Do you watch CNN or other similar news channels?

      • Dirk Smith
      • Murf

        No.
        I read the WHO report.
        Cut out alcohol abuse, chain smoking and unprotected sex and Russia would have a population explosion.

        • WisconsinUSA

          Protected sex does not create babies Murph

          • Murf

            It can prevent the spread of HIV.
            AIDS is the 3rd largest killer of Russians.
            It also expensive as hel to treat but easy to prevent contracting.
            Just slap a helmet on that soldier before going into battle.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            aids is a problem in Ukraine too.

          • Murf

            AIDS is a problem every where but is is not the third largest killer in Ukraine.

      • kievjoy

        Would you like to tell that to the Russians who have come to Ukraine in the last few years because there’s no work and they have to queue for hours to get bread. This information is not from any news channel, it’s from Russians I know who have come over. Within a few weeks they also notice they’re not looking over their shoulder to see if anyone is listening to them.

        • Tomas Kinoshta

          bla bla bla, I have been to Ukraine and Russia. Russia is better.

  • Dirk Smith

    Back up to 60 rubbles this week. A few more sanctions and we can wrap this up. 1 USD =60.1013RUB
    US Dollar
    1 USD = 60.1013 RUB
    ↔Russian Ruble
    1 RUB = 0.0166386 USD https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9efa813d417228c20b9a0f2cba5c45eb1f771ae0166c9bf72b69dae0241ea47b.jpg Especially after Trump applies the wood to Count Chocula.

    • Tomas Kinoshta

      true, but Russia let ruble sink to keep government solvent, unlike Ukraine that supported the hryvnia till IMF ordered Ukraine to stop artificially support the hryvnia.

  • Mick Servian

    It’s quite nice to have a block option to block all the racist turds and their racist ranting.
    Now i can read my fiction in peace.

    • zorbatheturk

      Bogov, ratturd.

      • Mick Servian

        Oh yeah there’s a button for racist pedophile obsessed turds like you as well. Lol
        Enjoy your fascist wet dream

        • zorbatheturk

          The fascist troll is you, ratboy.

  • zorbatheturk

    The RuSSia is sinking. It will become a Stan.

    • Tomas Kinoshta

      actually Ukraine probably will disappear first. Without handouts, Ukraine would already have defaulted.

  • zorbatheturk

    Achtung: Beware Kremtrolls.