Museum of Soviet monumental propaganda to open in Kyiv in fall of 2017

Representatives of far-right groups attempted to "decommunize" the Kyiv monument to chekists (Soviet secret police) on their own, unsuccessfully. Photo: tsn.ua

Representatives of far-right groups attempted to "decommunize" the Kyiv monument to chekists (Soviet secret police) on their own, unsuccessfully. Photo: tsn.ua  

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Dismantled Communist monuments from all over Ukraine are to be gathered in a Museum of Soviet monumental propaganda on the territory of Kyiv’s “Exhibition of Achievements of the National Economy of the Ukrainian SSR,” now known as Expotsentr.

Ever since the toppling of the Lenin monument in Kyiv during the winter of 2013 amid the Euromaidan revolution sparked “Lenin showers” around Ukraine, calls have sounded wide and far that specimens of Communist monuments ought not be demolished but collected. These calls have intensified since the adoption of decommunization laws, after which not only Lenin monuments but all other memorials from the Communist era perceived to be glorifying the Soviet regime started being dismantled, although not without controversy. Especially controversial were the Soviet mosaics who many view to be works of art.

"Blacksmiths of modernity." A mosaic on the walls of the Institute of nuclear research, Kyiv. Photo: Dmytro Serhiyiv, sovietmosaicsinukraine.org

“Blacksmiths of modernity.” A mosaic on the walls of the Institute of nuclear research, Kyiv. Photo: Dmytro Serhiyiv, sovietmosaicsinukraine.org

Now the decommunized monuments from all around Ukraine will find a home in what was once the “Exhibition of Achievements of the National Economy of the Ukrainian SSR,” as the Kyiv City Council initiated the creation of a Museum of monumental propaganda there, Radio Svoboda reported. The opening is planned for the fall of 2017.

According to project manager Maxim Bakhmatov, the museum will present examples of monumental communist propaganda gathered from all regions of Ukraine. The items will be collected through reaching out to mayors who have exhibits on their hands, as well as private collectors, and will be showcased in an open and closed exhibition.

The Exposition of Achivements is considered to be a monument of communist propaganda itself. Photo: funtime.kiev.ua

The Exposition of Achivements is considered to be an example of monumental communist propaganda itself. Photo: funtime.kiev.ua

The territory of the “Exhibition” raised decommunization questions itself, as its buildings are both prime examples of monumental propaganda of the Soviet Union and have architectural value at the same time, according to Maksym Yakover, co-founder of the Foundation for studying monumental propaganda.

“Getting rid of symbols of the totalitarian past is only the first step of decommunization. The second and more important step is to reassess the totalitarian past. Our task is not to forget the Soviet past, but rather to remember it. Remember it as something that should never happen again. ‘Never again’ is what the exhibits of the museum should pronounce,” said head of the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory, Volodymyr Viatrovych.

Deputy Mayor Volodymyr Prokopiv hopes that the future museum will enter the top 10 tourist sites of Kyiv: “We will get a place which will become a symbol of us turning over the page of our communist past, as all civilized European countries did,” he noted.

The museum is envisioned to be a research project, aimed at the conservation and study of objects of art propaganda of the Communist era. Its organizers hope that it will become an open space for thinking about the Soviet past. The project’s budget is estimated at $570,000-760,000 and will be financed through donations made to a charitable foundation. So far, 15% from the necessary sum is gathered.

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  • BCHistorian

    WTF? This article is tagged as anti-Israel propaganda! Is Google insane?

    • Oknemfrod

      But indeed. Whatever their tag association algorithm is doing, it has pretty filthy bug in it.

      • zorbatheturk

        RuSSian hackers.

        • Oknemfrod

          Plausible.

  • RedSquareMaidan

    Another stark example of the difference between Ukraine and Russia. One is preserving the past and remembering it so it won’t happen again.
    The other is trying to rewrite the past and hoping to relive it. But that’s why Russia is Russia, no future because they will never learn from their past.

    • zorbatheturk

      No RuSSian alive has any experience of a normal society.

      • Dagwood Bumstead

        Not quite true, it’s normal to them. :)

        • zorbatheturk

          By now it is part of their DNA.

  • Oknemfrod

    “Exhibition of Achievements of the National Economy of the Ukrainian SSR”

    The Kyiv University campus is located just across the street from it, and the place is essentially a park, so during my student days it was a usual hangout. At the time, its actual title in Ukrainian was “ВИСтавка ПЕРедового ДОСвіду” (VYstavka PERedovogo DOSvidu, i.e. “Exhibition of advanced practice). Among us students, it was known and referred to only as the abbreviation “Випердос” (Vyperdos) composed of the capped letters above.

    Versed in Ukrainian will immediately appreciate the wit and pun of whomever coined the word. For those who are not, “випердос” is evocative of the verb “виперднутись” (vy-perd-nu-tys’), which means “to show off ostentatiously and crudely”, itself derived from the verb “перднути” (perdnuty), i.e. “to lay a fart”.

    • Ihor Dawydiak

      An excellent analysis. Since direct criticism could prove to be fatal, the use of satire and the play on words or through craftily manufactured caricatures was commonplace during Tsarist times as it was through the Soviet era. In today’s world (with the exception of Russia and other dictatorships where direct criticism can still prove to be fatal), satire and similar formats are still commonly used but not for the purpose of trying to avoid physical harm. In some cases critics must be wary of potential lawsuits.

      • Oknemfrod

        Дякую, добродію.
        Sometimes, the satire took the form of saying … nothing. I recall a joke from the era, in which a guy was nabbed by the KGB for plastering leaflets on walls and such; but the leaflets turned out to be all blank. They asked him why he was plastering the leaflets with nothing written on them; to which he replied that everybody knew what must have been written on them, anyway.

        • RedSquareMaidan

          Does that mean your name is Dorfmenko? 😉

          • Oknemfrod

            *That* doesn’t. But it doesn’t mean it isn’t ;).

  • Dirk Smith

    And remove the communist symbol from Rodina Mat shield.

    • Oknemfrod

      Actually, if it were up to me, I’d remove the entire monstrosity altogether. The scrap metal (all precious stainless steel) could be used to build a dozen of tanks for the Ukrainian armed forces.

      As far as its artistic value is concerned, it’s not even zero – it’s hugely negative. From the viewpoint of disfiguring the landscape, building it was an astounding success – and a sheer atrocity. Moreover, it was deliberate, since the idea of the commies was to make it tall enough to dwarf the Great Lavra Belltower. Before it was built, I could walk out in the balcony and behold the incredible sight of the Lavra golden domes; after that, the landscape was totally ruined by being diluted with that piece of steel garbage getting in the view. By the way, the only way the common folk in Kyiv of the era referred to that structure was “баба з ножем”, i.e. “the hag with a knife”, which is indicative enough of how they perceived it.

      Its ideological value is strictly negative, too. What are the modern Ukrainians, rather than the remaining sovoks, to derive from that iron crone looking in the direction of Moscow, eh? Not to mention that by original intent and design, this “Rodina-mat'” signifies, not Ukraine, but the “Soviet motherland”. Is it what needs to “adorn” the Dnieper Upland slopes in the most coveted and precious part of the city, the Lipki?

      Down with it.

      • Scradje

        Agreed. Alternatively, do a bit of remodeling to that she is giving a massive middle finger to the Muscovy murder gang.

        • Oknemfrod

          Chopping it down will give a much bigger middle finger to the Muscovy kolorado rag murder gang, with the added benefit of quite a few of them (and hopefully the remaining sovoks in Ukraine) going into a fit of rage and kicking the bucket from a stroke as a result. It’s much cheaper, too, not to mention the purposeful use of the scrap metal. Finally, it would return one of the most spectacular sceneries in the world to its unmolested state – an aesthetic value that cannot be underappreciated.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            If Ukrainians want to give Dwarfstan a REALLY huge middle finger, they should demolish the Russian-Ukrainian Friendship Arch in Kyiv. I’ve been told it’s made of titanium and I can think of far better uses for those tons of titanium than the so-called “Friendship” Arch. That friendship never existed anyway, it was more a master-slave relationship.
            Frankly, I’m surprised it hasn’t been demolished yet. It’s a prime example of a Soviet monument.

          • slavko

            Every link must be broken between Ukraine and that Murderous state of Russia. There cannot be any identification with them. They are murderers, liars, thugs and thieves. Russia broke the friendship treaty between the two which was “an agreement between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, signed in 1997, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Ah, but we all know what contracts, treaties and signed agreements with the Krumblin are worth, don’t we?

          • slavko

            We sure do! Oknemfrod’s idea of destroying that “friendship arch” and chopping down that Rodina Mat is a grand idea. In my opinion the first order of business.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            I think it will happen sooner or later- both will eventually be removed.
            I can’t wait for the howls from Moscow and Savushkina…….

          • slavko

            Yeah me too. The Russian people should really start thinking at minimum twice about what their Kremlin leadership and antiquated ideas are doing to relationships between their peoples. And if this helps the show get started… then the quicker the better.

          • Andrew Chmile

            “I can’t wait for the howls from Moscow and Savushkina…..”

            You will hear that FIRST! 😉

            You faqqot!

          • Oknemfrod

            Chopping down the “friendship arch” wasn’t my idea – twas’ Dag’s. But of course I support it wholeheartedly.

          • Oknemfrod

            Completely agree! In addition, this monstrosity disfigured the landscape of the park, too. Before that, it was a lovely green zone with a summer restaurant and an old fountain with sculptures of baby elephants inside – which is why among the old kyivites, the place was called “Slonyky” (“Elephant babies”). After they built it, it started reminding me the second line from the famous Franko poem “Kameniari” (Stone masons): “A vast and desolate, deserted, wild plain”.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            In that case the best thing to do is tear down the monstrosity, and recreate the park complete with fountain. There must be umpteen photos and films of what the area looked like once, which will help in restoring it.
            If Mikhalovsky can be rebuilt, then a park should be dead easy. Oh, and as a reward for my idea I’d like the equivalent weight of one segment of the arch in Ti6Al4V, in round bar, sheet etc etc in various sizes. :)

          • Oknemfrod

            Agreed! I’d imagine that the original plan for the park and its design elements (including that of the fountain) are preserved somewhere in the archives. When there’s a will, there’s a way.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            The original fountain may even be stored somewhere. When the statues just outside of Mikhailovsky (of Princess Olga, St. Andrew and Sts. Cyril and Methodius) were removed in the 1930s, they were supposedly destroyed. After independence in 1991 a start was made to restore ór rebuild various monuments and buildings, Mikhailovsky probably being the most famous. I was told that coincidentally, road works were going on in the vicinity and the workmen stumbled on the original statues- the Bolsheviks had simply buried them close by!
            The statue group with the Cossack on the left and the bandurist on the right can stay as far as I’m concerned, but the arch and the bronze workers have to go.

          • Oknemfrod

            Unfortunately, I saw the “Slonyk” demolished with my own eyes. Pretty said, as I loved it as a child – for some reason, it always evoked in my mind “The Elephant Child” by Kipling. When they started tearing it down, a friend of mine called and we went there to watch. I think, though, that as you’ve pointed out, it’s easy to recreate from existing pictures. Here’s one.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb8a9515a97c461b7afd4ab9aca7095ac09d71be40215b5755d78d2a8589deec.jpg

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Thank you for posting the photo. This and other photos of the area as it was pre-arch should be sent to the Kyiv Rada, reminding the honourable members that the “Friendship” arch is also a Communist monument and should be removed forthwith.

            The arch’s titanium can be sent to Antonov. I’m sure they can use it for their aeroplanes, depending on the grade of course.

          • Oknemfrod

            Concur!

          • Andrew Chmile

            Looks very cool! Artsy!

            Y TF did they destroy it & put in that UGLY Ruski hemno?

            I don’t get it.
            Didn’t people say “NO!” ?

        • Sania

          fuflo, kuivites still use ru language,
          It is best museum…

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            This will change as Ukrainian is now the prime language in schools and English is replacing Russian as first foreign language taught. Within a generation, Russian will be a minority language all over the country.

          • Sania

            As result, such osiol, like potroch, does know not ukra, not ru,
            not inglish . May be, he know idish?
            Ah, he knows inglish in my level,hahaha…

          • Oknemfrod

            He is perfectly fluent in both U and R. And his E is quite passable (and has been, as I’ve noticed, improving) – at any rate, it’s much better and much less accented than that of the Sad Horse, let alone the Dwarf.
            And if he happens to know Yiddish, too, all the better.

          • Sania

            a iak zhe vin zabuv , iak po ukrain’ski bude kosheliok?
            And where? Speaking in rada…

          • Oknemfrod

            То й що? З усіма трапляється. Коли один є оточений з усіх боків росіянською недомовою, легко схибити, назвавши гаманець кошельком. До речі, не “по-українські”, а “українською”. Вчи мову, йолопе.

          • Sania

            не потрiбно вчити, холопець
            Наiвся , моя вчилка укра говорила
            Чого ж онi говорять “Ви злазите?” А не виходите from troleybus
            про кого говорила? Про луцьких мешканцев, Яким комми зробили
            фабрики, заводы и ровные улицы с новыми домами
            I forget, Tsar made railway in all future ukra

          • Oknemfrod

            Якусь суцільну нісенітницю верзеш, небого. Як казала Одарка Карасеві, “мабуть випив цілу кварту або випив цілий ківш”.

          • Andrew Chmile

            PLEASE DO — WEIGH IN — in the “original area” that my reply was made — TO SLAVKO — one of us is not getting it.

            ———–

            CC: Oknemfrod

            slavko:
            Yes I did indeed read WTF you wrote on Ukie language in Ukraine.
            Pity you evidently did not AT ALL read WTF I wrote.

            For you do NOT mention ANYTHING of what I wrote at all.
            Most curious! 😉

            “There are Russian speakers that are very patriotic in Ukraine’s behalf. Why on earth piss em off?”

            Yes
            I know –very patriotic! — nor are they AT ALL being P*SSED OFF by
            the use of Ukie in Ukraine.— BECAUSE THEY — UNLIKE YOU — ARE
            PATRIOTS!
            Sounds like you are –ONCE AGAIN– polaks & Ruski have you scared that they might get mad! :)

            If so, they’ll get TF over it!
            SO WILL MOST FRIGHTENED UKES LIKE YOU …. maybe … and if not … you’ll GET USED TO IT! :)

            So
            WTF “Alex George”/”MichaelA” RUSKI MOLES *AND* that Ruska kurva from
            the Russian Foreign Ministry “suggest” to Ukes — to “help them” ?
            —- DON’T USE UKRAINIAN!!! :) OR RUSKI MIGHT GET MAD!!!!!!
            A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-E-eeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            And as “Alex George”/”MichaelA” RUSKI MOLES say — “they might side with Putin!!!!!
            A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-E-eeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Ruski advice on Uke lang. — FOR YOU slavko! 😉

            That NASTY kurva wants to help your “most gutless & accommodating kind” :)

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media
            (DELETETHIS AND CONNECT WITH) /C8J4E5rVYAA8afI.jpg

            You ROTE:
            “My whole premise is that first Ukraine must make it so that people feel a
            part
            of the nation. Their lives need to improve. You gotta give them a
            reason to learn a language that they are not well versed in.”

            Everyone in Ukieland more or less understands Ukie & Ruski.
            TIME TO STANDARDIZE & ***CREATE*** INCENTIVES!!!
            –ONE UKRAINIAN LANGUAGE PLUS ENGLISH—AND TO ELIMINATE ***DISINCENTIVES*** — don’t you think so?

            Y
            TF do you think that there are so many more Ruski publications in
            RUSSIAN rather than Ukrainian? WHO TF do you think PUSHES & GIVES
            SUBSIDIES FOR THAT?

            YOU THINK — ANY — COUNTRY WOULD TOLERATE THAT SORT OF THING?

            Would
            Poland, France, etc… use the language of a GENOCIDAL AGGRESSOR
            & ENEMY IS SCHOOLS? — You also elected to TOTALLY IGNORE what I
            wrote CITED in the earlier given to you URL:

            How Kremlin’s “minority rights” defenders are supporting Russian expansionism in Ukraine
            http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/04/03/105898/

            EVIDENTLY
            **YOU** and the RUSSO-MONGOLIAN ***MOLES** for some reason, “prefer”
            WTF *Yanukowych* traitor scumbag did to a language law that was ALREADY
            EXISTING FOR 22 YEARS — before he GUTTED IT — as he did the Ukie
            army… so that if there were a mere 10% Ruski (or *CLAIMED* to be in
            an area) — EVERYTHING HAD TO BE IN RUSKI AS WELL!!! — The COURTS,
            SCHOOLS, etc… Putin gave one of the AUTHORS OF THAT DEFACTO
            ***RUSSIFICATION** LAW — a Ruski language medal — needless to say he
            ran to Russia later …. Hmm… Most odd you think?

            ALSO AGAIN!!!
            I REPEAT!!!
            WHY
            TF did the city of DONETSK — pre-RUSKI INVASION — make a CITY
            **BAN** A **CITY** — **LAW** — on NO MORE UKIE SCHOOLS IN
            DONETSK???
            And they got away with that BS!!!

            So WHO IS BEING OPPRESSED?

            MOST
            PEOPLE IN DONETSK — * the OBLAST — by the numbers — ARE UKIE!!!
            — NOT RUSSO-MONGOLIANS!!! — 60% vs 40% btw. YET RUSKI DOMINATE
            THE LANGUAGE ISSUES!!! — WHY? TAKE A GUESS WHY THEY & THE
            **MOLES** REGARD THAT AS BEING SO IMPORTANT? 😉

            MAKE THE SAME
            LAWS AS THEY DID IN THE BALTIC NATIONS & ENFORCE IT AND YOU HAVE
            CREATED MORE THAN ENOUGH “INCENTIVES” BY THAT ALONE!!! —- RIGHT
            slavko?

            I noted the LYING done about the Estonian Language Law
            — by your “buddy” — “Alex” as YOU call that RUSKI **MOLE** — ”
            “Alex George”/”MichaelA”

            Baltic Nations are a VERY good example.

            Any one that hates Ukraine has ALREADY joined the enemy.
            Your being a Ukrainian “srako-liz” changes NOTHING!!

            Except to undercut & pi*ss off the Russohone fighters in Aydar & Azov that are learning Ukie.

            BTW — something like 93% (or more?) NOW consider themselves as Ukie!

            You ROTE:
            “My whole premise is that first Ukraine must make it so that people feel a
            part
            of the nation. Their lives need to improve. You gotta give them a
            reason to learn a language that they are not well versed in.”

            Everyone in Ukieland more or less understands Ukie & Ruski.
            TIME TO STANDARDIZE & ***CREATE*** INCENTIVES!!!
            AND TO ELIMINATE ***DISINCENTIVES*** — don’t you think so?

            Y
            TF do you think that there are so many more Ruski publications in
            RUSSIAN rather than Ukrainian? WHO TF do you think PUSHES & GIVES
            SUBSIDIES FOR THAT?

            YOU THINK — ANY — COUNTRY WOULD TOLERATE THAT SORT OF THING?

            Would
            Poland, France, etc… use the language of a GENOCIDAL AGGRESSOR
            & ENEMY IS SCHOOLS? — You also elected to TOTALLY IGNORE what I
            wrote CITED in the earlier given to you URL:

            How Kremlin’s “minority rights” defenders are supporting Russian expansionism in Ukraine
            http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/04/03/105898/

            EVIDENTLY
            **YOU** and the RUSSO-MONGOLIAN ***MOLES** for some reason, “prefer”
            WTF *Yanukowych* traitor scumbag did to a language law that was ALREADY
            EXISTING FOR 22 YEARS — before he GUTTED IT — as he did the Ukie
            army… so that if there were a mere 10% Ruski (or *CLAIMED* to be in
            an area) — EVERYTHING HAD TO BE IN RUSKI AS WELL!!! — The COURTS,
            SCHOOLS, etc… Putin gave one of the AUTHORS OF THAT DEFACTO
            ***RUSSIFICATION** LAW — a Ruski language medal — needless to say he
            ran to Russia later …. Hmm… Most odd you think?

            MOST
            PEOPLE IN DONETSK — * the OBLAST — by the numbers — ARE UKIE!!! —
            NOT RUSSO-MONGOLIANS!!! — 60% vs 40% btw. YET RUSKI DOMINATE THE
            LANGUAGE ISSUES!!! — WHY? TAKE A GUESS WHY THEY & THE **MOLES**
            REGARD THAT AS BEING SO IMPORTANT? 😉

            MAKE THE SAME LAWS AS
            THEY DID IN THE BALTIC NATIONS & ENFORCE IT AND YOU HAVE CREATED
            MORE THAN ENOUGH “INCENTIVES” BY THAT ALONE!!! —- RIGHT slavko?

            I
            noted the LYING done about the Estonian Language Law — by your
            “buddy” — “Alex” as YOU call that RUSKI **MOLE** — ” “Alex
            George”/”MichaelA”

            Baltic Nations are a VERY good example.
            Any one that hates Ukraine has ALREADY joined the enemy.
            Your being a Ukrainian “srako-liz” changes NOTHING!!

            Except to undercut & pi*ss off the Russohone fighters in Aydar & Azov that are learning Ukie.

            BTW — something like 93% (or more?) NOW consider themselves to be UKRAINIAN.

            How about you slavko?

          • Oknemfrod

            I’ll gladly reply “in the original area” if you kindly point me to the discussion where the dialog between you and Slavko took place.

            As far as the actual issue of U vs R is concerned: I agree with you. In particular:
            – The use of U in government at all levels must be exclusive. In particular, using R in the Rada is an abomination and it should be totally banned.
            – The predominant use of U must be incentivized by all legal means in all other areas, such as business, culture, and education.
            – There should be no dubbing of U in R “for the convenience of R-speakers” in no bailiwick. Dubbing in E is okay where called for (like it was during the EV).
            – The fear that someone will be “offended” by using U is goofy. R-speakers who move to live in Poland or Czechia have to learn P or Cz and somehow don’t seem to be offended by that.
            – It was a terrible mistake that a resolute drive toward re-Ukrainization wasn’t initiated immediately after winning independence. The failure to do so stemmed from both sloth and lack of understanding how crucial the nation-defining importance of the language is.
            – Etc.

          • Andrew Chmile

            My COMMENTS to slavko (Scradje up-votes him on theis topic which surprised me — the Ruski moles of course like slavko’s approach!

            See my “comments” to Slavko below:
            https://disqus.com/by/disqus_KRwcq9SSHv/

            Hitting the “View in discussion” — takes you there — to see ….

            My last comment to him was that I am THROUGH discussing Ukie in Ukraine with him for now. For I KNOW it would QUICKLY devolve ….

            Slavko is …. “a relativism” fan btw,,,, So no “absolutes” :)

            I SHALL forward your comment above to him though … then disengage …. the MOLE/TROLLS are of course watching :) — But after BASHING “Alex George” MOLE SVOLICH on this topic — he has “disengaged” …. Slovko “thinks” — it appears — that any prescription is a violation of individual WILL.

            On such “discussions” — Ruski pretend “there is no market for Ukrainian” :)))
            Of course you KNOW how I would address such.

            Anyway …. I am rather “annoyed” with Slavko & the Ukes that up-vote him here.

            The MOLES are of course mere idiotic, mentally WEAK. stupid sh*ts.

            Feel free to “review” the causal chain of posts here on said topic.

            Where I “forward” your last comment is at the END of my discussion with slavko….

          • Andrew Chmile

            COPY 4 YOU:

            God hath said:
            “….. you enraged me with these things! But now my anger shall subside, I shall be calm and no longer angry….”

            ————————————————-

            Andrew Chmile

            a minute ago TO SLAVKO:

            Slavko, fearing my disgruntlement with you will despoil this
            discussiaon on Ukie language in Ukraine, I shall forward Oknemfrod’s
            comment. I Invited him to review our (& that RUSKI MOLE “ALEX
            GEORGE” comments) & review & make his own.

            COPY for YOU:
            Oknemfrod TO ME:

            19 hours ago

            I’ll gladly reply “in the original area” if you kindly point me to
            the discussion where the dialog between you and Slavko took place.

            As far as the actual issue of U vs R is concerned: I agree with you. In particular:

            The use of U in government at all levels must be exclusive. In
            particular, using R in the Rada is an abomination and it should be
            totally banned.
            – The predominant use of U must be incentivized by all legal means in all other areas, such as business, culture, and education.

            There should be no dubbing of U in R “for the convenience of
            R-speakers” in no bailiwick. Dubbing in E is okay where called for (like
            it was during the EV).
            – The fear that someone will be “offended” by
            using U is goofy. R-speakers who move to live in Poland or Czechia have
            to learn P or Cz and somehow don’t seem to be offended by that.

            It was a terrible mistake that a resolute drive toward re-Ukrainization
            wasn’t initiated immediately after winning independence. The failure to
            do so stemmed from both sloth and lack of understanding how crucial the
            nation-defining importance of the language is.
            – Etc.

          • Andrew Chmile

            “I’ll gladly reply “in the original area” if you kindly point me to
            the discussion where the dialog between you and Slavko took place.
            As far as the actual issue of U vs R is concerned: I agree with you. In particular:”

            “The use of U in government at all levels must be exclusive. In
            particular, using R in the Rada is an abomination and it should be
            totally banned.”

            Slavko AND the monhols would be aghast! :)
            You don’t at all HEAR foreign languages in Congress or Spanish parliament, etc.. really..

            “- The predominant use of U must be incentivized by all legal means in all other areas, such as business, culture, and education.”

            YEP!


            “There should be no dubbing of U in R “for the convenience of
            R-speakers” in no bailiwick. Dubbing in E is okay where called for (like
            it was during the EV).” (EV = Euro Vision — my note)

            Sure!

            “- The fear that someone will be “offended” by
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

            using U is goofy. R-speakers who move to live in Poland or Czechia have
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

            to learn P or Cz and somehow don’t seem to be offended by that. ”
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

            EXACTLY!! —- THAT IS THE POINT!!!


            “It was a terrible mistake that a resolute drive toward re-Ukrainization
            wasn’t initiated immediately after winning independence. The failure to
            do so stemmed from both sloth and lack of understanding how crucial the
            nation-defining importance of the language is.
            – Etc.”

            YES!!! The Baltic Nations KNEW!!!
            The monhol MOLE “Alex George” tried LYING about the Estonian Language Law, but I looked it up …. he STFU — being the LYING Ruski SCUMBAG like they all are …. It seems, BTW — they are censoring me I notice :))

            “THEY” get into that when I discipline them sufficiently :)
            Fortunately for me, you replied sooner then they could get around to removing my posts! :)

          • Andrew Chmile

            I should further add, to your above — & MOST IMPORTANTLY PERHAPS… THAT strange RUSSO-MONGOLIAN **NEED** to destroy EVERYTHING UKRAINIAN …. it’s ENCODED in their Ruski DNA….

            And they **ALL** conspire in that!!!

            BY INSTINCT!

            Including telling Dominicans (AND ALL OTHERS!) that “Ukrainians & Russians are the exact same thing!”

            (but a little lower in various ways :)

            I had the PLEASURE of having one stupid Russian explain that to me! :)

            He also told me that Ukr. & Russ. are “almost the same language.”
            Fascinating! :)

          • Oknemfrod

            It’s rather inane than fascinating. Did he also explain why the same Russians like him who can’t stop yakking about Ukrainian and Russian being “almost the same” can’t explain it in Ukrainian? Or why they don’t understand regular spoken Ukrainian? Or why, as opposed to that, any Ukrainian and Belarusian understand each other perfectly well, each speaking their own tongue?

            He’s partially correct in “almost the same” in one sense only: Most of what is actually Slavic in the modern Russian vocabulary – which is not much – has come, in the words of their own linguistic idol Vladimir Dal’, from “malorossian” – Ukrainian, that is. The same Dal’ always insisted that “ruskij jazyk” (sic – with one “s”) was identical to “malorossian” and that Russian per se – the subject of his famed dictionary – was a “great Russian” dialect of that “ruskij”.

            The asinine claim of modern Russian imbeciles that Ukrainian is a bastardized dialect of Russian stems from the confluence of basic linguistic illiteracy and RTV-induced intracranial malformation.

          • Andrew Chmile

            “He’s partially correct in “almost the same” in one sense only: Most of
            what is actually Slavic in the modern Russian vocabulary – which is not
            much – has come, in the words of their own linguistic idol Vladimir
            Dal’, from “malorossian” – Ukrainian, that is. The same Dal’ always
            insisted that “ruskij jazyk” (sic – with one “s”) was identical to
            “malorossian” and that Russian per se – the subject of his famed
            dictionary – was a “great Russian” dialect of that “ruskij”.”

            Interesting….
            “Vladimir Dal” !?
            WHO TF is that sovok?

            Vladimir Dalhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Dal

            Ah! Y TF am I not surprised?

            Heavily influenced by Ukes… VERY!
            This “GREAT RUSKI LEXICOGRAPHER!

            AND NATURALLY …..

            IT”S THE JEWS!!!!!

            ————————- begin:

            Blood libel affair
            Dal served in the Ministry of Domestic Affairs. His responsibilities
            included overseeing investigations of murders of children in the western part of Russia.

            ((( Editor’s Note — ME!) — IT”S THE JEWS!!!!! ))))

            In 1840, the Damascus Affair had revived the medieval blood libel canard in Europe (the anti-Semitic accusation that Jews use the blood of Christian children for ritual purposes), and Czar Nicholas I
            instructed his officials, especially Vladimir Dal, to thoroughly
            investigate the legend. In 1844, just 10 copies of a 100-page report,
            intended only for the czar and senior officials, were submitted. The
            paper was entitled “Investigation on the Murder of Christian Children by the Jews and the Use of Their Blood.”
            It was claimed there that although the vast majority of Jews had not
            even heard of ritual murder, it and the use of blood for magical
            purposes were committed by sects of fanatical Hasidic Jews.[6] While the paper is often attributed to Dal, the question of the authorship (or multiple authorships) remains controversial.

            In 1914, 42 years after Dal’s death, during the blood libel trial of Menahem Mendel Beilis in Kiev, the then 70-year-old report was published in St. Petersburg under the title Notes on Ritual Murders. The name of the author was not stated on this new edition, intended for the general public.[7]

            ———————– END

            So because the Ruski liked Dal — They “let him off.”

            “While the paper is often attributed to Dal, the question of the authorship (or multiple authorships) remains controversial.”

            Seems that MANY writers were heavily influenced by his “use of Ukie” — NOT that they would EVER say that …

            But it stands to reason from your above:

            “Most of what is actually Slavic in the modern Russian vocabulary – which
            is not much – has come, in the words of their own linguistic idol
            Vladimir Dal’, from “malorossian” – Ukrainian, that is. The same Dal’
            always insisted that “ruskij jazyk” (sic – with one “s”) was identical
            to “malorossian” and that Russian per se – the subject of his famed
            dictionary – was a “great Russian” dialect of that “ruskij”.

            Yeah, yeah…..

          • Andrew Chmile

            COPY FO’ YO’ @SS TOO…

            This below appears:
            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/euromaidanpress/no_one_denies_soviet_army_defeated_hitler_but_russians_wont_admit_it_occupied_those_it_liberated_tat/#comment-3332743307

            Skurvy sin Oknemfrod said he’d kick in …. but …. BRESEH!!! THE LYING SOVOK SVOLICH!!! — “P’tfu!” — PLUYOU!!!

            Hmm… LYING Russo-mongolian POS & **STUKACH** –“Vasyl P.”
            up-voted you (AGAIN!!!) :)

            WTF is THE SECRET OF YOUR GREAT POPULARITY WITH SCUMBAGS!!! DO TELL!!!

            “laker48” — the UKIE HATER also gave you a lot of up-votes for awhile!
            — When you were saying how EVIL Ukes were for EXPELLING the MURDEROUS scumbag polak INVADERS!!! :)

            Here!
            You can PRAY to his polak photo below! :)

            Zygmunt Janiewicz

            HE LOVES IT when Ukes — LIKE **YOU** — suck his little polak dik!

            Now you are into sucking Ruski @ssholes! — “Alex George” — –“Vasyl P.”— Do you find them tastier? Or merely a change?

            Nothing like a juicy Ruski sraka — eh?
            Does it EMPOWER you? 😉
            Make you FEEL BETTER & MORE DEMOCRATIC? :)

            Copy for Oknenfrod …..
            A
            BIG pity I can’t give a copy for your mother …. who AS PER YOU —
            was TOTALLY FORCED to use Ruski — & was FORCED to INFORM ON HER
            PARENTS IF THEY USED UKIE AT HOME …. So tell me — YOU & THE
            RUSKI ***MOLES*** how EVIL UKES ARE — IF THEY USE UKIE IN SCHOOLS,
            COURTS … etc… et.. OFFICIAL stuff…

            Y TF do I think yo’ mama would SPIT in your face & call you a FOOL!!!!
            But …. the Russo-mongolian MOLES like you …. they DO NOT LIKE ME! :)))

            GOOD FOR YOU!!! :)

            Te tuman!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d3f329b7922e7ba785738f1e430995f33ceaecd0ae4c68e4c46976987594522f.jpg

            Wonder WTF Zygmunt Janiewicz is doing with that little boy?!?!

            he is VERY Roman Catholic you know…. just like Putin is into little boys….

          • Sania

            ублюдок, за недомову по-любому ответишь

            хотя тарас уже сказал свой перл
            “Та геть, бики, чого ж ви стали”…

          • Andrew Chmile

            :)

            Nasty! Nasty! :)

          • Oknemfrod

            Guilty as charged ;).

          • Andrew Chmile

            hmm…. you appear, judging by his many below unpleasantries …
            pi*ssed him off somewhat…. “ублюдок adolfmenko” as he would put it … if a “he” that is ….

          • Oknemfrod

            It doesn’t disquiet me a whit; and I mean “it”, not “he” or “she”.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Love your humour Oknemfrod 😉

          • Oknemfrod

            Thank you, Eddy.

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            Hilarious! I do believe that Miss Sanya is attempting to converse in some pidkin variation of Slavonian Surzhyk.

          • Oknemfrod

            His/her/its “language” is Trollish … or Trollian if you perfer. Typical of Ukraine-hating, dwarf-loving scum.

          • Andrew Chmile

            Liar!

            there are ***1,700*** RUSKI monhol language schools in Ukraine.

      • Dagwood Bumstead

        Based on what I remember from my metallurgy classes, stainless isn’t a very good material for tanks. While tough, it’s also soft (relatively speaking of course) and not suitable for armour. However, there are undoubtedly lots of other, far better, uses all that material could be used for.

        • Oknemfrod

          You remember correctly. However, first, there are different kinds of “stainless steel” and, second, the scrap can be reformulated and recast. The main thing, there is enough iron there.

    • Dagwood Bumstead

      Perhaps remove it and affix the trizub in its place, then rotate the statue until it is oriented exactly in the direction of the Krumblin, to emphasise that Ukrainian soil and people are no longer Moscow’s private property.

  • zorbatheturk

    The Soviets liked their propaganda, didn’t they.

    • Dagwood Bumstead

      At the end of the day, it’s all they had, really.

      • zorbatheturk

        Very true.

  • Y K

    Are there any people left still fretting over Ukraine’s (belated) de-Communization?

    • Oknemfrod

      Yup. There’re still gobs of cranially-challenged sovoks left over both in Ukraine and abroad, but they are the least problem to worry about because of natural attrition.

  • Rafaelski Hernandezov

    Further zombfication made by the Ukrainian governement. Don’t they feel ashamed enough?

    • zorbatheturk

      Farkov.