Trump and Ukraine: ‘a small country far away about which we know little’?

Hands clasped in friendship, Adolf Hitler and England's Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, are shown in this historic pose at Munich on Sept. 30, 1938. This was the day when the premier of France and England signed the Munich agreement, sealing the fate of Czechoslovakia. Next to Chamberlain is Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany. Paul Schmidt, an interpreter, stands next to Hitler. (Image: AP)

Hands clasped in friendship, Adolf Hitler and England's Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, are shown in this historic pose at Munich on Sept. 30, 1938. This was the day when the premier of France and England signed the Munich agreement, sealing the fate of Czechoslovakia. Next to Chamberlain is Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany. Paul Schmidt, an interpreter, stands next to Hitler. (Image: AP) 

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British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain’s dismissal of Czechoslovakia as an artificial country created at Versailles and one that was “far away” and “about which we know little” have long been the byword for the betrayal of a small country by a larger power and of the appeasement of an aggressor.

But Chamberlain’s role as betrayer and appeaser in chief is now being challenged by US President Donald Trump’s declaration that Washington doesn’t know what is going on in Ukraine and therefore cannot evaluate it.

U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence, January 28, 2017 (Image: US DHS)

U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence, January 28, 2017 (Image: US DHS)

And Trump’s words are given content by his vice president who says that sanctions the US imposed on Moscow for its actions in Ukraine can be removed if Russia cooperates elsewhere.

Americans are notorious for their ignorance about other countries. Last week, for example, the Russian media had a field day with the report of a poll Russian journalists conducted in New York City about how the US should react to Russian aggression against a non-existent country, “Kyrgbekistan.”

Moreover, this ignorance often extends to the level of senior officials as when the White House suggested that it was concerned about Polish forces that supposedly were invading Ukraine at the present time.

But for anyone who has been awake the last three years to declare that he doesn’t know what is going on in Ukraine at all, especially if that individual has been openly dismissive of intelligence briefings, suggests either stupidity, willful ignorance or something even worse. And for his deputy to say sanctions should be lifted not when their goals are achieved but when those who have committed a criminal act agree to help out elsewhere is perhaps even worse.

1965 5-cent U.S. stamp honoring Winston Churchill, who famously said: “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”

1965 5-cent U.S. stamp honoring Winston Churchill, who famously said: “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”

As Winston Churchill observed at the time of Chamberlain’s collapse before Hitler, the British prime minister had chosen shame in order to avoid a war; but by so acting, Chamberlain’s successor said, the author of appeasement would end by getting both. That is a hard lesson, but it is one that needs to be learned again.


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  • Xeroi Ato

    I’m sure Ukraine is very important “strategic” partner of the US, not a little pawn on the grand chessboard that can be exchanged for something meanigful. Get real.

    • Brent

      Hey “ZERO”, I’m sure you’re a clueless little “useful idiot” who thinks life is like a game of Warcraft where those that get killed are nothing more than characters to make you feel big and tough and not real people with real families who have the right to choose their own destiny and not be cannon fodder for murdering tyrants like Putin….how many shirtless Putin posters adorn your bedroom walls, little boy? “Get real”??? How about “get a life”….

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/32eabe5b3c1625d760b15c32d0f291bf9c24e7e18465f6c2186c626d9afc4e11.jpg

      • туфтуф
        • Brent
          • туфтуф

            Lovely. U seem to be an intelligent geezerbird. Lol

          • Brent

            U R Welcome TOTO, now go slime back under whatever rock your were birthed under….

          • туфтуф

            Seems you didnt get my meaning brentoman. The word in Cockney dialect means transgender. Tired of teaching u English.

          • Alex George

            You will need to learn it before you can teach it, you old windbag.

          • Alex George

            Only comparatively

          • laker48

            LOL! :)

        • Dale Davies

          Just more Pootlerstan propaganda filteted through the Kriminalin. In the remote chance you could refer to international media reports, you could have a small bit of credibility.

          • туфтуф

            Intl media are lying. 2 untrustworthy. But l can try. Do u consider Canadian news outlets trustworthy?

          • Dale Davies

            When you look at media outlets from Canada, the USA, the UK, Germany, France, Isreal, India and Australia and they tell the same or very close story, therein is the truth. They also tell pretty much the same story. Then you look to OSCE reports and they coincide with the news media that have reporters on the front line. All these seem to be in discord with what .ru tells. To answer your question with this information, yes I trust our Canadian media at least most of the time. We have more than one media company and on some things they do not agree when politics are involved depending on the party affiliations. International is not subject to internal politics the same.

          • туфтуф

            Dale babe, do you like Michel Chossudovsky? Dnt know if l spelled his name correctly. He is a Canadian professor and has excellent analytical site. I will try to find it for u luvvie. I think its called Global news report. And check my ex naval intelligence friend Wayne Madsen. Will give you the password.

          • Dale Davies

            Checked internet on him. He is the son of Russian Jewish immigrants. No problem there. He is the founder of the Center for Research on Globalization. I have found articles published in this groups name at least somewhat proRussian. The other issue I find more disturbing is the anti USA, NATO and even UN ideology professed by the writer(s). Sounds like another troll scroll outlet to me so I pay no attention when I see the organization name in connection to an article!

          • туфтуф

            Try to read them, no matter that u r not ideologically on the same page. They are very intelligent ppl. My late friend Arun Shrivastava wrote for them. We wanted to invest into organic tea plantations together in the Himalayas, and he let me down. He died in Nov 2015. Heart attack. Loved him dearly. Have u tried wmr? Will give u password.

          • Mykola Potytorsky

            It is called Global Research out of Montreal and this site is known as a kremlin apologist site. many people are saying they are paid $1,000,000 per month from the kremlin mythmakers.

      • Xeroi Ato

        Kerry offered Putin a deal to change Poroshenko, at the expense of Assad. Putin declined.

        Which should tell you what Russian priorities are, nevermind the US’s.

        • Brent

          Sure they did. Keep eating that palm oil cheese “ZERO” and soon whatever is left of your Russo Nazzi brain will melt into mush.

          Everyone knows the Kremlin’s priorities.
          >Lying
          >Murder
          >Stealiing

          • laker48

            “Everyone knows the Kremlin’s priorities.
            >Lying
            >Murder
            >Stealiing”
            Agree.

          • Dale Davies

            Sums things up!

        • Mykola Potytorsky

          AN Y PROOF

    • laker48

      Agree! I also believe Ukraine will stay within the US sphere of influence, as it’s too important as a US and NATO-friendly, powerful buffer zone between the RuSScist Federation and the rest of Europe. Trump will likely apply a hefty dose of moves and shakes to the oligarch-dominated and corrupt to the core Ukrainian political, economic and legal systems.

      • Alex George

        There is no reason to think that Trump will apply any more “hefty dose of moves and shakes” to corruption in Ukraine than Obama did. If you want to do that, you need to be the IMF or the EU, not a US President. What do you think Trump is going to do?

        If you think that Ukrainian political economic and legal systems are “corrupt to the core” then you are simply ignorant. Which is no doubt why you didn’t give any reasoning or argument in support of the assertion.

        • laker48

          Here’s the most favourable writeup I could find on fighting corruption in Ukraine. You may put lipstick o a pig, but you won’t make it a beauty queen.
          http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2016/10/24/transparency-international-says-ukraine-corruption-changing-radically/#4e3fab035e02

          • Alex George

            As I said, you need to learn something about Ukraine. Follow the news there. You clearly don’t have a clue what is happening there.

            You may put lipstick on the pig of your opinions, but you won’t make it a beauty queen.

          • laker48

            You arrogant ignoramus! I’ve been to Ukraine many times for extended periods of time, have friends there in the Volhynia area, Lviv, Kyiv and Kharkiv, and two of my skiing buddies are Ukrainian Greco-Catholic priests who are in touch with their families and friends in Poland and western Ukraine.

            Ukraine is a mafia state and will stay this way for a prolonged period of time. It’s a kleptocracy, very much like the fascist RuSSian Federation, albeit it deserves credit for some incremental progress in fighting its Byzantine corruption of epic proportions. The progress in this field is far from satisfactory, though, and this is the main reason behind not sending to Ukraine US Javelin antitank missiles and M270 MLRS systems called “generals’ sniper rifles”.

      • туфтуф
    • Alex George

      An article about Trump gets posted here every few days for the last 2 years.

      Right….

  • laker48

    A rather very shallow, not to say outright stupid commentary. The US won’t let Ukraine slip out of its orbit, bu it’ll be rater a Ukraine without president Poroshenko at the helm. Trump is anything but stupid, but he doesn’t seem either Putin or Poroshenko-friendly. He plays his own game and will use Ukraine as a pawn, but as a pawn he controls in 100%. Trump is a control freak.

    • Forewarned

      I beg to differ, Trump is very stupid and we should hope those who do his thinking for him are smart.

      • laker48

        Your problem.

    • Alex George

      i would have thought a better point to be made against the article is that its out of date: Trump’s representatives have now confirmed that sanctions will stay until Russia leaves Crimea.

      How do you work out that Ukraine is “in the US orbit”? The EU has more influence there, and even China is approaching US influence in Ukraine

      The idea of Trump using Ukraine as a pawn is also just fantasy. Trump has very little say in Ukraine.

      • laker48

        “Trump has very little say in Ukraine.”
        Well, yet to be seen, and rather sooner than later. You may soon see Mikheil Saakashvili as an eminence grise in Ukraine, and Poroshenko ousted in the next elections.

        • туфтуф

          There ll be no next elections.

          • Brent

            Sh*t for brains, that’s up to the people of Ukraine to decide. NOT Putin. NOT Drumpf. And certainly not for a lying loser like you…

          • laker48

            The problem is that the people of Ukraine have little or no say in this still mafia state hijacked by criminal oligarchs and their goons. Ukraine has a long way to go.

          • Alex George

            As does USA

            And as usual, your assertions about Ukraine are based on ignorance. Try learning something about the place.

          • laker48

            Ukraine is irreformable.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Time will tell. I for one think Ukraine is actually reforming itself. Much too slow to my liking, but step by step.

          • laker48

            I wish you were right.

        • Alex George

          “Well, yet to be seen, and rather sooner than later.”

          No, it can be seen right now. Trump is merely a US president. That gives him very little influence in Ukraine. If you think he can influence it, try explaining how, instead of making absurd and unsupported assertions.

  • Mephisto

    Some (not all) Americans know little about the world outside of the US, but it is a shame when a minister of a European country knows nothing
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-foreign-minister-san-escobar-mocked-non-existent-supporter-un-security-council-a7523041.html

  • туфтуф

    Breaking: in case that Kiev does not stop killing civilians of Donbass, Russia warns it will send hit squads to deal with persons responsible.

    http://10svodok.su/ruussia/1266-rossiya.html

    • Brent

      Is that why Russia liquidated “Givi”???? He was responsible for a lot….

      https://themoscowtimes.com/news/pro-russian-guerilla-commander-assassinated-in-ukraine-57076

      BOOOMMMM!!!!! Another Russo Nazzi terrorist bites the dust…..

      • туфтуф

        Russia possibly liquidated Givi in order to give itself an excuse for what is to follow: murders of people who are responsible for ukroarmy’s terror over Ukrainians of Donbass. СМЕРШ is being re born.

        • Alex George

          Ha ha, Russia already oppresses the people of Donbass. It didn’t need to kill Givi to do that .

          • туфтуф

            I agree. Thats why l believe the DPR claim that it was Ukrainian terrorists.

      • laker48

        It might have also been the Ukrainian resistance movement in Donbas.

      • туфтуф

        If secret services were involved, they did it in order to clear the way for the invisibles. Spetsnaz GRU, my opinion. Bad for ukroterrorists.

        • Alex George

          Pity that Ukrainians are the ones they don’t manage to kill…

          • туфтуф

            Ukros are bullet proof. Givi was only half ukrainian. His dad was Georgian.

        • Mykola Potytorsky

          yeah I know – the spetznazis

  • zorbatheturk

    Trump doesn’t like facts to get in the way of his preconceived notions.