What Putin got and what Trump gave up in their phone call

Trump: "Now, most importanly, to properly position the pieces!" (Russian political cartoon: Gorbarukov, Regnum.ru)

Trump: "Now, most importanly, to properly position the pieces!" (Russian political cartoon: Gorbarukov, Regnum.ru) 

Analysis & Opinion, Politics, Russia

In advance of talks with a foreign leader, the sides often employ one of two strategies to ensure that the outcome can be presented in the ways that they want. Thus one side may suggest no real breakthrough is possible thus lowering expectations. Or it may suggest something many oppose could happen in order to get credit when it doesn’t.

Both these tactics were on display in advance of the January 29 telephone call between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, with the former leaking that sanctions might be lifted when that wasn’t going to happen overnight and the latter signaling via his foreign ministry that any talks with the Americans would be difficult.

That is all in the way of such events, but it has the unfortunate effect of leading some to misread what in fact happened. Thus, in this case, because Trump didn’t end sanctions, many in the US are delighted because what they feared most didn’t happen and even allowing themselves to believe that their opposition to such a step played a role.

In order not to fall into that well-prepared trap, it is important to look at what each leader took away from the talks.

If one does that, it becomes clear that not only did Putin get far more that he wants but that Trump received in return promises that aren’t worth the air the Kremlin dictator used in expressing them.

Using the Kremlin readout of the talks on which almost all commentaries east and west currently rely, it becomes obvious just how much a victory the phone call was for Putin and how little, all the hoopla notwithstanding, Trump got in return. The consequences of this imbalance tragically will be seen soon enough.

Here is a list of what Putin got:

  • An end to his diplomatic isolation that has been in place since his invasion of Ukraine
  • Explicit promises of a summit soon between the two leaders
  • Implicit recognition of spheres of influence and of Russia and the US as equal “partners”
  • Explicit acceptance of his insistence that the US and Russia should decide things, apparently without the participation of those involved, including Ukraine
  • An implicit promise to lift sanctions in the name of improving economic relations between the two countries.

Here is a list of what Trump got:

  • A promise that Russia would cooperate in the war on Islamist terror and assurances that Russians like Americans just as Americans like Russians.

Putin’s behavior in Syria shows just how little that promise is worth, although one can be sure that Moscow and its Western supporters will view this as a great breakthrough, just as Putin and apparently Trump as well intend them to.

But the real meaning of yesterday’s conversation between the two leaders is underscored by the reactions of Russian commentators who signaled that their hopes were coming true: One politician, for example, said that as a result of the Putin-Trump talks, NATO is in disarray.

And others suggested this conversation had been between two “friends” rather than just chiefs of state or insisted that it was a breakthrough to a new era of good feelings in which Ukraine and other problems of the past could now be put aside.

Hands clasped in friendship, Adolf Hitler and England's Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, are shown in this historic pose at Munich on Sept. 30, 1938. This was the day when the premier of France and England signed the Munich agreement, sealing the fate of Czechoslovakia. Next to Chamberlain is Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany. Paul Schmidt, an interpreter, stands next to Hitler. (Image: AP)

Hands clasped in friendship, Adolf Hitler and England’s Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, are shown in this historic pose at Munich on Sept. 30, 1938. This was the day when the premier of France and England signed the Munich agreement, sealing the fate of Czechoslovakia. Next to Chamberlain is Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany. Paul Schmidt, an interpreter, stands next to Hitler. (Image: AP)

The author of these lines has often lamented the unfortunate impact of jet travel and telephonic communication on relations between countries, two technical innovations that have elevated the importance of personal ties among leaders above other things even as they have reduced the role for diplomats and a careful consideration of national interests.

That unfortunate trend has some deep and disturbing precedents:

When Nevil Chamberlain returned from Munich, he celebrated what he said was the fact that Hitler really liked him and that such feelings could be the basis for a new era of good feelings between Germany and the United Kingdom.

One can only hope that no Western leader in the rush to boost his ratings will be similarly manipulated by this generation’s counterpart to the Nazi dictator.


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  • Steve

    All pure bull manure. Where are the links to material that can be crossed checked to prove the author’s assertions? It is this kind of crap that has Americans holding the Main Stream Media in such low regard and exactly why Trump got elected. We are tired of “drive by assassinations” based upon innuendo, gossip, best guesses, and unverifiable facts, or facts lacking the ability to be crossed checked.

    • RedSquareMaidan

      The links, are highlighted in blue in case you are used to Fake News or RT. The rest is common history, like Putin’s policies are very similar to Hitlers.

      • Steve

        I checked those links and again my original question remains. Interesting you “handle” is Red Square.

        • Andrew Chmil

          You still in Kyiv Steve?

          • Greg

            Trump cannot stand up to Putin, his business will lose all those Russian investors his son stated they have. Trump is owned by Putin, by the balls I’d say!

          • Andrew Chmil

            READ TO END!!!

            Seems “someone” put an END to ALL RUSKI LEAKS…

            Men have died.

            The Muscovian Candidate _ The Monthly

            https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/robert-manne/2017/24/2017/1485219081/muscovian-candidate

          • Greg

            thank you very informative and I am not surprised. I believe Trump will be impeached and he may be charged with treason.

        • Alex George

          “Interesting your “handle” is Red Square.”

          Why?

    • Murf

      Steve you obviously don’t understand how it works with Russians.
      For them EVERYTHING is a zero sum gain or loss.
      There is NO such thing as a win/win. None what so ever.
      The mear fact that Trump called Putin and not the other way around is a Win ( with a capital W) for them.
      They only understand strength.
      And your boy Trump just gave his away.
      Sorry, but in the Russian mind they OWN Trump and have said so in their own Media.

      • Steve

        Excuse me !! Soviet Air Land Battle is something I was trained on. And you? I fought the Russians that advised the N. Vietnamese. Did you? You are lecturing one that understands oh so well that he only thing the Russians do in fact understand is not only power but brute force in their face. As far as Trump giving anything away show me the facts that can in fact be verified. You have none. Only what the media is putting out. Did you attend the meeting in the Oval Office to personally verify what he did in fact say? Or are you just regurgitating the media’s best guess?

        • Murf

          Hay Steve kiss my a$$,
          I spent 20 years prepping to fight Russians on the planes of Germany not the jungles of SEA. They told me in the Fulda Gap scenario I had a 35 SECOND life expectancy. you talk about Air, Land battle? I knew the guys at TRADOC who fu*king wrote it. I have broke track, pulled packs, and sat OP so long I forgot my own name.
          More importantly than all that I have been crossing sabers with Russia’s since this business began.
          So why don’t you just back Your sh*t up a bit.
          Some “Russian Advisor” who may or may not have been some where out in boons didn’t make you expert on their political physiology.
          Don’t believe me about Tump?
          Then read their media has to say.
          They respect strength and gravadis. Trump is acting like a giggling school girl who got invited the Prom by the Football captain.

          • Steve

            Oh your profanity shows just how little of an argument you have. As for Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) so what. I spent two years patrolling the East/West German Border from Fulda. You know the Fulda gap along with the Hof Gap the Russians where expected to come through. Yes I fought in SEA but along with the above also Iraq and Afghanistan. So stop insulting SEA Veterans. Or any Combat Vets for that matter. As for your life expectancy on the Fulda Gap someone mislead you. Your feelings about Trump are yours but again your pejorative language doesn’t support your argument. It only detracts from your argument. As for experience with Russians please take a very close look at my avatar and give me your class graduation number from any SFQC Course.

          • Murf

            Well then it goes back to whet I said the the first you don’t know sh*t about dealing with Russians.
            And proximity didn’t help much.
            But look back and compare Reagan’s handling of the USSR.
            He sure didn’t act like a geeked out Fanboy at COMICON.
            But again, just delve into the Russian media and see for your self what they think.
            And my profanity is a reflection of you being a tool because someone dared to criticize your beloved Trump.
            I’ll be more supportive him when starts acting like a President and not the Radio Shock Jock in Chief.

          • Geralt von RIva

            we met once one of these border patrols and my uncle asked them wether the vikings were once there. the answer was “No”. And my uncle replied “they knew why they went to Paris”^^

          • Andrew Chmil

            Hey “Geralt von RIva” fascist!

            Good that they kicked you off Ukraine Today.

            Old East German COMMUNIST & LESBIAN pervert MERKEL wants Ukraine to use OPPRESSIVE MEASURES to FORCE that BS “Minsk Agreement” BS!

            This way it will “help” Merkel get re-elected! :))
            AS SHE FAILED IN EVERYTHING!!!

            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-ukrainetodayusa/minsk_agreements_implementation_part_of_merkels_campaign/

          • Geralt von RIva

            not sure that she will become reelected, she has a new opponent. but if her oppenent will win you wouldnt like it also^^.

          • Andrew Chmil

            “not sure that she will become reelected, she has a new opponent. but if her oppenent will win you wouldnt like it also^^.”

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/29/martin-schulz-profile-left-wing-europhile-wants-hardest-brexit/

            An ALCOHOLIC! Ex or not —- An ALCOHOLIC!
            Psychiatric issues.

            Rather like Merkel …. given her ULTIMATUM to Ukraine…. even URGING use of BRUTAL MEANS… She is ALSO a mental case !!!

            Regarding the Jew… She learned German — but NOT Ukrainian… Jew!
            ALSO —
            She is UGLY!!!

            I notice you made no comment on the article I gave you.
            Interesting.

          • Geralt von RIva

            yes, thats the shlt. merkel or him^^.

            but she was on the maidan, while you not. 😉

            uatoday or whats its name is a propaganda tool where some people shake their balls. with an idlot like bayethe as 1 opponent, to “show” that they are “objective”. why i should comment this?^^

          • Andrew Chmil

            Because of what the German government is telling Ukraine, for Merkel’s wanting to be re-elected. — that’s why.

            Germans have a very limited Understanding of Ukraine & Russia and the use of Ukraine FOR Germany.

            Maybe the Russo-mongolians didn’t have enough sex with your grandmother?
            Maybe they will, along with the Moslems & Africans with your polak girlfriend some day.

            Think of German foreign policy then! :)

            Germany did think of Ukraine —- WW2 — when it was too late.
            Not a smart people in some ways… are they?

          • Geralt von RIva

            this is german foreign policy (matthiae-meal has normally arround 400 guest from business, industry, politics). and you will nearly find no infos in newspapers 😉

            “Matthiae-meal with Canada’s Premier Trudeau

            Kanadas head of government Trudeau is expected to be an honorary guest on 17 February in Hamburg. Hamburg sets a sign of foreign policy. Even before the visiting of controversial US President Donald Trump at the G20 summit in Hamburg, Canada’s government minister Justin Trudeau joins the Hanseatic city for a traditional Matthiae meal. According to the news agency dpa, he will be together with Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel (SPD) at the banquet on 17 February.

            Trump at G20 summit in Hamburg

            At the G20 summit on 7 and 8 July, the heads of government of the most important industrialized and emerging countries in the world meet, invited by Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) in Hamburg. The G20 group includes 19 countries as well as the EU. Even before Trumps officially became elected, it was expected that to the controversial meeting up to 100,000 counterdemonstrates would come. This figure is likely to increase since Trump’s first decisions, such as the entry-stop for many Muslims.

            Trudeau welcomes refugees

            Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau, on the other hand, is pursuing a different policy. He responded to Trump’s entry ban by welcoming refugees demonstratively. “To all those who flee from persecution, terror and war – the Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith,” wrote Trudeau on Twitter.

            Matthiae meal since 1356

            Already since 1356 the regiments of the Hansestadt invite to the feast. The name goes back to Matthiae Day, February 24th. On this day the tasks in the Senate were redistributed and new mayors from the ranks of senators elected. At former Matthiae meals the imperial and the Dutch ambassadors were honorable guets. Today a foreign and a German honorar guest are always invited.

            Last year, Britain’s former Prime Minister David Cameron and Chancellor Angela Merkel were honorable guests of the Matthiae meal in the city hall in Hamburg. At that time, the Hansestadt wanted to set a clear signal for Britain to remain in the European Union. Ultimately, the British decided for a Brexit.”

          • Andrew Chmil

            Hmm….

          • Andrew Chmil

            “uatoday or whats its name is a propaganda tool where some people shake
            their balls. with an idlot like bayethe as 1 opponent, to “show” that
            they are “objective”. why i should comment this?^^ ”

            1) Bayethe is an idiot. Correct.
            2) There are good articles there, pulled drom all over.
            3) You have no need or requirements to comment anything. :)

            You are also to afraid? — business?
            — to HONESTLY and/or DIRECTLY comment anything it seems.

            You must have had an interesting childhood.

          • Geralt von RIva

            i am banned there, i have no need to comment ANYTHING. 😉
            shall i become someone like bayethe by begging to become allowed to comment there?^^

          • Andrew Chmil

            guess you did not read what I wrote

          • Geralt von RIva

            articles are also possible selected and fits propaganda.

            refugee crisis was good and bad for germany/europe. positive was that it triggered necassary changes which were wrong already long before merkel.
            trump is also good and bad. depends how germany/europe will react. everywhere where trumps pulls out are open gaps. could become filled by germany/eu. ie TPP, Mexico, Canada. depends of the speed of the EU^^.
            for elections they will possible keep refugees and immigrants out of the media. schulz is social democrat, so election campaings will possible be only about social stuff. taxes and so on.
            we are in germany not the whole day talking about minsk or refugees. the priorities are different than in ukraine. that the german embassy wrote a letter to poroshenko no one knows here.
            but what i clearly can say you is that ukraine for the election in germany has 0 influence. so this interpretation is total nonsense.

            “One question immediately comes to mind: why has such claim been received just now, in the run-up to the Bundestag elections, rather than immediately following the signing of agreements in February, 2015? ”

            simple because ukraine has 0 influence on german elections. we vote for jobs, money and so on. very egoistic 😉 except of course former ukrainians like marina weissband :D.

            now you know why i dont read such crap

          • Andrew Chmil

            “that the german embassy wrote a letter to poroshenko no one knows here.”

            I find the above rather astonishing!
            Truly I do!

            Even in the U.S. — such would have some impact!

          • Geralt von RIva

            but merkel/steinmeier said since 2 (or 3) years russia should stop the shooting AND ukraine should stop the shooting. so it is really nothing new under the sun. they make now an elephant out of a gnat. ending with this election interpretation.
            the whole story is a tin foil story. do you really think i will take into account wether there is peace or not in the ukraine (or what the german ambassador writes to poro) when i am standing in front of the ballot box?
            more interesting is that diplomatic letters become published. but even this knows no one here.

          • Andrew Chmil

            “the whole story is a tin foil story. do you really think i will take
            into account wether there is peace or not in the ukraine (or what the
            german ambassador writes to poro) when i am standing in front of the
            ballot box?”

            You most CERTAINLY (or SHOULD!) take into account hordes of moslems on the street & crime etc…

            “more interesting is that diplomatic letters become published. but even this knows no one here.”

            The Ukes “leaked it” of course!
            Who else?
            Because it IS a VERY DISGUSTING type of ultimatum!

            Very cynical, very stupid …. all because Merkel wants to “prove”
            she did not FAIL everywhere — and that SHE — “made peace”.

            A bad — VERY!! — peace — but a 20 second “talking point”.

            Naturally, the Ukes (VERY PROPERLY!) ignored it & EXPOSED IT! —- But Merkel tried… why not?

            You didn’t hear of that diplomatic letter — but YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD OF “PEACE IN UKRAINE” — right?

            Just as you will HEAR — of Russo-mongolian AND Ukrainian troops marching down German streets possibly. :)))

          • Geralt von RIva

            “You most CERTAINLY (or SHOULD!) take into account hordes of moslems on the street & crime etc”

            if traditional parties will only campain for social politics, ie poverty of older people and so on and our media only will go for these themes, what could happen, then it will become for our AfD (right wingers) dangerous, because they have no other theme to offer except refugee policy (with which alone one cant govern a country for 4 years). and to gover a country is a bit more than just waiving a german flag and complain about refugees^^.

            we have about 5% unemployment, south european countries have >10%. this will give merkel her percentages and she knows it. ukraine not.

            can you read this? russia sends SMS-messages to ukrainian soldiers?

            http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/diese-textnachrichten-bekamen-ukrainische-soldaten-auf-ihre-handys-geschickt-sie-sollen-sie-demorali-200265869-50061800/3,w=649,q=high,c=0.bild.jpg

          • Andrew Chmil

            Can read enough to know it’s stupid sh*t.

          • Geralt von RIva

            a new possible partner for the EU 😉

            “US President complains about “stupid” refugee deal with Australia
            After a telephone conversation with Australia’s Prime Minister Trump wants to review an agreement on refugee resettlement. The President was supposed to have broken up the conversation out of anger.”

          • Andrew Chmil

            Good!

            They should send those SAVAGES to Germany where they belong!

            They don’t mind…. you said you don’t care either….
            Germans are such SCUM!!!

            WTF don’t you write a few more posts about THE — HOLOCAUST™ !!!! :)))

            You can ALWAYS count on Germans to lick your @sshole!!! 😉

          • Geralt von RIva

            we can’t take them. trump took them all :C

          • Andrew Chmil

            Trump should tell Germans WTF the Jews tell Germans …. they “can’t” take in refugees from the Congo, because it “would change the character of the Jewish state.”

            Jews KNOW that Germans HAVE NO CHARACTER!

            & NO BALLS EITHER!
            Germans are more cowardly than Jews you know….

            You dirty, RACIST German Jew killer!!!!

            Go write some more about how you Germans MADE SOAP out of those dirty Jews — YOU FILTH!!!!

          • Geralt von RIva

            “In an interview with Kallstadter filmmaker Simone Wendel (Kings of Kallstadt, 2014), Trump was proud to be proud of “this German blood.” [5] In 1987, however, he had claimed in his autobiographical book, The Art of the Deal, that his grandfather came from Karlstad in Sweden, with which he passed a protection claim of his father from the time of the Second World War. [7]”

          • Andrew Chmil

            Trump is a “LYING sack of sh*t” as is said.

            The LOUDLY CLAIMED “Christian Trump” — was once BRAGGING how HIS DAUGHTER — is MARRIED TO A JEW!!!

            & his SLUT DAUGHTER — IVANKA — **CONVERTED** to being — A JEW!!!
            An ORTHODOX JEW — that WON’T USE THE PHONE ON SATURDAY, eat a cheeseburger, or a ham sandwich etc…

            She DOES “eat” Jew dik though … & SHE CHOPPED HER 2 SON’S DIKS!!!
            DISGUSTING SLUT! PERVERT!!

          • Geralt von RIva

            she is talking about u btw, u german nazzi. we have paper here. 😉

            “Ларисса Mod Vasyl P. • 2 days ago
            Just a German Nazzi. I read his recent comments. He called muslims ‘moslems’, only Germans use this word, no Slavic language or Dutch or Danish. I banned him.”

          • Andrew Chmil

            “”Ларисса Mo — or “Larissa” if you want — is an IGNORANT Ruska TROLL pizda.

            She & the other TROLLS there always write about how her “only baby died in Donbass” :)))

            Good!!!! :)) —- Unfortunately it is a lie!! :(((

            “Moslem” is ALSO used in “Anglish” — just not as common OR “politically correct”… You know of course how important such is to me.

            HERE!!!! GIFT — READ TO END!!!

            Cc 4 YOU
            ————————-

            READ TO END!!!

            Seems “someone” put an END to ALL RUSKI LEAKS…

            Men have died.

            The Muscovian Candidate _ The Monthly

            https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/robert-manne/2017/24/2017/1485219081/muscovian-candidate

          • Geralt von RIva

            first we said in germany “Mohamedaner”. until to the 70/80th. then came “Moslem”. We dont know from where it came but we assume from the english-language. today we say muslim, muslima (femininum) and so on. i don’t think she knows it, but became simple “informed” by the german “expert” mike^^.

          • Andrew Chmil

            Hmm… again …. MOSLEM WAS USED IN ENGLISH …. later on, some BS moslems said it “sounds like” an Arab curse word …. so it was decided (by whom???) to change it.

            Nah’ …. it was used for centuries…. not my problem…. let them get used to it!

            FK ’em!

          • Geralt von RIva

            already banned on ua-dingsdabums? i hope it was not your sunday-account^^.

          • Andrew Chmil

            “already banned on ua-dingsdabums? i hope it was not your sunday-account^^. ”

            Both my accounts!!!! :)))
            Got banned about …… (from the second account) hmmmm … 30 minutes ago! :)

            Who told you? 😉

            It is a ***RUSKI*** TROLL SITE!!!
            — the “focusser” moderator is legitimate! — ALL THE REST ARE PRETTY MUCH TROLLS!

            They are just getting sneakier!!! :)))

            Amazing!!!
            It is a MORE SUBTLE TROLL SITE!!!

            REAL POSTS — AND MORE SNEAKY BS AS WELL!!!
            Interesting!!! :)

          • Andrew Chmil

            Ya’ know …. I am inclined to think, that perhaps my “reputation” preceded me. :)))

            Still … they are a “good troll model”.

          • Geralt von RIva

            😀

          • Andrew Chmil

            Hmm…. it explains WTF “they” deleted JUST ABOUT ***EVERY*** comment of mine.

            They didn’t want OTHERS to see that BS… besides …. I made them look bad!! :)))

            So they ALL (the working trolls) ALL agreed with each other,on how I am a Nazzzii & such BS — for OTHERS to read — for the VERY, VERY FEW remaining comments of mine that were not deleted — IF ANY are left at this time. :)))

            So a TROLL SITE !!! :)))

            With AN “INNER CORE GROUP”!
            Interesting!!!

      • Andrew Chmil

        “The mear fact that Trump called Putin and not the other way around is a Win ( with a capital W) for them.
        They only understand strength.”

        YEP!!!
        America is now a PROVEN “pu$$y” …. now for more…

        Trump SNATCHED defeat from the jaws of victory.

      • Andrew Chmil

        READ TO END!!!

        Seems “someone” put an END to ALL RUSKI LEAKS…

        Men have died.

        The Muscovian Candidate _ The Monthly

        https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/robert-manne/2017/24/2017/1485219081/muscovian-candidate

  • Murf

    What Trump, Putin and his little minion Trolls also got was a clear indication that the US congress is vehemently opposed any reconciliation with Putin.
    The Speaker of the Senate Mitch McConnal (R, Ky) the third most powerful man in Washington, said that sanctions should not be removed but increased.
    So my Ukrainian friends, the U.S. Is not going to sell you out no matter how Trump and Putin may want to.

    • Andrew Chmil

      Seems like Putin is the FAR SUPERIOR “negotiator” — isn’t he Murf?

      Just before Russia COLLAPSES ….. TRUMP TO THE RESCUE!!!!
      … for …. some Russo-mongolian ***PROMISES*** eh?

      How about making Ruski KEEP THEIR **PREVIOUS** PROMISES? 😉
      Putin OWNS Trumps @ss!!! — This is far too STUPID otherwise, is it not Murf?

      (yeah…. I’m THAT “Andrew”.)

      • Murf

        Trump has to learn the of the new game he playing in.
        Putin has lot more experience.
        Once Putin screws him over real good Trump will know what to do.
        Until then we have to hope the congress can restrain his wilder impulses.
        They have their work cut out for them.

        • Andrew Chmil

          Trump WILL “trade” Ukraine for help with HOLY DESERT Israel’s “interests”.

          Ukraine produced 52% of Soviet production…. Putin WILL work with Trump on various DESERT sh*tholes TO GET Ukraine…. (and the estimated 1 TRILLION $$$ Black Sea oil & gas….. Good deal for Jews & for Putin!

          My Jew friend has been REVERSING his views on Ukraine fairly suddenly I noticed!
          For him. Ukraine & the U.S. (& U.S. lives) are all SH*T in terms of HOLY ISRAEL.

      • zorbatheturk

        Putin is a lying sack of s h i t and so are you.

        • Andrew Chmil

          “Putin is a lying sack of s h i t and so are you.”

          Mind telling me EXACTLY WHERE * I * lied,
          you *LYING* faqqot?

          Do tell!

    • Andrew Chmil

      Hmm…. Poles figure this is a good time to attack Ukraine now…. :)

      Rather TRADITIONAL & typical of their character, is it not?

      Rather like when Poles attacked Ukraine while the Ruski did as well… Post WW!.

      Poles
      wanted to steal the oil fields at that time, etc… Later made an
      “alliance” with Pitliura, then (as usual) betrayed Ukraine &
      IMPRISONED the soldiers thhat fought with them against the Ruski &
      treated them so badly that most starved to death & died from disease
      etc…. Good people eh? Ask them! — THEY ARE ALWAYS THE SACRED
      VICTIMS OF EVERYONE!!! — LIKE THE “precious Jews”….. to hear them
      tell it anyway…

      LYING scumbag **PERFIDUOUS** Pole “laker48” must be as happy as a LYING catholic homosexual polak pig in sh*t…

      What I expected AND PREDICTED about Poles… TRADITION!!!! :)
      WAS I NOT CORRECT? :)

      Cc: SCUMBAG — LYING (“cleverly” IT imagines) “laker48”

      http://www.unian.info/politics/1749537-kyiv-warsaw-relations-depend-on-ukraines-stance-toward-upa-kaczynski.html

    • zorbatheturk

      Luckily there are checks and balances on Trump’s ignorance, arrogance, and stupidity.

      • Murf

        Don’t forget narcissism.
        I am surprised he hasn’t changed the name of Air Force One to Trump One.

  • Eolone

    Putin had another card under his sleeve, that was the disclosure of the (scapegoat) arrest of two hackers into the DNC. Trump earlier denied Russia’s involvement. In short, according to the NYT on Jan. 27, “…the Russian government may be signaling that it might, however
    indirectly through a treason trial, reveal details of election hacking,
    which would have the potential to damage Mr. Trump’s administration.”

    Trump needs to place nice with Putin. There could be other embarrassing things to come.

  • Greg

    Trump is coming to understand he does not have the same power as Putin! Trump must follow the laws of the USA, Putin does not and has not many times. Putin is free to violate the Russian Constitution as he likes, Trump will not be allowed this luxury. Trump is a fool, anyone who cries about the size of the crowds is so inward looking he likely is incapable of making any reasoned decisions on anything!

    • zorbatheturk

      The ruSSian constitution is a very short document. It consists of three words only: ” RuSSia is Putin.”

      • Greg

        funny words, yes it is true the Russian Constitutions has come to mean exactly as you say, no judge or justice official will stand up to Putin to depend the law. why would they, they would go missing in the night or outright die at the hands of the FSB. Putin has brought Stalin’s repression back with a new flavour.

  • zorbatheturk

    Trump is a chump. Doesn’t he realize the ruSSkiys have declared war on the West? Then again, ignorance is a Trump trait. For example, he said that while the US is full of BMWs there are no Chevys in Germany. Er… the roads in Germany have plenty of them. Except they call them Opels. Opel Astra 65,000 sold in Deutschland in 2016, Opel Corsa 55,000, Opel Mokka 32,000.

  • Larry Faught

    is it true Putin is worth 200 billion??????

  • Larry Faught

    is it true trump has loans from Russia and china??