The ugly things Moscow might do if Ukraine is consigned to a Russian sphere of influence

Political cartoon: The Russian bear gnawing on Ukraine

 

2016/12/29 • Analysis & Opinion, Politics, Russia

All too many people in the West are casually talking about recognizing Ukraine as lying within a Russian sphere of influence without reflecting what that might mean for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Such people might want to revise their thinking after hearing what well-connected Russian commentator says should be done in that event.

Mikhail Khazin (Image: rodina.ru)

Mikhail Khazin (Image: rodina.ru)

Mikhail Khazin, an economist, a former official in the Russian Presidential Administration, and a member of an experts commission of the Moscow Patriarchate, outlines what he believes Moscow would want if the West acknowledged that Ukraine is in Russia’s sphere of influence.

Once Ukraine is acknowledged as part of Russia’s sphere of influence, Khazin says, “everything will depend on what we want. If we want to keep Ukraine whole but loyal to Russia, then it will be necessary to return the Donbas with a change of leadership in Kyiv … Further, counter-propaganda will begin. The population there won’t be delighted in fact.”

“There, crudely speaking, will be several million people whom it will be impossible to correct. Well, it will be necessary to liquidate part of them and drive out the rest,” the Moscow commentator says.

On the other hand, Khazin says, Moscow may decide to dismember Ukraine. Then, “the picture would be the following.” The eastern portion of Ukraine now “should go into Russia as oblasts with complete de-Nazification and de-Ukrainization, with a complete prohibition of the use of Ukrainian alphabet, Ukrainian texts, broadcasts and teaching in Ukrainian.”

Moreover, he continues, the rest of Ukraine “must become an agrarian state,” one which will not be allowed to have its own “army or industry.” If there is overpopulation, then people should be sent to the Russian Far East. And the Western four of five oblasts of Ukraine “should be given to Poland.”

That is, Khazin says, “all of the Banderite people must be driven there and handed over to the Poles. The thing is that, in the division of the world, Poland will also go to us. We must secure the loyalty of Poland and have them occupied by someone or other.”


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  • Terry Washington

    The REALLY funny thing is that many of those people talking about consigning Ukraine to the(presumably not so tender) mercies of Putin on the grounds that it is part of”a Russian sphere of influence” would correctly decry any suggestion that Latin America( Cuba, Venezuela) is logically part of the US”sphere of influence” under the terms of the Monroe Doctrine!

  • Eddy Verhaeghe

    Mikhail Khazin is as mad as a hatter… There really is no other way to describe the thinking of the man. His “There, crudely speaking, will be several million people whom it will be impossible to correct. Well, it will be necessary to liquidate part of them and drive out the rest,” and ” The eastern portion of Ukraine now “should go into Russia as oblasts with complete de-Nazification and de-Ukrainianization, with a complete prohibition of the use of Ukrainian alphabet, Ukrainian texts, broadcasts and teaching in Ukrainian.” are the ravings of a very, very sick mind…

    • freedom fighter

      yeah i donno who that guy is or care, but he sounds like he just wants to start chit or totally out of his zio wanna be like mind lol

      • Eddy Verhaeghe

        How much I try, I simply don’t understand second part of your sentence. Just try Google translate… Maybe you’ll be understood.

        • freedom fighter

          then why bother replying in the first place?))) u no understand, and i can live with it.

      • Quartermaster

        You should care. That insanity is what you are supporting.

    • Oknemfrod

      >the thinking of the man<

      Eddy, it can be called "thinking" no more than the instincts of a rabid Pavlov dog trained by putler to react with this sort of barking upon hearing any word derived from "Ukraine". People have developed a well-known SOP to deal with rabid animals, and if it should strike this ork's fancy to take part in the "liquidation" he's so fond of personally, there's no doubt the Ukrainians will gladly apply it to him. The problem is, he dwells in Russia, where this SOP is applied exclusively to sane people rather than rabid dogs.

    • Greg

      this man has embrace all of Stalin!!!

  • Vlad Pufagtinenko

    I have come to the conclusion that once russian mother’s grow older and can no longer keep up with the sexual needs of their sons……the sons go mad, and start speaking like Mikhail Khazin.

    • freedom fighter

      it’s funny u say that, while morality of ukraine is way below russian one as of now….

      • Eddy Verhaeghe

        Do you really believe what you write?

        • Dirk Smith

          No, he’s one of the few remaining trolls left on Savushkina Street while his sister prostitutes down the street.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Dirk, don’t repeat the mistakes our side made on other discussion boards. Leave the insults out of your posts. Let the other side use insults. They’ll get sanctioned by the administrator and in the end will have to use arguments or go away. And even if they use arguments, they will loose most discussions and go away. They will of course be replaced (or reappear under another alias), but at least our side will be able to have its points of view discussed properly.
            I wish you a healthy and prosperous 2017. Slava Ukraini!

        • freedom fighter

          it’s true…….ukraine is now the capital of underage prostitution son…..wake up aki, stop just watching ur bs cnn and bbc spinny type of news.
          after the fall of ussr, the morality of ukraine has dropped………and it’s not going to go up anytime soon….sad but true.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            After the fall of the USSR the morality of some people in Ukraine indeed dropped. Just as it did in Russia. The difference between Ukraine and Russia today is the fact that in Ukraine there is a (in my opinion big) chance that the country will get back on the road to a more moral society. If 2 Maidans were not enough there will be a 3rd one. As long as the current powers that be in the Kremlin remain in power there is no chance whatsoever that this will happen in Russia. To use your own words, ‘sad but true’ for the Russian people who don’t deserve to be ruled by a bunch of lying thieves inspired by Stalin and the nazi thoughts of the likes of Dugin and Khazin.

      • Vlad Pufagtinenko

        Get off your mother and start thinking clearly Comrade

        • freedom fighter

          no unlike u i’m not ontop of her…….that’s u and ur kind son, naa sain aki?

          • Vlad Pufagtinenko

            ???

        • Oknemfrod

          “Thinking clearly”? You’re asking this amoeba to perform a physically impossible act: He has no organ with which it can be done.

        • Eddy Verhaeghe

          Vlad, as much as I dislike the comments of the likes of ‘freedom fighter’, I dislike the first part of your comment. Don’t want to see the slanging matches of other sites repeated on the Euromaidan discussion boards… But I fully agree with the second part of your comment : ‘… (freedom fighter) start thinking clearly Comrade’

      • Turtler

        Ukraine hasn’t been concealing a massive AIDS/HIV epidemic internally, or going after charities by labeling them “Foreign Agents.”

    • Mykola Banderachuk

      khazin should be dismembered himself

  • freedom fighter

    i dont think it matters who says what about russia, because russians know that they’ve been bend over forever and ever it would seem like, genocide of 3/4 of all the russians in the world during christianization of russians, millions died in all kinds of wars because of some bs politics, most of the time russians won but got nothing for it. since 1900 more russians became victums of politics along with other neighboring nation, even during the 1990’s people were dying of starvation, and i think there was even a law implemented where u are not allowed to eat a dog or a cat……
    just imagine how hungry people were to do such things. so yeah, our politicians are not angels, anything u say wont change a mind of a russian one way or the other……….the only
    good thing is from the 1990’s to now there is a slight change for the better……people are not starving for the most part, yes it’s funny how only 150 million russians are basically would be considered waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay below poverty line in most of the world right now, but we tend to survive one way or the other. with all the resources we sell to europe they live much much better. but fine….let’s move on.
    now… if u look to all the neighboring countries one would see, bs with them numbers and all them gdp things, u can tell just by looking at things if it’s better or worse……most of the little neighboring countries actually do much worse after the fall of ussr……..only few do better and that’s good, maybe someone should look up to them and take on, or let’s say adjust local politics in a way that would benefit most people not just some………
    now lets look at ukraine………it would seem ukraine did not do all that bad, the wages were actually slightly better compare to russia, well at least it seemed that way for some time… ok, still many people came over russia to work and bring some money home, nobody cared, nobody really had any hate for ukrainians like it’s being portrayed by most of the news towards russians, it would seem like russians are so horrific, the worst neighbor one can possibly have…….it’s all bs and propogando me thinks, but let’s continue,……ever since poroshenko took over it seems on paper that the country is doing better, gdp is always growing, and boy oh boy if it wasnt for russia ukraine would be heaven by now………ok raise ur hands if u actually believe in that BS, certainly not me that’s for sure………….ok ok so LIKE ALL AND MOST POLITICANS IN THE WORLD YANUKOVICH STOLE from ukrainians…oooooooooh well what a big suprise))) yet he hasn’t ved u the
    free visa travel for years while knowing for dam sure that he was lying, and parashenko
    has a straight face while facing the camera and talking about how i never lie, i always
    tell the truth…….well, someone should really look at that dutshe welle interview with poroshenko and another clown from rada and see what that OLD GUY, WHO IS NOT PRO RUSSIAN BY ANY MEANS says and how he talks to them…u really really should, i’ve heard them interviews are not being shown in ukraine, not sure how much of it is true though. so what do u have now……… we have poroshenko’s promises of free travel visa, yet nobody tells u that even if u do get them u wont be able to work, it does not include employment authorization or something equivelent to that and that’s a shame………….
    we also have a war, weather it’s civil or vs russia does not really matter, only people are
    suffering not politicians. yes same politicians who say from ukrainian side that russia is an occupier……so why would it stop? why not take the rest of ukraine? see there is some more bs that’s being broadcasted here by the bs news companies just like this one right here…….anyway i donno what’s going to happen, but i’ve seen videos from rada where they’ve tried to tax anything russian more, and this and that bs, so whoever says ukraine didn’t start chit, meaning ukrainian politicians are lying!!! it seems all they want u to do is hate russians to the point where u are willing to kill them and be happy about it, thinking they’ll get help from europe that’s reassuring their victory………….well……i think everyone should rethink that strategy, stop decommunizing chit, it’s part of ukraine’s history for the good or bad, and just move on…….

    • Eddy Verhaeghe

      Your latest rant ‘stop decommunizing chit’ says it all. Just like Germany needed denazification after WW II, the countries that succeeded the USSR need decommunization. If the RF doesn’t understand this, it will for sure be regarded as the real heir of the inhuman communist experiment…

      • freedom fighter

        well just like most people u have no idea what u are talking about if u placing ussr and german naszies in the same pot.

      • Rafael Hernandez

        But why is Ukraine turning to the direction they had in 1941? It will never end good for Ukraine

        • Oknemfrod

          What ITF “direction” did they turn in 1941 that you’re babbling about?

        • Brent

          “Walnut brain Ralphie”, why is your beloved Rossiya heading back to the direction they had in 1825? I guess you want to be a “serf” in Putin’s new Rossiyan empire?

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/48fd118ce2b6facfd3c5bb6e9ede7a6b5516399253d6bc4240b41527788199fc.jpg

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Of course I want the Russian empire back. It will benifit all former Soviet states

          • Brent

            By bringing back bread and meat queues? By restricting travel, EVEN WITHIN ROSSIYA? Is that why former Soviet states want nothing to do with being part of Soviet Union 2.0???

            You are so f*cking clueless as to what the Soviet Union 2.0 will mean even to your miserable life.

            Here’s a sample. Hiding the facts about health epidemics……but then again, your Kremlin handlers refuse to confirm to you how stooopid you really are…

            https://www.rt.com/news/365089-russia-urals-hiv-rate/

      • Y K

        Precisely. Ukraine’s decommunization is 25 years overdue.

    • Dirk Smith

      LOL. I-M-B-E-C-I-L-E.

      • freedom fighter

        ur papa be that aki)))

        • Dirk Smith

          Thanks for confirming my earlier statement.

    • zorbatheturk

      Looks like the Savushkina trolls are already migrating from uatoday. They must have failed classes at the Putin Salad Tossing Akademy.

    • Brent

      Yes, Rossiyan Nazzi monkeys have been bending each other over for years…..and blaming others…..

      It looks like the end of a workday at 55 Savushkina for you and “the boys” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/765d80029f2bf30c11aa3da7c6d9d2fa4ca1e935cb14be19332453380f18589a.jpg , FIFI….

  • Dirk Smith

    “Sphere of influence?” LOL. Third-world ruSSia can’t even manage it’s own God-forsaken country. While the gay dwarf keeps trying for credibility in the big picture, he’s nothing more than a primal thug robbing his country blind. ruSSia will collapse in 2017 one way or the other. It’s all smoke and mirrors. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1ef4b3dad8180dd842a4196ecbcb33a5a04d2b4330857c6be1fff97f9be46426.jpg

    • Eddy Verhaeghe

      If only this could happen in 2017… The RF as we know will disappear sooner or later, but 2017 seems implausible to me. Much to the chagrin of Ukraine and a pity for ordinary Russians who suffered, suffer and will suffer for some more years from the misrule of their country by Czars, communists and the bunch of criminals that runs the country now.

  • Scradje

    Further confirmation, as if it were needed, that putlerstan is a naзi state.

  • Rafael Hernandez

    While this is a drastic step, We must consider that Khazin is representing many current Ukrainian thoughts

  • zorbatheturk

    This stinking RuSSian assclown needs a bullet in the head.

    • Oknemfrod

      You’re showing this ork way more mercy than he deserves. Methinks he’s mentioned the word “dismemberment”, so why not let him taste his own medicine? He could go to Kyiv, give the same harangue in a pharmacy on Maidan, and I’m sure there would be no shortage of volunteers to buy this medicine for him.

  • Y K

    This Khazin character – a former Jewish high school math teacher turned Orthodox Russian nationalist “economist” who built his “career” upon predicting the dollar’s imminent collapse – is a not-untypical representative of Putinoid post-modernism, where nothing is real, and anything goes.

    • Scradje

      His views, like Zhirinovsky and fellow naзi Dugin, are pretty mainstream in today’s putlerstan, where the ‘protocols of the elders of zion’ are actually believed.. He is only expressing publicly what the kremlin murder gang say in private.

    • Eddy Verhaeghe

      Again and again I noticed that people that cut away their roots – being a Jew in the case of Khazin – go to extremes to be believable in their new habitat, to their new fellow travellers. In other words become zealots…
      Apparently in the case of Khazin this is compounded by the fact that he was a math teacher…

  • anonymous

    After President Trump (with the help of Kissinger) makes the grand bargain on spheres of influence, the West will need another leader of the free world. President Trump will align the US with North Korea(recognize Crimea as Russian), Putin’s criminal Russian government. The West will not follow. That is what Putin does not understand. Putin’s hope is that the US is the leader of a unipolar world. That is not reality; that is Putin’s delusion. After President Trump makes good with Putin, the rest of the west will wake up and understand that the US has surrendered its position as the leader of the free world and international law. The West will hold strong against the criminal Putin government; maybe even stronger than with the current leader of the free world. President Trump’s grand bargain will add up to nothing for Putin when the rest of the West stands strong against the criminal Russian government and the US cooperation with it. I can see Europe sanctioning the US/President Trump for their cooperation with the criminal Putin. That is my most optimistic scenario. The opposite scenario is as above

  • Victor Victory

    Is that one of Russia wet dreams