Valentina Lisitsa: a fallout because systematic lies are not opinions

Picture courtesy of Fancy Brand

Picture courtesy of Fancy Brand 

2015/04/10 • Op-ed

Article by: Alexander Kluev

Valentina Lisitsa, the Ukrainian-born pianist whose concert in the Toronto Symphony was canceled for her tweets promoting racism and hate-speech, appealed to her supporters to speak out in her behalf. The social media frenzy that they raised “bullied” the pianist who was called in to replace her into declining the invitation and into stirring up a media controversy. Here we publish an open letter to Valentina Lisitsa by a supporter of Toronto Symphony’s decision.

Dear Valentina Lisitsa,

You got what you deserved and I’m so glad you did. I’ll write my support to TSO as soon as I finish this post. As you might see I’m not trolling or threatening you. I’m also from Eastern Ukraine, ¾ ethnically Russian, and don’t speak Ukrainian in my dreams. You can google my name and get my address and phone number if you want to hear what I’m going to say in person or over the phone.

I’m just saying that living in democratic society like Canada you choose to spread lies to support terrorism and banditism and now you are facing consequences for doing that. Hopefully, TSO won’t stop here and completely severs all ties with you. In my opinion, it would be a normal reaction of society to defend itself from elements like you, because it our society systematic lies are dangerous. Perhaps, you may consider moving to another society where spreading lies is rewarded. Have you considered moving to Russian Federation? I think you will fit right in.

Why am I saying that you are spreading lies? Because, unlike a few poor misinformed Westerners who support you here, and who don’t have any clue what is going on there, you know that you are lying.

You know that [Ukrainian Prime Minister] Yatsenyuk called Russia-backed militants who are killing Ukrainians “subhumans” and not eastern Ukrainians. On June 15th commemorating fallen soldiers he said : “They lost their lives because they defended men and women, children and the elderly who found themselves in a situation facing a threat to be killed by invaders and sponsored by them inhumans. First, we will commemorate the heroes by wiping out those who killed them and then by cleaning our land from the evil.” He was talking about all these Strelkovs, Givis, Motorolas, Khodakovskys and other lowlifes who kill and torture (including castration) Ukrainian POWs, who live in the apartments of Ukrainians who fled occupied territories, take away people’s property for “the needs of the republic,” and so on and so forth. It is and was crystal clear from the context; I know it, you knew and know it, but you choose to lie. [more on that here – ed.]

You know and knew that there is no and has never been any discrimination against Russians or any other nationality in Ukraine, as well as against Russian language or culture. You know that the Secretary of National Defense of Ukraine’s Council Mr. Turchinov is ethnically Russian, and so is the Minister of Foreign Affairs Mr. Klimkin, you know about the Jewish [oligarch and ex-governor of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast] Mr.Kolomoyskyi, and Tatar Dzemilev, you know that commander of feared “Neo-Nazi” Azov Battalion Biletsky’s first language is Russian, not to mention countless number of Russians, Jews, Tatars, and people of all other nationalities defending Ukraine on the frontlines or helping it from all over the world. You very well knew it, but you choose to lie portraying the situation as a Ukrainian Nazi attack on poor Russians.

You definitely knew how it all started – how without any reason Crimea was occupied by the Russian Army (and you knew, we all knew that it was the regular Russian Army) and the first Ukrainian servicemen were killed, how Russian special forces colonel Strelkov committed a terrorist attack on Sloviansk and captured local security service buildings, how they brutally murdered  the representative of Horlivka’s city council Rybak only for protecting the Ukrainian flag, how the pro-Ukrainian demonstrators in Donetsk were  brutally beaten. You definitely remember how Ukraine begged for peace – how Yatsenyuk went to Donetsk, how they signed the Geneva agreement… Ukraine was doing everything possible to save peace and start a dialog, but you and people like you were only laughing at that time and taking it as a sign of weakness… Again, you knew but you have chosen to lie about it.

SO PEOPLE, Bottom Line: Valentina was punished not for her opinion. She was punished for choosing to spread lies, and she knew every single second that the was doing just that: spreading lies. Thus, her punishment is just and fair. It has nothing to do with her being a musician. If she killed somebody, she would go to jail and it would not matter how good she is or was as a musician. Likewise is here – she decided to be a part of a propaganda war and it backfired. Please write to TSO to support their decision.

For more information about the Valentina Lisitsa scandal, please visit Valentina Lisitsa Performance 

Edited by: Alya Shandra

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  • Dirk Smith

    Racist muscovite. Go perform in Pyongang or Lugansk.

  • Los MariaCarol

    Right now Lisitsa’s enjoying her fifteen minutes of fame….

    • Jack McColley

      She’s an ignorant person who like an uneducated teenager is trying to get attention.
      She should move to Russia, but no, she enjoys the freedoms of the USA and Canada from where she can spout stupid things about Ukraine.

      • Andy Sanders

        exactly if she would state her personal views in Russia and they did not match what the government want she would disappear. Freedom of speech is such a nice thing yet she abuse it to defend a regime that does not abhor to that right of freedom of speech. The sad irony of this probably doesn’t get to her

        • LorCanada

          I expect she is feeling useful as a cog in the Putin propaganda wheel but people with intelligence can easily see through her brainwashed excesses and falseness.

    • LorCanada

      On the contrary I’d consider it as “15 minutes of INFAMY” since she is getting blacklisted in the process. Why does she live in USA at all if she praises Putin’s propaganda? Sounds like a veritable “mole” planted in America to serve Russian KGB purposes.

  • derped

    I’ve read and re-read, I’m wondering how is it that you know, she knows? Because if you are just making the huge distinction between misinformed and complicit based on an, “Oh sure, I know…” moment then you’re discrediting yourself and also being similar, in thought, to the very people who are currently seeing Ukrainians as untermenschen. Most importantly is the credibility issue, in a propaganda battle, such as the one you are engaged in now, it is never enough just to paint the other person with all the terrible characaturish stereotypes. People today, especially with the inet, will see through those thin arguments of posing one against the other then demanding allegiance through shaming.

    A couple questions lingered maybe your next letter will be stronger.

    If she is engaged in covert propaganda as you state, then how is it TSO came upon this information? Shouldn’t she be arrested?

    You’re also saying anyone who lies should be thrown out of the country (or something like that), “Helllllooo, McFly” that is some serious totalitarian point of view.

    You’ve treated this woman as subhuman, as others she ‘apparently’ supports view Ukrainians as subhuman.

    Those were my thoughts on your letter,

    Always searching for Peace

    • Dean Venture

      What a load of crap. Nowhere does the author suggest she should be thrown out of the country, and nowhere does he or she make any suggestion that Lisitsa is subhuman.Read it again; you fail at comprehension.

      The author’s opinion is very clear. When access to the resources required to validate an opinion is trivial, particularly for a Ukrainian speaker, you should be held accountable for your statements. Most will agree, I think.

      • derped

        I’m still trying to understand how the author knows the pianist is lying, why she deserves to lose her job? that is all clarification.

        I understand her opinion clearly, “You got what you deserved and I’m so glad you did.”

        I’m merely wondering how the author knows this pianist is lying and spreading falsehoods, she may I just don’t know.

        Trying to understand. Please don’t get so angry at other opinions, comments, etc. You scare me when you say I should be held accountable for my statements. Where I’m from that means physical violence.

    • Shokolad

      Yours is actually the typical neo nazzi propaganda used by Russia ‘or somthing like that’ brand ..what does that even mean ?

      “You’re also saying anyone who lies should be thrown out of the country (or something like that)” – Did the writer say that or not ? No. Then why cleverly create confusion ?

      ‘Kiev fascists attacking Crimea (or something like that)” – did they attack or not ? No.
      “You have treated this woman as subhuman(or something like that)” – did the author told her subhuman or not ? No.

      “Yatsnyuk called all E Ukrainians as ‘subhumans'(or something like)” – did he or did he not ? Never.

      So basically all this ‘or something like’ type propaganda comes from trolls like you and Valentina. At the end you know very well that there is no something like that..there are only solid facts. And facts clearly points out the opposite of what you say.If you want to write a reply make it clear in your head first.

      • derped

        Wow Neo-Nazi Propoganda??? My goodness that is a first.

        By saying someone ought to lose their job because of her point of view is treating that persons as less than others.

        I just want to know how you guys seem to know she’s lying? That is all.

        Also, dude clarity is needed in your comment.

        • Shokolad

          You still can not say a single word on why you claimed a lot of things as ‘something like that’ which are not written in the article AT ALL.Just like Russian propaganda ‘claims’ a lot but can not prove them with hard facts.
          About Val, she is a typical propagandist who spreads one sided hatred against Ukraine. The fact is EVERY SINGLE of her posts against Ukraine has equal and more horrible Russian example. She does not EVER mention that. Since a country has been annexed and invaded in this war crossing all limits, the ‘liberal’ world has decided to treat these types of losers the same way Russia treats their opposition. Happy ? I think you should. At last ‘West’ is following Russian precedent. LOL

          • derped

            I made no claims. I was questioning the authors claims simply that the author seems to know when the pianist is lying. Engaging in any issue this way is treating your enemy as lower than yourself because you are above lying.

            I just wanted to know how the author could claim to know of the pianists lies? You began to explain it but then changed topic.

            I gather she spreads one-sided hatred against Ukraine. So her posts are unbalanced towards one side. Without any mention of Russian Atrocities. So, just a question (please don’t get mad), with the author of this original article are her posts one-sided, unbalanced, or without any mention of Ukrainian atrocities?

            There are really bad things happening all over Ukraine (world), trying to make people into the enemy on a comment section is a total and complete waste of time. Please educate me, don’t yell at me.

            Keep your emotions out of your dialogue with me and direct it towards deserving people.

          • Shokolad

            There is not much to talk about Valentina to be honest. She has chosen a side and she speaks for them. Which is fine but She has a responsibility towards her nation. Of course there are horrible things happening in Ukraine – of course there are some nazzi militia,of course Ukr govt has killed civilians(much of that is due to aged weapons,no proven sign of hatred against civilians) but the exact same has been perpetrated by Russian militia and govt and exact same nazzi militia exists in Russian forces too. But it is also true that Ukraine crisis is one of the most petty crisis that has been blown out of proportion by stupid politicians. Nothing would have started if there was no invasion.Russia could have taken strong diplomatic actions to put forward their opinions. But they did not. They resorted to armed aggression which brings me to question their intention. Ukraine has been a thorn of Putin for a long time and therefore they just took the chance that west has given him. Valentina is just another cog in this machine of Putin’s malign campaign.it is a war strategy -to be very precise. Putin knows more than anyone that all of this will stop the moment he stops this war.When u look at this broad spectrum,Valentina’s rant becomes totally cheap and shallow.She EVEN twisted the words as in the case of Yatsenyuk’s message, which was despicable propaganda(she calls herself Nedo bcoz of that!!!). About her show being cancelled, again to be fare, it happens in Russia very often(theatre director sacked,exhibition closed) but somehow she got angry when she was treated with that same standard that her Russian brothers are treated..double standard !?

    • LorCanada

      I think you missed the point of the “mistranslation” done, which was that the word “inhuman” was the correct meaning intended, and not the “subhuman”.

      • derped

        thank you for clarification

  • Dalton

    Excellent. Now to multiply this until those who push the lies and allow the war against Ukraine to continue are muted and overwhelmed with truth and justice.

  • Jackbooted

    While all these things may be true and I doubt it….From what I know the violence occurring now is due to US meddling and aggression. So without taking sides I’m going to say you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    • LorCanada

      Hey, it isn’t USA at fault here but IT IS PUTIN/ RUSSIA that is constantly rolling into east Ukraine with guns, tanks, missiles, and mercenaries, all crossing Ukraine’s sovereign border in order to destroy its infrastructure and kill Ukrainian citizens. It is Putin’s henchmen, his “little green men” and freed Russian prisoners who have overrun the eastern area, stealing, looting, threatening anyone who opposes them.
      So I DO take sides with USA and will say you don’t know what you’re talking about.

      • LorCanada

        That’s your opinion, not mine.

        • LorCanada

          Do you support your own Ukrainian government or do you support the ruskie rebels who have invaded east Ukraine to claim its land?

          • LorCanada

            Well, I hope you’ll be happy now in Canada, away from the conflict.

          • LorCanada

            I suggest you read the Budapest memorandum 1994 and see for yourself that several nations, Russia included, signed an agreement to RESPECT THE BORDERS of UKRAINE as a sovereign nation. Putin broke that agreement when he invaded and illegally annexed Crimea which belongs to Ukraine according to International Law.

          • LorCanada

            This might interest you about Crimea:
            Crimea annexed:
            See this explanation by a Ukrainian parliamentarian in March 2014:
            [Mustafa Dzhemilev says]:
            Giving Crimea up to Russia, he said, would be a violation of 1994’s Budapest Agreement in which Russia and Western powers guaranteed Ukraine’s territorial integrity.

            “It would be a great tragedy for all Crimean people – not only for Crimean Tatars but also for ethnic Ukrainians and tens of thousands of ethnic Russians – who do not accept the Russian citizenship.”

            Russia says over 95% of Crimeans voted in favor of joining Russia in a referendum held among the presence of Russian troops, but Dzhemilev said it was hardly a representative vote.

            “The official authorities claim that officially 82% of Crimean population voted; but in fact we do have evidence that only 32.4% of Crimean people voted.”

            He said it was based on data that was “quite accurate.”

            Tatars, who he said represent 14% of the Crimean population, boycotted the vote; Dzhemilev said only 0.5% of Tatars voted.

            Dzhemilev had a chance to plead his case in a conversation with the Russian president himself, Vladimir Putin, before Crimea held its referendum.

            “We had half an hour talk.”

            “I told Mister Putin that we do not accept this planned, forthcoming referendum, because it’s an absurd referendum under an occupational regime, and this regime contradicts some elementary, basic norms.”

            The future of any particular Ukrainian territory cannot be decided locally, he said, without agreement of the rest of the country.

          • LorCanada

            Enjoy your opinions and I will enjoy mine. bye bye …………..

          • LorCanada

            .,m,..

          • Dalton

            Indeed they do, which is why you now live in Canada. People do not have the right to decide they will take the land of one nation and declare it theirs. The USA fought 2 wars for its independence and even after it had to pay its debts and obligations to Great Britain.

          • Dalton

            I will guarantee I’ve been to Ukraine, Russia AND Crimea more than you since 1991. Its truly sad that you cling to ideals of communism for Ukraine while YOU live in a free country. If you liked the soviet lifestyle so much maybe you should move to Donetsk?

          • Dalton

            And in 20 years why is Ukraine still not developed? Latvia has. Lithuania has. What’s the difference? Different paths and Ukraine’s clinging to Russia as its caregiver. You enjoyed being taken care of by the government. Pk so you are communist mentality. DNR would be a good home for you. You can for.ent hatred and live off the welfare of mother Russia. Surely you would give up your comfortable life for that because you aren’t a hypocrite, right?
            And no, your 11 visits doesn’t come close. I’m sure your communist friends will be working hard to take Kharkov and kill Ukrainians soon. Shame on you Elena.

          • Dalton

            I’m not sure what that means since I didn’t spell in Russian language and Харьков is Russian. I’ve only been to Kharkov a dozen times or sovand although I have good friends there I prefer the south.

          • Dalton

            Of course I knew that. I have no reason to lie and its lies I try to expose. I don’t know the name of main park but spent Christmas one year and remember the square with festival and horse carriage rides. And I remember a mall with skating rink inside. I haven’t been there in about 4 years. Ukraine is a special country for me..its people and culture. I never considered them “Russians” and “Ukrainians” because everyone lived friendly together. Putin has changed that and created division. Now I want peace for ukraine and a chance for prosperity and I will defend against propaganda and lies that damage Ukraine’s integrity and serves to harm ukraine every time I see it.

          • Dalton

            You need to learn the difference in ” nationalist” and “Nazi” . they are not the same. Nationalists care patriots who want an independent ukraine, not dominated by Russia. That doesn’t make them Nazis. The power struggle is between the people who want to cling to the past soviet ideas and remain dominated by Russia (like you) and those who want a different future. Its that simple. Because the new path means breakingcaway from Russian dominance, “nazi” and “fascist”was attached to create the divide and drum up support for putinsvactions. The truth is most people who swallow the propaganda label of fascist, don’t even know what it means, otherwise they would recognize Russia as far more fascist than ukraine. There is no “junta” and you are just trolling by usingvthese incendiary propaganda words. Ukraine’s government is legitimate and even you should know Russian government has recognized it as such.

          • Dalton

            Fascism is characterized by a dictator or centralized power. The only examples in and around Ukraine that come closest to this are: Russia, DNR, LNR, Belarus – NOT Ukraine. There is no argument, this is fact.

            Here’s your problem, which is the problem of almost all of you who scream about the Odessa trade union building, you ignore the FACT that there were street battles all the day between Pro-Russian demonstrators and Pro-Ukrainian and that the Pro-Russian mob went into the Union building. They weren’t innocent mothers and children as you want to suggest, and it wasn’t “nazis”. The streets were filled with people of all types. The Communists were also fighting FOR the Pro-Russian side, what do you call that? Stalin killed far more people than Hitler, yet you idolize him. And what about the Pro-Russian mob that raided the police station and let out 69 prisoners who were arrested because of the rioting and the fire? How about you be more truthful in your arguments?
            Ukraine government is absolutely legitimate regardless of what you think, but here’s the thing, you believe the DNR and LNR are legitimate, yet only 20% of the population there voted in their “referendum”!!!! Talk about hypocritical!
            Since you can’t seem to discuss anything without your propagandized brain spewing out inflamatory and derogatory lies, I’m not going to give you further respect enough to respond.
            ANY future for Ukraine that gives Ukrainian people a different path than the Russian controlled corruption and mafia style government that has kept Ukraine from prospering, is better than the same old thing that Russia offers. And wake up! What good has it done to be Russia’s “partner” for all these decades? NONE.
            Ukraine will prosper and will survive, it’s only too bad you will have wasted your life wishing it to die rather than be a part of creating its future.

          • Dalton

            You have a twisted way of seeing things. I never said I approved of any killing, that’s absurd. Just as the continual killing of Ukrainians is now, which I’m sure you don’t agree with do you? I see so everything to you is whatever isn’t good for ukraine. Criminals should be set free, only Ukrainians are guilty of anything because all the land is Russian anyway, and everyone who doesn’t agree with your version of reality is fascist. Did you see the video o posted and can you tell me where the fascist? Which of the little old people being hit with rocks are fascists?? I
            Elena its a pity you are gifted with the life in freedom and prosperity. While condemning others for wanting the same.
            And don’t ever bother posting Russian news propaganda. This is where your brain has been soaked and it seems you deserve it since you choose to be so vile.

          • Dalton

            Anytime you’re ready to talk to real people in ukraine who aren’t in DNR and afraid for their life then let me know

          • Dalton

            Prime-minister and almost all of ministers of ukraine are nazi”

            Elena there comes a point where any reasonably intelligent person discovers the truth about this garbage you can’t seem to stop spitting. Are you one of the trolls in st Petersburg paid to ignore dialogue and just keep parroting lies? I tell you what, let’s do a conference call and connect with your and my friends and clear up the question of Nazis.. Otherwise you are not worthy to continue to dialogue as you offer nothing but death and destruction.

          • Dalton

            And I speak with my closest people there every single day. So get your family and friends ready and we will do a conference call. And have them ready with their pictures and videos of all the Nazis running around. Let me know when you’re readt

          • Dalton

            There’s a saying in America for people who talk but aren’t willing to prove what they say “put up or shut up”… Conference call anytime or better yet you and your friends can meet me when I go to Kiev and they can show me.

            Also tell your friend that Ukrainians are paid in grivna not us dollars. And if he had half the brain you did he would understand that until the communists end the war, how does he expect for the economy to get better? What do you and he believe will happen if ukraine is destroyed? Do you think Putin is going to perform a miracle and make it all better ? Are you really that unable to think clearly? Why not stand together as a nation and fix the problems without thinking death is the only way? You only sow more hatred when you yourself are too stubborn to stand for peace.

            As I said, anytime conference call or meeting and you can prove your propaganda or learn the truth. Put up or shut up.

          • Dalton

            First of all I know Ukraine isn’t communist. The DNR leadership and everyone who wants return to the Soviet Union IS, that includes you. Your inability to think beyond your communist upbringing shows in your words when you act as though everything related to income is the government’s fault. If your friends want the economy to improve they should help bring a peaceful end to the war being waged against the Ukrainian people, and allow the country to develop. Very simple. Once the warmongers stop killing Ukrainians, there will be plenty of investment and jobs in the country.

            “I am Russian”

            You could have saved alot of discussion had you said this first, instead of acting like a misplaced Ukrainian. I hope you have renounced your Ukrainian citizenship since you have no love or concern for Ukraine and have nothing but evil intent for it. This also explains your inability to find anything in Russian media that you disagree with, since to you, everything that Russian government or media says is truth, and everyone else are the ones that are braindead and indoctrinated. It’s the same ideas Putin brainwashes the people with, the world is out to get mother Russia, and russia is perfect, its leader, perfect miracle worker., and you – “useful idiot” who doesn’t ask questions and just believes everything he says… Hail Putin, huh? Your soviet union mentality shows in your complete paranoia for your friend for a simple phone call, suggesting that everyone in Ukraine who speaks freely on skype or telephone is in danger. Maybe that’s true in Russia, but not in Ukraine unless your friend is a terrorist or criminal and planning to kill and attack Ukrainians. and this is just one more thing that Ukrainian people are tired of, fear of government. Otherwise, your twisted bs isn’t even a stupid excuse, it’s a complete idiotic way for you to try to make people believe a bunch of lies about Ukraine. You forget I that I too can pick up a phone and call friends in Kharkov, your friend This is why the younger generation of Ukrainians don’t want your russian world anymore, it only offers the same soviet mentality. What a load of crap. Grow up Elena. Intelligent people around the world are beginning to see the garbage lies and pure twisted propaganda from Putin’s russia. Don’t make the russian people become viewed as warmongering zombies by not being willing to challenge your russian leader’s presentation of truth when you know its a lie. There’s honor in people who recognize the failings of those who lead them, and of themselves, don’t be so arrogant to think you or your beloved Putin can do no wrong because he already has and continues to do so with lies about Ukraine and a war against its nation.

            There’s a very simple way for you to not receive my “emails” or have to read my posts. Stop reading them. Better yet, stop with your propaganda lies and BS from Putinville, and you won’t have to deal with my challenging your integrity every time.

          • Dalton

            Laughing. Seriously, Laughing. “Good bye” my Soviet друг

          • Dalton

            Your friend is ridiculous. I have friends all over Ukraine, none of them are afraid to talk about anything political. Maybe your friend talks about how much she wants Ukraine to be destroyed, you think?
            You lived in Ukraine 20 years ago, and today you want Ukraine to fall, you are hardly credible to be objective or believable when it comes to Ukraine.

          • Dalton

            You are uninformed. The takeover of Donbass was planned long before the Maidan.
            You need to refresh yourself with recent history. Troops were sent to donbass because Russian agents and militants had seized administration and government buildings and had killed police and citizens were being threatened.
            Russia wants a dependent neighbor and has hardly been friendly. All of the former soviet states are afraid of russia now. And you don’t sees this as a clue ?
            Elena, I’m done here. Your ideas have no intention of sowing peace. You like so many others want only defeat and capitulation of ukraine to russia no matter the people. Hopefully there can be found a bridge to peace that doesn’t include war. Unfortunately those you think are peaceful (DNR) have already said they will take mariupol. I don’t recall them asking.

          • Dalton

            You never were Ukrainian. You are a greedy death supporting thug who believes in the taking of life and land to suit you. A good little communist. Ukraine will survive the death and hatred unleashed by people like you. Guaranteed.

          • Dalton

            Now you say there are no Russian troops in ukraine and never were. Do you people just tell yourselves lies over and again thinking it will make it true? There is no argument of whether or not there is, it is indisputable and proven and admitted too already. This one thing makes you one of two things: a flagrant LIAR, or a deluded ignorant useful idiot for Putin. Which are you?

          • Dalton

            ROFLMAO.. you tell me to “Stop Lying” and then post a story by RT? Are you kidding?????????????????????????????????
            Tell me, does a RUssian General count as as a Russian “troop”?
            How about “little green men”?
            How about special operations personnel that have been video taped after their capture?
            You think that just because they say they are “on vacation” that it means they don’t count as being there?
            All of those tanks and artillery pieces aren’t there either, they are part of the ghost brigade you and your delusional fools created.

          • Dalton

            “You are not only idiot, you are not a man if you can say such a thing to lady. ”

            Well my dear I didn’t say it to you. I asked you which you were. It matters to me that people spread Putin propaganda that hurts Ukraine and aids in its destruction. It matters to me when people repeat lies that blur the truth to the people in the world that have little understanding or knowledge about Ukraine or Russia, and I don’t say things lightly, nor without confirmed and re-confirmed evidence of fact, good or bad. Kiev’s government is in an uphill battle to pull Ukraine from the brink. It isn’t perfect, but the reason I believe in Ukraine and in the sincerity of its leaders to do what’s best for Ukraine and its people is simple- the maidan. The thing that you see as some “nazi” coup, is actually the thing that gives the Ukrainian people strength because in the revolution, the PEOPLE have discovered, and have shown the politicians that THEY have had enough and there MUST be change for the good of the people and the nation, or the very lives of those in power are at risk. In a strange way, the Ukrainian people have done what Americans have always said was their final power over government if it ever came to it.

          • Dalton

            I don’t recall mentioning anything about Americas political system. If you knew anything about our bill of rights you would know my reference. Unfortunately I’m not taking the time to explain. Suffice to say the maidan was an act of risking lives so Ukraine could change and become free from corruption and dependency with new ideas for the future…it was more symbolic than Americas Boston tea party. Ukraine Ian’s should embrace the changes and prepare for the future and walk together in unity for prosperity..not fight so some communists can cling to dependency and the past.

          • Dalton

            Your husband is welcome to join a conference call as well

          • Dalton

            Seriously Elena? You show a video from an unverified source from a guy who hates Ukraine and because it says its a video of Azov, you believe it? Do you not understand what Propaganda is? How do you think this guy got such a video? Has it been shown on news anywhere? There would be some identification possibilities of one or more of the men to the intelligence services of Russia and the US at the very least, that could have led human rights organizations to pursue them don’t you think if such a war crime were committed? American media who don’t like Ukraine’s government would have a wonderful time playing this for the American public, IF IT WERE REAL AND COULD BE CONFIRMED. As it stands, it isn’t even evidence that the guy was actually killed or harmed since the video was ended quickly and since the evidence suggests otherwise… His legs were flailing around before they raised him, then suddenly when the fire starts he’s completely still.. not likely. Why no blood from the hands? If it is real, how do you know it isn’t Russian thugs or DNR terrorists staging this to LOOK like it was committed by Azov? Why no identification of the person supposedly killed? This is an example of why I can easily say you are propaganda tool, you believe everything that you see or hear or read when it supports your prejudiced ideas. Anything that is against Ukraine, you believe. Anything that denounces the West or the US, you believe. Anything from Russian media or news sources, you believe.

            Before you call me names again telling me how stuid I am, tell me ONE thing that you don’t believe that has been told by Putin and Russian media. Just one thing that they say is true, but you don’t believe.

            As for the implication that because you believe Azov is bad, that all of Ukraine must pay, makes me believe you to be evil. You aren’t are you?
            What would you say about Aidar battalion of the DNR? What about “Motorola” who admitted to war crimes?
            I believe, as do most honorable and judicial people, that people who commit atrocities should be brought to justice, whether they are Ukrainian or Russian or American or whatever. Wrong is wrong, but you don’t destroy a nation because a few bad people, and you don’t judge an entire culture because of a few. Do you agree or not?

          • Guest

            And Aidar atrocity- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHj6wXvLIYc

            You would agree it’s just as horrific? Now how would I know this is actually true? I wouldn’t anymore than you do the video you posted.

          • Dalton

            Start at about 7 minutes and tell me please where are the fascists? Who is it that are throwing the stones at the old couple who lived peacefully in Donetsk until this? Are they nazis too? Fascists? SHame on you for being blinded by hate-filled propaganda that turns you against your own nation.

          • Dalton

            As I knew of course, your entire understanding comes from propaganda RT and no doubt other Russian controlled media
            Do you really think that’s news to us? Nemtsov would have told you how wrong you are but he can’t know can he because he was assassinated right around the corner from the FSB offices. How convenient. I doubt your claim about anyone being hung but if they did then the murderer should be arrested and brought to justice. Not to destroy an entire country.

          • Dalton

            Here are your heros.
            confessed war criminal.. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/10/russian-fighter-ukraine-motorola
            “Peaceful Russians” https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=30&v=ffYW3nlBwZk

            Yeah ELena, there are criminals everywhere. In civilized countries, they are arrested when found. In YOUR idea of civilized society, they become the reason for the entire nation to be destroyed.
            27 people were killed in Mariupol by the russian backed thugs who fired grads in January. Do you want to compare the two incidents?
            No one was punished for this either were they? ANy arrests by the good people of DNR?
            Anytime you’re ready for that call I’d be happy to prove you wrong about the “nazis”

          • Dalton

            Just for you-

    • Dalton

      Then you really don’t know much. How many m1 Abrams or hellfire missiles are responsible for a death in Ukraine? How many US missiles have destroyed Ukrainians homes and killed Ukrainians, or russian z in Ukraine for that matter? How much land has the US taken or annexed or destroyed in Ukraine? If you need some help with the answers start at zero and count backwards. This is a war that was planned and coordinated by Putin and it has been admitted by his agents.

      • Dalton

        LOL okay tootsie.. good thing it didn’t destroy it before giving you the internet which you use to make your point.

        • Dalton

          “it’s bad to live without a brain”.. I’m sorry that you do, my heart goes out to you.

          • Dalton

            How thoughtful of you. My birthday is coming up, how about a mercedes slk instead? White with tan interior will be fine.

          • Dalton

            you can be my chauffeur?

  • Kill Poroshenko

    Piece of shit press for idiots

    • Dalton

      And there’s any wonder why there’s a war against Ukraine with people like you in the world.

  • Dalton

    Why is it semi intelligent people still can’t get a clue about the Nazi garbage? What planet are you from that you haven’t learned by now that the Nazi crap is just that, crap propaganda? You haven’t a clue about Ukraine.

    • Dalton

      Yeah that must be it, I’m “semi” intelligent. So hotshot, how about you call one of the many Ukrainians you know and ask them about how many nazis there are running things there? How about you show one single piece of evidence that isn’t manufactured by the kremlin of the so-called “nazis” in Ukraine? How about you explain how one of the most powerful men in Ukraine is a Jew, and how it happens he is allowed to live and become wealthy in this ‘nazi” land? Your dumb ass watched RT last year and see the same images from over a year ago broadcast as if it were happening all over Ukraine because either you are completely brain dead, or a willing accomplice for Putin’s war against Ukrainian people. Which is it? And no, you have no clue about Ukraine, and I don’t have to think about that to know it. If you think Nazis are marching the streets of Ukrainian cities then surely there are plenty of videos from concerned Ukrainian people who would live in fear from such a sight, right? How about showing one. We’ll wait.

      • Dalton

        You show me a video from a year ago in a time when there was complete turmoil in Kiev, and think that depicts the reality in Ukraine? You’ve never been to Ukraine have you? Don’t know anyone there do you? Never talk to a Ukrainian?
        Then you show me a video that creates the narrative by claiming support for neo-nazis while showing the Azov battalion. Again a boogeyman scapegoat. The producer of the video has no more knowledge of Ukraine, contact with, or experience in, than you do, and yet you suck down his version of truth that HE gleaned from RT.
        Here’s an idea for you- use google, search for local UKRAINIAN news sites, from different cities, they will be in Ukrainian or Russian but you can use google chrome and auto translate. Go to the sources, the people who live there, and get the news from Ukraine, not from Russia, who’s president has an objective. Or you can do like me and talk to people there every single day, spend years there and get to know the people and the culture, and then get a clue. Either way, you will be exercising your brain instead of your mouth and if you have ANY intellectual honesty (look it up if you don’t know what that means) you will begin to understand some simple truths of how misguided you are.

        • Dalton

          Then you shouldn’t need to use the translator.

          Sorry for your wife’s loss… But the truth is had Putin not started the war in Donbass, her family would likely still be alive. She should know exactly what it must be like when Russian mercenaries and “volunteers” missiles and shells, tear through the homes or walls of Ukrainian homes and buildings as they try to conquer more land.

          I’m all for UN peacekeepers to maintain the separation and let the sides go their seperate ways, what about you?

          http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/03/14/fascism-exploited-and-distorted-in-putins-russia-for-propagandas-sake/

          God bless your wife, you can go F yourself.

          • Dalton

            The story was well documented, however as is always the case, people like you will dismiss anything that disrupts your RT version of truth, as propaganda, while you cover yourself in pure propaganda from the very country whose leader has a destructive agenda in Ukraine. Your comment shows you are on the very site you describe as trashpaper.. you are nothing but a troll, looking to spit your hatefilled garbage anywhere you can.
            As for the shelling, and the Minsk agreement, you’ve got to be joking since the leaders of DPR have already denounced them. And I doubt the OSCE would agree with you which reports attacks by Russian proxies every day. In fact, the Russian side has forbidden them access to most of their territory which in itself is a violation of Minsk. The attack on Debaltseve was a violation of Minsk, only a few days after it was signed. The DPR leader has already announced his plans to take Mariupol, a violation of Minsk.
            Stalin was an ally in WW2. I have no doubt that his propaganda was used in the creation of the film, but I’ll watch it and will look at Russian propaganda from that time and decide for myself. See how that’s done? Research beyond the headlines Max.
            Ukraine was the attacked, it is the defender.

          • Dalton

            I’m able to DEDUCE some things as I explained in the post. Unfortunately it seems you aren’t.
            Everything you said parrots Russian propaganda that can be found throughout russian state media. I didn’t claim you cited anything, it isn’t necessary for you to cite anything for it to be recognized.
            Euromaidan press is but one of many sources of information that give better insight into Russian objectives, propaganda and truth in Ukraine, all of which are preferred to Putin’s state run media which are all designed with destructive intent, as are your posts.
            You can call me whatever you want, the truth speaks for itself. You are commenting on a website you have openly accused of being garbage, for no other purpose than to start arguments and challenge the integrity of the source, as well as the intelligence of its readers. You are by definition a troll.
            FYI I’m hardly anti-Russian, I have many close people in Russia. What I am anti, is Putin and his policy and actions which bring death and destruction on a once peaceful people and nation.

          • Dalton

            I’m wishing good to the people of Ukraine, and for those who oppose a brutal thug who has destroyed, killed and taken the nation, people and land of Ukraine, for his personal goal of a Novorossiya. If you think for a moment that Russian government controlled media is in any way more truthful about the events in Ukraine than local Ukrainian news sites, then you’re simply deluded. And again, the very fact you continue to posit arguments against Ukraine and this specific site, while bringing your a*s to it, shows you are in fact a troll. I bet you even have a bridge you hang out under waiting for passerbys, don’t you?

          • LorCanada

            For your information when President Poroshenko was voted in by the Ukrainian people as the new leader on May 25, 2014, he won by some 54% or so. Noticeably, the Nazis only got 2% of the vote at the time, so what does that tell you? It means Nazis have no place in Ukraine government.

          • LorCanada

            So you don’t like President Poroshenko? Too bad. Get used to it, laddie, he is there for the time being and life goes on. Perhaps you preferred the miserable and corrupt mole called Yanukovych? He is Putin’s puppet, you know.
            “Or so” really meant President Poroshenko won with a win of 54% or 52%, that’s all. Putin himself accepted the results of the election so I doubt you will question his decision. There were hundreds of International Monitors who took part in supervising the voting process to make sure it was done right. Canada sent about 200 monitors, I recall, and or course many other nations contributed their time and efforts.

          • LorCanada

            I am Canadian, lived here all my life. I like it here. It’s foolish of you to regard my country as disgusting because we have the best scenery in the world where I live west of the Rockies. Enjoy your warped political views of other nations if it makes you happy.

          • LorCanada

            Fascist Putin has his string of puppets too in Moscow. Why not take a look in that direction to get a complete picture.

          • LorCanada

            I do not read French, you are mistaken again.
            Why not let Harper die, or “expire” on the October 2015 date? I see no reason to pick him to pieces if his time is running out, you know, why bother with him as he will be yesterday’s news soon enough.

          • LorCanada

            Canada has over a million Ukrainian descendants, a population mainly in Manitoba, I believe. So there is a fairly strong interest as you can see.

          • LorCanada

            So what’s the problem? Canada is creating trade ties with Ukraine I’ve heard weeks ago.
            Do be cautious about population distribution these days since over a million Ukrainian refugees have ended up in Russia and many are not too happy about that.
            Meanwhile Russia continues its “ethnic cleansing” of Crimea and is harassing the Tatars, Ukrainians, and even Catholics, all minority groups, unfortunately. The situation is complicated so check out euromaidanpress for the details.

          • LorCanada

            Look, I’m not going to vote for Stephen Harper this coming October 2015, not quite decided yet on just who. I prefer to let the “play be played out” and Harper’s time will be up soon enough.
            Did you know Fascist Putin had his navy ships come and park nearby during the G20 Summit in Australia? I suppose he was attempting to spy on the proceedings as well. Anyways, he left early to return home after being given the cold shoulder by the other members, as you probably know.

          • LorCanada

            And do you think Russia is a safe country from spies? LOL. Tell me about it.

          • LorCanada

            Ok, I hadn’t read about that.

          • LorCanada

            Enjoy your opinions and I will enjoy mine. bye bye ………………….

          • Dalton

            Where exactly are you from Max? You think the US installs puppets all over the world as if no other people have their own choice and own will. You see everything in black and white just as your conspiracy blogs and russian media gurus lay it out for you. Everyone is nothing but a controlled puppet and the US pulls all the strings. Do you have any idea how absurd that is? You believe it isn’t possible that the Ukrainian PEOPLE actually wanted change in their country and when they couldn’t affect it politically, they risked their lives for their future, to change the country and have a chance at freedom from their past and present corrupt leaders and ideas. This is why you are so easily identified as a manipulated propaganda soaked irritant, who has nothing positive to offer the future of a nation and a people trying to seek a better future than what has been their legacy as a russian slave state. Is Latvia a US puppet? Lithuania? They have done pretty well with their decision to separate from the “russian world”, why can’t Ukraine without being presented as a “puppet” All of your comments are tiresome. They are the same old drivel offered by the NWO, end of the world, US is evil, blah blah blahers.. and none of it matters to Ukrainians who are being killed and their homes and lives destroyed for the twisted plans of a novorossiya that was planned long ago by a man who doesn’t even think Ukraine is anything more than Russian territory.

          • Dalton

            ROFLMAO.. you are seriously an irritant.
            So now you are saying the US picked and put him in service under Yanukovich? So the US must have “picked” Yanukovich too huh?
            LOL You aren’t only an irritant, you are DELUSIONAL.

            “I live you and this site in piece.” You evidently need practice in English but I tried to help you correct the sentence, so now ….

            JUST GO AWAY

          • Dalton

            Truth is never an irritant for those who seek it. When you start, let me know.

          • Dalton

            “I found it long ago.”

            Your repeated use of proven lies and mischaracterizations when describing the Ukrainian people, shows that either you did and intentionally parrot the lies to damage Ukraine, or haven’t yet have no interest in seeking it if it is anything different from the stream of propaganda you inhale, all the while proving time and again my observation of your character.

          • Dalton

            LOLOL you and your wannabe intelligence agent 007 character sharing wikileaks cables and making presumptions based on your vast knowledge of diplomacy and government. What a joke. So you think that the reference to “insider” means he’s a secret American spy or some stooge for Uncle Sam? It’s almost comical that you have all the secrets of America figured out because you found a cable that discusses a politician who communicates with diplomats and government officials of the most powerful nation in the world as if he was some deep plant. Get a life. You suck down the propaganda presentation of anything that supports your reality, and have no ability to put into context. Just like the Nuland tape which I have no doubt your take, because you’re a parrot for RT. Nevermind researching beyond the propaganda because it answers all your questions and keeps your version of reality in check. This is why you are a USEFUL IDIOT.
            How do you think governments develop threat assessments and policy for countries if not to talk to people in positions that can give insight? I bet you think it’s only Uncle Sam that has “Insiders” who gave assessments of Ukrainian politics huh? Only the US that tried to ascertain the political situation and economic impact, along with all other effects various political structures would have on the regional security picture or economic landscape, right? Yep. Smart guy you are.

            Yanukovich was hardly weak and soft, he was doing just as he was supposed to do for Russia. And if you think that Russia allowed the CIA to “stage” the maidan, then you’re not delusional, you’re just the epitomy of someone represents the effectiveness of propaganda. Completely brainwashed. Did you know that most of the SBU were in fact also FSB? Did you know that the number of Russian agents and sympathizers in Ukrainian government numbered in the 10s of thousands? All of this and the mighty US managed to make them all look incompetent and stupid, right?

            I’m about done with you Max. If i want to hear the garbage you spew, I can tune into RT and not have to think of your poor wife who has to live with you.

            So tell me Maxipad, what would you suggest to bring peace to Ukraine? What would your “solution” be for Ukraine?

          • Dalton

            Now THAT was a creative use of your fingers and such a display of your vitriole and combativeness. I’m impressed you are able to string together such a response while drooling on your keyboard in anger. Thanks for the laugh!

          • Dalton

            “So I leave you. You and your scaremongering vomit site …”
            Excellent! Hopefully for real this time.

          • Dalton

            And again you can’t seem to write without propaganda laced words, intended to sow discord with such terms as “nazi thugs.” Your “nazi” garbage has been proven to be false and a fiction created by Putin to everyone except those who choose to remain ignorant. I called those who continue to spew the lies and propaganda or who refuse to use the same amount of energy to research the truth as they do to follow the lies- “semi intelligent” and in some cases that’s giving more benefit of the doubt than deserved.

            For someone who began your discussions here riding on provocative propaganda laced name calling, sharing a video from a “Russian traditionalist with ultra-conservative worldviews.” whose “likes” include the USSR and “Novorossiya,” and you actually believe you have credibility in NOT being considered a troll? Perhaps if you actually tried to have sensible discussions without prejudiced perspectives from the outset, you may be surprised, however I suspect your preference is instead- confrontation and “conquest” instead of peace, Regardless, I hope your last sentence was meant to read “I leave you and this site in peace” in which case I for one say THANK YOU.

          • Dalton

            The only thing that matters to me about Putin is that he has engineered and executed a plan to kill, destroy and take parts of Ukraine and thru his propaganda campaign and network of willing accomplices or useful idiots, fomented a hatred between Russian people toward Ukrainians that may never heal.
            I thought you were leaving? You’re as bad as Putin at keeping his word.

          • Dalton

            What part of that don’t you understand? If Putin weren’t destroying ukraine , killing Ukrainians and taking their land then we wouldn’t be discussing him. GET IT?

          • Dalton

            No, propaganda boy, the war began when Russian agents and provateurs with locals, stormed and seized government buildings and police stations , took weapons and took control of administration buildings, TV and radio stations. That is what preceded the sending of troops. What’s the matter? Your talking points didn’t cover those little facts? Tell me, have you not read the confessions of the russian leaders not made it thru your naziphobic filter?

          • Dalton

            You just can’t help yourself from confirming my

          • Dalton

            “How convenient! You haven’t seen it, you know nothing about it, you are still to “watch it”, but you already “have no doubt” that it is Stalinist propaganda! Isn’t it called a biased approach, dude?”

            Do you mean compared to your unbiased “Utter bullshit! .. ” comment whereby you completely misconstrued or failed to grasp the reference, so just dismissed it as garbage as you so quickly state for all the site?

            FYI, someone who feeds off Russian propaganda for what he believes is truth, hardly has credibility to speak out on propaganda. I would suggest you revisit the story and ask your wife or dog (both of which are no doubt smarter than you) what the author meant by Stalin propaganda (could it be the mischaracterization of “Russia” as depicted in the propaganda film based on the reality of who and what Stalin was?) and which was partially at least based on information provided by Stalin’s government? Or do you know for sure it wasn’t, being all knowing as you are?

          • LorCanada

            To: Max — Are you suggesting that the Russian soldiers are obeying Minsk2 and just sitting idly by twiddling their thumbs and NEVER EVER firing their missiles at Ukrainian soldiers? And why is the latest news that Ukrainian soldiers are still being killed and wounded?

          • LorCanada

            There’s no point denying Russian soldiers are supervising much of the fighting going on in east Ukraine. There is such a mish-mash of fighters who are duped into crossing the border into Ukraine — you should read up on the Russian mothers who want to know what has happened to their soldier sons because Putin denies, denies, denies he is sending his soldiers to fight against Ukrainians.
            As to the locals in east Ukraine, most are more interested in PEACE and in their pensions, not in dying for Putin’s ambitions.
            I don’t have a husband, so you are mistaken, again.

      • Dalton

        You really should learn the difference in ” Nazi” and “nationalist”. When you do , you can then teach me more about the country you know nothing about

      • Dalton

        Nazis died with the 3rd Reich. Nazis believed in purity of society and hated jews so much they exterminated them. Nationalists are not “nazis” but I wait for your evidence of how they are running Ukraine as suggested. Also you do know there are 10 times more neo-nazis, and not just nationalists, in Russia, right? You do know that Russian neo-nazis have been fighting against Ukraine for DNR, right?

        • Dalton

          “During last 3 days 3 people dead in ukraine/ They were gun down by nazi and it was government order.”

          Wow and you have proof of this? You should work for the security services so you can help arrest the perpetrators. Then you should speak with Putin about who killed Nemtsov.

          • LorCanada

            Nemtsov was a strong critic of Putin and was going to expose Putin’s deceit regarding Ukraine. Of course those who supported Putin would be angered by Nemtsov’s actions and it has ended in his being murdered. Horrible Kremlin event. How much did Putin’s hand have in this ruthless crime?

          • LorCanada

            After Nemtsov was murdered in cold blood the crowds came out to demonstrate that weekend showing their support for Nemtsov and his cause. Nemtsov opposed Putin’s regime and was going to expose his deceptive, true involvement in Ukraine. No, there was no question of an election but it is still obvious that opponents to Putin are dealt with by his thugs in a despicable way. What does that say about Russia’s leader?

          • LorCanada

            I was not speaking of elections when I spoke of Nemtsov who strongly criticized Putin’s agendas. Nemtsov was an outspoken critic of Putin.
            The popularity chart is not the true measure of a man. History shows us who is.
            Hitler was very popular with the crowds but did that make him a great man? No, it did not and eventually he came to a very tragic end.
            Abraham Lincoln was very much criticized during his presidency and was even shot by a fanatic. Lincoln’s popularity was low but history has shown that he was one of the greatest presidents in America.

      • LorCanada

        And there are plenty of Neo Nazis in Russia, see:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#Russia

        On August 15, 2007, Russian authorities arrested a student for allegedly posting a video on the Internet which appears to show two migrant workers being beheaded in front of a red and black swastika flag.[79] Alexander Verkhovsky, the head of a Moscow-based center that monitors hate crime in Russia, said, “It looks like this is the real thing. The killing is genuine … There are similar videos from the Chechen war. But this is the first time the killing appears to have been done intentionally.”[80] A Russian neo-Nazi group called the Russian National Socialist Party claimed responsibility for the murders.

        • LorCanada

          There is plenty of guilt to pass around to both sides.

          • LorCanada

            I have no wish to argue since you are free to believe whatever you wish to and I can do the same, no problem. Of course I do not have an overall view of the situation but I do have a general idea and world leaders have condemned Putin’s waywardness, his ambitions, his stealing of Crimea which is against International Law. No nation has the right to unilaterally change the borders of other nations. It’s called THE RULE OF LAW. Does Putin know what it means?

          • Dalton

            So by your standard, Siberia also has this right to vote for self determination too, right? Why is it that Putin has denied this “right” which you want for everyone else but not for any region part of Russian Federation?

            Putin lied about Crimea, yet most of the Russian people ignore the fact he is a proven liar. It’s almost as if those people who support him regardless of what he does, are braindead zombies that just need to worship someone as if he is your god.

            The original Crimeans (Tatars) overwhelmingly support Ukraine and wanted to remain with Ukraine, they are now being moved out of Crimea as Putin “Russifies” Crimea.

            One way to address Putin’s threat of “protecting russian speakers” in other countries when he wants to take one, would be just to limit or eliminate Russian’s ability to stay more than a predetermined time in countries that want to reduce their risk. No more extended visas, and after a month,,, bye bye

          • Dalton

            Check Russian news, dear, the effort to organize a referendum was blocked.

            Its an absolute fact that Putin lied about Crimea. Out of his own mouth. How do you not hear of this? Regarding referendum, just because someone lives in a place does not give them the right to vote. This is for citizens only. The referendum was illegal because it was not authorized by the Ukrainian people. This is a matter of international law and conceptually- contract law and not the appropriate forum to teach.

          • Dalton

            “Little green men” to start. Check his admission in the recent documentary on the Crimean annex anniversary to get further proof. The referendum was illegal. Period. This is why the UN and nations aroundcthe world ( not just western nations) haven’t recognized it as legal.

          • Dalton

            The lie was that Putin stated the little green men were not Russian soldiers. The lie was that the referendum was spontaneous. Check the law. What about Bricks and China? Research beyond RT before trying to talk about others being indoctrinated. Truth stands on its own.

            Kosovo has nothing to do with Ukraine except now Russia is dangerously close to turning it into a genocide with the hatred being fomented toward Ukrainians and DNR being cast as Russians. NATO has nothing to do with Ukraine despite you propaganda soaked thoughts. If the Russian backed effort to destroy and take more Ukrainian land continues, that may change.
            What is truly disgusting is how you could with the horror that is happening to the people of Ukraine just so you can see it returned to the soviet ideal. You love the idea of freedom to choose when youvthink it suits you. You argue about referendums and choice for Crimea and donbass but refuse that same choice to the Ukrainian people who as a nation have chosen their path by majority. They no longer want to be Russian ruled and held in soviet ideology. How about you respect that and make peace instead of foment war and death? You should be ashamed of yourself to be so hateful to the people of the land you say you are from, who want only a chance to progress and build a better life for their children and the nations future.

        • Dalton

          You imbecile. You quote globalresearch as if it were credible.

          “Right Sector is a far-right Ukrainian nationalist political party.” SO WHAT?

          Have you ever actually heard Yarosh interviewed? Or do you just assume that he is the nazi you have heard he is? Nevermind, I know the answer. You are incapable of actually researching beyond your outlets of reality so of course you never actually sought out confirmation of the claims. You should look for Lenta.ru interview with Yarosh. “Right Sector is a far-right Ukrainian nationalist political party. The staff was fired after it was published because it didn’t portray him as was desired. Nevermind it was an interview and factual.

          And of course you don’t mind that Pavel Gubarev, one of the original leaders of the DNR was in fact himself a NEO NAZI. That doesn’t count because he doesn’t fit the narrative you continually repeat huh?

          Why is it that you ignore the evidence that the donbass situation was planned long before the maidan and had nothing to do with “nazis”

    • LorCanada

      Oh, of course,… and there are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine, eh? Only idiots will believe such nonsense.

      • LorCanada

        If you don’t like what I post then MOVE ON – get a life! – and find more compatible posts elsewhere. Meanwhile you are free to state your opinion and I am also free to state my thoughts. …. bye bye

  • Jackbooted

    The US spent 5 billion dollars promoting the overthrow of government in the Ukrain and now the war. Just as the US invaded Iraq under false pretenses and is responsible for the death of over a million people there. They’ve made millions more homeless throughout the Middle East. Washington’s goal of ruling the world won’t stop with the Ukraine.

    • LorCanada

      Putin has made 1.3 million Ukrainians homeless refugees thus far by his ambitious war plans for expansionism that drove the people out of their homes to avoid being killed by shelling, etc. Putin is also responsible for 6,000 deaths in east Ukraine.