Goebbels would be in awe of Russian journalism

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2014/07/13 • Analysis & Opinion

Three weeks ago the Russian news organization REN TV published a story about how the Ukrainian national guard supposedly obliterated an entire village of 100 people; raping the women, killing all young and old alike. The only problem: there’s no proof, there’s no witnesses, there’s no photographs, there’s no footage. The only person that they had to testify for this was a representative of the Donetsk Republic terrorist organization. Furthermore, according to locals the village contained no more than 20 people, all of whom were confirmed alive after the report was made.

Here is that report:

The Russian news outlet 1TV also recently did a story where according to one woman National Guard soldiers supposedly crucified a 3 year old boy on a board, “like Jesus,” in the middle of town. They then, allegedly, tied his mother to the back of a tank and dragged her around the central square for three kilometers with the entire town watching. You’ll have to take her word for it though, because although supposedly the entire town watched, nobody decided to take a picture or even testify.

Here is that report:

 

 

 

 

 

Joseph Goebbels would be in awe of Russian journalism.

By Artem Biyun
Edited by Mat Babiak

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  • http://rupertbu.blogspot.com/ Rupert Neil Bumfrey

    However justified is your cause, your total lack of professionalism is starkly thrown into focus when compared with the impact of Russian propaganda.

    The reference to Goebbbels is distasteful and allied with the addition of St Georges ribbon adds to the innumerable failings of your own propaganda activity.

    • Mat

      Invented stories of massacres, crucifications, and public torture are distasteful. Given the context, I’d say the Goebbels analogy is apt. I don’t see your issue with the ribbon at all though, given its association with terrorism, human rights abuse, and assaults on free speech.

      • http://rupertbu.blogspot.com/ Rupert Neil Bumfrey

        I wrote about the impact, not the content, both sides are engaged in a propaganda campaign, which Russia is definitely winning.

        I refer you to this reasonably researched piece carried by The Washington Post with regards the history of the ribbon: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/05/05/this-is-the-ribbon-that-ukrainian-nationalists-want-outlawed/

        • Mat

          I understand the ribbon’s history (imperialist war medal, then Soviet war medal), but I’ve always got to cringe when journalists dip into sensationalism to make a convoluted point (UPA “collaborating”, a slur that never was with Mila Kunis, etc.).

          The ribbon has now taken non a whole different meaning in 2014 than its historical symbolism. Its a symbol used by virtually all terrorist organizations / militant groups (Donbass People’s Militia, Patriotic Forces / Vostok Battalion, Ukrainian Front) in the ongoing war.

          What is the reason it can’t be used in the above context? Its an opinion piece and the image reflects the article content.

    • dimitri visser

      There is nothing wrong comparing the acts of Russia and Putin with the Nazi regime in Germany. If you know anything about history, and if you have read Hitler’s book Mein Kampf you can see many similarities between their acts and way of reasoning. It almost looks like Putin is inspired by Hitler.

      • http://rupertbu.blogspot.com/ Rupert Neil Bumfrey

        Well having spent considerable time as a resident in former Soviet nations, including Ukraine, Azerbaijan, I believe there are more shared points of view across the region, which I would term as extreme, than the citizens of EU are aware of, and it is the impact of Russian propaganda which is far more effective.

        Putin’s behaviour is standard for all autocrats, he brooks no opposition, let alone alternative opinions.

    • Artem Biyun

      this was actually meant to just be a facebook post, it got put up here without me realizing

    • Brent

      But you’re okay with Russian state controlled media repeatedly referring to a “coup” in Kiev created by a “military junta” and the country being run by “neo-Nazi’s”? Is that the professionalism you endorse? Fiction?

      After the airliner was shot down on Thursday, Russian media was in full spin mode declaring fiction like “Ukrainian jet fighter trailing the plane”, “mistaking it for the plane carrying Putin” back from South America”….Is that the professionalism you endorse?

      The Russians and their proxies in Eastern Ukraine have taken the St. George’s ribbon that was meant to as a symbol of honor for those who fought bravely and now it has been hijacked by a bunch of terrorists, kidnappers, liars, thugs who are treating the locals in Eastern Ukraine as commodities to be bargained for. They are the ones who have desecrated this once honorable Russian symbol, much like the Nazi’s desecrated the swastika from a good luck symbol to one of butchery.

      It’s somewhat of hypocritical for you to whine about the a news story and photo shopped picture being distasteful when the Russian fascists hijacking this once honored symbol will forever be etched in the rest of the world’s mind as the symbol of the terrorists who killed 298 innocent citizens in the air, and many more on the ground. You probably also would complain about Putin’s secretly awarding his best 300 “propagandists” for their objective reporting of the Crimea invasion as the “Golden Goebbels Awards” too…

  • dimitri visser

    It is a shame that people calling themself journalists are in fact part of Putlers propaganda machine. These “journalists” are as responsible for the deaths of the people in east Ukraine as the Putler paid terrorists.

  • Per Christian LUND

    Actually it is a very distinct headline. Putin is a great admirer of Goebbels..
    He has recently expressed ,recognized and endorsed Goebbels thesis:Thus a lie enough often repeated , it becomes more convincing than the most truthfull truth.

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  • Drohomir

    & I’ve noticed that elsewhere on this website Matthew Babiak has deleted Tom’s post showing photographs of the massacres carried out by Ukrainians on the Polish people during World War II. I therefore strongly encourage everyone to do a Google search for:

    Volyn massacre

    Massacres of Poles in Volhynia

    Ukrainian ethnic cleansing

    … so that they can see for themselves how sadistic and disturbing those genocidal campaigns carried out by the Bandera people really were.

    Deleting readers’ posts won’t solve the problem. Think of the shame and the anger young Ukrainians are going to feel when they finally discover that — from the relative safety of Canada — the children of those Ukrainians who gladly collaborated with Hitler in his plans to exterminate whole nations have deceived them into thinking that the Bandera people were heroes!

    Can’t you see that this kind of propaganda is no different from that of Putin’s Russia?

    150 000 isn’t quite on the scale of the Rwandan genocide of 1994, but genocide it most certainly was. In German-occupied Poland Ukrainian forces carried out a mass slaughter of Polish villagers who posed no military threat and whose only crime was that they were not ethnic Ukrainians.

    The slaughter was as horrifying as it was methodical. No one was spared. Ukrainian men with Polish wives were ordered to kill them or face execution themselves. Worse still, many of the Polish villagers were brutally tortured and mutilated before they died. When the killing was over, it was time for the wives and children of the killers to come and help with the looting.

    Men, women, children, old people and babies all shared the same fate. Pregnant women’s babies were often ripped out of their bodies before they themselves were finished off by Ukrainian militants. Any Ukrainians who dared to defend their Polish neighbours were also killed as traitors to the Ukrainian nationalist cause.

    It’s no use trying to deny it, Matthew, as there’s only too much evidence in the archives, including photographs of young children’s bodies strung up together on village fences as some sort of macabre trophy.

    The massacres were so appalling that even some members of the German army were moved to secretly provide Poles with arms so that they could defend themselves!

    Another disturbing aspect of this genocide was the fact that it was condoned by many members of the Uniate or “Greek Catholic” clergy, who held services to bless the militants beforehand. Perhaps that explains why they are still in denial about Bandera, who later in his life never expressed any sorrow for what happened.

    Fortunately the impartial Ukrainian historian Viktor Polishchuk / Poliszczuk — who steadfastly refused to support the Ukrainian Canadian UPA propaganda machine — has also left us an account of what really happened. The fact that in his article Matthew Babiak makes no reference to the work of Polishchuk speaks volumes about his academic credibility.

    Deleting readers’ posts will not solve the problem. By clumsily attempting to doctor the historical truth Ukrainian “historians” are doing a great disservice to the Ukrainian nation. How do you think Ukrainian teenagers are going to feel when they eventually discover what the Bandera people really did?

    Glorifying Bandera is a road to nowhere. If you want to put up statues, then put them up to Petlura and the heroes of the Maidan. Can’t you see that it’s time to ditch “heroes” like Khmelnytsky and Bandera, who were stupid enough to sell Ukrainians into slavery and ignominy?

    The sad truth is that between the two world wars some Ukrainian nationalists (and no, I have nothing against nationalism!) succumbed to the temptation to side with Germany in return for German support. That explains why they assassinated any Pole or Ukrainian who actively worked for Polish-Ukrainian understanding.

    When Poland was divided up between Germany and Russia they continued to play the German card. And play the German card they did! Many Ukrainian nationalists became guards at Nazi death camps, going down in history as unparalleled sadists, while others took part in massacres of Poles and Jews, whose presence spoilt their dream of an ethnically pure Ukraine.

  • Bobak

    >>> I’ve noticed that elsewhere on this website Matthew Babiak has deleted Tom’s post showing photographs of the massacres carried out by Ukrainians on the Polish people during World War II. I therefore strongly encourage everyone to do a Google search for:

    Volyn massacre

    Massacres of Poles in Volhynia

    Ukrainian ethnic cleansing

    … so that they can see for themselves how sadistic and disturbing those genocidal campaigns carried out by the Bandera people really were.

    Deleting readers’ posts won’t solve the problem. Think of the shame and the anger young Ukrainians are going to feel when they finally discover that — from the relative safety of Canada — the children of those Ukrainians who gladly collaborated with Hitler in his plans to exterminate whole nations have deceived them into thinking that the Bandera people were heroes!

    Can’t you see that this kind of propaganda is no different from that of Putin’s Russia?

    150 000 isn’t quite on the scale of the Rwandan genocide of 1994, but genocide it most certainly was. In German-occupied Poland Ukrainian forces carried out a mass slaughter of Polish villagers who posed no military threat and whose only crime was that they were not ethnic Ukrainians.

    The slaughter was as horrifying as it was methodical. No one was spared. Ukrainian men with Polish wives were ordered to kill them or face execution themselves. Worse still, many of the Polish villagers were brutally tortured and mutilated before they died. When the killing was over, it was time for the wives and children of the killers to come and help with the looting.

    Men, women, children, old people and babies all shared the same fate. Pregnant women’s babies were often ripped out of their bodies before they themselves were finished off by Ukrainian militants. Any Ukrainians who dared to defend their Polish neighbours were also killed as traitors to the Ukrainian nationalist cause.

    It’s no use trying to deny it, Matthew, as there’s only too much evidence in the archives, including photographs of young children’s bodies strung up together on village fences as some sort of macabre trophy.

    The massacres were so appalling that even some members of the German army were moved to secretly provide Poles with arms so that they could defend themselves!

    Another disturbing aspect of this genocide was the fact that it was condoned by many members of the Uniate or “Greek Catholic” clergy, who held services to bless the militants beforehand. Perhaps that explains why they are still in denial about Bandera, who later in his life never expressed any sorrow for what happened.

    Fortunately the impartial Ukrainian historian Viktor Polishchuk / Poliszczuk — who steadfastly refused to support the Ukrainian Canadian UPA propaganda machine — has also left us an account of what really happened. The fact that in his article Matthew Babiak makes no reference to the work of Polishchuk speaks volumes about his academic credibility.

    Deleting readers’ posts will not solve the problem. By clumsily attempting to doctor the historical truth Ukrainian “historians” are doing a great disservice to the Ukrainian nation. How do you think Ukrainian teenagers are going to feel when they eventually discover what the Bandera people really did?

    Glorifying Bandera is a road to nowhere. If you want to put up statues, then put them up to Petlura and the heroes of the Maidan. Can’t you see that it’s time to ditch “heroes” like Khmelnytsky and Bandera, who were stupid enough to sell Ukrainians into slavery and ignominy?

    The sad truth is that between the two world wars some Ukrainian nationalists (and no, I have nothing against nationalism!) succumbed to the temptation to side with Germany in return for German support. That explains why they assassinated any Pole or Ukrainian who actively worked for Polish-Ukrainian understanding.

    When Poland was divided up between Germany and Russia they continued to play the German card. And play the German card they did! Many Ukrainian nationalists became guards at Nazi death camps, going down in history as unparalleled sadists, while others took part in massacres of Poles and Jews, whose presence spoilt their dream of an ethnically pure Ukraine.

  • Dikobraz Dikobrazov

    I watch Russian TV (Ru-1) every day and confirm that reports such as the above are presented every day in all seriousness. They have even presented as serious a joke that was circulating about hunting expeditions in Donestsk oblast where for certain amounts of money one could shoot separatists – clearly it was a joke when first appeared on the ‘net but probably most Russians believe it to be true by now and blame the US (as usual).

    They frequently have commentary from Girkin, as if it was perfectly legitimate for a Russian military man to be shown in eastern Ukraine, reporting on the on-going military efforts there and requesting help from the Kremlin. There is no shame whatsoever in Russia for lies, lying, deceptions – they have almost all been thoroughly deluded by the Kremlin propaganda machine.

    They always show women and children crying, interspersed with images of warfare, in blatant attempts to induce hatred against Ukrainian efforts to free themselves of the despicable Russian influence.

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