End of Kremlin’s dream of ‘Big Deal’ with Trump makes Putin more dangerous not less

Putin's speech at the Luzhniki stadium in Moscow in February 2012, almost exactly two years before he commanded the Russian military to start the annexation of the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea. (Image: Ilya Varlamov)

Putin's speech at the Luzhniki stadium in Moscow in February 2012, almost exactly two years before he commanded the Russian military to start the annexation of the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea. (Image: Ilya Varlamov) 

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Andrey Piontkovsky, prominent Russian scientist, political writer and analyst

Andrey Piontkovsky

Andrey Piontkovsky is undoubtedly correct that “’a big deal’” between Moscow and Washington has become “impossible” given the fallout from the Flynn scandal because “any step by Trump in this direction would mean for him political death.”

But while the Russian commentator doesn’t say so in his latest article, the apparent collapse of Putin’s calculations that the new US Administration he so openly has backed would deliver just such a deal may in fact make the Kremlin leader more dangerous in the short term for at least two reasons.

  • On the one hand, as long as Putin felt he had something to lose in Washington by being more aggressive in Ukraine or elsewhere, he has operated in a more restrained fashion than may be the case now. If he senses that he has nothing to lose, the Kremlin leader may go for broke and launch an even larger invasion of Ukraine or make moves elsewhere.
  • And on the other, precisely because the Flynn scandal and its growth has so disordered the Trump White House, Putin may conclude that now is the time to strike given that he may assume that he can act with impunity given that even if Trump isn’t going to deliver a grand bargain, the US president won’t choose to respond to a Russian move with anything but rhetoric.

Putin may be wrong in that calculation, but if he is thinking in those terms – and Putin is very much more of a tactician than a strategist and so likely is – he may act on them. And that could pose a more serious threat to Russia’s neighbors and even to international peace and security in Europe.

As someone who very much feared the kind of “grand bargain” Putin and some supposed “realists” in the US want because it would betray not only America’s friends around the world but also American principles, the author of these lines will be very pleased if no such deal is ever possible as long as an aggressive dictator remains in power in Moscow.

But precisely because of those feeling and not despite them, I am convinced that the world and the US foreign policy establishment in the first instance needs to recognize that the end of Putin’s latest fantasy almost certainly will make him more dangerous rather than less and that the West should be thinking and acting now to counter him.


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Comments

  1. Avatar Mephisto says:

    There won’t be any Big Deal. But the US administration is completely crippled and out of play. The US will be mired in scandal after scandal till they get rid of Trump, that may take weeks or years. Who knows? And during this time, there will be no one to oppose Putin. Putin may escalate war in Ukraine, or start a war in Belarus.
    There is little doubt that Putin is defeated. The beginning of his end was the war in Ukraine. It is only a question how much more collateral damage this psychopath does to the world around himself, before he goes.

    1. Avatar туфтуф says:

      Trump’s stance is completely itrelevant relative to Russias winning or losing. No serious Russian intel operative ever even dreamed that Trumps coming to power will change US attitude toward Russia. Contingency plans have always been what they are not. It was only a matter if Russia wins taking a more or less easy route. Trump will not risk a nuclear war in order to protect a third world country, Gaboon, or Ukraine for that matter.

      1. Avatar Brent says:

        it’s irrelevant BECAUSE THE DISEASED DYING STATE OF RUSSIA HAS ALREADY LOST….tic tic tic, just like your diseased heart TOTO…

        1. Avatar туфтуф says:

          Russia is invincible. A common misconception in the West: after P, there will cum a democratic pressie of the type of Navalny who will give Crimea directly to nato, give Siberia to exxon, give Yakutia to the red lndians of Canada…..the reality is that the country is in such tight KGB patriotic grip, that most likely a general will take power, followed by an unstoppable Russias territorial enlargement, followed by Wests helpless moaning. I say let us pray for P’s health.

          1. Avatar Brent says:

            Sh*t for brains. Other than China wanting Siberia back, no one wants any part of that sh*thole named Russia They just want your terrorist lying troops out of Ukraine and other regions you’ve stolen In other words, F*CK OFF AND GO HOME

          2. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            Don’t forget that Dai-Nippon wants the Kuriles and Sakhalin back, stolen by Stalin in 1945.

          3. Avatar Njordheim says:

            AREN’T YOU ANGRY LITTLE ZHID HATING CHRISTIANS … big mouth scum!

          4. Avatar Murf says:

            You didn’t say Amen?
            Where I come fro we say “Amen” when we finish praying.
            Because that sounded more like an appeal to heaven then any real logic.
            One of the Finance Ministry types said recently that Russia needed oil at 60 GPB to balance the budget. They are still 5 DPB short.
            Of the 1 billion barrels a day of Oil the producers including Russia agreed to cut they are still 300k barrels short. The US has already increased production by 100k barrels a day.
            The price of oil is not going back to 60 DPB anytime soon.
            60% of Russia’s trade goes to Europe. An you think Russia can make war on their main trading partner?
            Russia is barely surviving a modest trade war as it is. all Europe has to do is turnoff the pipes and Russia’s economy gets flushed down the toilet with in weeks.
            The Russian Army has 850k odd men. However they are spread from the Baltic Sea to the Pacific. They can not concentrate all their troops in one theater.
            Ukraine with 250k and Poland with 150 (soon to be 200k) can field 400k men alone. The US can have another 100k in a matter of 2 months. ALL of the have battle experience
            Then there are the armies of 25 other countries.

          5. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Amen is wrong. Amin is right. Arameic. In hebrwe it is amain.

          6. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            In case you don’t know, Amin died years ago in Saudi Arabia- and what does he have to do with the subject anyway?

          7. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Hahaha

          8. Avatar туфтуф says:

            In other words, amen doesnt mean anything. I have a bad habit. I tend not to use useless words.

          9. Avatar Murf says:

            Well “praise be Putin” would be more your speed.

          10. Avatar туфтуф says:

            At least linguistically corect.

          11. Avatar Murf says:

            Google dictionary.com
            Amen- “it is so” or “so be it”
            It comes from the Hebrew Amen with hyphens over the m and n.
            Dumb a$$.

          12. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Google is stoopid, just like the English bible translators.

          13. Avatar Murf says:

            Funny, every time I have proven you wrong I used Google to do it.
            What does that say about you?

          14. Avatar туфтуф says:

            U use google cus u r ignorant. I say that abt u without having to google.

          15. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Pop to your local synagoge and hear how they pronounce Amein. Listen to arabic or arameic liturgy and hear how they pronounce amin. Bulgarians, Ukros, Russians, Serbs, Greeks……omg

          16. Avatar Geralt von RIva says:

            Does the EU need the bomb?
            The nuclear deterrence of NATO is not credible since Donald Trump. Now the EU bomb is being discussed. What is Europe’s deterrence in the future?

            http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2017-02/trump-nato-atomwaffen-europa

          17. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Eu will disappear in 2017. There ll be no bomb.

          18. Avatar Alex George says:

            Sure it will. Just what the Eurosceptics have been predicting, every day, for decades. The EU will disappear, any day now, just you wait and see… ;o)

          19. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            The Germans should build nukes of their own, to offset the loss of the UK’s. So should the Netherlands.
            No need to finance France’s as France will never allow ANY foreign control over the Force de Frappe.

          20. Avatar Geralt von RIva says:

            the last reactor for this we switched off in the 80th. to build all up again would last til 2030.

          21. Avatar Andrew Chmil says:

            Germans NEVER learned to think ahead….

            They should have made the Ukes their allies in WW2….

            Now the moslems wipe their organs on the faces of little German “kurve” like everyone does! :)))

          22. Avatar Geralt von RIva says:

            like the ukrainian, they gave it also away 😀

          23. Avatar Njordheim says:

            EVIL ANDREW CHMILEWSKY ***UKRAINIAN RAPIST***CHILD ABUSER***!!

          24. Avatar Andrew Chmil says:

            ***SERBIAN*** *LYING* coward ….

            ALWAYS WERE A COWARDLY, RAPE “CULTURE”.

            https://www.google.com/search?q=serbian+rape&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

            How are your “psychotropic medications” ? 😉
            Do they taste good?
            Eh little *VOLUNTEER* — UNPAID —- “wanna-be-Ruski”? 😉
            Even they don’t BOTHER with you… as they KNOW what you are,
            no matter how hard you try to kiss their Ruski @ss, like a good little ***SERBIAN***
            coward. :)))

            Mommy let you use the laptop again, eh? 😉

            Funny how ASHAMED YOU ARE to *ADMIT* & to *CONFESS* you are a lousy scumbag lying ***SERBIAN*** with NOTHING TO DO,
            … except be a VOLUNTEER, immoral, lying scumbag pretend Ruski for the Judeo-Bolshevik Russo-mongolians :))

            Yum! Yum!
            GOOF BALLS!
            Goof balls good!!! Right? 😉

            Oh yeah…. it’s “medication” …. for your MENTALLY ILL BS **WEAK** SERBIAN mind!
            :)))

            Have a nice day MENTAL CASE ***SERBIAN*** 😉

          25. Avatar Andrew Chimplewsky says:

            YAWN!! Leading 10-0. Made you change your Avatar and Name…. ZENON hates you. Public know you are –ANDREW CHMILEWSKY, Dr. INGRID RAPIST– CHILD ABUSER! COWARD and MENTAL CASE!!

          26. Avatar Alex George says:

            If you made hi change his avatar and name, then why is it still the same? ;o)

            Didn’t think about that, did you?

          27. Avatar Andrew Chimplewsky says:

            WATCH PEOPLE… This is CRAZY ANDREW CHMILEWSKY ***UKRAINIAN RAPIST**

          28. Avatar Njordheim says:

            WATCH THIS UkrNAZZI… This is CRAZY ANDREW CHMILEWSKY ***UKRAINIAN RAPIST** – ** https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d31fd94e13c09d5af3b073a85407f67e0dfc6395f88d81ea4a2555354f697f6.jpg WIFE BEATER**

          29. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            The German milers still in operation produce plutonium as a byproduct of fission of uranium, so Germany doesn’t have to build anything again. Extracting Pu-239 shouldn’t be a problem for a high-tech society such as Germany.
            No need for German strategic missiles just yet, but having its own tactical nukes should be a priority for Berlin. Ditto for the Hague.

          30. Avatar Alex George says:

            Russia is invincible – LOL, very funny.

            And no, I can’t think of anyone in the West who thinks Putin will be replaced by a liberal, or who cares. whoever is in the Kremlin has to get out of Crimea and Donbass or sanctions will continue .

            As for a general, it won’t help. Generals are only as good as thier military, and the Russian military isn’t very good. Its fine if it can simply walk in to a place without any shots fired, or if real soldiers like the Iranians do the fighting, but as soon as it faces real opposition the Russian army goes nowhere.

          31. Avatar туфтуф says:

            But if a general takes over, the world is ducked, d*ckhead.

          32. Avatar Alex George says:

            How – because the general is going to go out and shoot people with his pistol? You are such a silly old man!

            A general can’t do much with soft Russian boys, or bad training or bad leadership. Russian generals were in charge in the Donbass, remember? And they couldn’t do much there.

            Feel free to bring on the general – he might be a bit smarter than Putin and not start wars that Russia can’t finish.

          33. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Nukes.

          34. Avatar Alex George says:

            Even if there were any likelihood that Russia will use nukes, how is a general any more likely to use them than a mediocre former KGB officer?

          35. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Not use. Create FEAR. Its called leverage. Or clout.

          36. Avatar Alex George says:

            It doesn’t create fear in the sense you mean, because Russia won’t use them. Nor does it create leverage or clout.

            But you have just shot down your own argument. And you still can’t answer my question: how is a general any more likely to use them than a mediocre former KGB officer?

          37. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            Even Medvedev is smarter than Pedo Putolini! Mind you, given the dwarf’s limited intelligence that’s not saying much.

    2. Avatar Czech Mate says:

      agreed but the ruSSky dwarf is crippled too, more than we might even know, so let’s not forget about this too! He already took a “mortgage” attacking Ukraine, then Syria…they are going down, the ruSSkys going down because of him, that is for sure.

    3. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

      The Trump administration might be in disarray, but Congress definitely isn’t!

      1. Avatar Fortranz says:

        Lets hope this can put a stop to Trump. I’m not that optimistic that Congress or the Senate will impeach Trump, because, this will take too much time away from the domestic issues that the GOP got elected to do [end Obamacare…etc].

        Still depending on how much Trump’s election win had to do with Putin it’s hard to say this impeachment won’t or can’t happen. We just have too wait and see.

        1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

          Congres doesn’t have to impeach Trump just yet. Remember that Congress can initiate legislation and introduce bills that can become law. Trump can veto bills that Congress has passed, but if Congress repasses such a bill with a 2/3 majority it still becomes law despite a presidential veto. Does Trump understand all this? I’m not so sure.
          Capitol Hill can make life VERY difficult for Trump indeed.

          1. Avatar Andrew Chmil says:

            Recall. that “most of Congress” wanted to give Ukraine “deadly weapons” — but Obama scumbag did not.

            You think Trump wants to?

          2. Avatar Andrew Chimplewsky says:

            **CRAZY RAPIST** – Dag BOOM BOOM is going to tear your Galician a*s!!

          3. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            Trump can at best delay a bill if it has overwhelming support in Congress, but not kill it. So at the end of the day, what he wants is not as important as he might think. Unlike the dwarf, Trump does not have dictatorial powers and a rubber-stamp Duma to do his bidding.

          4. Avatar Andrew Chmil says:

            Good that he “exposed” his “Ruski fetish” & is EMBROILED domestically…

            Everyone is watching him & Russia…

        2. Avatar MichaelA says:

          do the democrats want to impeach trump?
          i wonder
          it doesnt get them a dem in the white house
          half term elections next year – would they rather have trump in the white house or pence?

          1. Avatar Forewarned says:

            Excellent question. Pence is preferred in my opinion simply because a madman seems to be in possession of the nuclear codes at the present time.

          2. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            I think that an impeachment procedure depends on what further info is revealed. This could happen over many months. Remember Watergate- initially it was just a burglary, but gradually turned out to be much, much more. Eventually Tricky Dicky resigned to forestall impeachment, but that was about 2 years after the burglary.
            It’s too early to tell whether Trump will find himself in the same position as Nixon, but his administration has certainly started under a cloud.

          3. Avatar Fortranz says:

            My guess is that the GOP would want Pence [the Dems don’t matter], however, do they want this bad enough too get rid of Trump? Hmm… can’t say right now.

          4. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            All this reflects badly on not only Trump, but also on the Republican party itself. And the longer it lasts, the worse it gets for both Trump and the GOP. I have a feeling that this affair is not going to go away quickly-if at all. When even Fox News starts to question Trump’s behaviour and indicates that he has some tough questions to answer I’d say he’s in a jam and is slowly but surely becoming a liability for the GOP. And screaming “Fake news” isn’t going to increase his credibility one bit.
            Eventually the Reps will do their best to get rid of him, I think. He’s already becoming a lame duck president less than a month after being inaugurated- must be a new record. Nice going.

          5. Avatar Fortranz says:

            I hear that my friend.

          6. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            I’m hazy on the impeachment procedure (Nixon was donkey’s years ago), but I believe that starting one requires a qualified majority in the Senate, so the Democrats DO matter.

          7. Avatar Fortranz says:

            I’m as fuzzy here as you, however, I’m thinking you are right here. Seems I’ve misspoken here a bit. What I’m thinking however, is that it seems to me that it is unlikely that even a minority of the GOP would ever want to impeach Trump. Unless it turns out that he had clear ties to Russia in how the US election was slanted in his favor.

          8. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            What will or won’t happen is anybody’s guess. For instance, will a new “Deep Throat” (or more than one) start providing new information implicating members of Trump’s team and ultimately Trump himself? Eventually Trump might be so deeply implicated in one way or another that the Republicans will have no alternative than to support an impeachment procedure or even initiate it themselves.
            It’s far too early to tell whether things will get so sticky that an impeachment procedure becomes inevitable, as eventually was the case with Nixon. He only avoided one by resigning, but that was some two years after Watergate.

          9. Avatar Fortranz says:

            True enough,, but I’m thinking that with the Flynn [firing] resignation, that perhaps Trump and company have buried something that we may never now know. Remember Ole North here.

          10. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            Time will tell whether Flynn’s exit is enough. But I suspect that the “fake” media are digging…….. and digging hard.

          11. Avatar Fortranz says:

            “fake” media ? Isn’t that “alternate facts”..lol

  2. Avatar Alex George says:

    Trump might welcome the chance to show that he is not beholden to Putin in any way. Trump would get strong bipartisan support for a strong pushback against Putin.

    If Putin wants to try something, what could it be? His resources are limited. His planes have been buzzing USN ships. Social media in occupied Donbass say Russian tanks are being loaded onto transports and driven away. Maybe into reserve, or is he going to have a go at someone further north, or at Azerbaijan? We’ll see. But whatever, anything Putin tries seems to end up failing.

    1. Avatar туфтуф says:

      I would disagree. P is an ex intel operative surrounded by a team of ex intel operatives. His moves are extremely diff to predict. This lack of predictability CIA often complains abt.

      1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

        Pedo Putolini is nothing but a totally corrupt, murderous, demented, fascist and pedophile third-rate Chekist. It’s no coincidence that he only got a measly desk job in the DDR, clipping articles from West German newspapers and magazines- something a corporal could easily have done. That was probably all his superiors thought he was capable of without causing any harm to the KGB or even the USSR.

        1. Avatar туфтуф says:

          Messy desk is a sign of high intelligence and concentration.

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            Wow, and now you can’t even read English – do you not know the difference between “measly” (what DB wrote) and “messy”? ;o)

            Putin was a mediocre KGB officer, hence why he was given a desk in Dresden, and only reached Major (Lt Col was an honorific on retirement).

        2. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

          In the DDR, the dwarf was just a gopher charged, as you say, with tedious low-level paper work – and also with organizing vodka-drenched parties for higher-ups. Not incidentally, his “colleagues” nicknamed him “clothes moth” and “cigarette butt”.

          Kipling must have been looking through a crystal ball when he penned this:

          http://www.bartleby.com/364/317.html

          1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            Masha Gessen’s biography of the dwarf- unauthorised, of course :)))) -, “The Man without a Face” makes most interesting reading indeed. I wonder whether Trump has read it- probably not, though.

          2. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

            Most likely, not. I don’t think he’s read any book about the dwarf, for that matter. OTOH, in this day and age it’s not difficult to figure out what the dwarf is and what he is up to without reading a whole book about him. If one is willing, of course.

          3. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            If I were US president, UK prime minister, German chancellor etc etc I would make it my business to find out EVERYTHING possible about the dwarf. Heck, if I can buy a copy of Gessen’s book and take the time to read it, then so can and should they.

          4. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

            Agree.

            At yet another angle, there are people – usually, driven by an ideology – who would never change their opinion on a subject if irrefutable evidence to the contrary hit them on the forehead. It appears that recent events suggest that Trump is not one of them, which is a good sign.

            Methinks even though he most likely has never read Masha’s book (or its equivalent thereof), he has read some good compendium put together by people in the know, and if he had held a certain naive positive opinion about the dwarf, it wasn’t cast in concrete, for without his okay neither Haley nor Spicer would’ve issued the rather uncompromising statements they have.

      2. Avatar Murf says:

        Are these the same Intel guys who though Ukraine would give in quickly?
        That the Syrian Army with Russian air support would blitz the rebels?
        That didn’t see the oil price crash coming?
        That the West would accept the Annexation rather than risk their gas supplies?
        Did they foresee the seizing of Crimea would ultimately cast Russia 500 billion Dollars.
        Glad you have confidence in them.
        I think they are a bunch yes men toadies.

      3. Avatar Brent says:

        Putin’s moves are erratic and poorly executed. Look at his failed “Novorossia” project. Smaller weaker and disorganized at the outset, Ukraine held off Russia’s supposedly “2nd best army in the world”. 7 months to capture one airport shows how far Russia’s bluster and bullsh*t has actually got them in reality compared to the fantasy world Putin and you trolls live in. How many bribes Putin has paid to his cadre of Euro stooges and yet he is still a pariah who no one trusts or aligns with

        1. Avatar туфтуф says:

          Delinerately erratic. Everything is a smoke screen 4 smth else. Thats why everyone is afraid when he is silent. But having had close contact with his kind, even when they speak, they say nothing relevant.

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            No, its just incompetence. And seriously, how afraid does “everyone” look? Of course they are wary of him, due to his aggression and his willingness to sacrifice the interests of Russia in favour of his own.

            But that doesn’t mean they fear him, any more than they fear Venezuela or North Korea.

            In the end, everyone fears the doers, not talkers like Putin

    2. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

      I still say Belarus is the dwarf’s next target. Azerbaijan is less likely as it would further alienate the Muslim world.

      1. Avatar Alex George says:

        Your prediction is noted!

        1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

          The dwarf desperately needs a success. Trump telling him “Hand back the Crimea” is NOT what he expected. Open aggression against Kyiv will almost certainly result in further sanctions which will cripple an already hard hit economy even further. But an invasion and annexation of Belarus will only result in a few weak verbal protests, if that. It’s not as if Lukashenko has any friends in western capitals.
          From the dwarf’s point of view, a quick annexation of Belarus has many advantages. He can sell it to the gullible Dwarfstanians as a further step on the road to restoring Dwarfstan’s greatness, bringing Belarus back into the Imperial fold so to speak. He gets rid of Lukashenko, who has been anything but pliable in recent years. He gets a longer border with the Ukraine and extra bases, compounding Kyiv’s defence problems and giving him further possibilities for an invasion. And I’m far from convinced he would meet much organised resistance- not that the dwarf cares about casualties.
          What’s not to like about a quick annexation of Belarus if you’re the dwarf?

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            There won’t be any quick annexation of Belarus, for reasons I have already explained.

            As I wrote, your prediction is noted. You already know mine .

          2. Avatar Fortranz says:

            Putin is as unpredictable as Trump Alex George. I think it wise that we don’t try and predict anything about either of them just yet.

          3. Avatar Alex George says:

            I didn’t. I don’t deny Putin may do something that is counter-productive to his own interests – Lord knows he’s done a few of those already.

            My prediction relates to whether Belarus will be a pushover. I predict it will be a meat grinder, just like Donbass but worse for the Russians.

          4. Avatar slavko says:

            Russia WILL lose Kaliningrad in any event.

          5. Avatar Geralt von RIva says:

            we must not even go east this time^^

          6. Avatar slavko says:

            Sorry but I disagree. If Putin did not want NATO closer to its borders, then Russia should respect international borders. There’s no reason for countries to feel the hot breath of a larger bad tempered country’s threats to their sovereignty. Enough of that.

          7. Avatar Geralt von RIva says:

            we are not bad tempered^^

          8. Avatar slavko says:

            if you count yourself as a Kremlin tool… then YES you are! It takes first a fool and then a cruel and a bad tempered person to promote the Kremlin stories.

          9. Avatar Geralt von RIva says:

            the last kremlin story i readed was an axis of china, russia and germany. they have every day another story.

          10. Avatar slavko says:

            like one thousand and one nights… the Kremlin’s Ali Baba and the 40 thieves… or The seven voyages of Putin the Sinful and Bad Sailor… the Tale of the Dwarf with the Small Hands… 😉

          11. Avatar Geralt von RIva says:

            😀

          12. Avatar slavko says:

            LOL I knew you would like that 😀

          13. Avatar Fortranz says:

            “- Trump telling him “Hand back the Crimea” is NOT what he expected. -” ??

            Are you sure this is what Trump has told Putin? I don’t think so just yet.

          14. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            Whether Trump told Putin that himself during a telephone conversation is unknown. But a White House spokesman saying that Trump wants the Crimea returned pretty much makes Trump’s position public knowledge, I’d say. If this had been a misquote Trump would have at the very least issued an official statement contradicting his spokesman by now.

      2. Avatar RedSquareMaidan says:

        KGB never left Belarus. The Moskovy Mafia already owns it. Lukashenko is getting old and his “son” that he wants to take his office when he’s dead is very young. Besides, Belarus is repackaging everything from Europe around the sanctions.
        Haha, it would only take ten minutes anyway.
        Probably easier than Crimea. I love your point, Dagwood, but I think it was all about the Black Sea Fleet, and Putin will never leave it. This crap should have been settled 26 years ago.
        It is against the Ukrainian constitution to have foreign soldiers on Ukrainian soil, but the lease extensions for the BSF in Sevastopol are only possible with the independence arrangement with the Crimea. With Putler’s only warm water port (pre-Syria invasion) he would never give it up.

        1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

          The dwarf doesn’t need Sevastopol as he already has Novorossiisk, which has several advantages over Sevastopol, not least that it has direct overland communications with the hinterland.

        2. Avatar Alex George says:

          Belarus would be a meat-grinder for the Russian army. Putin knows it.

          Most of the people are ethnically distinct from Russians and there is strong nationalist sentiment – far more anti-Russian than in Ukraine prior to 2014. The country is crawling with weapons, both in military dumps and in private hands.

          The Russians themselves complain that they have very few sources of information from within Belarus. The Belarusian KGB are not aligned tot the FSB.

          And finally Belarus itself is an attacker’s nightmare.

  3. Avatar туфтуф says:

    Breaking: a double edged sword.
    Ukrainian secret service has informed the putsch gvt in Kiev that miners who lost their jobs due to nazi blockade of Donbass are joining the Novorossiya army in droves. This is copy/paste from the intel report:

    Оставшиеся из-за блокады без работы жители Донбасса пополняют ряды ополчения ДНР и ЛНР, сообщает на своей странице в Facebook Главное управление разведки Министерства обороны Украины.

    1. Avatar Murf says:

      Good, you need the new man power after the recent combat losses and desertions.
      Their traitorous tendencies are yet another example of why the Donbas population should to not be a part of the Ukraine political process and why the blockage is the right course.

      1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

        When the occupied territories are liberated, most of the surviving scum will flee to Dwarfstan, Pedo Putolini’s Land of Milk and Honey where masses of highly-paid jobs will await them. There will be no need for the Ukrainian authorities to deport them, and the country is better off without such lowlife. They won’t be missed.

      2. Avatar туфтуф says:

        I agree. Just dnt know why Russia is dilly dallying.

        1. Avatar Murf says:

          Lack of intestinal fortitude.(guts, balls, cahonas etc…)

          1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

            Not to mention increasing numbers of Kolorads deserting, and Dwarfstanian regular army soldiers resigning.

        2. Avatar Alex George says:

          Yes you do – a poor military, poor standard of recruits from Russia, poor leadership, and a collapsing economy.

    2. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

      IF true, those ex-miners will soon desert when they discover that they actually have to FIGHT, and will be shot at!

      1. Avatar туфтуф says:

        Their colleagues have been smoking nazis for years. What makes you think these will be any different?

        1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

          According to Igor Girkin, nearly all of the so-called DNR’s “volunteers” are criminals and/or drug addicts, so I expect they’ve been smoking crack or something similar, plus shooting Krokodil in their veins. If they’ve been smoking nazis as you claim, then they are the ones who have blown up Bednov-Batman, Mozgovoy, Pavlov-Motorola, Anashchenko and most recently Givi- nazis one and all. Plus being responsible for the failed attempt on Plotnitsky, but better luck next time.

        2. Avatar Alex George says:

          Their colleagues have been failing to do much for years, and they are know they are fighting for the Nazzis. ;o)

    3. Avatar Alex George says:

      LOL You dopey senile old windbag – try to find some real news instead of whatever your addled old brain makes up! As usual, you cite no source because you haven’t got one!

      There is no such thing as the “novorossiyan army”. There are the separatist forces run by LPR and DPR, and they get plenty of recruits because it is the only place where young men in Donbass can get a secure job, and pay of 15k rubles per month.

      Mind you, recruits have apparently become hard to find since the separatist units were used as cannon fodder in these latest failed Russian offensives.

      1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

        Lots of these “fifteenthousanders” deserted when they found out they were- shock! horror!- expected to FIGHT and- gasp!- were SHOT AT with LIVE AMMO (That’s not fair!!!) by Ukrainian troops!!!!!!

        So much for the so-called DNR’s “finest”. I suppose they expected a quiet life in the rear areas where they could terrorise the local population, get drunk and use Krokodil all day.

  4. Avatar Murf says:

    Once faulty Russian analysis based on wishful thinking.
    Trump is an amateur politician who is learning the difference between the Board Room and the Oval office.
    It’s a process.
    However with Flynn out of the way he will be listening to the pros like Mattis and Tillerson instead of the Madison Avenue crowd he is used to running with.
    What Russia does not understand is that unlike Obama, there will be little reluctance on the new administrations part for a confrontation with Putin.
    Indeed, a strong showing by Trump will enhance his image and put to rest the impression Trump is in Putin’s pocket.
    Nor are domestic “scandals” going to be a problem. Congress is very pro Ukraine and have been frustrated by Obama’s timidity in all aspects of Foreign Policy.

    1. Avatar Czech Mate says:

      you forgot a certain name… Bannon, the biggest Breitfart-Putinist nut there is. Still whispering into the orange ear.

      1. Avatar Brent says:

        Bannon is likely the next whack job to be asked to resign. Republicans in congress will keep pushing Drumpf on the looney tunes he installed in the White House

        1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

          So will the Democrats.

  5. Avatar RedSquareMaidan says:

    Blah blah blah, the Russia has nothing to offer the US, except for the Russia to GET OUT of Crimea, Donbas, South Ossetia, Abkhasia, Transnistria, Azerbaijan and Syria.

    1. Avatar veth says:

      The love affair with Putler is over…………..

      Kremlin forbids state-run media to ‘flatter’ Trump, – Bloomberg
      Certain circles in Russia are concerned that the White House will not be too friendly as they could expect

      18:04, 16 February 2017
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      112 Agency
      The Russian presidential administration ordered the state-run media to stop ‘flattering’ U.S. leader Donald Trump and his policy; Bloomberg reported this with reference to three unnamed sources in the influential circles in Russian government.

      There are concerns that the Kremlin could face less favorable attitude of the U.S. than the top ranking officials could have expected.

      The order by the Russian presidential administration showed up as the anti-Russian vibes gain power in Washington, and the U.S. special services are trying to find out as much as possible about the U.S.-Russia contacts during the presidential race in the States. However, Putin’s press service said it is due to the fact that Russians are not really interested in more details of the U.S. politics, the source said.

      ‘The media will not be badmouthing Trump, they’ll merely stop talking about him so much. The fate of the U.S.-Russia relations proved to be less predictable than one could expect several weeks ago,’ Konstantin Eggert, Russia political expert said.

      1. Avatar Forewarned says:

        Exactly. The trolls have been laying low too. Anyone else notice?

        1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

          туф-туф is still here spouting his usual drivel. So is his loony sidekick Njordheim.

  6. Avatar veth says:

    Last week in the battle of Avdiivka, the Russian Army was defeated…hahaha

    1. Avatar туфтуф says:

      Thank goodness. Been celebrating ever since. I also celebrated ukro victory at llovaysk, Debaltsevo and Debaltsevo II. Only coz a US general openly said those were the greatest ukroarmys victories of the entire war.

      1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

        Be prepared to see Pedo Putolini’s Kolorads get chopped to pieces again if they try any more funny stuff. The dwarf had better send more mobile crematoria to Rostov oblast if he does try- he’s going to need them. The seven that are already there doing a “roaring” trade won’t be nearly enough.

      2. Avatar Alex George says:

        Except he didn’t, did he? You are a silly old windbag.

        Anyway, I am surprised that you would bring these up – Debaltseve was an excellent example of how the Russian army could only shift Ukrainian defenders by offering them safe conduct,and then shooting them down when they left. A typical example of the Russian army’s lack of honour, and why nobody will ever trust it again.

        And in spite of all that, the Russians still lost! A look at a map is instructive, showing hte tiny sliver of the east that the Russians hold now.

      3. Avatar gmab says:

        Ukrainians will never forget Ilovaisk. A new generation experienced the infamous Russian barbarism that they only read of or heard about from elders. Russia lost Ukraine forever. The deeply ingrained hatred Ukrainians feel for the ruskie scum is eternal .

        1. Avatar туфтуф says:

          But ukros won at llovaysk. I heard a US general say it.

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            You heard nothing of the sort. You just want to refer to Ilovaisk because its one of the few local successes (relatively speaking) that the Russians had. You thereby hope to take the focus off the fact that Russia lost the campaign.

          2. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Just cus of this relative sucess the general said it was a victory. Debaltsevo too. Who are we to argue with a military specialist?

          3. Avatar Alex George says:

            And you can’t even name the “general”. You are such an old windbag!

            The Russian military actually managed to inflict some significant casualties on the Ukrainians at Ilovaisk and Debaltseve (mainly as I said through promising the Ukrainian defenders safe conduct if they left their positions, and then attacking). But the Russians still lost the campaign – you really don’t want to talk about that, do you? ;o)

    2. Avatar Murf says:

      Your dam right they did!
      Spanked the Russians like the punk a$$ bit*hs they are.
      Then the Ukraine boys took everything Putin had the guts to send at them.
      All I gotta say to the 72nd boys is:
      HOOAH!

        1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

          The dwarf has been mad all his life!

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            True, or the Russian artillery firing into civilian areas in their own controlled areas of the Donbass and trying to blame Ukraine, but forgetting that the direction of artillery fire can easily be determined!

      1. Avatar Alex George says:

        i agree. 72nd Brigade showed a high level of skill and courage in defence. It was a really impressive performance.

  7. Avatar veth says:

    x
    Ukrainian FM calls U.S. announcement on Crimea “a strong message”
    Pavlo Klimkin is now in Washington to set a meeting of the U.S. and Ukrainian presidents

    16:36, 16 February 2017
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    Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin called an announcement of the White House on the Crimea to be ‘expected and strong”.

    He told that in his commentary to the Voice of America in Washington, where he is negotiating about the meeting of the presidents of the U.S. and Ukraine.

    Related: Poroshenko to meet with US Vice President Pence in Germany
    At that Klimkin noted that he expects the U.S. together with the EU to bring pressure on Russia until full implementation of Minsk agreement. He also said that Ukraine is grateful to the USA for their support and is ready for practical mutually-beneficial cooperation.

  8. Avatar veth says:

    Putler, the inferior Russian: Ukraine wants to invade Russia……………………..hahahahaha

  9. Avatar Eolone says:

    Besides Flynn, there is Roger Stone who is being investigated by Congress. Stone denies having anything to do with Russia, but he had business dealings in Ukraine when Yanukovych was president. Stone and others being investigated is a blow to Putin because Trump now can’t aggressively remove more sanctions without appearing to be beholden to Putin.

    The Russian spy ship off the coast of the US might be deceptively managed to protect Trump’s image, viz., Putin and Trump are independent of each other. The same with the Russian jets and bombers buzzing the USS Porter on the 10th.

    1. Avatar Alex George says:

      I agree – if Trump and the Republicans are smart, they will have nothing to do with Flynn, Manafort, Page or Stone. There are plenty of other talented people to do their jobs.