Obama, whom Moscow placed great hopes in, couldn’t make a deal with Putin — because of Putin

 

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Moscow officials and commentators have treated Barack Obama with “unconcealed hatred” at the end of his presidency, blaming him for the absence of an agreement between Washington and Moscow and forgetting how they welcomed him eight years ago and how he pursued “the reset,” Vitaly Portnikov says.

Vitaly Portnikov, Ukrainian political analyst and writer

Vitaly Portnikov, Ukrainian political analyst and writer

On the Grani portal today, the Ukrainian analyst says that

Moscow outlets are presenting Obama now as “a failure, ‘an imperialist,’ an enemy of Russia, and as someone who tried to block history itself which had opened its parade route for the Putin motorcade.”

But when Obama was first elected, Portnikov continues, many of these same officials and commentators welcomed him as representing a break from the Bush years or at least as a better outcome for Moscow than a victory by his Republican opponent. And they particularly greeted his pursuit of “a reset” of relations between Moscow and Washington.

And it is important to remember, the analyst says, that “this was a reset not with the Russia of Yeltsin with whom Clinton found democracy in his heart, and even not with the Russia of the early Putin, into whose soul George Bush looked.” Instead, it was “the same Russia” the civilized world has to deal with today.

What is that state? One ruled by a clutch of bandits who will do anything to preserve their wealth and power, one where free media have been destroyed, where elections are rigged, and one where Moscow feels free to invade neighboring countries such as Georgia (and more recently Ukraine). In short, an international outcast.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin, left, and Finland's President Sauli Niinisto during a joint press conference at the presidential summer residence Kultaranta in Naantali, Finland, on Friday July 1, 2016. (Jussi Nukari / Lehtikuva via AP)

Russia’s President Vladimir Putin, left, and Finland’s President Sauli Niinisto during a joint press conference at the presidential summer residence Kultaranta in Naantali, Finland, on Friday July 1, 2016. (Jussi Nukari / Lehtikuva via AP)

But today, Moscow outlets blame Obama for the failure of the reset just as they have blamed every American president for failing to come to terms with whatever Russia does and whatever Russia want and for not seeing that Russia is on the right side of history and that they are not.

And thus the facts of the case are these:

“Obama didn’t reach agreement with Putin not because he was an arrogant idiot.” He didn’t because he “was a gentleman who wanted honor from someone who was incapable of it” and who despite his efforts to find a way forward was always rewarded with “demonstrated deception.”

That is how Moscow has always behaved and how it has always treated American presidents, Portnikov says; and he implies that Donald Trump will suffer the same fate. Undoubtedly, Trump will try to make a deal: “the American political tradition itself condemns him to such an attempt.”

But the Russian political tradition — as embodied in the Kremlin dictator — dooms this effort from the start, something that is likely to become obvious to all before very long.


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Comments

  1. Avatar Kruton says:

    I hope Putler screws Trump around.Trumps a mean SOB!

    1. Avatar laker48 says:

      Trump will leave Putler and RuSSia holding the bag.

      1. Avatar Mykola Potytorsky says:

        what?

        1. Avatar laker48 says:

          Exactly what you’ve read. Mark my words. Poroshenko and Ukrainian oligarchs may also join Fuhrer Shorty the Shirtless. Trump means business ad RuSSia doesn’t have anything to offer him. Trump will likely support the Ukrainian army.

    2. Avatar Turtler says:

      No matter how mean you think Trump is, I can assure you that the man who flattened Grozny and Aleppo, funds terrorism across Eastern Europe, invaded two nations, routinely downplays the catastrophic HIV/AIDS epidemic in his country, and retaliated against Russian orphans is meaner.

      1. Avatar Kruton says:

        Your preaching to the choir here,one can only hope!

  2. Avatar laker48 says:

    “Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.”
    – General James “Mad Dog” Mattis, US Secretary of Defence in the Trump administration.

  3. Avatar Brent says:

    It’s hilarious seeing how much Russian and its trolls now despise Obama, who in reality was weak and feckless and let Russia get away with a lot of war crimes in Ukraine and Syria. Initially, Obama tried a “reset” with Russia who was invited into the G8 and WTO, but Russia only takes, it does not give back. Obama thought he could “negotiate” with Russia, but the reality is you don’t negotiate with the mafia. You put them in jail.

    Watching Russia and the trolls now pinning their hopes on Drumpf is even funnier because he’s erratic and has to deal with a very anti Russia Congress and Senate and won’t be able to appease Russia like he talks about. Soon Russia will grow to hate Drumpf too….

    1. Avatar laker48 says:

      “Russia promises when it is forced to do so, and does not keep its promises as soon as it has the strength to renege on them.”
      – Marshall Jozef Pilsudski
      If not Trump himself, his advisors do realise this.

      1. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

        Like Rex of course. Soon Usa will recognize Crimea as Russian territory and lift sanctions

        1. Avatar laker48 says:

          Wouldn’t bet a farm, or a horse, or even a skinny bronco.

          1. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

            Yes it will

          2. Avatar laker48 says:

            LOL! You’ll wait until the cows come home.

          3. Avatar Brent says:

            He’s Russian. He’ll be waiting for the “rats” to come home because beef is too expensive for ordinary Russians….

          4. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

            Just wait and see. There is another vision besides what Duda is telling you, lol

          5. Avatar Andrew says:

            COPY 4 you
            ———————

            “laker48″ –YOU ROTE THUSLY:
            ” –“Russia promises when it is forced to do so,
            and does not keep its promises as soon as it has the strength to renege
            on them.”
            – Marshall Jozef Pilsudski
            If not Trump himself, his advisors do realise this. — ”

            ———————
            YOU COULD SAY THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT **POLAND**

            — TRYING TO “BLUFF” YOUR WAY, YOU PERFIDIOUS POLAK???
            YOU ARE A LIAR!!!

            Ruski & Polaks have *ALWAYS* INVADED & BETRAYED Ukr…

            Cc: BRENT, “Rafael Hernandez”

          6. Avatar Brent says:

            No, no, no!!!

            Tell Ralphie the fake Norwegian to bet all of his “rubbles” on it!!! He’s dumb enough to fall for anything Putler tells him too….

        2. Avatar Kruton says:

          Death to the Putlerite savages!!!

          1. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

            You have been watching too much tsn, lol

          2. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Death? Lol. No reason for threats, especially when u cnt back them up. Ukroland is finished. We must make Germans pay for its reconstruction and let it become part of RF. Peace is what matters for that blood drained little country.

          3. Avatar Alex George says:

            Yes of course its finished. Even though its economy is growing whereas Russia’s is shrinking, and countries are lining up to trade with it and invest in it. the worst thing is, it doesn’t even realise how much it needs Russia – Ukrainians just don’t seem interested in Russia anymore, especially the ones who are ethnic Russians!

            Its doing soooooo badly. ;o)

          4. Avatar Kruton says:

            Did I interrupt your daily killing of women and children,I’m sorry!

          5. Avatar туфтуф says:

            You didnt. I do not support the putsch gvt.

        3. Avatar Murf says:

          to do will require approval from the Congress.
          Has congress said anything that a reasonable person (ie not a Troll) that indicates they are willing to do so?
          Quit trying see things that are not there.

          1. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

            Trump himself will convince them.

          2. Avatar Alex George says:

            LOL Far more likely the other way around – Trump will never win a fight on this issue against Congress, and he knows it.

          3. Avatar Murf says:

            How?
            What does Russia have to offer the U.S.?
            They have proven unreliable partners in every field of endeavor.

        4. Avatar Brent says:

          Don’t worry “Ralphie the Fake Norwegian”, we’ll always recognize you as a walnut brained Russian troll….. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/501b7bbd0bb05d72441f5c1aa496f8e70b0fa4120454896fa756e9a1cf7f79b2.jpg

          1. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

            We? You mean your other accounts too? Wow you are a genius sir

          2. Avatar Brent says:

            No “Ralphie the walnut sized brain fake Norwegian”….by “we”, I mean myself and all of the others here who are sick of your lies and idiotic mindless regurgitation of Russian propaganda….I can see you’ve already made as FEW friends and get as regularly ridiculed as you used to on UT…

          3. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

            Please do not lie

          4. Avatar Alex George says:

            Oh dear, you really cannot handle the truth, can you?

          5. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

            On the contrary. It is the khokhols that can’t handle the truth

          6. Avatar Brent says:

            Let me guess….the Kremlin “alternative facts” kind of truth?

            Those are known as L-I-E-S which only the truly walnut sized brains like yourself are gullible enough to fall for…. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1229ddbaa5a8071b5c5f493b1a0154d8f0c1f8ccf314cc020674eb2656e64518.jpg

          7. Avatar Alex George says:

            What truth? You have just come out with a totally unrealistic fantasy, and you expect anyone to be impressed?

          8. Avatar Dale Davies says:

            Ralphie the turnip with walnut brain.

          9. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Its not entirely true. I have just voted both of u up. We re all friends here. A civilised discussion always makes ones beliefs stronger.

          10. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Cant maidan trolls make peace with Russian trolls and be merry? Have a pint. Germany s paying the bill anyway.

        5. Avatar Alex George says:

          Sure it will – as you have been telling yourself for the last two years.

          Yet the sanctions are still there, aren’t they?

      2. Avatar Andrew says:

        YOU ROTE THUSLY:
        ” –“Russia promises when it is forced to do so, and does not keep its promises as soon as it has the strength to renege on them.”
        – Marshall Jozef Pilsudski
        If not Trump himself, his advisors do realise this. — ”

        YOU COULD SAY THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT **POLAND**

        — TRYING TO “BLUFF” YOUR WAYYOU PERFIDIOUS POLAK???
        YOU ARE A LIAR!!!
        Ruski & Polaks have *ALWAYS* INVADED & BETRAYED Ukr…

        Cc: BRENT, “Rafael Hernandez”

        1. Avatar laker48 says:

          With Ukrainian patriots of your ilk Ukraine will disappear as a state by 2030 and fulfil George Friedman’s forecast: http://www.mysearch.org.uk/website1/pdf/715.2.pdf
          Go to the summary on page 157!

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Can we pls get rid of the friedman boy? Ukroland has ALREADY disappeared. Just doesnt know it yet.

          2. Avatar Alex George says:

            Of course it has. Stopped the Russian army in its tracks, economy improving, culture and trade growing, markets being taken from Russia. And doesn’t even seem to care about Russia anymore. Yes, very much disappearing. ;o)

      3. Avatar Andrew says:

        COPY
        ———————

        “laker48″ –YOU ROTE THUSLY:
        ” –“Russia promises when it is forced to do so,
        and does not keep its promises as soon as it has the strength to renege
        on them.”
        – Marshall Jozef Pilsudski
        If not Trump himself, his advisors do realise this. — ”

        YOU COULD SAY THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT **POLAND**

        — TRYING TO “BLUFF” YOUR WAYYOU PERFIDIOUS POLAK???
        YOU ARE A LIAR!!!

        Ruski & Polaks have *ALWAYS* INVADED & BETRAYED Ukr…

        Cc: BRENT, “Rafael Hernandez”

      4. Avatar туфтуф says:

        Russia shold not be trusted. Neither should the Drumpf. Both know it.

    2. Avatar Andrew says:

      COPY 4 U
      ———————

      “laker48″ –YOU ROTE THUSLY:
      ” –“Russia promises when it is forced to do so,
      and does not keep its promises as soon as it has the strength to renege
      on them.”
      – Marshall Jozef Pilsudski
      If not Trump himself, his advisors do realise this. — ”

      YOU COULD SAY THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT **POLAND**

      — TRYING TO “BLUFF” YOUR WAYYOU PERFIDIOUS POLAK???
      YOU ARE A LIAR!!!

      Ruski & Polaks have *ALWAYS* INVADED & BETRAYED Ukr…

      Cc: BRENT, “Rafael Hernandez”

      1. Avatar Alex George says:

        You have posted the same thing at least four times.

        That’s not the way to impress intelligent people.

    3. Avatar туфтуф says:

      I love Bumsey. I hear he s back in Kenya as a goatherd…??? Good man.

      1. Avatar Alex George says:

        That’s alright. Putin loves him too.

        1. Avatar туфтуф says:

          I have deepest respect for goatherds.

  4. Avatar Turtler says:

    Well written. And it’s what I’ve been saying for yeaaaaaars.

    As fun as it may be to engage in domestic partisanship- and lord knows I do that- it’s important to realize that there are some things in the world that cannot be blamed on the guys across the aisle from you in the capital. Putin is one of those things. Dubya Bush came in thinking that the relative calm of his father and Clinton had opened the way for a new blossoming of Russian relations in a post-Cold War era. Obama came in thinking that the main cause for the collapse of Russo-Western relations was Dubya’s policies. And Trump has come in thinking that he can make a good deal with Putin that will be mutually beneficial and stick.

    All of them are wrong. Because all of them are missing the common denominator in the situation. Vladimir Putin is an anti-Western, expansionist tyrant and possible psychotic, and while he may play nice initially that is all it really is: a play.

  5. Avatar Greg says:

    Putin may regard Trump being in power! we will see soon!

    1. Avatar laker48 says:

      “Regard” or “regret’?

      1. Avatar Greg says:

        yes, sorry typo error, thanks for correcting))

        1. Avatar laker48 says:

          You can edit your post and correct the typo.

          I agree with you and think that the katsaps already regret their support for Trump. Trump is a businessman and won’t buy any RuSSian BS. The only decision he faces is to either cordon Dwarfstan off with NATO forces and trigger the Balkanisation of the fascist RuSSian Federation, where everybody will be at everybody else’s throat, or to throw the dwarf another lifeline to extend the agony. We’ll soon see what’s gonna happen.

          1. Avatar slavko says:

            Actually after Russians were backing Trump, my thought was that Putin and crowd would have preferred Clinton, but openly backed Trump to push people into Clinton’s corner. And it failed by a hair.

          2. Avatar laker48 says:

            Hard to say, but it’s for sure that the “Trump support campaign” was directed to the internal, sheeple audience with a bit of the old KGB ploy of spreading lies, disinformation and inciting doubt in the hopes of discrediting Trump if elected. It seems to me that the dwarf has gotten much more than he ever bargained for. Trump realises all too well that Dwarfstan is on its last legs, as it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out. My rational expectation is that Trump will crank up all anti-ISIS campaigns without coordinating them with RuSSia, while keeping the sanctions on for at least another year if not longer. Trump has plenty of time and knows that talk is cheap, while the dwarf has a tightening noose around his neck.

          3. Avatar slavko says:

            Given what we have…. looking towards that.

  6. Avatar Alex George says:

    Obama gave Putin more of a chance than he deserved.

    But in the end Obama accepted the same reality as everyone else who deals with Putin – you cannot trust him an inch.

    1. Avatar WisconsinUSA says:

      i wish he would have learned that lesson with the republicans earlier than he did.

      1. Avatar Rafael Hernandez says:

        Of course there was nothing wrong with Obama. Won the nobel peace prize(lol) and bombed Libya 2 years later.

        1. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

          How’s the weather in Putingrad today, tovarish?

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            London cloudy and cold. Petrograd, the Venice of the North, foggy, cold and snowy. Sochi warm.

          2. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

            Place your thermometer in Putin’s nether orifice.

        2. Avatar Mykola Banderachuk says:

          no he did not!!!

        3. Avatar Alex George says:

          Yes, the USA and other nations helped to liberate Libya from a disgusting dictator who exported terrorism. Putin doesn’t like that because he also exports terrorism .

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Most powerful countries export terrorism. McCain said he personally visited the Syrian peaceful terrorists several times. There are pics and videos on u tube confirming his words.

          2. Avatar Alex George says:

            No, sorry but most powerful countries do not export terrorism. Russia is a pariah state because it exports terrorism, as was Libya under Gaddafi.

            Yes, it was good to see McCain giving support to the Syrian opposition, wasn’t it? People who just want ot be free of Assad and ISIS. Unfortunately Russia and Syria both work with ISIS to spread terrorism, whereas Western nations work to prevent it.

          3. Avatar туфтуф says:

            But there are videos on u tube of mccain and moderate terrorists…

          4. Avatar Alex George says:

            LOL “moderate terrorists”

            Is that the excuse the Russians use for their deals with ISIS? The USA and other western nations are serious about eradicating ISIS. Russia is not.

          5. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Am talking about al bagdadi. Moderate he must be to gain access to the senator…or not?

          6. Avatar Alex George says:

            LMAO McCain never met the head of ISIS. Putin may have – after all, it is Russia that does deals with ISIS, while it is the West that bombs it .

          7. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Now u got me there. Google is a powerful tool. Lol

        4. Avatar Brent says:

          Ralphie the fake Norwegian….you’ll eventually realize how much stooges like yourself and Mother Rossiya are going to miss Obama. He was willing to negotiate with Putin. The Republican Party is much more hawkish and once Drumpf realizes Rossiya is not even fighting ISIS, he’ll realize the same thing about how the Kremlin Mafia cannot be trusted.

          1. Avatar Dale Davies says:

            The combover will lay in bed with little goat Bad Vlad to get Trump Towers in Muskovy and St. Petersburg, along with casinos and whatever other business interests their compnies have. He can not legally sit at the helm of Trump businesses but who is to say what could be discussed over Sunday dinner?

          2. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Dale me luvvie, l upvoted u babe.

          3. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I agree
            Bumsey was a good man, but my personal fav was Hillary. Shame she was mentally unfit to run USA. If she was healthy, she wld make a nice pressie. And shame that Russian hackers were given a opportunity to vote Drumpf in.

          4. Avatar Eolone says:

            Hate arguing with a sop, but here goes. Hillary was mentally fit to be president, though I dislike what she and her husband stood for. The Democrat party will be better without them. Her health too was ok.

          5. Avatar туфтуф says:

            She had some health problems resembling epilepsy petit mal.

          6. Avatar Eolone says:

            It was reported to be the flu.

          7. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Flu rarely, nigh never resembles petit mal.

          8. Avatar туфтуф says:

            But she didplayed symptoms of petit mal epilepsy. Plus she handled secret docs incompetently. That is why she was discarded.

          9. Avatar Alex George says:

            Ah yes… Hilary was “discarded”. Because according to you, US presidents are selected in the Kremlin, or perhaps in “Dark State” offices, right? Actual voting results have nothing at all to do with it!

            ;o)

          10. Avatar туфтуф says:

            No. She was simply ill. And handled gvt classified info itresponsibly. CIA says that Russian hackers influenced the election. Then again, intel agencies often lead disinformation campaigns and commit false flags. Trump wants to reopen the 9/11. He s playing with fire, but seems to be totally fearless. Thank God that finally the great American nation has a man, not a wimp or incompetent Hitlery for president.

        5. Avatar туфтуф says:

          Moreover, Libya was one of the most socially just and developed countries. Shame Russia didnt help Gaddafi like it helped Assad.

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            Except it wasn’t, was it? Libya was repressive, and it exported terrorism. No doubt you were laughing and cheering as the TV brought the news of the airliner blown out of the sky by Libyan secret services?

          2. Avatar туфтуф says:

            U trust tv? Lolz.

          3. Avatar Alex George says:

            Oh now this does get sadly funny – so according to you Lockerbie didn’t happen? No plane was blown out of the sky by Libyan intelligence operatives. They weren’t later surrendered by Libya and they did not serve lengthy prison terms in Scotland for their crimes. And Libya didn’t promote numerous other acts of terrorism in the West etc etc. But then why should that surprise? Those who support Putin are always ready to lie.

          4. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Gadafi was framed. Have u heard of false flags? Navy Seals? Google those 2 expressions.

          5. Avatar Alex George says:

            Sure he was, it was all a CIA plot, wasn’t it?

            Because that is the only way you can get around the inconvenient fact that dear Gaddafi promoted terrorism for many years. Just as Putin does now.

          6. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Every powerful nation promotes terrorism. Thats why l think it wasnt libia.

          7. Avatar Alex George says:

            No, they don’t. That is just an excuse used by those who do promote terrorism.

            But thanks for admitting that Russia does promote terrorism.

          8. Avatar туфтуф says:

            US created isis. Is that not promoting terror?

    2. Avatar туфтуф says:

      Bumsey gave nothing. He was a wimp. Good that the Russian hackers elected a man to run the most powerful country in the world.

      1. Avatar Alex George says:

        Oh, did Russian hackers elect Trump? Do tell.

        And yes, Obama gave Putin chances. Stronger men give weaker men chances. Putin is a weaker man, not jsut in his character, but in his weak nation.

        1. Avatar туфтуф says:

          Are we trolling e o? We re talking nonsense. Lolz

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            No, just asking a question: You say that: “Russian hackers elected a man to run the most powerful country in the world.” So, please give us the details – when and how did that happen?

            Its clear they tried to influence the election (but then, anyone with a basic knowledge about Russian habits under Putin would expect them to TRY). But even the Democrats are not claiming that they had any success.

            However now you tell us the Russians under your hero Putin caused the election of Trump. Please – share the details!

          2. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Its all open source. I said the Firm has proofs.

  7. Avatar Eolone says:

    In looking for some information, I landed on cnsnews; and in the comments section there was my moniker and, easily obtained, my posts, here, at euromaidanpress. Is this part of the disqus package? cnsnews is conservative slanted news.

    On the domestic front, Trump will continue to lie, as he did this morning at the CIA meeting, in which he said that the media lied about his knocks on the intelligence community. This evening, Sean Spicer, too attacker the media and put out a lie of his own, regarding the size of the attendance at the inauguration. Simply, Trump can’t be trusted.

    On the foreign scene, I agree with the analysis, forgot where I read it, that, as in the Middle East and Central Asia right now, Putin is acting and negotiating; this will cause Trump to react instead of lead on issues.

    1. Avatar Eolone says:

      My bad run-on sentence and other gaffes. That should be: “Spicer, too, attacked….”

      1. Avatar laker48 says:

        Guess, who cares about you lies?

        1. Avatar Eolone says:

          Perhaps there’s a language difficulty. Maybe you understand a gaffe to be a lie. That is incorrect. A gaffe is any kind of blunder; in my case, grammatical errors. Or maybe you think that what I wrote is all lies.

          1. Avatar laker48 says:

            Do you remember the jeers and insults accompanying the election of the late Ronald Reagan President? I certainly do. After 11 years the infamous memory Soviet Union aka the evil empire was no more. It won’t take this time 11 years to enjoy an encore performance of the 1991 Soviet play. Mark my words! Trump does mean business and he’s got all the tools to do it. RuSSia has next to nothing to offer America.

          2. Avatar Eolone says:

            One thing concerning what Russia has to offer Trump is the nuclear arms deals. But Trump has much to offer Russia. Their analysts perusing the inaugural speech would find that Trump is giving Russia a free hand in their sphere of influence. These are Trump’s words, whether or not he understands the significance of those words:

            “We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world — but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first.”

            The collapse of the Soviet Union was an economic one, the problems predating Reagan. Gorbachev’s laying down his policy of non-intervention in eastern Europe was the start of those nations going their own way. Poland was first. It has nothing to do with Reagan. Reagan built up the military. Gorbachev refused to do the same.

            Any protester who assaulted Reagan, like the one in 1992, was dealt with by the law. Otherwise, protests are a First Amendment right.

            As for Trump, Michael Reagan said: “If my father were anything like Donald Trump, Nancy never would have married him, let alone vote for him.”

          3. Avatar laker48 says:

            “One thing concerning what Russia has to offer Trump is the nuclear arms deals.”
            Putin has already said that would be none. End of the story. I don’t expect any charity extended by Trump to RuSSia.

          4. Avatar Eolone says:

            I read the report here about Russia’s refusal. The actions of the Russia can be interpreted differently. It first dangled the arms deal to a neophyte administration to get its attention: “This is what we have to barter with”. Take this a step further. Russia has an aging part of its arsenal it would willingly exchange for Crimean recognition. Next, Russia withdraws the offer. This is not necessarily the end of the deal. Why would it bring the issue in the first place if there were no endgame? It knows Trump is obsessive and doesn’t like “no”. So, how will he react? Will he chase after Russia’s increasingly hardball deal? Russia swapping aging, obsolete arms for what it wants?

          5. Avatar laker48 says:

            If you think Trump is stupid, you’re dead wrong. Trump has just fully reconciled with the CIA.

          6. Avatar Alex George says:

            That’s probably an exaggeration.

            Not that it matters. The CIA, like the President, serves the USA.

          7. Avatar Eolone says:

            Trump is stupid enough to plan to move the US embassy to Jerusalem. He is stupid enough to deliver an inaugural speech directed mainly at his supporters.

            The Russian missiles require modernization around every ten years.

            Anyway, I hope the intelligence agencies can get into his mind. I hope your version comes out.

          8. Avatar Brent says:

            Any “deal”” with the Kremlin Mafia is meaningless while they are in power. The Budapest Memorandum meant nothing to them, and they have already violated the 1987 I.N.F. Treaty and the NEW START Treaty.

            https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/20/world/europe/russia-missiles-inf-treaty.html?_r=0

            http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/09/russia-improperly-eliminating-nukes-violating-treaty-with-us/

          9. Avatar WisconsinUSA says:

            gorbachev didn’t have the money to build up his military.

          10. Avatar laker48 says:

            And he lost almost all his medium range missiles trained on western-European targets in the May 13, 1984 Severomorsk navy base fire. He couldn’t replace them, as the Soviet manufacturing facilities making them had been dismantled pursuant to the START Treaty. http://redbannernorthernfleet.blogspot.ca/2008/05/soviet-naval-disaster-of-day.html

          11. Avatar WisconsinUSA says:

            I learned something new every day. Thank you sir.

          12. Avatar laker48 says:

            You’re welcome! 🙂

          13. Avatar Eolone says:

            “refused” was a poor choice of word. Yes, the economic conditions went against the Russians.

          14. Avatar Mykola Banderachuk says:

            you are wrong—russia has the best hookers in the world for the world.

          15. Avatar laker48 says:

            LOL! And the best mail order brides.

          16. Avatar Brent says:

            Don’t forget about Russia’s mafia…I think they are World Class too!!!

          17. Avatar Greg says:

            Trump is a fool and each time he speaks he reveals how much of a fool he is. However he may stand against Russia, or may may not. Trump is all about trump, no other decision is as important to him than how he benefits directly. Trump refuses to release his tax returns because he knows it will show many lies. He lies as much as Putin. He is not much of a business man either being bankrupt 4 times I believe. His father rescued him many times. anyone who stumbles in business and can receive from his father $10 or $30 million each time would eventually make some deals that will benefit them.

            Trump is sad story on the USA politician system. Putin loves this as it helps to bring the USA down to Russia’s level. The USA will be challenged as never before with deciding to charge Trump with treason or many other crimes. It will be interesting to watch as the story unfolds. Sadly however much damage will be done by Trump.

            Fascism has come to the USA how will the nation react? trump like Putin cannot handle the truth and he will never admit a mistake, he will blame others always!

          18. Avatar laker48 says:

            So what? Trump is the president of the USA and you cannot do anything about it but barking, growling and howling. If you listened to his inauguration speech carefully enough, you could infer that he’s planning to run for re-election. Throwing insults wont change his policies that will for sure not be good for RuSSia and Ukraine, albeit he will likely release US deadly weapon shipments to the latter. Releasing as generous as Obama’s US financial help is much less likely, though. He doesn’t need RuSSia to fight China’s economic and military expansion. The only “if” is his potential prevention of Balkanisation of the fascist RuSSian Federation, but my bet is that he will let the bankrupt RuSSia fall and won’t throw it any lifeline.

          19. Avatar Alex George says:

            Reagan was far more popular than Trump is, on every level. There is no comparison between them.

        2. Avatar Andrew says:

          You ought to know about LYING!!! :))

          Wanna see me post some of yours, you nasty LYING
          polak LESBIAN? :))

          Well? 🙂

          I can do that as you very well know! 😉

          1. Avatar laker48 says:

            LOL! Got day pass from your mental institution again?

          2. Avatar Andrew says:

            NOT a direct or HONEST reply, is it now you LYING SCUMBAG POLAK?

            Have not LYING POLAK YOU, told the trolls,
            that their previous LYING, barred acceptance of their subsequent
            submissions?

            Equally applicable to you, is it not?
            AND YOU DO — LIE!!!
            Being “careful” — to buttress such. with “extra detail” :)))

            Equally false of course!

            Hmm… Polaks INDEED are the same scum as Ruski…

          3. Avatar Alex George says:

            He’s a lesbian? So… he likes women? How deviant!

          4. Avatar Andrew says:

            that polak is an amti-Uke LIAR …

            A LYING —– hypocrite —– would be accurate.

            For a LIAR to REPEATEDLY accuse OTHERS of LYING …. is … hmm … “amusing”.

          5. Avatar Alex George says:

            Well, you could be right. Not sure about the lesbian bit however. ;o)

          6. Avatar Andrew says:

            I am right.
            Most blatant Uke hatred was his other disqus profile.

            Though even in this one, his older comment of, “.. ignorant Ukrainian hordes” annoyed me… I saved many pages of his “comments”.

            He keeps his posting profile is hidden.
            At least you are NOT anti-Uke.
            Seems to “think” Ukie HISTORY & Ukr. is to be CONTROLLED
            by polaks… he’s somewhat sneaky about it… When asked DIRECTLY about such, he denies it … yeah, sure, sure…

            His LYING & control-freak BS is THE “turn-off” for me.

            “Not sure about the lesbian bit however. ;o)”

            Bothers him…. 🙂

            You “know” me as Andrew Chmilewsky.
            This is another account,,,

            His — “laker48” — “detailed lying” — to give the APPEARANCE of credibility — also annoys me.

            I’ll change the “Andrew” to “Andrew Chmil” in awhile.

            My older ID is verboten here 🙂 ,,,, But trolls are allowed it appears…

    2. Avatar Brent says:

      I told my boss today my excuse for all things going forward is going to be “alternative facts” as KellyAnne Conway claimed in defence of Drumpf yesterday…..I think I’d better brush up on my resume because my boss isn’t as gullible as the 27% of actual eligible U.S. voters who voted for Drumpf….yes, that is the actual number of eligible U.S. voters who support him….

      But don’t tell Drumpf I said this because I am sure instead of dealing with Russia, North Korea, Syria and all the other crisis the U.S. is currently facing, Drumpf will instead attack me and use as being as overrated as Meryl Streep…..

    3. Avatar Alex George says:

      Hi Eolone, you can make your posts on Disqus private if you wish. Just go into your account and change the privacy settings.

      1. Avatar Eolone says:

        I understand disqus better now. I remember having to select three sites; but at present I don’t have any intention of wandering from here. Thank you for the information.

  8. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

    One cannot do deals with snakes like Putin. I have sometimes compared Putin to Heinrich Himmler. Both share the same dead expression, the same beady rodent eyes. Putin also has a ” final solution ” for Ukraine. It is for Ukraine to cease to exist, to be reabsorbed into the ruSSian state, to be ruled by Moscow forever. No thanks!

    There are not many uses for a Putin. The man refuses to create any political freedoms in ruSSia. ruSSia has no future under the Putin. The best thing to do with this obsolete assclown would be to strap him to a Soviet ICBM and launch the thing at Pyongyang. Get rid of two cockroaches with one swat!

    1. Avatar WisconsinUSA says:

      yippie yeye yay m.f.er . ride that pony puttie.

  9. Avatar туфтуф says:

    No one can make deals with P except comrade Xi.

    1. Avatar Alex George says:

      LOL Found that mythical Xinhua article that tells how Russia and China are allies yet?

      1. Avatar туфтуф says:

        Oh yes. And cia reports. Cnt share those coz they re classified.

        1. Avatar Alex George says:

          No, of course you can’t. Just like you can’t share any of the vest corpus of secret information that you possess. Nor the details of hundreds of important people that you claim to know.

          Okay old windbag, where the Xinhua report?

          1. Avatar туфтуф says:

            I told u, gimme ur e mail and l will serve them on a plate. But know l ll be knowing the name of ur town. No veiled threats here, am a peaceful man. Dnt be scared.

          2. Avatar Alex George says:

            LOL … Do not worry, I don’t find you in the least threatening, nor convincing.

            So far you haven’t been able to share even a single fact out of the hundreds of special relationships and special knowledge you have asserted, so no, you won;t have any “:classified files” to share either. ;o)

          3. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Not rhe xin hua link. Pics, names, addresses, docs etc.

          4. Avatar Alex George says:

            No indeed, not the mythical Xinhua link, which nobody has seen, nor ever will! ;o)

          5. Avatar туфтуф says:

            Ok. Will find it. Only for u cus l like u. I generally enjoy teasing inferiors. Bad man l am. Lolz