Wagging the finger: where the West fails to understand Ukraine

‘East and west together!’ This photography project, popularized by hromadske.tv (an internet TV station) through its Facebook page, plays on common stereotypes: a girl in national dress represents the west of Ukraine, and a girl in working dress represents the east. Both, however, sport the colours of the country’s flag.

‘East and west together!’ This photography project, popularized by hromadske.tv (an internet TV station) through its Facebook page, plays on common stereotypes: a girl in national dress represents the west of Ukraine, and a girl in working dress represents the east. Both, however, sport the colours of the country’s flag. 

Op-ed

Article by: Adrian Bonenberger

I grew up in the West, where few people know much about Ukraine. In the USA—my home country—most people grow up thinking Ukraine is a part of Russia. They call it “The Ukraine.” If they have grandparents from Kyiv or Odesa, they say “my grandparents emigrated from Russia,” or describe their ethnicity as “Russian.” Ukraine is a footnote in Western history books—a part of various empires, history without a nation.

Maybe this is why most Westerners, when they come to Ukraine, fail to understand the culture. They don’t see Ukraine’s cultural evolution in its proper context, because the historical lens is skewed. What happens instead is one (or both) of two things. First, Westerners tend to echo Soviet-era propaganda—Ukraine has always been part of Russia, it’s within Russia’s sphere of influence, Ukrainian is an invented language, Ukraine is a fake country. Second, Westerners tend to make claims about Ukrainians and Eastern Europeans that would in any other context be described as racist. The two places where this is most conspicuous is when it comes to Western discussions of corruption, and of how Ukraine values human life and treats its civilians.

Maybe this is why most Westerners, when they come to Ukraine, feel entitled to lecture Ukrainians about how to be good global citizens.

Ukrainians understand their own history fairly well—certainly no worse than any other country’s citizens, and better than many (including citizens of the USA who routinely begin their country’s history in the early 17th century with the arrival of the Pilgrims). There aren’t serious consequences for Westerners (British, Americans, Germans, Italians, French, and etc.) being ignorant about the various struggles and ordeals of Ukrainians over the centuries—it’s all part of the same broad, dismissive hand-wave Westerners normally assign to the Middle East, Africa, and countries from Ukraine all the way up to Finland. “What’s their history?” “Ah—I dunno. Russia. That whole Russia thing.”

Ukrainians are accustomed to this ignorance, and are eager to share the many important ways their country’s history diverges from Russia’s. Ukrainians appreciate that old feeling of kinship with the other Europeans they resemble, physically and culturally—it reminds them that Russia is a very recent part of Ukraine’s history, and reassures them that the antipathy with which they view that association is well-founded. They are so eager to please Western Europeans, in fact, that they lose sight of an important if not overwhelming historical fact—that Europe abandoned them in the 20th century. Once if you look at the outcome of World War One and the British, French, and American failure to protect Ukraine and Kyiv from the Soviet Red Army. Twice if you consider how World War Two played out. Three times if you count the Budapest Memorandum—and you should. You should definitely count that.

What Ukrainians aren’t accustomed to is thinking, really believing that they have a moral leg to stand on.

They’re so used to being called “little brother” by Russians, and dismissed as antisemites (by Jewish refugees who only remember what the Ukrainians they encountered did in the concentration camps) or fascists (by Europeans who remember only what some Ukrainians did in WWII) that they’ve developed an inferiority complex of epic proportions. Their inferiority is so powerful, runs so deep, that it never even occurs to most Ukrainians that they actually have the upper hand—that, like Israel, they can hold history over the heads of the safe, comfortable Europeans and Americans who are so eager to criticize Ukraine.

It’s time that Ukrainians recognize and embrace the fact that were it not for their suffering, the burden they bore for eighty years, it’s likely that the Red Army would have washed over Austria and Germany in 1919. Had it not been for their frequent and fervent rebellions from 1944-1954—the war they fought with Poland and with Russia, in which tens of thousands died, and hundreds of thousands deported—that Central Europe would have groaned under the yoke of totalitarian tyranny much earlier (in the case of Hungary and Czechoslovakia) and Western Europe might not have survived.

Western Europeans and Americans that never had to contend with the Iron Curtain don’t even know what Ukraine’s suffering did to protect them. They are blissfully ignorant.

So the next time an American or Western European decides to lecture a Ukrainian about the choices Ukraine makes in its present moment or about its complicated history, instead of attempting to justify or defend it, Ukrainians should simply say “well, if you hadn’t abandoned us three times in the 20th century, maybe we wouldn’t have these problems. Oh, and by the way—what exactly have you done for us lately? Nothing? Yeah, thanks for that. Sorry—continue with what you were saying before.”
Адриан БоненбергерAdrian Bonenberger is a writer and Army veteran living in Ukraine. His accomplishments include publication in the New York Times, Washington Post, Foreign Policy, and not believing obvious Russian propaganda.


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  • bornawake

    Good article BUT… please stop wagging the finger at ME, Adrian Bonenberger
    – sic – “It’s time that Ukrainians recognize and embrace the fact that
    were it not for their suffering… blah blah blah blah blah.”

    Blame the school history textbook publishers, The New York Times
    (& all other news sources), The History Channel, Hollywood etc as portraying
    Ukraine as THE Ukraine and the Nazis (never Russian Bolsheviks) as being
    the only ones to commit heinous crimes against humanity.
    The genocide of Ukrainians never ended!!!

    • Jim Kovpak

      Hollywood doesn’t portray the Bolsheviks in a negative light? Do you even watch any movies?

      • zorbatheturk

        Bolshevics are not as telegenic as Nazis.

      • M W

        Yeah, but most Americans just lump the Bolsheviks, Russians, and Ukrainians, etc as all the same and Hollywood does nothing to help avoid this.

        • Rob Hansen

          Bandera was not personally part of the genocide the evidence clearly shows that Bandera had nothing to do with it …
          BANDERA WAS a prisoner (POW) of war when the massacre in Volhynia happened..so how is Bandera responsible ????

          The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists under the leadership of Stepan Bandera decided to fight against the Hitler after they was arrested in 1941.

          Now that is NOT much collaboration now is it…. AND THAT IS WHY Stepan Bandera was arrested by the GERMANS and sent to Sachsenhausen concentration camp…
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

          The Germen high command in Ukriane sent a memo saying that all functionaries of the Bandera Movement must be arrested at once and, after thorough interrogation, are to be liquidated…”.

          On July 5, Bandera was arrested and transferred to Berlin.

          On July 12, the president of the newly formed Ukrainian state, Yaroslav Stetsko, was also arrested and taken to Berlin. In January 1942,

          Bandera was transferred to Sachsenhausen concentration camp’s special barrack for high-profile political prisoners Zellenbau

          Bandera was in a German KZ camp Sachsenhausen concentration camp from 1941-1944

          NOW if you are sent to a KZ camp YOU ARE NOT a friend of Hitler are you AND IF YOU ARE inn a concentration camp from 1941 to the end of 1944 YOU can not be held responsible for the Volhynia massacre that happened in 1943 !!!!
          AND LETS US ALSO NOT FORGET THAT MORE AND MORE new evidence is coming to light saying that it was NKVD dressed up as UPA /OUN that did the massacre in Volhynia in 1943.. But this is still not 100% proven yet,,,,

    • M W

      I agree… for me as an American with some Ukrainian roots who also loves Israelis. I have to say Stalin is worse by far. He killed my Ukrainian brothers and sisters and many of my Jewish friends (historically speaking). I know most Jews say Stalin is second worst person after Hitler, but for me it is the other way around. Either way, both were very evil people who killed many good people.

  • Jim Kovpak

    This is easily one of the stupidest articles I’ve ever read. Starts out good, then goes full retard with this self-righteous masturbation. It sounds like the kind of nonsense spouted by Polish ultra-nationalists, who also claim to have saved Europe (3 times in fact).

    Perhaps Adrian is getting these ideas by hanging out with certain Ukrainians who are less connected with material reality, or he is, as many Westerners often do, projecting his own poorly formed ideas onto them.

    Ukraine doesn’t need Western cheerleaders bringing self-righteous, laughably pretentious narratives, particularly this one with its ridiculously obvious Jesus metaphor. What it needs from foreigners is reasonable, objective observations, and most of all- real criticism where it is needed (and believe me, it is needed).

    That is how you help Ukraine, not by flattery and patronizing fairy tales. I truly hope Adrian will find another country through the struggles of which he can live vicariously, preferably one that has nothing to do with my heritage. I hear South Sudan’s currently suffering from the pressure of their northern neighbors. There’s a good cause to take up. Truly the South Sudanese suffer for the sake of all of us!

    • WorldCommenter

      What Ukraine needs is military and international diplomatic support to kick the chauvinist Russians out of Crimea and eastern Ukraine (Donbas – Donetsk and Luhansk).

      He is correct about Europeans and Americans not understanding Eastern European history and the lack of understanding of Russian intentions to control that part of the world since the Tsars.

      • Jim Kovpak

        A lack of understanding doesn’t mean Westerners should remedy that by adopting this bizarre myth. I found his narrative patronizing and laughably ahistorical.

        • Bo Mychajliw

          How much “understanding” does it take when Ukrainian ex-President Yanukovich goes against the efforts of the Ukrainian Parliament and the Ukrainian people to join the Russian based Eurasian Union after a “quick” 24 lecture from Putin in Sochi?
          How much “understanding” does it take when Putin himself admitted that the “little green men” in Crimea were Russian Special Forces troops. What would the USA do if Mexican Special Forces Troops appeared out side police stations, military bases. government buildings and communications locations in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas?
          How much “understanding” does it take when the initial “leaders” of the “pro-Russian terrorists” in eastern Ukraine were all Russian citizens from Moscow and most had covert KGB, GRU or FSB backgrounds?

        • Lesya Ukrainka

          How many times you going to say this.

  • Jim Kovpak

    I think I should also take some time to point out a few lies in this article:

    “First, Westerners tend to echo Soviet-era propaganda—Ukraine has always been part of Russia, it’s within Russia’s sphere of influence, Ukrainian is an invented language, Ukraine is a fake country. ”

    Read the link where it says “echo Soviet-era propaganda.” Note that it does not say anything about the four points the author follows it with. In other words, the author basically put words in Cohen’s mouth. Gee…What’s that other country whose media is known for grossly misrepresenting the content of authors’ work? Err…Starts with an R. Uh…Reunion? No. Rwanda? No…Ruuuu….RUS…Crap I can’t remember!

    ” The two places where this is most conspicuous is when it comes to Western discussions of corruption, and of how Ukraine values human life and treats its civilians.”

    Follow the link he uses here as well. Does the author actually dispute anything in either of those articles? Nope. He just implies that they’re “lecturing” Ukraine. Well I’m very sorry but a certain movement in 2013-2014 said they want to be like “Europe,” more Western. Personally I’m not sure the West lives up to its own values very well these days, but it you want to be included in the West you have to make the cut. Complaining about this kind of scrutiny is no different than the Russians wanting to be “part of the club” and then whining when members of the club point at their poor human rights record.

    “Ukrainians understand their own history fairly well—certainly no worse than any other country’s citizens, and better than many (including citizens of the USA who routinely begin their country’s history in the early 17th century with the arrival of the Pilgrims). ”

    No, I’m sorry but many Ukrainians, like many Americans, don’t know dick about their history. In the case of Ukrainians, they have an excuse because many of them had to deal with Soviet education, but then the remedy to that Soviet education hasn’t really been an improvement but rather just “Whatever is the opposite of what the Soviets said must be true.”

    Perhaps the author was ignorant of Ukrainian history prior to moving there, talked to some random people, and suddenly decided that he had an edge on the rest of Western society.

    Anyway, there’s a reason why I refer to this site as “Ukraine’s Russia Insider” and this article is a good example. Once again, Ukraine doesn’t need these cheerleaders with flattering narratives kissing people’s asses and making them feel good about themselves. Ukraine needs sober reality. Let Russia wallow in self-serving delusions.

    • Tony

      “Ukraine has always been part of Russia, it’s within Russia’s sphere of influence, Ukrainian is an invented language, Ukraine is a fake country.”

      The source may have been poor but these points are often parroted by rus-bots. Also, unfortunately its quite well known (just ask random people where Ukraine came from, they will say russia) that westerners widely hold the first misconception. Also the second one to a degree, but I think the other two arent so strong though.

      The article also brings up another point of irritation, “The Ukraine”, unfortunatley many westerns are convinced by the russian explanation of the word “Ukraine” being “the borderlands” (of russia according to their suggestion).
      Check the top comments on reddit here:
      https://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/1zhb30/ysk_there_is_no_word_for_the_in_the_ukrainian/

      “The name Ukraine actually comes from the Russian word край ”
      The upvoted commentator goes on to say
      “Край means literally “the edge”. So “The Ukraine” refers to “The border region””
      thereby reinforcing the misconception that Ukraine is a breakaway part of russia.

      Yet:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine
      “The oldest mention of the word ukraina dates back to the year 1187”

      russia didnt even exist back in 1187 (muscovy started like 13th century) and for some reason the commentator fails to mention (and none of the up-voters corrected him) that the “U” in front of krajn means “in/within”. i.e the complete word means “in/within country/border”, or in other words Kievan-Rus refereed to “Ukraine” as the land within its borders, makes sense and quite different to the chauvinistic “borderlands” interpretation. I also find it strange that people consult russian interpretations on the meaning of Ukraine, perhaps people mistakenly think they are going back to “the source”.

      Anyway one can verify this in google translate:
      https://translate.google.com/#uk/en/%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B0

      (it will try to auto correct, click on “Translate instead У країна Україна” for intended result )

      • Jim Kovpak

        “The source may have been poor but these points are often parroted by rus-bots. Also, unfortunately its quite well known (just ask random people where Ukraine came from, they will say russia) that westerners widely hold the first misconception. Also the second one to a degree, but I think the other two arent so strong though.”

        The problem is that the link in question had absolutely nothing to do with such claims. Russian media constantly references articles and then totally distorts what they say.

        As for the term borderland, I have heard arguments on both sides (and frankly do not care), but no, borderland does not imply that it was a breakaway region of Russia. Borderland is an apt description of a land that separated several different empires of very different cultures.

        In any case, the definition of words or foreign grammatical conventions (like “the Ukraine”) do not determine the sovereignty of a country.

        “and for some reason the commentator fails to mention (and none of the up-voters corrected him) that the “U” in front of krajn means “in/within”. i.e the complete word means “in/within country/border”,”

        I failed to mention it because that has nothing to do with the point I am making. I’m simply sick of Western wellwishers coming to Ukraine, often with no background knowledge of their own, and then falling so in love with the country that they somehow think they’re helping by inventing a ridiculous, patronizing narrative that thankfully no sane Ukrainian has seriously tried to advance (unlike certain Poles or Russians). Many times such Westerners are young and idealistic, but this gentleman is simply too old to fall for such fantasies.

        And what is not dishonest linking and patronizing fairy tales in this article is just plain old whataboutism. Is that what we need more of in Eastern Europe?

        If I neglected one important issue, he claims that the way Westerners write about corruption in Ukraine could be considered racist. No, it actually couldn’t. There certainly are racist portrayals of Ukrainians and Slavs in general, but when it comes to endemic corruption this is simply a fact. Yes, there has been notable progress since 2014, but there is still a long way to go. Pointing out corruption in a country is not racist.

        Apparently this Westerner, who just happens to TRULY understand Ukraine (after who knows how much time there), thinks he is somehow serving Ukraine by babying Ukrainians and protecting them from things like taking responsibility for their present condition. Do you know what you get when you treat people that way? Look at Russia, where infantilism is the state ideology.

      • slavko

        У КРАЇНІ (U kraine) means within the homeland. The borderland [email protected] from the Polish and Russian centric translation, is only a way of detracting from the truth. In fact, both Poland and Russia are truly the borderlands, as they are away from the center of the Slavic world… Kyiv. Hence the battle for Kyiv continues after centuries. No one should misinterpret the historical motivations of Polish and Russian empires to dominate Ukraine.

      • Rob Hansen

        PART 1 OF 2
        RUSSIANS ARE NOT SLAVIC IT IS A MYTH !!!

        The facts are the facts !!! even if RuSSians don’t like it it is still DNA and it is hard core evidence, Russians don’t like the truth the truth is the truth like it or not … it is a fact !!!

        Russians don’t like the truth but the truth is the truth like it or not … it is a fact !!!

        Russians are no more Slavic then the Finnish are ethnic Scandinavian even if Finland is in Scandinavia they are NOT ethnic Scandinavians like Norwegians, Danish and Swedish people… in-fact they are Finno-Ugric and related ethnically to Hungarians and Estonians..

        Take a look at this map and you will see even today the Finno-Ugric tribes are 90% in what today is Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_peoples#/media/File:Fenno-Ugrian_people.png

        Russians er nothing more then confused descendants of Finno-Ugric tribes that assimilated with Mongolians, back in the day… when the golden horde controlled all of what is todays Russian lands …Russians must have some sort of dimwit Syndrome thinking they are from Ukrainian Kiev Russ and Slavic background..

        The DNA study of today’s so called Russians shows that the historical facts are that Russians are Mongoloid / Finno-Ugric descendants and NOT Slavic like Ukrainians and Polish people …

        The DNA evidence proves that Russians with out a doubt are Mongoloid / Finno-Ugric descendants ..

        Mongolian blood in Russians see link

        THE R1a explanation for dummy’s Russians have is R1a-Z93 and is the main Asian branch of R1a.

        Western and Northern European and also western Ukrainians have R1a -Z284 falls under the root R1a1a1* (M417), and Russians have the R1a1q-M458 ( Finno Ugric ) and the Y-DNA (paternal) haplogroup R1a-Z93 (Mongolian )…

        So this proves Russians are of Asian and Finno Ugric NOT Western Europeans..

        The name ‘Moskovia’ where todays Russia really comes from .. is the key for proper understanding… up until the early 1700s, most maps, government documents and all other records throughout the territory of present-day Russia proclaimed themselves “Moskovia” (Muscovy). All the people considered themselves Moskovites. But Russians like Peter the Great trying to kick-start their country into contemporary Europe, Peter the Great searched for a more imposing pedigree (the word “Moscow” means “swampy or dark waters” in the ancient Finno-Ugric language). (Most of that area around Moscow and even todays St Petersburg was back them swamp lands..

        Russians er nothing more then Mongolians with Down Syndrome thinking they are from Kiev Russ and Slavic background when the DNA study of today’s so called Russians shows that the historical facts are they they are Mongoloid / Finno-Ugric descendents and NOT Slavic…

        The Y-DNA Haplogroup N confirming their Uralic origin and Mongolian origin Y-DNA (paternal) haplogroup R1a-Z93 and is the main Asian branch of R1a. and its offshoots are very common and the dominant gen among Russian men.

        Studies have found the ethnic Russian frequency of R1a high as 62.7 percent, with an average of 46.7% of Russians in the “Russia-DNA Project” include R1a1, R1a1a, R1a1a1g, and R1a1a1g2.

        HER IS SOME MORE EVIDENCE THAT RUSSIANS ARE NOT SLAVIC AND ARE INFACT FINNO-UGRIC/ SAMI MIX WITH MONGOLIANS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hOgIeNfu1Y

        Mongolian blood in Russians
        SEE LINK
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmiYqpT0zrE

        Mongols founded Russia or Muscovy (1328)
        SEE LINK
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ChVHBLMgCU

        Mongols established Mighty Russia
        SEE LINK
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpn5_DICw5I

        Russia, the successor of Mongol Empire
        SEE LINK
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vIU6EyPPZY

        RuSSian myth about Ukraine and Crimea

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMgjYetl4pQ

        Mongols founded Russia or Muscovy (1328)

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ChVHBLMgCU

        See link how Russia hijacked Ukrainian history

        http://www.euromaidanpress.com/2014/05/14/how-moscow-hijacked-the-history-of-kyivan-rus/

        • Rob Hansen

          PART 2 OF 2
          According to a 2008 study, the mitochondrial lines of the Hungarians Finno-Ugric tribes are indistinct from that of neighboring Slavs like Polish and Ukrainians !!!

          A recent study has found that haplogroup NO of the Finno-Ugric peoples and their descendants probably spread to todays Russia from Northern China about 12,000–14,000 years ago.

          Take a look at the facts about The exonym “Hungarian” comes from “Ugor”.in 895 The Magyars/Hungarians belonged to the Onogur tribal alliance, and it is possible that they became its ethnic majority The Hungarian people refer to themselves by the demonym “Magyar” rather than “Hungarian”. “Magyar” is Finno-Ugric from the Old Hungarian “mogyër”. “Magyar” possibly derived from the name of the most prominent Hungarian tribe, the “Megyer”. The tribal name “Megyer” became “Magyar” in reference to the Hungarian people as a whole

          Anthropologically, the type of Magyars of the conquest phase shows similarity to that of the Andronovo people, in particular of the Sarmatian groups around the southern Urals. The Turanid (South-Siberian) and the Uralid types from the Europo-Mongoloids were dominant among the conquering Hungarians .. And this is the same as you will find in Russians finish today !!!

          According to a 2008 study, the mitochondrial lines of the Hungarians are clearly indistinct from that of neighboring Slavs like Ukrainians and Polish people ..

          The Hungarians like the Finish are of the same as Magyars what we today call Hungarian. (Magyar” is Finno-Ugric ) Four 10th century skeletons from well documented cemeteries in Hungary of ancient Magyar individuals were sampled. Two of the four males belonged to Y-DNA Haplogroup N confirming their Finno-Ugric origin that proves and supports the historical clams that todays Finish and Hungarians come from Turanid (South-Siberian) and lived around what we today call norther and eastern part of Russia ..

          The Finno-Ugric peoples are any of several peoples of Eurasia who speak languages of the Finno-Ugric group Karelians, Finns, Udmurts and Komis. The traditional area of the indigenous Sami people is in Northern Finland and the Kola Peninsula in Northwest Russia and is known as Sápmi. Some other Finno-Ugric peoples have autonomous republics in Russia: Karelians (Republic of Karelia), Komi (Komi Republic), Udmurts (Udmurt Republic), Mari (Mari El Republic), and Mordvins (Moksha and Erzya; Republic of Mordovia).

          German anthropologist J. F. Blumenbach compared Finnish, Sami (the Arctic reindeer herders) and Mongolian skulls and concluded that the Finns were ‘mongoloid’ and not ‘white’ like the Swedes or Finland’s Swedish-speaking aristocracy. This was widely accepted and led to the Turanian theory – that both the Finns and Sami had originally come from the East – as well as strengthening the view, according to Finland-Swede sociologist Nina af Enehjelm, that Finns were somehow ‘other’..

          He found that Sami, Estonian, Hungarian were from the same family but so were a series of languages across Siberia such as Komi and Mari. And even languages like Mongolian seemed to have a similar grammatical structure. This led to the ‘Migration Theory,’ the Finno-Ugric peoples arrived in Europe from Mongolia around three thousand years ago and finally got to what to day is Finland and northern part of Russia. The more recent discovery of genetics has added further evidence to the ‘Mongol’ claim. Geneticist Richard Kittles found in 1998 that Finns have ‘Dual Origins’ between Finno-Ugric and Mongoloid as measured by their ‘Y Chromosome Haplotype Variation.’ Other geneticists estimated that Finno-Ugric have between 10 percent and a quarter mongoloid genes..

          And in 2003, Slovenian geneticist Andrej Marusic observed that the Finnish and Russian propensity to alcoholism could be explained by the Mongolian ADH22 gene ‘which is common in Eastern peoples but almost unheard of Europe.’

          Vladimir Lenin may have had Mordvin ancestry. There is a belief that President Vladimir Putin of Russia is potentially of Finno-Ugric Vepsian ancestry..

          failures by Russians to never real get out it backward ways I think you can assigned to being “too Finish Urgic Mogoliish “ – meaning, primitive, backwards, culturally un-European.

          When Russians attempt to define their own race and assert that they are European it just comes over as false, and as fare as todays scientific research goes, we can now conclude with certainty, Russian are not white europeans it is a myth !!!

          Russians try too claim they are something they are not i!! Russians are NOT Western European (Russians have claim to be for a long time it goes back to Peter the great wish to be a European nation ) but it is nothing but a myth a type of fake nationalistic, myopic, backwardness , and unaccepting of objective truth that Russians are in-fact nothing more than dissidents of Finno-Ugric tribes that assimilated with Mongolians back when the land of Moskal ( northern Russia ) was annexes by the Mongolians and made it a part of the Golden Horde…

          (unlike the Real slavic people the Ukrainians and polish people that never assimilated with Mongolian occupiers )

          The Russian DNA is evidence that they are not white europeans. Testes of todays Russian males DNA have shows that they, like their ethnic brothers the Finnish people, share most of their chromosomes with the Chinese, and Mongolians (the Mongolian chromosomes ) just like the Finnish people do as well !! This has proven without a doubt that Russian are not European as they share their DNA with the Mongolians and the study also shows that no other Europeans (with the exception of Finno-Ugric people) share those same chromosome structor with the Mongolians like Russians do !! ..And why is this you ask ..

          Answer… because Russians are Finno-Ugric people that assimilated with Mongolians and NOT white Europeans like Slavic or Germanic people are..

          Why is it so vitally important to find this proof you ask ?

          Answer… It shows a systematic falsification by Russia that started with Peter to falsify its history and links to Europe so Moscow can put down claim to the Kievan Russia history , cultural and lands !!

          What conclusion can we take out of all this data ??

          1. Russians are NOT slavic it is a myth !!
          2. Russians are closer genetically linked to Finno-Ugric and Mongolians
          3. Slavic people like polish and Ukrainians are not genetically linked to Finno-Ugric and Mongolians..
          4. Russians need to reevaluate their own history and except the facts that they are nothing genetically to do with slavic peoples heritage and therefor have no calm to slavic lands !!

    • Lesya Ukrainka

      You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts

    • Natalie Hursky

      So ironic, you’re missing the point of the entire article. Your comments underscore exactly what he’s trying to point out!

      While you failed to see the connection, I found the link to Josh Cohen’s article, “The Historian Whitewashing Ukraine’s Past”, to be SPOT ON. A perfect example of anti-Ukrainian propaganda! SO appropos to the text of this article! Cohen blames the Ukrainian historian Volodymyr Vyatrovych for revising decades (centuries) of Russian/Soviet lying and demonizing and demeaning, and finally bringing out the truth about Ukrainian history and giving credit to Ukrainian heroes.

      Here is a response to Cohen’s article:
      http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/05/04/92324/

  • Lesya Ukrainka

    How very true – thank you Adrian!

  • Anthony Papagallo

    with U.S taxpayers pouring a million bucks a day into Ukraine, a country the UN recently officially listed as ‘the most corrupt nation in europe’ Putin could ride a donkey naked through Kiev singing ‘we’ll rally round the flag boys’ and America would throw another million bucks into the Ukrainian money pit because there’s no sucker like an American taxpaying sucker.

    • Lesya Ukrainka

      And you know this how?

    • Alex George

      Firstly, if Putin wants to do that, he is going to have to get a much better army than the ramshackle mob he has got now.

      Secondly, you clearly don’t know much about the anglo-saxon nations. They operate in a completely different manner, which is why Vlad the Dwarf is so angry and kicking low holes in the Kremlin walls.

  • Titterling Langs

    “My grandparents came from Russia ( Kyiv and Odesa) ‘ and “my ethnicity is Russian” are usually statements uttered by many American Jews.

    There are several millions of them in NY/E. Coast with majority if them who came from the Russian Empire. Jews were marked as being of ” Hebrew ethnicity” way back in the USA, but their kids had erased it from the American censuses and, instead, they suddenly became “Poles” and “Russians” and “Germans”. They can only be such in America, though.

    • M W

      However, some Jews did identify as Ukrainian even when it was not profitable. At times it was better for Ukrainians to identify as Russian if they wanted to be successful. Nevertheless, there were a number of Jews who chose to write poetry and stories in Ukrainian and proudly held to the fact that they were Ukrainian Jews, We need to encourage this connection between Israelis and Ukrainians. With Israeli support the Ukrainian IT sector could really expand.

  • Titterling Langs

    It is not Soviet propaganda to call Ukraine “part of Russia”, In the Soviet times, it was a separate republic from Russia. If it was part of Russia, why did they not incorporate it into RSFSR?

  • George Knight

    Maybe, but the point is Ukraine doesn’t understand Ukraine either. Otherwise it would reduce corruption and seek political cooporation. But it does not. Don’t blame the messenger.

    • Alex George

      Why would that follow? You appear to think that reducing corruption is only a matter of “understanding”.

  • zorbatheturk

    Russia has been menacing Ukraine for centuries. The current specter hanging over Ukraine is Mr Putin. However Ukraine will ultimately be his nemesis, because there is no chance Ukrainians will ever give up independence to be dictated to from Moscow again. As for Ukraine’s identity, I don’t think many Westerners confuse it with Russia. There is a significant Ukrainian diaspora out there and they certainly do not see themselves as anything other than of Ukrainian origin.

  • Ben Skinner

    I much prefer the articles here when written by Ukrainian natives that have spent at least their formative years in Ukraine. I hold this preference not only for factual reports on events, but especially for any opinion or commentary regarding Ukraine. If I’m seeking a Ukrainian perspective to form a more honest worldview, an American one is not going serve that purpose, is it?
    While I do not have the proper Ukrainian understanding necessary to critique this article on it’s finer points, it is absolutely useless to me in forming such understanding.

  • M W

    The Jews are one of the few groups of people who have the necessary historical background to understand the Ukrainian people. I am not Jewish, but my love for Israel played a major role in awakening and strengthening my Ukrainian identity. Look at the Zionist Zeev Jabotinsky, a great Jew who defended the Ukrainian people. Ukrainians and Israelis need to settle the past and unite as we have much in common. Ukrainian-Israeli alliance, Unbeatable!

    • zlop

      Going forward, the past has to be accurately recognized.
      In the way is — Zionist control of his-story.

      The last thing one would suspect of my +-Jew relatives
      is being dishonest. However, by deceit, we are ruled.

    • Rob Hansen

      Bandera was not part of any genocide like Russia beloved Stalin was the evidence clearly shows that Bandera has never had anything to do with it any Genocide in ww2 or any other time in history, as Bandera was a prisoner of war (POW) from 1941-1944

      So if BANDERA WAS a prisoner of war (POW) how can Bandera be responsible for anything that happened in Ukraine or anywhere else for that matter ????

      The facts are that The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists under the leadership of Stepan Bandera decided to fight against the Hitler after the leadership and Bandera was arrested by the Nazis in 1941.

      Now that is NOT much collaboration now is it…??? . Why did Bandera get arrested by the Nazis you ask ??? Stepan Bandera was arrested by the NAZIS and sent to Sachsenhausen concentration camp…because he did NOT have any collaboration with the-nazis-now did he infact the Nazis did NOT see him and OUN -B as a partner that is a myth and leis that was invented by Moscow and used by communists in Poland to discredit OUN after www2 as OUN and UPA as they continue to fight the Polish and Russians communist until 1960s !!! Typical Moscow communist lefties propaganda always called anyone or anything fascist or Nazis that they do not like !!! they do this to discredit what ever it is they want gone !!

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

      The Germen high command in 1941 sent a memo saying that all functionaries of the Bandera Movement must be arrested at once and, after thorough interrogation, are to be liquidated…”.

      On July 5, Bandera was arrested and transferred to Berlin.

      On July 12, the president of the newly formed Ukrainian state, Yaroslav Stetsko, was also arrested and taken to Berlin.

      In January 1942, Bandera and Yaroslav Stetsko was transferred to Sachsenhausen concentration camp’s special barrack for high-profile political prisoners Zellenbau Bandera was in a German KZ camp Sachsenhausen concentration camp from 1941-1944

      NOW if you are sent to a KZ camp YOU ARE NOT a friend of Hitler are you AND IF YOU ARE inn a concentration camp from 1941 to the end of 1944 YOU can not be held responsible for the any war crimes or massacres that happened in ww2 ??? !!!!

      Role in the Ukrainian Insurgent Army formation and OUN..

      Many saw the germans as liberators from the Soviets in 1941 as Ukrainians had only 8 years before that experienced a mass genocide where the Soviet leader Stalin had killed 10 mill ethnic Ukrainians in Ukraine and in west Ukraine they Polish authorities had for years committed mass murder, human rights violations with its Polanazistion policies, therefore many Ukrainians saw at first Germany as a liberators when they came to Ukraine and especially because the fact the Germans was saying at the time that Berlin will except a free independent self governing Ukraine..This turns out to be a lie, and in the end of 1941 Bandera the leader of the independence movement in Ukraine got arrested by the Gestapo After the ONU PROCLAIMED A UKRAINIAN STATEHOOD with a Ukrainian state as an independent state without the permission from Berlin ..

      When Bandera got arrested by the Gestapo in 1941 many members of the OUN was left without any direction and some joined the the Police forces that at the time was under the control of the germans ,they enlistment and served as an opportunity to receive military training and direct access to weapons. The OUN leadership (when Bandera still was a prisoner at Sachsenhausen concentration camp ) on 20 March 1943 issued secret instructions ordering their members who had joined the German auxiliary police to desert with their weapons and join with the military detachment of OUN (SD) units in Ukraine. The number of trained and armed policemen who in spring 1943 joined the ranks of the future Ukrainian Insurgent Army were estimated to be 10,000. This process was to take up arms and fight the nazis and in some places this involved engaging in armed conflict with German forces as they tried to prevent desertion by the ethnic Ukrainians that had joined ..

      AND LETS US ALSO NOT FORGET THAT MORE AND MORE new evidence is coming to light saying that it was NKVD dressed up as UPA /OUN that did massacre in Volhynia and on the Jews in ww2 and other things to blame it on OUN / UPA ..

      Also-a-nazi-document dated 25 November 1941 stated that “… the Bandera Movement is preparing a revolt in the Reichskommissariat which has as its ultimate aim the establishment of an independent Ukraine.

      All functionaries of the Bandera Movement must be arrested at once and, after thorough interrogation, are to be liquidated On 12 July, the president of the newly formed Ukrainian state, Yaroslav Stetsko, was also arrested.. In January 1942, Bandera was transferred to Sachsenhausen concentration camp’s special barrack for high-profile political prisoners Zellenbau

      Yaroslav Stetsko was the leader together with Stepan Bandera’s Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) until his death. PART 2 OF 2 SEE UNDER

      Another OUN member to take into account is Stetsko In 1941, during the nazigerman invasion of the Soviet Union, he was proclaimed the temporary head of the ostensibly independent Ukrainian government declared by Stepan Bandera.

      On 30 June 1941, Stetsko declared in Lviv the formation of a Ukrainian state as stated in the text of the “Act of Proclamation of Ukrainian Statehood .. He was then arrested by the-nazis-together with Bandera and he also became a POW. together with Bandera they was both sent to Sachsenhausen concentration camp from 1941-1944 for subversive activity against the-nazi-germanys and the 3rd reich ..

      In September 1944 Bandera was released by [the German authorities] which hoped that he would incite the native populace to fight the advancing Soviet Army. With German consent Bandera set up headquarters in Berlin something Bandera never did .

      Postwar activity

      According to Stephen Dorril, author of MI6: Inside the Covert World of Her Majesty’s Secret Intelligence Service, OUN-B was re-formed in 1946 under the sponsorship of MI6. The organization had been receiving some support from MI6 since the 1930s. One faction of Bandera’s organization, associated with Mykola Lebed, became more closely associated with theCIA

      Despite the central role played by Bandera’s followers in the massacre of Poles or jews in western Ukraine, Bandera himself was interned in a German concentration camp when the concrete decision to massacre the Poles was made and when the Poles were killed.

      According to Jaroslaw Hrycak, during his internment, from the summer of 1941, he was not completely aware of events in Ukraine and moreover had serious differences of opinion with Mykola Lebed, the OUN-B leader who remained in Ukraine and who was one of the chief architects of the massacres of Poles.

      Bandera was thus not directly involved in those massacres

      Unlike competing Polish, Russian, Hungarian or Romanian nationalisms in late imperial Austria, imperial Russia, interwar Poland and Romania, Ukrainian nationalism did not include antisemitism as a core aspect of its program and saw Russians as well as Poles as the chief enemy with Jews playing a secondary role and only if the jew was Polsih or Russian jews and supporting Russian or Polish hegemony over Ukraine as the OUN / UPA movement was working for an independent free Ukraine.

      The predominance of the Soviet central government, rather than the Jewish minority, as the principal perceived enemy of Ukrainian nationalists was highlighted at the OUN-B’s Conference in Kraków in 1941 when it declared that The Muscovite-Bolshevik government exploits the anti-Jewish sentiments of the Ukrainian masses to divert their attention from the true cause of their misfortune..

      The OUN combats the Jews as the prop of the Muscovite-Bolshevik regime and simultaneously it renders the masses conscious of the fact that the principal foe is Moscow. Bandera followers, organized in small groups were “extraordinarily active” against Jewish communists working for Moscow..

      In 1942 German intelligence concluded that Ukrainian nationalists were indifferent to the plight of the Jews and were willing to either kill them or help them, depending on what better served their cause. Several Jews took part in Bandera’s underground movement, including one of Bandera’s close associates Richard Yary who was also married to a Jewish woman. Another notable Jewish UPA member was Leyba-Itzik “Valeriy” Dombrovsky. According to a report to the Chief of the Security Police in Berlin dated 30 March 1942, “…it has been clearly established that the Bandera movement provided forged passports not only for its own members, but also for Jews.”.

      The false papers were most likely supplied to Jewish doctors or skilled workers who could be useful for the movement.[

      When Bandera was in conflict with the Germans, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army under his authority sheltered many Jews and included Jewish fighters and medical personnel.

      In the official organ of the OUN-B’s leadership, instructions to OUN groups urged those groups to “liquidate the manifestations of harmful foreign influence, particularly the German racist concepts and practices

      Richard Franz Marian Yary (1898–1969) was a Ukrainian nationalist journalist, politician and military figure.

      He was one of the highest functionaries of the OUN and close associate and advisor to Stepan Bandera. Born in Rzeszów, Galicia Yary was of partilineal Czech and matrilineal Hungarian-Jewish descent Yary’s Jewish descent was affirmed by the historian Z. Knysh Yary’s support for Bandera turned some Ukrainians against Bandera because it was considered suspicious that of all the members of the OUN’s leadership council only the one of not fully Ukrainian ethnicity chose to follow Bandera After the abrogation by the-nazis-of the independent Ukrainian State Yary left the General Government and from 1942 he lived in the Rumanian-occupiedBukovina. In 1943, he was arrested by the Gestapo and was sent to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp.

    • Rob Hansen

      Polish and Russian are always talking about what OUN and UPA did or did not do and like nothing more than to discredit Bandera and others with half truths …

      But lets look at Poland and Russia for one sec.. Polish war crimes and Genocide of jews

      The Morgenthau report stated that some forms of discrimination against Jews was of political rather than anti-Semitic nature and specifically avoided use of the term “pogrom,” noting that the term was used to apply to a wide range of excesses, and had no specific definition

      POLISH ARMY KILLING JEWS The Pinsk genocide was the mass execution of Jewish residents of Pinsk on April 5, 1919 by the Polish Army.

      The event occurred during the opening stages of the Polish-Soviet War, after the Polish Army had captured Pinsk

      The Jews who were executed had been arrested whilst engaged in an illegal gathering presumably of a Bolshevik cell.

      The Polish officer-in-charge ordered the summary execution of the meeting participants without trial in fear of a trap, and based on the information about the gathering’s purpose that was founded on hearsay. The officer’s decision was defended by high-ranking Polish military officers

      The Polish Group Commander General Antoni Listowski claimed that the gathering was a Bolshevik meeting and that the Jewish population attacked the Polish troops. The overall tension of the military campaign was brought up as a justification for the crime.

      The Polish military refused to give investigators access to documents, and the officers and soldiers were never punished. Major Łuczyński was not charged for any wrongdoing and was eventually transferred and promoted reaching the rank of colonel (1919) and general (1924) in the Polish army.

      The events were criticized in the Sejm (Polish parliament), but representatives of the Polish army denied any wrongdoing

      http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinsk_massacre

      A mission, led by American diplomat Henry Morgenthau, Sr., published theMorgenthau Report on October 3, 1919. According to the findings of this commission, a total of about 300 Jewish cvilians also among them children lost their lives in this and related incidents. The commission also severely criticized the actions of Major Łuczyński and his superiors with regards to handling of the events in Pinsk

      Morgenthau later recounted the massacre in autobiography, where he wrote:

      Who were these victims? They were the local Jewish community, the spiritual and some of the moral leader of the 5,000 Jews in a city, eighty-five percent of the population of which was Jewish, the organizers of the charities, the directors of the hospitals, the friends of the poor. And yet, to that incredibly brutal, and even more incredibly stupid, officer who ordered their execution, they were only so many Jews

      http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinsk_massacre

      Soviet war crimes..

      Soviet war crimes involving Genocide, summary executions and mass murder of prisoners of war, such as at the Katyn massacre and mass rape by troops of the Red Army in territories they occupied.

      http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

      The Morgenthau report stated that some forms of discrimination against Jews was of political rather than anti-Semitic nature and specifically avoided use of the term “pogrom,” noting that the term was used to apply to a wide range of excesses, and had no specific definition

  • Rob Hansen

    Most of this is because western schools have liberal teachers that are leftist pro. marxist in their beliefs and have therefore written the soviet version of history into the schoolbooks not to the extreme extent as in ukraine before 1991 but to more than enough to convince any western (european / American) even some western historians that the Russian propaganda of Ukraine has always been part of Russia, it’s within Russia’s sphere of influence, Ukrainian is an invented language, Ukraine is a fake country !!!

    What Mr Adrian Bonenberger her fails to understand is that the west when it comes to the history and truth of Ukriane is infact just as much a victim of Russians falsehoods and propaganda as Ukriane .. Because all they are doing is repeating the Moscow narrative the was told to them by the liberal leftist pro. marxist pro moscow teachers .. And i will even go one step further than that and say that the leftist teachers in the west are in some way also a victim of moscow’s anti Ukrainian propaganda and falsehoods of historical fact as they themselves are just repeating what they have been told back in the day ..

    So what can we do about this well Ukriane has a responsibility to debunk those historical lies and tell the world what the true history is when it comes to Ukriane ..

  • Rob Hansen

    WE NEED TO INFORM THE WEST !!! WE CAN TELL THEM THIS ..
    PART 1 OF 3

    PRINCE VOLODYMYR WAS NEVER RUSSIAN JUST LIKE ALEXANDER NEVSKY WAS NOT RUSSIAN !!!

    IT IS A MYTH RUSSIA NEVER SHOWED ITS UGLY FACE BEFORE 1721 AFTER IT WAS PROCLAIMED BY PETTER AND THE CAPITAL OF THIS NEW NATION WAS ST. PETERSBURG..

    Peter did this after Treaty of Frederiksborg (1720), and the Russo-Swedish Treaty of Nystad (1721) and after the battle of Poltava…That is when Russia became Russia.. Another thing is what we today call Russians are not Russians as they are not Slavic like Ukrainians or Polish people read on to get the facts,,,,,,

    LET ME GO MORE INTO THE FACTS

    But first lets take a look at USA ….. The United States as a nation began with the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776 – as well as a century and a half earlier, when a group of English Puritans landed on Plymouth Rock in 1620.

    All nations have a story to tell how they came into being. Some are rooted in ancient history while others, including numerous new nations that arose on the ruins of European colonial expansion, tie their emergence to more recent events. But whether mythical or historical, those origins are always connected to the land those nations inhabit.

    Not so Russia. It may be the only major nation to locate its origins in a foreign country. Every Russian school kid learns that his country’s history began on the banks of the Dnipro, in Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine.

    It is as if Americans had decided to trace their history back in the time of William the Conqueror in 1066, War of the Roses or Edward The Confessor ha ha ha ha ….

    This may seem like a minor thing, but it explains a great deal in the average Russian’s attitude toward Ukrainians. If Russia is a direct descendant of historic Kyivan Rus, how can another nation equally trace its origins to it – a nation, moreover, still occupying the same territory?

    Vladimir Putin recently declared that Ukrainians and Russians are “one folk” – meaning, of course, that Ukrainians are Russian. An extraordinary number of his countrymen share this belief. Imagine a prime minister of the United Kingdom insisting that Americans are not a nation but merely Brits with funny accents. But it is even more ridiculous than that: it’s as though the Italian president would lay claim on Spain – or one of Spain’s former colonies in Latin America – asserting that the Spanish language is a bastardized form of Italian.

    Russia’s attitude to Ukraine and things Ukrainian reflects deeply ingrained imperial complexes, revealing that, while the Soviet Empire collapsed in 1991, the Russian Empire still lingers in the minds of the citizens of the Russian Federation. And, one of the strangest things this past year has been the number people with Ukrainian surnames, many of them also born in Ukraine but now living in Russia, who spew hatred for their native land.

    What we know today to be Russians are nothing more than Finnish nomadic tribes that assimilated with the Mongolian horde in the 1200 They are not Slavic people like Ukrainians or Polish people even if they claim to be, and therefore have no real claim to Slavic lands or history .. But descendants from finish nomadic tribes that assimilated with the Mongolian.

    The Russians brainwashed just continue to brainwash everyone, when they assert that Kyivan Rus was the cradle of three sibling nations – Russians, Ukrainians and Belarus; and that because the Russians are “older brothers”, they have the right to the legacy of Kyivan Rus. To this day, Russian historians and officials make use of this woeful lie, which is repeated by Putin in his propaganda today .

    Here are the facts:

    At the time of the Kyivan Empire there was no mention of a Moscow nation in history Russia was not a part of history before 1721 when it was proclaimed be peter the grate It is well known that Moscow was created in 1277 as a subservient vassal region or ‘ulus’ to the Golden Horde, established by the Khan Mengu-Timur. By that time, Ukrainians city of Kiev and the Ukrainians peoples the Kyivan Rus had existed for more than 300 years.

    There are no indications of any connection of Ukrainians peoples the Kyivan Rus with the Finnish ethnic groups in the land of ‘Moksel’ what today we know as Russia or the later of the Moscow principality with the Principality of Kyivan Rus up until the XVI century. At the time when the Ukrainians peoples (Kyivan Rus ) had officially accepted Christianity, the Finn tribes in ‘Moksel’ today’s Russia was still was living in a semi-primitive nomadic state.

    How can anyone speak of ‘an older brother’ when that ‘older brother’ did not first appear until centuries after Rus-Ukrainians? He has no moral right to call himself an ‘older brother’, nor to dictate how people are to live, nor to force his culture, language, and world views.

    http://www.euromaidanpress.com/2014/05/14/how-moscow-hijacked-the-history-of-kyivan-rus/

    • Rob Hansen

      PART 2 OF 3
      Russians er nothing more then confused Mongolians that must have some sort of dimwit Syndrome thinking they are from Ukrainian Kiev Russ and Slavic background..

      The DNA study of today’s so called Russians shows that the historical facts are that Russians are Mongoloid / Finno-Ugric descendants and NOT Slavic like Ukrainians and polish people …

      The DNA evidence proves that Russians with out a doubt are Mongoloid / Finno-Ugric descendants ..

      Mongolian blood in Russians see link

      THE R1a explanation for dummy’s Russians have is R1a-Z93 and is the main Asian branch of R1a.

      Western and Northern European and also western Ukrainians have R1a -Z284 falls under the root R1a1a1* (M417), So this proves Russians are Asian NOT Europeans..

      Russians er nothing more then Mongolians with Down Syndrome thinking they are from Kiev Russ and Slavic background when the DNA study of today’s so called Russians shows that the historical facts are they they are Mongoloid / Finno-Ugric descendents and NOT Slavic…

      The Mongolian Y-DNA (paternal) haplogroup R1a-Z93 and is the main Asian branch of R1a. and its offshoots are very common and the dominant gen among Russian men.

      Studies have found the ethnic Russian frequency of R1a high as 62.7 percent, with an average of 46.7% of Russians in the “Russia-DNA Project” include R1a1, R1a1a, R1a1a1g, and R1a1a1g2.

      1. RuSSian myth about Ukraine and Crimea

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMgjYetl4pQ

      2. Mongols founded Russia or Muscovy (1328)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ChVHBLMgCU

      A link to a world map proving Russians are Asian not slavic
      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Meyers_b11_s0476a.jpg

      • Rob Hansen

        PART 3 OF 4
        LET ME GO MORE INTO THE ISSUE AND FACTS ..

        The Vikings, the Rus’ & Kiev — the Entangled History of Russia and Ukraine

        Stepping away for a moment from the unfolding current events in the Ukraine and Russia, it might be worthwhile to look at the history of the region, which was shaped by the arrival of merchant adventurers rowing long ships called Vikings by the Scandinavians and called Rus by the Finish tribs .Take a look at the http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians

        One of the most well know links to this Viking / Ukrainian Kyiv Russ link is Elisiv of Kiev. Elisaveta Yaroslavna of Kiev (Norwegian: Ellisif or Elisiv), (1025 – c. 1067), was a Princess of Kiev and Queen Consort of King Harald III of Norway

        Elisaveta Yaroslavna was part of the Rurik dynasty (by birth) Her Father was Yaroslav I of Kiev Mother Princess Ingegerd Olofsdotter in what today is parts of Sweden and Norway..

        Yaroslav relied on the Scandinavian alliance and attempted to weaken the Byzantine influence on Kiev In 1019, Yaroslav married Ingegerd Olofsdotter, a Scandinavian Princess .. In the Saint Sophia’s Cathedral in Kiev houses a fresco representing the whole family: Yaroslav, Irene (as Ingegerd was known in Rus), their four daughters and six sons. Yaroslav had three of his daughters married to foreign princes who lived in exile at his court:

        Elisaveta Yaroslavna of Kiev (Norwegian: Ellisif or Elisiv), (1025 – c. 1067), was a Princess of Kiev and Queen Consort of King Harald III of Norway Elisaveta was the related to the Grand Prince of Veliky Novgorod and Kievan Rus, Yaroslav the Wise Elisaveta was the sister of Anastasia of Kiev who married the future Andrew I of Hungary..Her brothers included Vladimir of Novgorod, Iziaslav I of Kiev, Sviatoslav II of Kiev , Vsevolod I, Prince of Kiev and Igor Yaroslavich. During the winter of 1043–44, Elisaveta was married to Prince Harald Sigurdsson of Norway. ( In Norway, Elisaveta was known as Queen Elisiv.) See link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisiv_of_Kiev

        As with so much of history known as the Viking age, it began with the Vikings in period A.D. 793–1066 historians tend to agree with the Primary Chronicle that these Scandinavians founded Kievan Rus’ in the 880s and gave their name to the land. Many Russian scholars are opposed to this theory of Germanic influence on the Rus’ (people) and have suggested alternative scenarios for this part of Eastern European history.. This is because of the falsification of history done by Catherine the great with something called the Catherine chronicles In 1792, ‘Catherine’s falsification of History’ saw the light of day. and that is the version Russia likes to present to its self and the world..

        See link how Russia hijacked Ukrainian history

        http://www.euromaidanpress.com/2014/05/14/how-moscow-hijacked-the-history-of-kyivan-rus/

        THE KIAVAN RUSS AND VIKINGS

        The Norse Vikings, from the region that we now call Scandinavia , rowed their long ships deep into the rivers of Central and Eastern Europe; pushing up the Volga, the Dnieper, the Volkhov and the Neva rivers, among others. Using rivers and lakes connected to the Volga, these Vikings traded as far as Iran. On a separate route on the Dnieper River, the Vikings traveled as far as Greece.

        Viking heritage in Ukraine

        Norwegian Vikings founded Kiev SO IT WAS NOT THE RUSSIANS LIKE PUTIN SAYS !!….
        Kiev’s Viking Heritage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvE9UPu-3kI

        Grand Prince Yaroslav the Wise, whose wife Ingegerd was from Swedish / Norwegian roalty

        The first half of 1031 the Viking King Harald and his men were welcomed by Grand Prince Yaroslav the Wise, whose wife Ingegerd was a distant relative of King Harald of Norway.

        They were called the Varangians by the Greeks and Eastern Slavs. The Finns called them the Rus‘ which meant “men who row.” In 862 the Viking chieftain Rurik made Kiev, a into a viking trading port and integrated with Slavic tribes this village on the Dnieper became his new capital. The kindom he established became known as the “land of the Rus’.” (Later, 19th century historians would dub the kingdom the “Kievan Rus.”) The Ruriks Kievan Rus kingdom lasted for close to 400 years before the invasion of the Mongul hordes.

        Russia stole the name Rus from the real Rus’ aka Ukrainians Kiev Rus as the Kievan Rus kingdom was literally born in Kiev and started by a viking called Rurk . Now, as the Russian Army is poised on the borders of Ukraine and the Ukrainian Army is taking orders from the capitol in Kiev, both sides continue to play their roles in their long and history, which began, more or less with the Viking Rurik.

        But only one nation is the true ancestor of the Kievan Rus kingdom and that is TO DAYS Ukrainians.

        Russians need to study history and stop believe the falsification of Ukrainian and Russian history and look at the time line and facts..

        UKRAINIAN NATION has been around since 898. In the 11th century, Kievan Rus’ aka Ukraine was, geographically, the largest state in Europe Also Ukrainian Cossack had its own Rada (parliament / government) and was self governing until 1783 when Catharine sent her lover Potemkin to annex Cossack Ukrainian lands..

        First of all Russia as a state never showed its ugly head to the world before 1721 when Peter proclaimed a new nation and a new capital for the new nation and he called it Russia…

        Peter did this after Treaty of Frederiksborg (1720), and the Russo-Swedish Treaty of Nystad (1721) and after the battle of Poltava…

        On July 27 every year Kyiv celebrates the anniversary of when Kyivan Rus was baptized by Prince Volodymyr the Great in 988.

        In reaction, Vladimir Legoyda, head of the information department of the Russian Orthodox Church, criticized Ukraine’s attempts to call Prince Volodymyr the Great the “baptizer of Ukraine and a local leader.”

        The medieval Principality of Moscow wouldn’t be founded until nearly 300 later. So if Kyiv was baptizes by Prince Volodymyr the Great in 988 and The medieval Principality of Moscow did not show its ugly head before 300 years later how can Moscow and Russia clam Ukraine and Kiev never existed hahahaha

        Before Peter Moscow and Novgorod and other city’s was principality’s or city sates if you like and the most known was the Grand Duchy of Moscow From 1283–1547 Grand Principality of Moscow members citys of the Grand Principality was the citys of Novgorod, Moscow,rayzan ,suzdal ,vologoda..

        http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Moscow

        • Rob Hansen

          PART 4 OF 4
          1547–1721 Tsardom of Muscovy

          In 1648 under the Tsardom of Muscovy the Ukrainian leader, Bohdan Khmelnytsky, offered to ally Ukraine with the Russian tsar, Aleksey I. Aleksey’s acceptance of this offer, which was ratified in the Treaty of Pereyaslav in 1654 This was not Ukraine or Bohdan Khmelnytsky, offering it them self to Russia this was an agreement that both independent nations will go together and fight the Polish that was at the time invading Ukraine and Russia…and nothing more than that. In this agreement the Cossacks also accepted to look upon the tsar as the protecting monarch and did pay some small money for the help and alliance in fighting the Polish..

          But this was not giving up Ukrainian lands to the tsar nor did they give up their own Cossacks Rada (parliament) or the right to self governance.. It was more a deal like Canada, Australia, Scotland, New Zealand ect ect ect has to day with England they look up on English monarch as their monarch But still are a independent nation and lands with self governance and their own parliaments and leaders of state..

          Russian Empire 1721–1917 (when Peter proclaimed a new nation called Russia )

          The Russian Empire (Pre-reform Russian orthography: Россійская Имперія, Modern Russian: Российская империя, translit: Rossiyskaya Imperiya) was a state that existed from 1721 until overthrown by the short-lived liberal February Revolution in 1917.

          http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire

          Also Ukrainian Cossack had its own Rada (parliament / government) and was self governing until 1783 when Catharine sent her lover Potemkin to annex Cossack Ukrainian lands..

          http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_the_Great#Reign_.281762.E2.80.931796.29

          The lands was under occupation until 1917 bolshevik revolution until 1991

          So based on this facts the Russia state has only had annexed control in Ukraine for 134 years That is fare less then what all Russians think

          In the 11th century, Kievan Rus’ aka Ukraine was, geographically, the largest state in Europe, becoming known in the rest of Europe as Ruthenia (the Latin name for Rus’), especially for western principalities of The name “Ukraine”, meaning “in-land” or “native-land” usually interpreted as “border-land”, first appears in historical documents of 12th century and then on history maps of the 16th century period. Greater Rus'” was used to apply to all the lands ruled by Kyiv, including those that were not just Slavic, but also Uralic in the north-east portions of the state.

          So Ukraine and Kyiv is from the 11th century and was self governing until 1783 when Catharine sent her lover Potemkin to annex Cossack Ukrainian lands. and it remand occupied until 1917

          http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine#Kievan_Rus.27

          Ukraine has existed more or less as far back as kyiv has been a city..

          Ukraine however has from time to time ,also maintained a semi-independent republic in Zaporozhia, and a colony on the Russian frontier in Sloboda Ukraine.

          The Battle of Konotop in 1648 took place during the period of Ukrainian history that is generally referred to as the Ruin.

          This was the time after the death of Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky, during which many power struggles within the Cossack elite took place. Arguably, these power struggles were instigated by The Grand Duchy of Moscow AKA tsardom of Moscow in an effort to undermine the authority of the Cossacks and self governed of the Ukrainian nation and the Ukrainian Cossack state The 1648 Ukrainian Cossack (Kozak) rebellion or Khmelnytsky Uprising, which started an era known as the Ruin The Cossack state, the Cossack Hetmanate, usually viewed as the modern Ukraine and this was why back in 1648 So how can you come up with Ukraine as a state first existed in 1918,__????

          Together with a number of other battles between East Slavs, such as Battle of Orsha, the Konotop battle was with a few exceptions an abandoned topic in Russian Imperial and in Soviet historiography. This attitude towards this event is explained by the fact that it dispelled some Russian propaganda positions about the unity of East Slavs, in particular the ones about “eternal friendship of Russian and Ukrainian peoples” and about “natural desire of Ukrainians for union with Russia”. For all the skill and the bravery of the Cossacks — especially those defending Konotop — it still remains a bitter victory. A victory that did not have any significant impact on the course of Ukrainian history, where fratricidal war of the Ruin and personal ambitions of treacherous hetmans prevailed. As such, the Konotop battle remains a classic example of the battle and war Russia lost when trying too assert its dominance over Ukraine

          Ukraine has never really been Russian.

          Any more than Norway is Swedish or Danish just because Norway was forcefully taking into an union with Sweden and Danmark and for some time under Swedish and Danish occupation and rule dose not make Norway into Swedish or Danish lands …

          Norway like Ukraine was just a politically and military occupied nation for some time in its history that’s all..

          Norway has been from time to time under Swedish and Danish occupation and even some Norwegian city’s was built by Swedish and Danish occupier’s…. But that doesn’t mean that Sweden or Danmark owns Norway or that Norwegians are Swedish or Danish ANY MORE THEN Russia owns Ukraine and Ukrainians are Russians ….!!!

          History of Norway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQQjBkiA_Wk