Trump is Putin’s ‘most useful idiot’ because he believes what he says, Piontkovsky says

Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump (Credit: AP/Andrew Harnik/Nati Harnik/Photo montage by Salon)

Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump (Credit: AP/Andrew Harnik/Nati Harnik/Photo montage by Salon) 

Analysis & Opinion, Russia

Donald Trump, the Republican candidate for US president, is Vladimir Putin’s “most useful idiot” not because he is the agent of the Kremlin as some have suggested, Andrey Piontkovsky says, but rather because he believes what he says about Russia and thus threatens “the end of the free world as we have known it.”

Andrey Piontkovsky, prominent Russian scientist, political writer and analyst (Image: svoboda.org)

Andrey Piontkovsky, prominent Russian scientist, political writer and analyst (Image: svoboda.org)

In a commentary for the Apostrophe, Piontkovsky says that Trump’s willingness to accept Putin’s Anschluss of Crimea and his unwillingness to defend NATO members in the Baltic region in the case of a Russian attack cannot be dismissed as “campaign rhetoric.” They are something much worse.

The average American voter, he points out, “isn’t very much interested in Ukraine or the Baltics” and so talking about these issues in this way at worst means “losing the votes of the Ukrainian and Baltic communities.” And that shows that what Trump is saying reflects “his deep foreign policy convictions.”

“In general,” Piontkovsky continues, “Trump is Putin’s most valuable agent in America,” one more valuable than any the KGB ever had there. And his greatest value is that “no one recruited him” and therefore “it is impossible to unmask him” for what he in fact is. And that is this, the commentator says.

Trump is “simply an exceptionally useful illiterate bourgeois idiot” who “perfectly sincerely” wants to achieve the goals “Putin dreams about: the exit of the US from the world arena, the dismantling of NATO and the handing over of Ukraine to the complete control of Putin.”

In short, Piontkovsky says, “Trump is an idiot who considers himself a patriot of America.” He is thus unlike his closest aides who have worked for Russia and have financial interests in it. “They know for what and for whom they are working and in every way support the insane fantasies of their illiterate chief.”

A poster of Donald Trump kissing Vladimir Putin by Lithuanian artist Mindaugas Bonanu (Image: 2oceansvibe.com)

A poster of Donald Trump kissing Vladimir Putin by Lithuanian artist Mindaugas Bonanu (Image: 2oceansvibe.com)

The Republican candidate is “a seriously ill man, a paranoid in love with himself who is completely illiterate when it comes to issues of foreign policy. [In Russia,] he wouldn’t have become even the head of a rural council.” His success in attracting supporters thus raises questions about the political sophistication of the American voters.

Of course, Piontkovsky continues, “Trump’s readiness to the open surrender to Putin of the European allies of the US is to a certain extent a continuation of a definite trend in Obama’s policies.” The current president told “The Atlantic last spring that “Russians want to rape Ukraine more than we want to defend it,” and that the West has to deal with that reality.

Obama’s remarks show that “such attitudes are quite characteristic for the American political class.” But as president, Obama has not acted on them whatever he may ultimately believe. Trump in contrast is campaigning to make those impulses the center of his approach to the world by playing up isolationism with his adoption of the old slogan of “America First.”

The danger that Trump could come to power is “quite real. In any case, one cannot exclude it,” even if each day brings fresh evidence of why he should never be allowed to gain office. And the fact that he is so close to Hillary Clinton in the polls raises the possibility of an extremely dangerous scenario.

“Imagine for a minute,” Piontkovsky says, “that somewhere in the middle of October in America occurs a mega-terrorist act with the obvious participation of Islamists, a large number of victims, and Barak Husseynovich as always trying to deny this and saying that Islam here is not involved and that it is a beautiful religion of peace and so on.

That would bring an enormous number of people over to Trump’s side, the Russian commentator says.

If Trump comes to power, it will be “a colossal victory for Putin, a victory which the Soviet Union as a superpower during all the years of the Cold War was not able to achieve.” Indeed, “the coming to power of Putin-Trump is a threat not only to Ukraine but a threat to the entire world.”

It would be “the end of the West and the end of the free world as we have been accustomed to understand it.” It is thus time, Piontkovsky says, to recognize the danger and to call things by their proper names lest Putin-Trump come to power in the United States later this year.


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  • Dalton

    Everything is a negotiation with Trump and his rhetoric now should be discounted. Efforts to destroy his candidacy, empower Clinton who is absolutely corrupt and far more capable of being compromised by Putin or other world leaders. Ukraine cannot afford Hillary in the WH and Trump will at least he will be moderated by the Republican party leaders and supporters.

    • Quartermaster

      We can hope he will be moderated. Given how craven McConnell and others have been, I have serious doubts.

    • Alex George

      Why should his rhetoric be discounted?

      He says what he believes, and that is how he should be accepted.

      There is no point in saying that Clinton is so terrible that Trump must be voted in no mater how insane he is. Trump is insane and utterly untrustworthy, as his repeated comments show. He made a huge mistake when he attacked Ukraine and sided with Putin.

      If you don’t like Clinton then you should like Trump even less – because he is doing his best to get her elected.

      • Dalton

        First of all, why not show some evidence of his “insanity”? Just because you listen to the Clinton News Network and their analysis of what he says and is, doesn’t make you a Psychiatrist, nor are you someone who has any relationship with him enough to know. Now what specifically do you think proves his “insanity” and “utterly untrustworthy” ? And when exactly has he ever “attacked Ukraine? And FYI, have you bothered to READ the Republican Platform with regard to Ukraine? How about the Democratic Platform regarding Ukraine? IF you actually want to look for facts rather than get your talking points from the media, why not point out the positions and which is better for Ukraine?
        The Media is doing their best to get Hillary elected, including Putin. Ever watch RT? Check out Larry King’s interview and ask yourself why the questions were so aggressive? Putin knows Hillary and likely has control over her from information or money.. She’s already helped him to 20% of the US Uranium reserves and made a few 10s of millions in the process. Trump is the unknown and why you see every single media outlet trying to destroy him relentlessly. Do you honestly believe the media has what’s best for America as their motivation?
        Get a clue.

        • Scradje

          Georgia and Ukraine have suffered from the greatest hate crimes of recent history, perpetrated by a man with an ideogy almost as evil as Isil and with modern tech to back it up. A would-be POTUS who offers comfort and support to such a vicious enemy of freedom is simply unacceptable. By employing not one but three Russian lackeys and offering to recognize the theft of Crimea as legal, he is kicking Ukraine repeatedly in the teeth. Btw I can’t stand Hillary, but it would be best for the GOP to disown this divisive man ASAP.

          • Dalton

            Scradje, I honestly believe that Trump would reconcile the reality with any preconceived notion that you think he has. By the way, The Republican publicly and firmly supports Ukraine and includes keeping sanctions on Russia until Ukrainian territory is restored, the Democrat Platform does not. In fact there is absolutely NO support suggested in the Dem platform. The President isn’t a dictator unless it’s Hillary given the analysis by those that know her best, and there WILL be people surrounding Trump that will guide him on policy. Don’t be naive please. The rhetoric and statements made are magnified 100 times and distorted beyond belief when listened to the msm.. and ask yourself why, if you don’t trust the msm, why would every single outlet be working as if in unison, from the same script, to destroy Trump and promote Hillary? I’m telling you there’s something sinister going on and it has nothing to do with what’s best for America and thus, Ukraine.
            Personally I think what has happened is a man who isn’t politically wise nor polished who is from a different part of the media, who is learning how to communicate some very good and needed ideas to a new audience who he hasn’t done so well with thus far. Watch this interview and tell me what’s wrong with his demeanor and answers. Look at the Republican Platform and see for yourself. The Republicans will not abandon Ukraine, Hillary on the other hand has already proven she cannot be trusted and may very well already be corrupted with Putin from the Uranium sell off, and there is NO language whatsoever in the Dem platform that suggests support for Ukraine at all.

            Remember, the current situation in Ukraine happened under Democratic administration and Crimea was covertly taken under Obama’s administration, something Trump was pointing out (not so eloquently) If you think Hillary will pursue a different path than Obama and that her already known ties to Putin from the corrupt dealings with her Foundation, and the fact that it may well be possible she is compromised from breached top secret information that could be used to influence her decisions, don’t present a huge and danger not only to Ukraine but to the world, then you’re not considering some of the background details that are being whitewashed by the diversions from the media.

            Please watch this video and tell me what in his answers are so bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww_gvwbJfpw

          • Scradje

            As far as your views on Hillary and the Dems are concerned, you are preaching to the converted. Ditto your comments on the GOP’s position on putlerstan and Ukraine. The problem is Trump, the only pro-putler candidate from the original group of respectable GOP candidates. (Except for the highly marginal Rand Paul, who as the son of the lunatic Ron, does not count, in my view). Marco Rubio, the best candidate. even had a well thought out statement on his policy towards putler, entitled the Rubio doctrine, which unfortunately was deleted from his website when he was defeated.
            I watched your video in which Trump denies meeting putler, which is likely to be true. Unfortunately, at a time when he thought it would play well, he did claim to know him. See: http://uk.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-footage-russia-relationship-us-2016-8
            He has deliberately recruited three ghastly putler shills for his election team. His son has boasted that the family business is awash with RuSSian money, again at a time when he thought it would play well. No tax docs have been forthcoming, I wonder why? Last year in a video conference to Kyiv. He claimed to have many Ukrainian friends, despite referring constantly to something called ‘the’ Ukraine, which is a bit of a dead giveaway that he has precisely none, sunce they would have put him right very quickly.
            Let’s look at some of his other stuff: despite being a gifted athlete, he dodged the draft, yet had the temerity to insult McCain, a genuine war hero. He also sat at the top table of a fund raising dinner for the IRA in New York with Gerry Adams. For that reason alone, he should not even be a candidate. He has so far demonstrated his admiration for two fascist murder gang bosses; I wonder if there are more?

          • Dalton

            Trump shoots from the hip for sure and is from the business and entertainment (management) world, not the political world. He attacks when he feels attacked and doesn’t think sometimes before thinking, that makes him an inexperienced politician and a political idiot, but so what? The fact that he responds to criticism viciously comes from his business experience where he has built his reputation. As I said before if he can learn how to blend that with the political world it is an asset and learn how to ignore when he needs too, it will be an asset. But he may not be able to become completely political, and because he isn’t politically correct is why he is attracting so much support. BTW, Do you not think Hillary and Obama and GWB and every other human being haven’t said equally ridiculous things or worse about other people?
            Look I’m not going to have a political debate, I’ve not researched any of the incidents or claims you make and have only heard of them from the same media that I along with 80% of other Americans don’t trust that, by the way, are completely in the tank for Hillary. An example of the unrelenting dishonest representations in media in an effort to get Hillary elected- your video, which I watched. The headline made a very specific claim but no where in the video did he say it. He said everything but that, but didn’t say that, yet the claim was made by the media. If the media were honest and inferred from his other statements positively what he implies rather than negative, his image would be much better. For example, the question on Russia attacking Ukraine. Immediately I realized his faux paux and what he meant when he said “Russia will not go into Ukraine” when he is President. He MEANT that he would strongly react decisively and strongly if Ukraine was invaded “further”.. (something Obama didnt do) but with the error, the narrative was created by the Clinton news and put out to all the globalist socialist leaning media to run with. The Crimea comment was also disturbing but if elected no doubt will change once he has the intelligence reports and counsel of others… Let me ask you though, I saw Hillary’s interview where she mentioned Trump’s comments but not once was she asked about HER views on Ukraine or what SHE will do regarding Ukraine. Why do you think SHE wasn’t asked the same thing about the Democratic Platform and Ukraine? I’m telling you the globalists are working overtime to keep Trump from upsetting their work, not because he would be bad for America, but because he would foil the plans that Hillary will finalize.
            I’m not sure of who you’re referring to Putin lackeys so please advise. I know Manafort was PR for Yanukovich, but that didn’t make him somehow part of his cabinet or something. I know Trump has done business in Russia which he admits, but he’s an international businessman so it’s within reasonable consideration he would.
            Do I like the “nice things” he has said about Putin? Any other time in history it would be a good thing, but because Ukraine is in the crosshairs, it bothers me, yet I also realize this may well be part of his own strategy to disarm Putin psychologically if he’s elected while not destroying his potential business should he lose the election. So you are doing what all others are doing which is speculating about the what ifs, and building on that as fact, when the only fact is that until he’s in office, no one knows, including Putin. The fact about Crimea is that if the referendum was held according to Ukrainian law, it would have been legal and undisputed and the reality is that may yet happen. Until then, I have no doubt the Republican party, WHICH IS THE ONLY PARTY PLATFORM TO SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS ITS SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE, including a President Trump, will do what’s right by Ukraine.

            What we DO know is that under Democratic leadership in the US, Ukraine was invaded and its territorial integrity was not defended as agreed so long ago. What we also know for a fact is that Hillary arranged the sale of US URANIUM production to Russia, while collecting 10s of millions of dollars for it. This is corruption of the highest level and yet she is protected against prosecution. The fact that the 33000 emails she deleted may very well be in the hands of Russia or other potential adversary who may now know things about her that we don’t, and who may be able to use such information to manipulate, blackmail or influence her, should be immediate disqualification for having a chance to be President but it isn’t. Why? Again I believe Putin would PREFER Hillary over Trump. I don’t. I believe that if the US continues the slide toward Socialism and Centralized government, that the future of those seeking independence and prosperity will no longer be able to look at the US as an example because it will have become nothing more than the new USSR. This is what Hillary represents, not from my opinion, but from her own historical views and desires.

            In the meantime, Ukraine as a nation needs support and assistance to develop as a nation for its future prosperity and the longer it stagnates from the civilian development, the more at risk for its people to become disenchanted with the west as a partner for its development, that’s what needs to be strengthened. There are two countries most important to me- the US and Ukraine. I know that the future of Ukraine is affected by the future of the US.

            Interesting and informative and very well researched documentary every American should watch – Hillary’s America and book I have just started to read “Crisis of Character” by a Secret Service agent that was with the Clinton’s for 8 years that knows her better than anyone in the media.. stunning and astounding to think this woman has a chance to be President.

          • slavko

            What concerns me is that no matter what the platforms of the Republican or Democratic parties are, the elected President doesn’t have to follow their party’s platform. However, I must say this in support of the Republican side of things, is that the Republican’s are not being bashful about their candidate’s shortfalls. If enough Republicans win Congress and Senate, then Republican platform will be pushed. Now in comparison, the Democratic party is more cohesive and partisan, which can make Clinton a lot more dangerous.

          • Alex George

            No its not because he isn’t politically correct. Its because he gets into bed with Putin, surrounds himself with advisers who have strong financial links to Putin’s regime, and says stupid things.

            This self-deluded, vain and foolish man is going to deliver the White House to the democrats.

          • Scradje

            As I said, you are preaching to the converted re Hillary and the Dems as being totally unsuitable. The GOP has the best strategy, but not Trump. His three putlerstan shills are Manafort, Page and Flynn. The latter actually was a guest of honour at the 10th anniversary celebration of the putrid troll tv channel, RT.
            I don’t normally enjoy being proved wrong, but in this case I would welcome it. If a Trump has an epiphany, reverses direction and does a deal to get putlerstan out of all Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova, I will be delighted. Can’t see any of it happening though…

          • Dalton

            Thanks for the info on the 3 I will research..mandatory I’ve known about but don’t believe him to be anything more than a bad PR guy

          • Dalton

            Did some research on these and as I said was familiar with Manafort, and of course Flynn is ex military.. Defense Intelligence Agency.. his travel to Russia or having anything to do with Russia should be taken in that context, certainly not as a shill. Those two I see as little concern honestly, manafort is a PR guy and Flynn is military and his former job would require extensive connections and interactions with areas of expertise. Page on the other hand would be one I would hope hasn’t any pull in a Trump administration since he’s simply a business investor involved in the energy trade. Although his advice may be simply insight into Putin’s energy investments, I think he may be one who could advise partnerships with energy.
            Regardless, none of these men have any guaranteed position in a Trump administration and Flynn could be of value in one if he was. Look, it’s not realistic to believe that international businessmen or diplomats or military personnel can’t have any connections or business with Russia to make him trustworthy with regard to Ukraine. The ONLY thing that will matter whoever is elected is the character and integrity of the people making decisions in which we hope they make them based on principles of American ideals and desire to honor commitments, that’s really the only thing that anyone can hope for. Only the Republican party has committed to defend Ukraine’s territorial integrity and keep sanctions in place until Russia restores Ukraine’s territory, and only one party has specific language regarding Ukraine. And like him or not, Trump I believe will honor commitments of the US because its in his nature to do what he considers a position of strength.

            More to my point about the con and false narrative about Trump’s connections and the real play being Hillary and why there has been no mention of no Ukrainian position in the Dem platform and why the media has created the deflection of Trump. lo and behold just out a couple of days are reports now showing the truth that confirms my position-
            http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2016/08/hillary-clinton-russia-reset-report-shady-foundation-donations/
            http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/01/report-hillary-clintons-campaign-mgr-john-podesta-sat-board-company-bagged-35-million-putin-connected-russian-govt-fund-2/
            http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-clinton-kremlin-connection/article/2003597
            http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-hillary-just-received-worst-news-emails-putin-smiling/
            and the full report from non-partisan GAI: http://www.g-a-i.org/u/2016/08/Report-Skolkvovo-08012016.pdf

            As someone who loves Ukraine, there is no option in my mind for the best option for Ukraine to have a friendly US administration and that’s one other than an Obama partner that is perhaps more corrupt than any Oligarch could dream.

          • Scradje

            Dalton, there is no point in you rubbishing the abysmal Dems; nothing you could say about Hillary and Billy Jizzwad would surprise me. We know what to expect from them re a decisive policy for putting putlerstan into check; f-all. It’s different with Drumf; he’s promised to ‘look into’ recognising Krim as belonging to putlerstan. Now that is tantamount to aiding and abetting a criminal fascist power, as is attending the party for the world’s top troll channel, RT, which is what Flynn did. We know from the son that $millions ($billions?) of dirty RuSSian money is invested in the family business.
            We know that Drumf takes a firm line on terror; but only of the Islamic variety. There is a sickening video of him attending an IRA fundraiser in 1995, when they were still murdering innocents. (They actually still are now, but that’s another story). The grinning oaf stands up to take a bow when murder gang boss ‘Gerry’ Adams boasts of ‘playing the Trump card’. I would remind you that the IRA is one of the vilest terror groups that ever existed; it supported hitler in ww2. Drumf has never renounced his support of them. Neither has he apologized for a) being a draft dodger and b) grievously insulting John McCain, a genuine war hero.
            For these reasons, plus the astonishing disrespect he has for women, he should not be a candidate for the GOP. They have lost the election anyway now; best to disown him and let him run as an independent.

        • Alex George

          Yes, you should “get a clue”. Your post says very little, despite all the words. And yes I have read the republican platform on Ukraine, both before and after its changes – why is that relevant?

          Trump has repeatedly supported Putin and attacked Ukraine. Anyone who cannot see that is self-deluded.

          And no, its not the media doing their best to get Hillary elected, its Trump who is doing that.

          • Dalton

            So are you saying you don’t have specifics to provide or do you want me to fish around for something that supports your claims? On the platform issue and specifically pertaining to Ukraine, the relevance is that Ukraine was the subject of discussion from the media and the only perspective I’m interested in with respect to Putin and his actions. If you are making some point on Ukraine then please brush up on both platforms in that respect before commenting since that would at least show enough interest to be familiar with facts. If you have no interest in the Ukraine aspect then no need to respond at all since as I said that is my only interest in the Putin perspective.
            “surrounds himself with advisers who have strong financial links to Putin’s regime” You mean stronger financial links than someone who has received 10s of millions of dollars from Russia for doing a Uranium deal with them? Please explain which advisers could possibly have more of a financial interest and strategic interest than that? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/51b349e388d874f02308aaedf6393d587bb9ec0213a708e1745323ff7cfc4fbc.jpg

          • Alex George

            Excuse me, YOU brought up the issue of the platforms, not me. I am sure you would rather talk about them, rather than about Trump’s specific support for Putin and his statements against Ukraine.

            And yes, I do mean stronger financial links than that. Manafort’s and Page’s links stink to high heaven and they are personal.

          • Dalton

            Indeed I did bring up the issue of the platforms since you brought up the issue of Ukraine.. I’m still waiting on evidence of where Trump has “attacked” Ukraine. My pointing out the platform was to A. show the contrast between the two candidates and parties they represent with regard to Ukraine, and B. to give an example of how the media is completely biased toward Hillary when it is shown to hold Trump to some artificial standard of expectations toward Ukraine when it doesn’t even address the fact there is absolutely no expectation toward Ukraine for the Democrats. If the discussion is about Ukraine and Putin’s potentially affecting a candidate’s opinion or actions toward it, then why is it not equally important to know what Hillary’s position is since it isn’t even mentioned in the Democratic Platform? Of course, you’re probably more concerned with Putin because your talking points say he hacked the DNC and possibly Hillary’s private server, right? nevermind, rhetorical.

          • Alex George

            “Indeed I did bring up the issue of the platforms since you brought up the issue of Ukraine.”

            Thank you for admitting it, finally. You still haven’t explained why it is relevant to Trump. The only relevance I can see is that Trump sent Manafort to get the provision of lethal weaponry to Ukraine dropped from the Republican platform, and no doubt would go further if he could. n any case, its the party platform, not the Trump platform.

            “why is it not equally important to know what Hillary’s position is …”

            Since nobody has said it isn’t, why waste our time with comments like this? There is no reason to think that Hillary’s position on Putin or Ukraine is as insane as Trump’s – its as simple as that.

            “Of course, you’re probably more concerned with Putin because your talking points say …”

            Oh please – now you think you know what I am concerned about? Get yourself sorted out before trying to read other’s minds and failing abysmally.

            “I’m still waiting on evidence of where Trump has “attacked” Ukraine”

            No you aren’t, you are just dodging the issue, hoping that people have forgotten the facts.

            When Trump repeatedly assured everyone in absolute terms that Putin “is not going into Ukraine” (how on earth does anyone know that about any country?) that was an attack on Ukraine. It is clear that Putin will go further, if he is not prevented by political and military force. But Trump made that worse in a later tweet where he clarified this to say Putin was “in Crimea”. Trump doesn’t consider Putin is even in the Donbass.

            He sent Manafort to the sub-committee to remove the Republican party commitment to supply lethal aid to Ukraine.

            He also came out with this little gem: “The people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were” – in fairness, this isn’t original, just regurgitated Kremlin media. Trump wants to recognize Putin’s annexation of Crimea and to lift sanctions.

            These are just some of the reasons why the Ukrainian people do not trust Trump, and it has nothing to do with the bogeyman media.

          • Dalton

            “Thank you for admitting it, finally.”
            I never denied it or do you think by saying it in the affirmative, people will believe your bs?

            “You still haven’t explained why it is relevant to Trump. ”
            Um yes I did.

            ” The only relevance I can see is that Trump sent Manafort to get the provision of lethal weaponry to Ukraine dropped from the Republican platform”
            Now you give yourself away as a propagandist troll. This was a fabrication, period. You make a statement of fact that’s based on conjecture or speculation by a completely hostile media. Both Manafort and Trump were asked about the change in platforms and both stated they had nothing to do with it nor did they even know about them until they heard from the media.
            “you’re beginning to sound a bit like a Putintroll… I guess all corrupt socialist types practice the same tactics..

            “Since nobody has said it isn’t, why waste our time with comments like this?” Because it would be reasonable to ask since there is absolutely no mention of Ukraine in the Dem Platform and THAT should be a problem for anyone who knew it. Thanks to the “boogeyman media” they don’t know, as you didn’t until I told you.

            “Oh please – now you think you know what I am concerned about? ”
            Actually I could give two F&^*ing cents what you’re concerned with. You’re doing nothing but presenting the same sh*t anyone can hear on CNN every day and think you can make it true.

            “He sent Manafort to pressure the sub-committee to remove the Republican party commitment to supply lethal aid to Ukraine.”
            Really? Says who exactly? Someone from the “sub-committee”? Of what? The RNC members draft the platform, do you mean a sub-committee of the RNC? Never knew there was such but you must be more in touch than me so feel free to show your sources.

            “It sounds like you are just hoping people have forgotten the facts.”
            No, read slowly… I AM ASKING YOU FOR THE FACT. >>>>I’m still waiting on your evidence that Trump has “attacked” Ukraine.<<<< You said this, All I am doing is asking if you (or anyone else) can provide a source for your claim and even asked if anyone reading this can because so far nothing you have said is "attacking Ukraine."

            Again since you are comparing candidates and now Platforms, please show me where in the Democratic Platform where there is a commitment to provide lethal aid to Ukraine? In fact let me help you – The Republicans say – "We support maintaining and, if warranted, increasing sanctions, together with our allies, against Russia unless and until Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity are fully restored. We also support providing appropriate assistance to the armed forces of Ukraine and greater coordination with NATO defense planning."

            Now see if you can find the paragraph that discusses specifically Ukraine in the Democratic platform. I'll save you time – You can't because there is none.

            And why hasn't anyone asked why the "lethal weapons for Ukraine" isn't in the Democratic platform? Did Hillary's cozy and PROFITABLE relationship with Putin cause her to pressure the omission of Ukraine in the platform? Why no questions for Hillary about Ukraine? Oh that's right, "Since nobody has said it isn't, why waste our time with comments like this?"

            Tell you what Alex, you remind me of a Putineer who I really don't care to waste my time. Just go tell your boss that you were a good boy and get your cookie.

          • Alex George

            No it wasn’t a fabrication, rather Manafort’s denials have been shown to be a fabrication. Too many witnesses this time.

            And Yes I agree – you are beginning to sound a bit like a Putintroll… I guess all corrupt socialist types practice the same tactics.

            Once again you waste our time trying to prove how bad the democrats are – we already know that. But we can also see how useless, incompetent and a liar Trump is. And he caused the reference to lethal weapons to be removed from the republican platform – he truly does seem to be a democrat.

            Tell you what Dalton, you remind me of a Putineer who I really don’t care to waste my time. Just go tell your boss that you were a good boy and get your cookie.

          • Dalton

            Ah and back to argue without a shred of evidence of claims. “Manafort’s denials have been shown to be a fabrication. Too many witnesses this time.” Really? Show the evidence of this, I’d like to see it.

            Let me ask you one simple question Alex- do you even CARE what the positions are on Ukraine? Since I’m unable to see your history, I haven’t a clue whether you even support Ukraine in its struggle and its independent future, so answer that first. My sentiments are easy to find and are unwavering.

            And let me correct you – I’m not “trying to prove how bad the democrats are” I’m trying to illustrate that a Trump presidency would be better for Ukraine than a Hillary presidency.

            You argue about the Republican platform like a Hillary shill trying to make a story about the lack of specific wording to provide weapons to Ukraine, while completely ignoring the fact that there isn’t even a mention of ANY assistance or support in the Democratic platform. Have you even READ the platforms?

            You and the mainstream press has and continues to bring up the change in the Republican platform on lethal weapons which was twisted it into a hit on Trump trying to tie him to Russia. You stated – “And he caused the reference to lethal weapons for Ukraine to be removed from the Republican platform” as if it’s a fact, so show your evidence, I’m open to truth, so show it. In fact, why don’t you show a copy of the platform draft that was supposedly changed. I’ve seen a copy of what was purported to be the original Republican platform (https://www.scribd.com/document/317939879/Draft-2016-GOP-Platform) and funny thing is that I didn’t see any reference to lethal weapons, maybe you can find it and point it out, since you portray yourself as factual expert.

            Your tactics of making claims without evidence and expecting it to be accepted as fact is typical of Putineer trolls but since I can’t see if you even have a position on Ukraine as I said earlier, then it may be you’re just a lover of mankind and peacemonger that uses the same tactics, regardless, how about enlightening me and anyone who happens to read this. Either way, if you aren’t able to show evidence of your “facts” then thank you for proving my point.

          • Alex George

            Spare me your attempts to be clever, they aren’t working. So too your attempts to pretend you care about Ukraine. My position, on this site and others, is well known.

            There has been plenty about the three or four people who have witnessed Manafort’s attendance at the committee meetings wherein the decision was taken to remove weapons for Ukraine, so again, spare me your attempts to be clever. Either you are ignorant, or dissembling.

            And yes, you are trying to prove how bad the democrats are, and you are wasting our time in that endeavour.

            “And he caused the reference to lethal weapons for Ukraine to be removed from the Republican platform”

            Exactly – thank you. And yes, you do sound like a putineer troll.

          • Dalton

            Oh wait, I get it now…if YOU repeat something again and again, you become your own source to prove your points I understand now. Tell me, is your incredible intellect a product of group effort? You know, all those voices in your head? I bet you’re so clever you know which finger I’m saluting you with eh Georgie?

          • MichaelA

            mate do you have anything to say except abuse?

          • Dalton

            Excuse me? Did you not read the previous part of the conversation? I believe I was fairly clear and also was asking for clarification and information and was met with smug offensive rhetoric. When I’m confronted by such “abuse” I have no problem reacting.

          • Dalton

            Waiting for your evidence of “attacked Ukraine” .. seriously if anyone can show this please do so.
            And yes, it is the media doing its best to get Hillary elected. If you can’t see that, well you aren’t looking, but that’s okay, it’s common.

          • Alex George

            “Waiting for your evidence of “attacked Ukraine” …”

            No you aren’t, you are just dodging it, hoping that people have forgotten the facts.

            When Trump repeatedly assured everyone in absolute terms that Putin “is not going into Ukraine” (how on earth does anyone know that about any country?) that was an attack on Ukraine. It is clear that Putin will go further, if he is not prevented by political and military force. But Trump made that worse in a later tweet where he clarified this to say Putin was “in Crimea”. Trump doesn’t consider Putin is even in the Donbass.

            He sent Manafort to the sub-committee to remove the Republican party commitment to supply lethal aid to Ukraine.

            He also came out with this little gem: “The people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were” – in fairness, this isn’t original, just regurgitated Kremlin media. Trump wants to recognize Putin’s annexation of Crimea and to lift sanctions.

            These are just some of the reasons why the Ukrainian people do not trust Trump, and it has nothing to do with the bogeyman media.

            And yes, Trump is the one doing his best to get Hillary elected. If you can’t see that, well you aren’t looking, but that’s okay, it’s common.

    • slavko

      Sometimes it seems like Trump is pushing Clinton into the White House. Especially considering how fiercely he eliminated mainstream Republican contenders for the Presidency. And now, the stuff he is saying seems to be indirectly supporting Clinton’s bid.

  • briankerfuffel

    “thus raises questions about the political sophistication of the American voters.”

    For this, we need to lay a lot of blame to the media that sells sound bites instead of sound analysis, and some to the education system which has skipped over critical analysis. :(

  • Mikronos

    Trump would like to regain the position that Bushco had after ‘looking into Putin’s eyes’ and seeing his soul.

    Obama thought he could finesse the Russian. He tried to do that by getting Russian support for 30-day ‘humanitarian’ mission in Libya. When that went well past the 4 month mark and resulted in a coup – destabilizing what had been a Russian friend – and most of North Africa as well, Putin decided that Obama was not to be trusted. The Ukrainian coup proved that.

    So, between Netanyahu and himself, they aged Obama well-beyond his years and did to him on the world stage what the Republicans in the legislature were doing to him at home. Obama is not just a lame duck President, he’s a castrated President.

    Trump might be able to deal effectively with Putin. Clinton is just another world of hurt for America.

    • Alex George

      You wish. Putin is a pathetic, incompetent leader. He is driving Russia into the mire, through a combination of stupidity and greed. Future generations of Russians will curse him for it, but it will be too late then, as Russia falls apart.

      Russia needed a Peter the Great or an Ivan Grozny at this critical time in its history. Instead, it got a re-run of Nicholas II.

      • Mikronos

        I don’t wish, I read. Trump has claimed that he will deal with Putin in a reasonable way.

  • David Gearhart

    Trump is a negotiater, he is also a man of action. The world will fear him and repeact him. Obama is a joke that has no respect. His lies and talk of action are just more lies.