The West is demanding elections in occupied Donbas by June –sources

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2016/03/13 • Analysis & Opinion

If Ukraine fails to hold elections in the Russian-occupied territories of the Donbas by June, the West threatens to remove EU sanctions against Russia.

Kyiv has been given a new “deadline”: pass a law governing elections in the occupied territories of the Donbas in the next few weeks and hold elections no later than June, reports Serhiy Rakhmanin in the online publication DT.UA, citing inside sources.

“According to our sources, work on the legislation for holding elections in ORDLO (occupied regions of Donetsk and Luhansk — Ed.) is going on. And, as can be expected, it is taking place outside of the ‘Minsk process’ and is not being advertised. President Poroshenko has appointed Ruslan Kniazevych, his representative in the Verkhovna Rada, to oversee the preparation of the document,” Rakhmanin writes.

According to Rakhmanin, a new elections law is being developed in coordination with representatives from Germany and France.

“The developers (of the law) have met at least twice — in Berlin and Kyiv. As far as can be ascertained, Kyiv is convinced that Moscow is not being informed of its plans,” Rakhmanin writes. “However, according to our data, Berlin and Paris not only are sharing all necessary information with the Kremlin, but they are consulting with Russian representatives regarding certain provisions of the law without notifying the Ukrainian side. Our Western partners are much less concerned about the best interests of Ukraine than in the fact that the elections take place. This would allow them to get rid of the (Ukrainian) problem,” he concludes.

According to DT.UA, a source close to Poroshenko says that the Ukrainian government has been given another deadline since Kyiv had not carried out the previous agreement to pass a new elections law for the occupied territories in December 2015 and hold the elections in March 2016. The new terms the West has given Poroshenko call for the elections law to be passed no later than March, and elections to be held no later than June. Otherwise, Kyiv is threatened with the lifting of EU sanctions against Russia — either in June or December. This is supposed to punish Kyiv for not implementing the Minsk agreements. The fact that Moscow is not complying with them either is of no particular concern to Europe since, in their view, Ukraine is the primary violator.”

“The president gambled that the main thing was to gain time and then he would find some solution. But he hasn’t found it. Those close to the president are judging that he has no clear Plan B regarding the Donbas. And that Plan A has been forced on him,” Rakhmanin concludes.

As previously reported, elections in the occupied territories and their recognition by Kyiv are widely seen as the main instrument of Russia’s “dignified withdrawal from the war in the Donbas” that would allow Putin to simultaneously retain control over the occupied territories and achieve the lifting of sanctions.

Translated by: Anna Mostovych
Source: DT.UA

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  • Evelyn Myketa Livingston

    How foolish is that ?? Hold elections, russia keeps Donbas and is sanction free. So russia wins all, ukraine loses all! Is that the best they can come up with?

    • Quartermaster

      The idiots in western Europe simply want the problem to go away so they can keep dealing with the criminal regime in Moscow. Money is what matters and it’s all that matters.

  • Steve

    Once again the mealy mouthed Hollande of France that built Mistrials for Russia, Schoolmarm Merkel of Germany that built a multi million Dollar military training complex IN Russia for Russian Soldiers, Cameroon Cameron of England, and lead from behind man child Obama are showing their true colors. One would think the aforementioned leaders would have the moral courage to hold Russia to giving back control of the Ukrainian Border and removal of all forces per Minsk II before the elections according to Ukrainian law are held as per Minsk II.

    It is time for Ukraine to follow Savchenko’s example and give the one finger salute to the West for selling out the lives of Ukrainians.

    It is time for Ukraine to revive its armaments industry.

    The appeasement of the West and its desire to return to the status quo by selling out the lives of 46 Million People aspiring for the freedom the West has is nauseating. Freedom isn’t Free. The West needs to wake up.

    • Lev Havryliv

      Top comment.

  • Lev Havryliv

    What do Merkel and Hollande want? Elections in Donbas like the sham Crimean referendum?

    The Russian forces are firing on Ukrainian positions continually.

    Don’t Merkel and Hollande have the nouse to see that Russia is conducting a dirty, sneaky war by proxy against Ukraine?

    How about standing up for the victim of Russian aggression and condemning the perpetrator?

    • Czech Mate

      recent statement from rus MFA made it clear. RuSSia is a “third party” in Minsk and thus in the conflict, they think that as long as there are spineless Merkels and Hollandes in the West they can keep this bs up and up ad nauseam… “not our war, no, niet!”

  • Dirk Smith

    Fuck Russia. The West did this after WWII and Yalta, failed on the Budapest Addendum, and now this crime of appeasement. The end result will only be more lives lost due to enabling a mafia syndicate to seize power in the Kremlin, grow their crimes unabated, and given the red carpet by the inept and pathetic West. Sleepwalking and denying reality will end badly. ISIL is the least of the West’s concerns with this lying sociopath getting away with murder at an international level. This KGB sociopath is a state terrorist; no different than North Korea or Iran. Once again, Muscovy is the root cause of evil on our planet.

  • Quartermaster

    Heh! Beyond being able to spell the world in English, you have no clue as to what the word means. You Nazis will never allow real elections.

    • Quartermaster

      I have no doubt that a Neo-Nazi like yourself has no idea what democracy is. Your posts on this site very strong evidence that you are clueless on the matter.

      • Quartermaster

        You refer to the “real world” then you retreat to the fake world you rooskis construct in that space between your ears.

        Russia has yet to abide by either of the Minsk agreements and routinely violates them. The Soviet Union could not be trusted to abide by any agreement it signed either. But, Putin is a product of the Soviet Union and is trying to re-establish it.

        You Russians are simply liars. It is right, and expected, that Russia has made itself a pariah.

      • Lev Havryliv

        What a load of nonsense from our regular Putinbot.

        The Donbas is effectively under Russian occupation and the Russian forces are firing on Ukrainian positions sometimes more than fifty times per day. Some ceasefire?

        The two banana republics DNR and LNR would collapse within days without the massive support of Russian troops and Russian special forces.

        • Quartermaster

          The Russian supported terrorists are the people that engage in provocations. Go home to Russia colonist. Get out of Ukraine, and that includes the place you betrayed, Crimea.
          Take your buddy Putin and his rabid dogs in the Donbas with you.

          • Quartermaster

            When you betray your country it ceases to be yours. You just go back to Muscovy where you and the rest of the hoard belong.

          • Quartermaster

            Which is utterly irrelevant.

          • Quartermaster

            While you are kneeling before your Mongol masters along with the rest of Muscovy.

          • Quartermaster

            My day was just fine.

            Donbas didn’t need federalization. It needed the traitors and Russian mercenaries shot, then the Russian Army expelled back to its homeland.

            If dealing death to innocent people was your aim, then I guess you did the right thing. Certainly all you traitors colonists have done is steal, kill and destroy. Just like your father Satan.

          • Quartermaster

            And you think being a Russian colonist/invader that gives you any authority to speak on the issue? Crimeans didn’t “run” from anyone. their land was stolen from them by you Russian filth. It is now loaded with parasites that are destroying it. Donbas is being destroyed by the same people that stole Crimea. The same “leaders” in the theft of Crimea were active in Donbas after Russia posted them there. That heavy industry that was in Donbas has now been destroyed by the invader with machinery being stolen and shipped to Russia.
            It’s time for you invaders and traitors to go home to Putin.

          • Quartermaster

            Given your response I am compelled to say you haven’t a clue as to what the term “projection” means.
            Much of Antonov still functions and supplies parts to the neo-Soviets in Russia. I doubt you know any more than I do about the ship yards. My understanding is they still function. You also need to look up what the various ship yards produced. Nikolaev was hardly “the” major shipyard in the Soviet Union. On the other hand, one of the things Russia stole in Crimea was a major shipyard, so your protests are really for naught.
            The real concern in Ukraine is what you filthy Russians will steal. Over half of all private businesses in Crimea have been expropriated by the criminal regime that took over. Given the actions of you colonizers and invaders, the real worry is what you thieves have on your eyes on next. Thieves become a pariah no matter where they go. The rest of the world now understands what you thieves really are.

          • Quartermaster

            Settle down and take your medications. I realize the truth is a shocker, but after awhile it will be OK and you can absorb the truth without too much of a shock.

            Antonov is still functioning. As I recall from Soviet Publications, a yard at Kherson built the carriers. Another yard could be modified to build them, but the carriers the Soviet Union built were uniformly junk. The one that India bought took a lot of work, and last I heard, still has not been delivered. Russian ship building is still not up to even Polish or Finnish Standards. Frankly, given Russian history, I don’t see you morons ever coming up to even eastern European standards. Even if you invade Finland or Poland, and steal their yards (you can do this just like you stole the industrial equipment from the Donbas before you destroyed the buildings, or just like you stole the businesses in Crimea. You pirates are really good at theft), you’ll never match their abilities. It’s not that the potential to come up to the mark isn’t there, you’re just too used to stealing and being told every move to make by some dictator that you can’t get your act together well enough to turn out good stuff. Russian Aerospace is still second rate. Brazilians do better and are able to sell their civil aircraft to US and European airlines, but Russia hasn’t managed to do anything of the sort. Even the best fighter aircraft have serious aerodynamic problems that make them inferior to the US F-15, an aircraft that was designed back in the 60s and built in the 70s and 80s, and the F-16, which first came into service in the late 70s and is still being built and sold worldwide.

            So, you can carry on all you like, but beyond theft and lying through your teeth to cover your inferiority, you have nothing Rooski. Nothing at all.

            The Ukranians will take good care of themselves once you get out of their country. The entire decline they’ve suffered has been because of you Russian Pigs.

            Go home to Russia pig. You can at least wallow in an honest mire you created for yourselves.

          • Quartermaster

            I didn’t go off topic, I just went in a direction you don’t like or simply don’t understand. Probably both.
            The industrial base still exists in Ukraine, EXCEPT where you Russian invaders destroyed it as in Donbas, or stole it, as in Crimea. Those are the facts that you don’t like and can’t accept without giving up your paycheck as a liar and propagandist.

          • Quartermaster

            Ukraine is competing in a much different market than Russia is. I fully expect most of the old Soviet industries to go away. Their products were poorly designed and inferior. Ukraine will be far better off if those things go away and rebuild anew in their own way, rather than have Russian pigs determine what is produced.
            What stays will rise to 1st world standards while Russia will continue in its stagnation.

          • Quartermaster

            I’m not tacitly saying anything. I am expecting the old Soviet industries to die because Russian ways are highly inferior to those of the west. Ukrainian industry will rise from the post-soviet ashes, while Russia sinks into stasis and poverty. Russia’s future is not bright, and it is digging a deeper hole, and you are going to get pulled down into it along with the rest of Russia. You can’t steal yourself rich.

            You people had a chance to join the west. Instead, you chose a narcissistic moron as a national leader. Things may seem great now, but your ending is not far in the future.

            No we will never agree. I seek truth, not lies or propaganda.

        • Lev Havryliv

          Your comment is typical Kremlin-inspired propaganda.

          It is the Russian side that is continually violating the ceasefire, as confirmed by NATO intelligence. The Donbas “militia” are under the command of Russian generals.

          There was no destruction of the Donbas until the Russian invasion.

          Why are you defending Russia’s violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity?

  • Czech Mate

    Czechs still remeber Treason of Munich where the Western powers knelt down before Hitler and gave him a slice of our land. Our politicians have been present but NOT invited when the “treaty” was discussed and signed. It was humiliating as it was cowardly from Chamberlain and Daladier, Mussolini and Hitler must have been amused by the sight…

    The bitterness towards the West was exploited by communists after the war to tie us to the RuSSian bear. So we paid double in our losses.

    So yeah this sounds wuite familiar. Although I will say this Ukraine, would it really hurt to let Donbas go “temporarily” so that you could build a 100% controlled border and cut aways Putin’s influence on Kyiv government?

    Would “losing” this one battle be actually a good omen in the war against RuSSia? I know it is very hard emotionally but stakes are high and you have to keep cool head in order to come a winner against all odds.

    • Tony

      The historic parallels are both interesting and troubling, russia is still stuck in the imperial mentality.

      Yes I agree, loosing Donbas wont be as bad as it sounds, Ukraine already doesnt have it and they manage fine without it. On the other hand, if Donbass was reintegrated before its time then putin would have his trojan horse and Ukraine would have to pay the reconstruction bill.
      I say give it a temporary independence, its anyway going nowhere economically or socially and eventually the people there will wise up and find the will to fight for dignity and a proper way of life(especially if Ukraine develops and provides a sharp contrast), at that time Ukraine can fight to get it back and until then putin can keep wasting money on this failed project.