Ukrainians advise Moscow patriarch to look for atheists at home

Moscow Patriarch Kirill with Putin

 

2015/05/25 • News

Leaders of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kyiv Patriarchate (UOC-KP) say that Moscow Patriarch Kirill should urge Putin to stop the open aggression against Ukraine instead of accusing Ukrainians of godlessness, reports Ukrinform, Sunday May 24.

Commenting on the statement made by Kirill that “godlessness is becoming the state ideology of Ukraine,” UOC-KP spokesman Archbishop Yevstratiy (Zoria) stated that similar statements by Patriarch Kirill are “part of the Kremlin’s propaganda against Ukraine.”

“This is very strange to hear, especially since the leadership of his own state is engaged in open lies and blatant, deliberate aggression. Why doesn’t he call on the (Russian) leadership to stop actions that are obviously un-Christian? Why doesn’t he urge  his own president to do this? His own president is exhibiting  significantly more signs of a godless person through his  actions than do the leaders of Ukraine,” Archbishop Yevstratiy said.

Furthermore, he added that Kirill’s statements prove that the Moscow church is a tool of the Kremlin:

“In my view, this is one more confirmation that the Russian Orthodox Church is one of the political tools of the Kremlin in the person of its leader. Of course the church is the church and there are believers there as well who are following the path of salvation. However, in its leadership and senior leadership it is a tool of the Kremlin precisely because (Kirill’s) statements are part of Kremlin’s propaganda against Ukraine,” he said.

Nonetheless, Yevstratiy said he was grateful for prayers and said he is confident that God sees everything and knows who is an atheist.

“But if they sincerely pray to God then of course God knows better who is an unbeliever, who is a believer, whom to convert, whom to bless, and whom to punish. And that is why in any case we are grateful for their prayers,” he said.

According to media reports, on May 24, during the Sunday service at the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow, Patriarch Kirill announced that godlessness is becoming the state ideology of Ukraine. According to his words, the (Russian) Orthodox Church prays every day for “the militant godlessness to recede and no longer manifest itself through the (Ukrainian) state government.”

Earlier, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP) through the mouth of its leader, the Metropolitan Onufriy, stated that it opposes the war in the east of Ukraine. That was the reason Onufriy gave when asked why he refused to stand to honor the fallen heroes of Ukraine killed during the ATO operations when their names were called during a special session of the Verkhovna Rada. Throughout the entire period of the occupation of Crimea and the military operations in the Donbas, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church- Moscow Patriarchate has never condemned the actions of the aggressor country.

Translated by: Anna Mostovych
Source: Ukrinform

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  • Dalton

    Funny, the rest of the world sees the militant godlessness in the militants killing and destroying and taking Ukrainian lands. I guess the good Patriarch watches RT as well and doesn’t know of the Russian troops and equipment doing the evil work. Hopefully he won’t bring shame to his church by making the czar his God.

    • Jack McColley

      He already has.

  • Jack McColley

    The theft by Putin of the venerable Russian Orthodox Church. The Church needs to look to its roots, not its politics, and at risk of death stand up to the dictator. Unfortunately, it is corrupt, just like the government. Its leader is in the pocket of the government and in the pockets of the populace. He knows no god but Ceasar.

    • disqus_aJpixObjG7

      No, Jack, the church must NOT look to ITS ROOTS. The church MUST LOOK TO CHRIST and not to any religious traditions as CHRIST COMMANDED: Here are HIS words:
      Mark 7:13 “…thus invalidating the word of God by your religious traditions which you have handed down…”
      Matthew 15:9
      Your worship is a farce, for you teach man-made religious traditions and ideas as commands from God.'”
      The rest of your comment, however, is very apt.

      • Jack McColley

        The roots are in Christ. The corruption is the same corruption that invades the Church in that the church is composed of you and me, and we are all fallible.

        • disqus_aJpixObjG7

          The roots of the Orthodox & Catholic and other LITURGICAL denominations are NOT in CHRIST since Constantine, rather in human traditions and teachings.

          However Jack, you have that right- WE ARE FALLIBLE BUT CHRIST/GOD IS NOT. Therefore our human, fallible, corrupted ideas must never pretend to complete, complement or OVERRIDE Scripture- as is the case in most denominations. We are indeed fallible.
          EXCLUSIVELY- ONLY CHRIST/GOD/HOLY SPIRIT are NOT.

          That is why human traditions that negate the word of Christ were clearly repudiated by Christ Himself.

          The Catholic, Orthodox and many other faiths/denominations are in effect SYNCRETIC “religions”- a mixture of purely human non- biblical (fallible) teachings MIXED- ADDED TO the word of Christ/God as clearly, unequivocally stated in the Bible.

          In other words, the Orthodox and Catholic and other “CHRISTian” faiths are a MIXTURE of ANATHEMA that directly contradicts God’s word (the 66 CANON books of the Bible- without the “APOCHRYPHA”,which were added to canon scripture in the 16th Century-) with God’s Word.

          Any such mixture is utterly BLASPHEMOUS TO GOD/CHRIST.

          If you, personally, PERSONALLY Jack, today…TODAY, take a Bible into YOUR OWN TWO HANDS and read it, guided by the HOLY SPIRIT, THEN no priest, no theologian, no pastor… will be able ever to deceive you again with any teaching that is NOT Biblical.

          THE AVERAGE READER NEEDS ONLY 11 ELEVEN HOURS TO READ THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT.

          THAT IS LESS THAN 2 TWO DAYS OF TV WATCHING FOR THE AVERAGE NORTH AMERICAN.

          Christ COMMANDED us to NOURISH OURSELVES… DAILY… ON HIS WORD. To “eat” His word.

          Would you like to try that today Jack?
          Do you have a Bible?
          Is it ever read in your house?
          Is it dusty somewhere on a shelf?
          The Catholic and Orthodox churches FORBADE READING THE BIBLE for anyone except priests…

          Yet God DENIES THIS AND SAYS THE VERY OPPOSITE:

          CHRIST/GOD COMMANDS you to read His word daily, having been baptised in the HOLY SPIRT, who will REVEAL the Bible to you.

          Who will you obey, TODAY, Jack?- God/Christ or some NEGATOR of Christ in priestly mitre and vestments or behind a pastoral pulpit?

    • puttypants

      Jack it’s roots are not so good. Look at who was in bed with the communists starting from 1917 thru WW2. Look at the horror of the communists and what they did to the people. Take a look at the Priests during Czar times as well. No this church does not have a moral history.

      • Jack McColley

        I meant it’s roots were in the New Testament, not in its political history.

      • disqus_aJpixObjG7

        Bravo Putty! The Word of CHRIST/GOD can never be mixed with any human dogmas. Pls see my answer to jack…

    • LES1

      Kirill is an anti-Christ.

      Exodus 20

      13 Thou shalt not kill.

      15 Thou shalt not steal.

      16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

      Изход 20

      13 Не вбивай!

      15 Не кради!

      16 Не свідкуй неправдиво на свого ближнього!

  • disqus_aJpixObjG7

    MACCHIAVELLI CLEARLY INSTRUCTED EVERY STATE LEADER:

    “Pretend that you are a pious Christian. Show yourself in church. Show yourself in pious poses, with hands folded in prayer, making the sign of the cross, bowing your head… Make pious statements…

    In that way the people will believe that you are a Christian, a pious man and you will gain their good will to manipulate them. ” (Pls read “the Prince” online by Machiavelli.)

    THAT IS WHY EVERY US PRESIDENT, PUTIN, (even SADAM HUSSEIN etc) AND ALMOST ALL TYRANTS AND MASS MURDERERS FOLLOW THIS ADVICE.

    THAT IS WHY PUTIN and the CRIMINALS i repeat the CRIMINAL KGB FSB russian patriarch and the head of the Kremlin orthodox church in UKRAINE are NOT CHRISTIANS but rather they are CRIMINALS AND MASS MURDERERS.

    The word “CHRISTian” has the word “CHRIST” in it. THIS MEANS THAT no one…NO ONE…BUT CHRIST defines who is a Christian ACCORDING TO HIS WORD. And HIS word on this question is unequivocal: “Are you your own boss or have you submitted your life to me…?”
    Putin is trash- a mass murderer, plunderer… he is NOT a Christian nor are his trash criminal KGB murderer “patriarchs”.

    • Jack McColley

      I’m so happy for you that you know everything about Christianity…….but then you don’t, nor do I.

      • disqus_aJpixObjG7

        ONLY CHRIST/GOD/HOLY SPIRIT know everything about CHRISTianity CHRIST- ianity.
        Christ and the HOLY SPIRIT take up residence IN YOU when you simply, humbly ,sincerely ask Him to.

        This you can do RIGHT NOW Jack, at this very moment.

        It is your choice.
        John 14:20
        Jesus: When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
        Colossians 1:27
        To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

        To be “religious” is an offense to God/Christ.

        To know Christ PERSONALLY is what you and I were created for.

        Christ COMMANDED YOU- PERSONALLY- Jack to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and to receive the gifts of the Holy Spirit. They are waiting , yours for the asking.

        “And while staying with them He [Jesus Christ] charged them not to
        depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father,
        which, he said, ‘You heard from me, for John baptized with water,
        but before many days you shall be baptized with the Holy
        Spirit.’” (Acts 1:4–5)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_with_the_Holy_Spirit

        • Jack McColley

          I find most fundamentalists like you have turned the Bible (the Words about God) into the Word of God. Of course the Word of God is Jesus Christ himself, not the book which is a very fallible witness to His truth. You fundamentalists claim to believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God: that is until something in it does not conform with your personal beliefs. Then you rationalize it away. “That was the Old Testament,” you may say when something does not fit into your personal belief system. But you will quote the same Old Testament to prove your ideas. The Bible is the best witness we have of the truth of Christ, but to make it “infallible” is not only wrong, it’s absolutely ludicrous, and it lessens its value. The liturgical churches are also fallible (and by the way The Gospel of John is a product of the liturgical church. in fact the entire new testament was codified by the liturgical church)..Reading the Bible alone without any knowledge of when and where and to whom it was written is naive. I know you will have an answer for everything I say, and I will not engage you in this. You are in my opinion wrong. Because you chose to preach to me from a position of authority, however, has led me to answer you with my beliefs. I have an advanced degree in theology, but of course, by simply reading the books of the Bible I am sure you believe you have a far superior knowledge of our Savior than I.

        • Jack McColley

          You are an arrogant ignoramus.

  • Olga Dora Garbar

    Me da verguenza la Iglesia de Rusia. Siempre estuvo atada al Kremlin y Putina es el mas grande ateo de su país.- La iglesia Ucraniana sufrio mucho con el comunismo y gracias a Dios sigue en pie y de excelente salud.- Ellos si tienen amor al prójimo!!!!

    • Jack McColley

      Estoy de acuerdo.

  • Karl Ramboz

    Attitudes against atheism hasn’t changed much I see. At least Ukrainian and Moscow patriarchates can agree to oppress one sort of boogeyman. I bet they would both agree on oppression of Jews too.

  • Vol Ya

    The russian orthodox church is a total criminal enterprise. It is a combination of KGB and propaganda tool for putin. We should petition all western governments to strip the russian orthodox church of its tax free status and its status as a religious organization. Instead it should be listed as a terrorist organization