Putin and Trump may have chemistry but they don’t have physics to make a deal, Portnikov says

Putin-Trump meeting in Hamburg, Germany in July 2017 (Image: screen capture)

Putin-Trump meeting in Hamburg, Germany in July 2017 (Image: screen capture) 

Analysis & Opinion, Russia

Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump may have achieved a certain “chemistry” at their meeting in Hamburg, as US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson suggests; but neither leader has the underlying “physics” that will allow for any real agreement or the capitulation of one to the other, according to Vitaly Portnikov.

The Ukrainian commentator argues that as a result, the meeting was less significant than many have wanted to make it into because at least at the present time, “both leaders simply do not have the platforms needed for an agreement” or even for approaching one in any serious way.

Portnikov argues that “Trump cannot capitulate to Vladimir Putin even if he wanted to but he doesn’t want to” for three reasons:

  • First, “he is president of the US,” and the relative power of the two countries is incomparable even when Moscow “decides to make use of the newest technologies for the destabilization of its opponent.”
  • Second, the state he leads is itself a barrier to any capitulation given how Moscow has been behaving.
  • And third, Trump can’t because he and his closest collaborators are “figures of an investigation into possible contacts with the Russians during the election” and the president must show “that he does not have any relationship to these contacts.”

But Putin cannot capitulate to Trump either and for three important reasons:

  • First, Putin long ago left the world of reality for a world based on fantasies of his importance.
  • Second, “capitulation would mean the collapse of Putin’s authority” in the eyes of his security service cronies.
  • And third, just as Trump has nothing to offer Putin so Putin has nothing to offer Trump which is not inconsistent with the political and “what is most important” economic systems of the countries that they head.

As a result, the two could talk as long as they wanted – “an hour, two or even three” and nothing would result, Portnikov says. Indeed, what their aides did announce after the meeting of the two shows just how little the meeting mattered as far as key issues are concerned.

The partial agreement on Syria had already been worked out before the meeting and in fact was announced nearly simultaneously in Jordan because it reflected the work of more than just the US and Russia. If the two are going to resolve the Syrian crisis, it will take far more than what has been announced.

As to Ukraine, it has turned out that “the American administration has no new form, that its entire model involves the demand that the Minsk accords be fulfilled and that there be a separate channel between the White House and the Kremlin,” something that was already in place under Barack Obama.

Kurt Volker, the new special US representative on Ukraine, is known as a hawk but in fact he simply is someone who “thinks in a sober-minded fashion.” That is indeed “an important signal to Moscow” that the Trump Administration is “prepared to wait until Russia weakens and capitulates” and better to the US than to the EU.

But Putin “will not capitulate,” and that appears to be something that hasn’t entered Trump’s mind, Portnikov says.

And as far as cyber-security is concerned. Trump knows that Putin is lying, but he has no strategy for dealing with that either. Consequently, the meeting could be praised by Tillerson only for allowing the two leaders to achieve a certain “chemistry” in their relationship. But “this has no importance at all.”

“Because ‘chemistry’ without ‘the physics’” which operates on the real laws of the world, isn’t going to produce any result at all.

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  • laker48

    It suma it up. The meeting was likely just another exercise in futility.

    • veth

      Putin lies every word he speaks, Trump believes every word Putin speaks………….

      • laker48

        LOL! Trump is tło smart do believe a single word spoken by the dwarf.

        • veth

          Trump and smart, haha, only Trump will believe that

          • laker48

            Yes, he is, as opposite to some haters barking behind the fence. He’s built the world’s largest real estate empire and became the 45th President od the United States of America, but what about your
            achievements, genius?

          • veth

            He got 300 million from an Russian bank owned by Putin to keep his broken empire afloat……..

          • laker48

            Go ahead and prove it! Trump’s enemies will make you a billionaire. :)
            BTW, one may wonder where lie the limits of some people’s idiocy.

          • Screwdriver

            Too much CNN is bad for you

      • Turtler

        “Putin lies every word he speaks,”

        Nah, give the Psycho credit. Even he can be honest… SOMETIMES. For instance, when he admitted Russian troops were the ones that conquered Crimea…. *after* lying by denying it.

        “Trump believes every word Putin speaks………….”

        Don’t see it, especially since he explicitly contradicted the meme Putin’s been putting out that Khan Shaykhun was totally not gassed by Putin’s little Arab “bottom”, Weak Chin Assad.

        And that contradiction has been noted by both sides. Including Putin’s pet Goebbelses in the Media like RT. (Warning: EXACTLY the kind of totalitarian, projectile-vomit inducing, genocide denying racist claptrap you’d expect from the Polonium Dwarf’s pawns. https://www.rt.com/usa/384520-postol-report-sarin-syria/ )

        So they clearly don’t believe everything each other say.

  • Ihor Dawydiak

    Far too much stress has been placed on the significance of grandiose meetings such as the G20 summits since any arrangements for agreements on issues of vital importance could take months or even years of previous negotiations via various interlocutors. Therefore, at best such meetings are better defined as occasions for world leaders to formally sign documents and/or to get to know one another on a more personal basis. The rest is nothing more than public relations and posturing for general consumption.

    • veth

      Poroshenko calls on Russia to stop killings in Donbas Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko during his joint press conference with U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in Kyiv July 9 has urged Russia to show good will for a peaceful settlement in Donbas and stop the killings and attacks in eastern Ukraine, an UNIAN correspondent reports.

      Read more on UNIAN: https://www.unian.info/politics/2019004-poroshenko-calls-on-russia-to-stop-killings-in-donbas.html

      • Screwdriver

        “Poroshenko calls on Russia to stop killings in Donbas” ? Looks like Poroshenko wants to have exclusive rights, ….so far the most people got killed from Ukrainian artillery and Ukrainian airstrikes.

        • laker48

          Your source of “information” is years late, as there’ve been no air strikes in the Donbas for almost three years now. The artillery is active on bogu sides wiru the Ukrainians mostly returning fired from the terrorist-held terrtory.

          • Screwdriver

            Airstrikes gone, but artillery fire still kill civilians, mostly on DPR controlled territory. And…There is no such thing as “returning fire” per OSCE.

          • laker48

            Alcohol-intoxicated and high on drugs local thugs and their RuSSian sponsors illegally occupying part of Ukrainian territory in Donbas fire artillery and tank guns on Ukrainian civilians they rob and terrorise on a daily basis. Without RuSSian support and RuSSian mercenaries, the Ukrainian army would have fought that territory back within single weeks.

          • Screwdriver

            Different UKRAINIAN! sources estimate about 5000 Russian troops in Donbass and 25-30000 “Alcohol-intoxicated local thugs”. Ukrainian Army is at least 60000. So how come more powerful Ukrainian army do nothing, other then firing shells on Donetsk residential areas ?

          • laker48

            The Ukrainian army is even larger, but over 100,000 armed to the teeth katsaps stay across the border they control in 100%. Remember Georgia in 2008! Ukraine’s strategy is right, as it drains RuSSian resources and introduces demoralisation into the ranks of both the katsaps and the local thugs they support. Mind you that at least five katsap generals have been killed in Donbas since July 2014. This is another Afghanistan for Putlerreich that will eventually bankrupt it, as it was the case with the much more powerful Soviets in 1991. Keeping Ukraine solvent costs the West peanuts. The introduction of Javelin or Spike-LR antitank missiles is obły

          • Screwdriver

            “The Ukrainian army is even larger, but over 100,000 armed to the teeth katsaps stay across the border they control in 100%.”
            So why they even started “ATO” and started to fight if they knew they will be doomed ?
            “Ukraine’s strategy is right, as it drains RuSSian resources”
            There is no such strategy. This war is not a free ride for Ukraine. And remember , Russian pockets are deeper then Ukrainian regime pockets.
            The only demoralization in Russia is that many people upset that Putin did not have balls to liberate Ukraine. I hope people in Russia will vote one day for somebody who is more determined to help Ukraine to get rid of Bandera regime.

          • laker48

            LOL! RuSSian pockets are deeper than Ukrainian, but not deeper than American ones. BTW, Putler would have invaded eastern Ukraine and rammed a land corridor to Crimea

  • Gary Hylton

    Trump is Putin’s big dummy. Trump owes Putin millions of dollars and many favors Trump is being black mailed by the Russians along with his mobster children.

    • Turtler

      “Trump is Putin’s big dummy. ”

      As an opponent of Trump’s back during the primary, I don’t see it.

      And in case anybody wants to argue about it, I think it’s best established by looking at indisputable, ACTUAL cases of Big Dummies that were previously under Moscow’s thumb. The likes of Mao’s CCP, Tito’s JANL, and Hoxha’s generally bat guano insane lunatics in Albania. All of whom started out as explicit puppets of the USSR due to the way the COMINTERN worked. All of whom took marching orders from Moscow- and particularly Uncle Joe- on a FAR more direct level than anybody can claim Trump ever has.

      All of whom were basically Russian client states or puppets in the period immediately after WWII.

      And yet every single damn one of them ultimately snapped their puppet strings and went their own murderous way, occasionally teaming up with the Kremlin later when circumstances allowed but never, ever becoming puppets again.

      If the Kremlin can’t keep “big dummies” under control when it’s a global superpower with a third of Eurasia under its’ massive, multi-million man Jackboot, what hope does this third world sinkhole have?

      “Trump owes Putin millions of dollars and many favors”

      Let’s assume that’s true, in spite of the latter being quite questionable.

      Why would that affect things?

      Hoxha and Mao both owed FAR more than dollar figures and some ambiguous “favors” to Stalin and Khruschev. They owed their entire freaking armies, equipment for said armies, diplomatic protection, and strategic reassurances to the Red Tsars of the Kremlin; only Tito in Yugoslavia can arguably be said to have forged his army and its’ gear under his own weight and to have greeted the Red Army as a somewhat equal ally (and it’s notable he was the first to split).

      And yet they all broke away in a few decades, max.

      And one of the unsavory things i’ve seen get brought up about Trump and his ethics by his opponents- and justifiably so- but rarely gets applied to this is simple: Trump Isn’t That Great at paying his monetary dues.

      There’s a reason his Prenup was insanely one sided and harsh, and why plenty of lenders won’t touch him with a barge pole. Why would he show more fidelity to a hidden, damning deal with Putin than he has to his ex-wife?

      The other thing I didn’t mention is that at the time, Albania, Yugoslavia, and the PRC all ranged from being MUCH less powerful than the USSR, to MuchMuchMUCH less powerful than it. And yet in the end the USSR could not keep them under toe.

      Even if Trump started out his Presidency as a “Big Dummy” of the Kremlin, the fact is he’s now the Chief Executive for the most powerful country on the planet, INCLUDING being vastly more powerful than the Polonium Dwarf’s gulag with borders and a drinking problem. And that means that even with the POTUS not being a totalitarian dictator like Putin is, Trump is more powerful than the Bald Bullockser.

      So even if we Assume he’s their dummy, how would Putin impose his power ove Trump without giving the game away?

      “Trump is being black mailed by the Russians along with his
      mobster children.”

      Mate, you need to study the Mob more.

      And as for that… dubious at best. Especially since stuff like the peegate dossier don’t go anywhere (and indeed the company that produced it is now under threat of a Subpeona from the Senate…), at most I’d imagine the Kremlin has some mildly embarassing stuff. Sexual peccadilloes, tapes that are legal but PR poison, or the like. Like what the KGB would spend huge amounts of time and effort getting in the old days.

      That stuff is certainly not something Trump would want getting out….. but it’s unlikely to be the kind of impeachment one shot kill bullet.

  • Dirk Smith

    Once again, we choose to promote and enable a third-world sociopath. I dream where fascist ruSSia would be if McCain or Romney were elected. ruSSia is all smoke and mirrors and has gotten away with murder because of the naivety of the West.

    • laker48

      Very much so and Trump knows this.

  • zorbatheturk

    This meeting was an exercise in inanity.

  • http://www.krantvannederland.nl/ Cees Boogaart

    “And as far as cyber-security is concerned. Trump knows that Putin is lying, but he has no strategy for dealing with that either.”

    Ofc he has, NATO already said cyberattacks could/should invoke art. 5, so if that is happening/has happened, can or counter-attack or far EASIER close the hubs connecting RF (or Moscow-Petersburg regions-Moscovy) to international Internet, and/or uplift sanctions (USA now at level 3) step(s) higher incl. SWIFT.

    One of my sites on which I share newsfeeds from/about Ukraine on, was under attack from first week, couldn’t get on it myself, untill I got on it in middle of night, and found out all traffic to site was from St. Petersburg (trollfactory?) , I blocked Petersburg and Moscow regions, and no downtime since then.

    RF Kremlin has blocked in RF millions of websites and webpages from abroad, as I found out cause a troll reported on a link to sources I gave him he got this msg:
    “This resource is blocked by decision of public authorities of Russian Federation” so now everyone who has been blocked to that site of me get’s a message which says:
    “This resource is blocked by decision of the FREE WORLD to the Moskals, trolls and kremlina’s of RF- Moscovy”

    • laker48

      The “deal” has already been revoked by the Yanks. The Trump administration and Congress don’t trust RuSSia and its Fuhrer Shorty the Shirtless.

  • Screwdriver

    “don`t have “physics” to make a deal”.
    Well, for Portnikov , who is a homo, …. of course is quintessential to have “physics” to make a deal. :-) But sorry faggot, those fellows are not in your club.