The Soviet foundations of Russia’s Great Patriotic War myth

One of the many posters dedicated to the Great Patriotic War myth. Translation: "We won," "Glory to our great nation, the victorious nation!" - J.Stalin

One of the many posters dedicated to the Great Patriotic War myth. Translation: "We won," "Glory to our great nation, the victorious nation!" - J.Stalin 

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Article by: Yana Prymachenko

The myth of the Great Patriotic War is one of the driving elements of Russia’s expansionism and war in Donbas. The Kremlin leadership uses this myth today as one of the foundational elements of the modern Russian nation to solidify the support of Russians for a strong military leader. As real World War II veterans pass away (those that were 17 years old in 1941 are 93 in 2017), supporting this myth requires new fake veterans, appealing to the memory of deceased relatives, as seen in the “Immortal regiment” marches now being held outside of Russia, and the indoctrination of young children, including preschoolers, by military shows. Despite efforts made after the Euromaidan revolution, the World War II historical discourse in Ukraine still remains shaped by the Soviet narratives. The Great Patriotic Myth itself was coined based on historical falsifications, some of which we will address here based on the materials of historian Yana Prymachenko writing for likbez.org.ua, an educational project to dispel historical myths.

The myth of May 9

The largest myth of the Great Patriotic War is the concept that shifts its time boundaries and accentuates the Soviet-German military conflict of 1941-1945. The start of the war, 1939, when Germany and the USSR invaded Poland, fall out,  as does the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and Soviet-Japanese war.

The historical policy of the USSR embedded the date of May 9 as the end of World War II in the minds of Soviet citizens. In fact, the war ended for the USSR on 2 September 1945.

The act of unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany was signed late in the evening of May 8. The same day, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR immediately issued a decree announcing May 9 as Victory Day. Despite this, battles still continued at the front.

The Germans did not want to surrender to the Soviet army and at all costs tried to break into the Western zones of occupation. Thus, Prague was finally liberated on May 10, and the last group of German troops in Czechoslovakia and Austria were eliminated only on May 19.

Fulfilling obligations to its allies of the anti-Hitler coalition, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan on 8 August  1945. This war was seen as a direct continuation and part of the Great Patriotic War. On 2 September 1945, the day of Japan’s surrender, the USSR Supreme Soviet issued a decree announcing September 3 as the Day of victory over Japanese militarism.

Both holidays – May 9 and September 3 – were state holidays. But in 1947 these days again became working days. The country was devastated, there were many widows and disabled people. Time was needed for reconstruction.

Later, when the memory of the Great Patriotic War became the cornerstone of Soviet ideology, the main emphasis was placed on the victory over Nazi Germany. It eclipsed the rest of the armed conflicts which the Soviet Union took part in during the Second World War (the invasion of Poland, the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940, Soviet-Japanese War).

In 1965, May 9 became a state holiday once again, with compulsory military parades in honor of the date. Thus, May 9 stuck in the public conscience as Victory Day and the date when the war ended.

Formally, however, the war with Germany was over only on 25 January 1955 by the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet “On ending the state of war between the USSR and Germany.”

The myth of the great victory of the Soviet people

Leonid Brezhnev (left) laid the foundation of the Great Patriotic War myth defining Russian policy today

Leonid Brezhnev (left) laid the foundation of the Great Patriotic War myth defining Russian policy today

“If we talk about the main hero of the Great Patriotic War, this immortal hero is the whole friendly family of peoples who inhabit our country and are welded together by the unbreakable bonds of the brotherhood. Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Lithuanians, Moldovans, Latvians, Kyrgyzians, Tajiks, Armenians, Turkmens, Estonians – in short, the sons of all the nations of the Soviet Union rose to defend their Motherland. (Applause.) The Leninist national policy of the Party has stood the test of war. Fascism failed to drive a wedge between the socialist nations. Their fraternal alliance showed its strength and vitality, was one of the main sources of victory over the fascist invaders. Let the indestructible friendship of our peoples live forever, grow stronger and flourish!

Brezhnev, L. The Great Victory of the Soviet People, Brezhnev, L. I. The Leninist Course. Speeches and articles. In 2 volumes, T. 1. – M .: Publishing House of Political Literature, 1970.

On 8 May 1965, Leonid Brezhnev, the first Secretary of the Central Council of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, made a report at a ceremonial meeting in the Kremlin palace of Congress dedicated to the 20th anniversary of the victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War, “The great victory of the Soviet Nation.”

This report laid the foundation for a new heroized image of the Soviet people and the mythologization of the Great Patriotic War. The images of the “Great Victory” and the “Victorious Nation” became one of the key components around which the Kremlin ideologists started building a new historical community – the “Soviet Nation.”

The Brezhnev report became a manifesto of a new Soviet memorial policy. It defined the ideologically “correct” image of the Great Patriotic War in the Soviet public space. The “Great Victory” and “Victorious Nation” became the main component of this myth, which overshadowed the mythology of the Civil War [leading to the creation of the Soviet Union in 1922].

The victory of the Soviet people in May 1945 was proclaimed a natural consequence of the advantages of the socialist system, the Leninist national policy, and the wise leadership of the Communist Party.

The friendship of the peoples of the fraternal republics of the USSR, the moral and political unity and patriotism of the Soviet people were declared the determining factors of victory.

The victory itself proclaimed to be of global historical significance, since it saved humanity from fascism.

The significance of the assistance and contribution of the Allied forces to the victory over Hitler was in every way understated. But the role of the Communist underground and partisan movements in the occupied countries and allies of Nazi Germany were, on the contrary, exaggerated.

The Soviet ideologists proclaimed that the struggle and defeat of fascism raised a wave of socialist revolutions that liberated the people of Europe from reactionary regimes.

Thus, the formation of communist governments which were friendly to the Soviet Union in “liberated” European countries appeared to be quite natural.

Basically, the history of the Soviet-German war was emasculated. Everything which didn’t fit into the image of the unity of the Soviet people in the fight against fascism, like the national liberation movements of the non-Russian peoples of the USSR or collaborationism, which was treated as a marginal and not a mass phenomenon, was left out. Like the Soviet defeat of the first days of the war, the tragedy of Soviet prisoners of war, and the fate of the Ostarbeiters.

Neither was there a place for the Holocaust. Soviet ideologists did not want to highlight the sufferings of the Jewish people out of the overall picture of Nazi crimes against peaceful Soviet citizens.

The conflict-less, one-dimensional, lacquered myth of the Great Patriotic War and the images of the “Great Victory” / “Victorious Nation” were put in the basis of the formation of a new progressive community – the “Soviet  Nation.”

And was the Soviet Nation a winner? Sure. They were millions of people who risked their lives and died in the most cruel human meat grinder of history. But each of them was a Person, and not a bargaining chip of someone’s ideology.

Ukraine is still influenced by this black-and-white discourse of the Great Patriotic War, which envisions that there were the “right” Ukrainians who fought in the Soviet Army, and the Nazi collaborators. This doesn’t take into account the the 120,000 ethnic Ukrainians who fought in the 1-million Polish army in 1939, out of whom 8,000 died in the first days of the conflict [and the UPA insurgent army fighting against both the Red Army and the Nazis].

Today, Russia attempts to privatize the Victory over Nazi Germany, with Russian President Vladimir Putin dropping remarks that Russia would have won over Nazi Germany without the other nations of the Soviet Union. This is why Ukrainian historians counted how many Ukrainians fought in the ranks of the Red Army and what price Ukraine paid for the war.

According to the estimates of the Ukrainian Institute of Demography, approximately 5.2 million civilians died on the territory of Ukraine, and over 3.5 million were relocated into the deep hinterland together with the factories where they worked. Over 2.8 million Ukrainians died while fighting in the ranks of the Red Army.

Yana Prymachenko completed a PhD in history and works at the Institute of History of the National Academy of Science of Ukraine.

 

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  • Mykola Banderachuk

    the myth makers in moscow are still hard at work spinning their nonsense

    • Mr. Jackson

      MYKOLA YOU NaZZI LOVING TROLL… WALK UNDER THE GATE AND CHEER!!!
      http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2012/1205/360_death_match_0530.jpg

      • RedSquareMaidan

        Try getting a job instead of photo-shopping ruSSian pictures to look like Ukrainian pictures.

        • veth

          Russian troops (who are not in Donbass….) marching in Ukraianin Donetsk today……………

          • Mr. Jackson

            Red Square looked great on May 9, 2017 … as you UkrNaZZi ignorants can see now, you were wrong and you lose! Tell the retard above is time for her to change her name to “Wrong Ukrap” and avatar to “Chicken” – there would never be RedSquareMaidan only love, peace and celebration!! Russia 10 points – Ukrapine zero… eh!!

          • Alex George

            So everyone can see they were wrong because Red Square “looked” good? LMAO – such a typical Russian, who thinks looks are a substitute for reality!

            It’s not surprising your army lost in the Donbass – there is no substitute for real courage, and modern Russian boys don’t have it.

          • Mr. Jackson

            Typical Andrew Chmilewsky *180 degree* flipped comment … such you recently made when claiming Jasenovac was Serbian Concentration Campus when in fact you know that Jasenovac was concentration campus in which Vatican-sponsored NaZZi Croatian regime murdered 1.2mill jews, serbs and romas.

          • Alex George

            LMAO, you silly old fool, who can’t even detect the difference between me and Andrew Chmile!

            It’s not surprising your army lost in the Donbass – there is no substitute for real courage, and modern Russian boys don’t have it.

          • Mr. Jackson

            Do you like ANDREW like SERBIAN-cock? MichaelA aka Alex George, dirty “Greek Catholic” aka Galician Swine Andrew does not like you!

          • Alex George

            LMAO – so now I am Michaela as well as Andrew Chmile! You really are a senile old fool.

            Your army lost in the Donbass, because Russian boys lack courage and motivation.

            Now even your idol Strelkov admits that the Russian army cannot defeat the Ukrainian army in battle. Suck it up, pal.

          • Mr. Jackson

            You Talmudist and Nazzi-loving “Greek” Catholic (read jokesters) are fighting an upside battle here.

          • Mr. Jackson

            You are deluded Pro-Catholic Trash, yes?

        • Mr. Jackson

          Eh, … truth bothers you a lot, MaidanRetardentko ? Eastern Ukraine’s patriots would not rest until they defeat UkrNazzis and you Hitler Loving Animals from Lviv!

          • Alex George

            Correct – eastern Ukraine’s patriots will not rest until they defeat the Krem nazzis and hitler-loving animals from Moscow.

          • Mr. Jackson

            Eh, … the truth about Vatican-backed Nazzis in Galicia bothers you a lot, MaidanRetardentko?

          • Alex George

            Not at all, since there is no truth to it. You just can’t handle the fact that Russian-speaking Ukrainians were the most opposed to Putin.

            Eastern Ukraine’s patriots will not rest until they defeat the Krem nazzis and hitler-loving animals from Moscow.

          • Mr. Jackson

            Just like the moon is green, which i what you argued the other day. Galician-stupid is below cretin!

          • Alex George

            What are you going on about now?

            You just can’t handle the fact that Russian-speaking Ukrainians were the most opposed to Putin. They rejected Putin’s “protection”.

            Eastern Ukraine’s patriots will not rest until they defeat the Krem nazzis and hitler-loving animals from Moscow.

          • Mr. Jackson

            Eastern Ukraine’s patriots will not rest until they defeat the UkrNaZZis and hitler-loving animals from Galicia and Pro-Catholic Wester Ukraine .. I mean Poland.

    • veth

      INFERIOR RUSSIA WANTS TO CONTROL THE WEATHER AS WELL………..GOD WAS NOT BRIBED.

      https://www.unian.info/world/1913501-victory-day-flyover-in-moscow-cancelled-due-to-bad-weather-media.html

  • MichaelA

    Stupid kremtrolls think people will just forget about stalin’s deal with hitler and their agreement to partition Europe

    • RedSquareMaidan

      Ask the Kremtrolls about Lend-Lease and they won’t have a clue that it saved them from speaking German.

      • Dirk Smith

        And Mother Nature……

      • Rafael Hernandez

        You are a total ignorant who should be banned. It was Russian nationalism that won the war

        • Alex George

          Russian nationalism played very little part in it. Stalin was a fascist who allied with Hitler – he joined Adolf in starting the war.

          When Hitler turned on him, Stalin then sought to harness the whole ussr – particularly those who did most of the real fighting, like the Belarusians, Siberians and Ukrainians.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Bs. Why do you think Stalin called USSR the motherland, instead of Soviet? Ever single poster such as “The motherland calls, or in the “name of the motherland were created exactly to promote Russian nationalism, the exact same one that won againt france.

          • Fortranz

            “- It was Russian nationalism that won the war -”

            Really, than why doesn’t this mention anything about what you clam?

            “- On 16 December 1944, Germany made a last attempt on the Western Front by using most of its remaining reserves to launch a massive counter-offensive in the Ardennes to split the Western Allies, encircle large portions of Western Allied troops and capture their primary supply port at Antwerp to prompt a political settlement.[260] By January, the offensive had been repulsed with no strategic objectives fulfilled.[260] In Italy, the Western Allies remained stalemated at the German defensive line. In mid-January 1945, the Soviets and Poles attacked in Poland, pushing from the Vistula to the Oder river in Germany, and overran East Prussia.[261] On 4 February, US, British, and Soviet leaders met for the Yalta Conference. They agreed on the occupation of post-war Germany, and on when the Soviet Union would join the war against Japan.[262]

            In February, the Soviets entered Silesia and Pomerania, while Western Allies entered western Germany and closed to the Rhine river. By March, the Western Allies crossed the Rhine north and south of the Ruhr, encircling the German Army Group B,[263] while the Soviets advanced to Vienna. In early April, the Western Allies finally pushed forward in Italy and swept across western Germany, while Soviet and Polish forces stormed Berlin in late April. American and Soviet forces met at the Elbe river on 25 April. On 30 April 1945, the Reichstag was captured, signalling the military defeat of Nazi Germany.[264]

            Several changes in leadership occurred during this period. On 12 April, President Roosevelt died and was succeeded by Harry Truman. Benito Mussolini was killed by Italian partisans on 28 April.[265] Two days later, Hitler committed suicide, and was succeeded by Grand Admiral Karl Dönitz.[266]

            The German Reichstag after its capture by the Allies, 3 June 1945
            German forces surrendered in Italy on 29 April. Total and unconditional surrender was signed on 7 May, to be effective by the end of 8 May.[267] German Army Group Centre resisted in Prague until 11 May.[268]. -”
            From:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II#Axis_collapse.2C_Allied_victory_.281944.E2.80.9345.29

            You should get your history from other sources than the Brezhnev Soviet era revisionist Russian history Rafael Hernandez.

          • Alex George

            Oh please, use of the word Rodina has zero relevance. Stalin was a fascist who allied with Hitler – he joined Adolf in starting the war.

            When Hitler turned on him, Stalin then sought to harness the whole ussr – particularly those who did most of the real fighting, like the Belarusians, Siberians and Ukrainians

          • Mick Servian

            Hahaha revising history much?

        • Turtler

          Riiiight. Because that’s what destroyed Kido Butai- the Japanese Empire’s combined carrier fleet- at Midway. Russian Freaking Nationalism.

          That’s what prompted Britain to fight on through the darkest days of the war, while Stalin was still shoveling coal, grain, and oil to the Heer. Russian Nationalism.

          That’s what prompted the people of Stevastopol- who were multi ethnic- to fight and die in battle rather than be sent to starve to death or be shot by the Axis.

          “Bs. Why do you think Stalin called USSR the motherland, instead of
          Soviet?”

          I hate to tell you this, but referring to the USSR as “za Rodina” was common. Even Lenin- that quintessential internationalist- did.

          So the idea that Stalin pulled ito ut of his bunghole for this war in particular is false.

          But EVEN IF this had been true, the fact is that it simply ignores most of the rest of the war.

          “the exact same one that won againt france.”

          Sorry, but no. The army that was motivated by Russian Nationalism against the Grand Armee was defeated in the redoubts at Borodino, albeit after a heroic and bitter conflict. And had Napoleon or his Marshals committed the Imperial Guard in the final stages, that army would have been TRAPPED against the river and utterly destroyed.

          What won against France was France’s own utterly incompetent system of provisioning and marching. Which took for granted that the Grand Armee would be able to feed hundreds of thousands of people by basically looting through crop land and “requisitioning” from civilians.

          That coupled with the decision have basically the entire army march along one freaking road meant that when Napoleon failed to destroy the Russian Army at Borodino or make them sue peace, he had to retreat back across a barren wasteland that had been made completely barren by the away journey his troops took to get to Moscow.

          And THAT- not the Russian Winter, not the Russian Pursuit- is what destroyed the Grand Armee, though for what ti is worth Russian guerilla attacks and pursuit were quite effective.

          Do some basic research, chowderhead.

    • Mr. Jackson

      Galician Ukrainians loved Hitler madly… how many of your ancestors wore swastika
      and murdered Jews, Alex George?

      • Alex George

        Since you ask me, none. And that is far less than yours.

        Stalin loved hitler madly – he knew they had the same values.

        • Mr. Jackson

          Stalin, The Catholic, just like Hitler, served Vatrican well while starving to death and murdering Easter Orthodox population.

          • Luke Bruce

            Stalin – atheist
            Hitler – pagan

            You sound like some sort of a Anglo-Protestant moron.

          • Mr. Jackson

            Your comment is common Misconception. Your attitude – Rude and Uneducated.

            Joseph Stalin was born into a prominent Catholic family in Gori, Georgia. His father was a priest and his mother was a devout Catholic. Stalin was educated by Capuchin priests as a boy, and would later be accepted into Tiflis Seminary, a Jesuit institution.

            Despite the Jesuits expulsion in 1820, by Alexander I, many Jesuits still remained within Russian territory, and maintained control of several institutions, including Tiflis Seminary. Stalin himself substantiates this in his interview with Journalist Emil Ludwig (Cohen).

            Some historians propagate the theory that Stalin departed from the seminary shortly before graduating, but this position is untenable. The more logical and credible conclusion is that Stalin graduated as a Jesuit priest, with the assignment to infiltrate and manage the Georgian Underground Movement against the Russian Tsarist Government. Either way, we know he was Jesuit trained, and on mission to enforce the Jesuit doctrine of Communism throughout Russia.

          • Luke Bruce

            Stalin’s father was a shoe maker, not a priest and his mother was born to an Orthodox Christian family and even the school Stalin attended was an Orthodox seminary and not Catholic. You are wrong on every issue, where did you get your sources? Some fake news NWO conspiracy drivel from the internet? Read the book ‘Young Stalin’ by Simon Montefiore.

            Not to mention Catholics are real Christians just like the Orthodox, it is you, the Western protestants who are the problem.

          • Mr. Jackson

            Nope. You need to get your facts straight. Vatican sponsored, Stalin and Hitler, murdered over 30 million of none Catholics. I find this fascinating as information that no one here is looking and or evaluating properly.

          • Luke Bruce

            So far you have not sourced anything, I wonder why that might be. Well I don’t, since you are talking out of your ass.

          • Mr. Jackson

            You are projecting. So far YOU have not sourced anything and I wonder why that might be. Well I don’t, since YOU are talking out of your ass.

          • Luke Bruce

            I sourced ‘Young Stalin’ by Simon Montefiore moron, not to mention every source agrees Stalin was brought up in an Orthodox household and not a Jesuit one, there is no debate regarding that.

            You know you don’t have a source, so your initial revisionist claims fall flat. You simply hate Catholics.

          • Andrew Chmile

            But he LOVES to KISS RUSKI @ss! :)))

          • Alex George

            LMAO Nordheim the silly old man doesn’t even realise that Stalin was Orthodox!!!

            What an uneducated prat. ;o)

          • Mr. Jackson

            Yep, uneducated or Galician-stupid (most of them) are below cretin!

          • Alex George

            You are indeed. You are so thick you do not even realise that Stalin was Orthodox, born of Orthodox parents, and studied at an Orthodox seminary

          • Mr. Jackson

            Catholic Trash. Similar to you and you-alikes from Galicia and/or Hitler Loving Polak and Baltics.

          • Mr. Jackson

            LOL – Deluded, old Galician Trash covering up Vatican’s Crimes!

          • Andrew Chmile

            ” Mr. Jackson ” ? :)

            He’s a ***SERBIAN*** troll — an UNPAID *volunteer* with WELL OVER a 100 accounts — & NOTHING TO DO except to attack Ukr. for the RUSKI.

            He is clearly mentally ill & needs everyone’s attention.

            ***SERBIAN*** thrash!

          • Alex George

            LMAO You can’t deny it, can you?

            Your heroes, Stalin and Hitler loved each other madly – they both had the same values.

      • Turtler

        “Galician Ukrainians loved Hitler madly… ”

        No, not really.

        Even Bandera- who was one of the rather few people among the Ukrainian nationalist fringe that actually admired Nazism- always planned for an independent Ukraine that would not be subservient to Hitler. Which is why he made plans to declare it independent and fight the Third Reich even when they were cooperating in the first days of Barbarossa.

        Hitler just detected this and backstabbed them for.

        “how many of your ancestors wore swastika
        and murdered Jews, Alex George?”

        For the record: most of Bandera’s co that murdered Jews did not do so under the Swastika. They did so under the banner of their own OUN or UPA, guerrilla groups that fought AGAINST the Nazis like they did the Poles and Soviets. They were often murderous buggers to be sure, but there is a concrete difference between them and the Ostruppen.

        There’s also the fact that most of those who DID wear swastikas and help murder Jews were in fact covert agents of those who infiltrated the NSDAP’s auxillary units with the intention of getting intel from them, stealing supplies, and ultimately backstabbing them. They knew where their bread was buttered.

        That doesn’t make what they did good, but it does make them separate from the Nazis.

        “Stalin, The Catholic, just like Hitler, served Vatrican well while starving to death and murdering Easter Orthodox population.”

        Oh joy. What a farqing illiterate moron you are.

        Firstly chowderhead: the only of those two who was even Briefly Catholic was Hitler, as he was baptized in that Church when he was young by his mother. He later BROKE with that church quite explicitly and drew up plans to not only eliminate Christianity within the Reich, but even to kidnap and murder the Pope and other high ranking Vatican members.

        Stalin never was a Catholic. He briefly went into an Orthodox Seminary and was bitterly antagonistic with its’ teachings even then. He then openly declared his atheism (like essentially all the classical Bolsheviks) and declared himself opposed to all religions.

        • Mr. Jackson

          Ukraine would NEVER be independent, just like Polakia. Ukraine is not self sustainable and would always depend on someone.

          • Turtler

            “Ukraine would NEVER be independent, just like Polakia. ”

            Apparently, dumbarse would like us to forget about a millenia of Polish independence, as a Kingdom, several Duchies, a Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, an Authoritarian Republic, and now a Democratic One.

            Great.

            If you want to farqing ignore half of the years in European history since the birth of Christ, that’s your problem.

            “Ukraine is not self sustainable and would always depend on someone.”

            Well, it is self sustainable now, albeit crudely and ineffectively so. And it can get better.

            So that claim does not work.

            “Get it right this time, moron. ”

            Oh the irony.

            “Stalin was a Vatican Mall, you dumb uKRnAzzI BaBooN.”

            Firstly moron: I’m not Ukrainian. Like at all.

            And secondly: not only was Stalin not a Vatican “Mall”, he was overt about how he felt about the Vatican.

            “The Pope! How many divisions has he got?”

          • Mr. Jackson

            UkroNaZZi Baboon (this includs all ass-giving Polaks incapable of recovering Galicia) – Polakia never stopped being someone’s beyatch and is German’s today.

            “And secondly: not only was Stalin not a Vatican “Mall”, he was overt about how he felt about the Vatican. “The Pope! How many divisions has he got?”

            YES – consider the timing …. this had only occurred once he established control over USSR and went “off reservation”.

          • Turtler

            “UkroNaZZi Baboon (this includs all ass-giving Polaks incapable of
            recovering Galicia) – ”

            And so it does not apply to me, as I am neither a Ukrainian or a Pole. And my family spent WWII fighting the Axis, including the NSDAP.

            “Polakia never stopped being someone’s beyatch”

            Yeah, sure. I imagine the Turks outside Vienna would have loved to know that.

            “and is German’s today.”

            Merkel would disagree.
            “YES – consider the timing ….”

            I have.

            ” this had only occurred once he established control over USSR and went “off reservation”.”

            He was never on the “Catholic/Vatican” reservation, bigoted fool. He was a member of the Bolshevik leadership since BEFORE WWI. He was a member of the Central Committee of the Party from when it came to power by overthrowing the Russian Republic in 1917. He was a member of the original Politburo. He had established control over the Bolshevik Empire from its’ very foundation, his “promotion” was only fighting over Lenin’s power with his fellow Bolshevik leaders after the former died.

            And the idea that any of these atheist psychopaths needed or wanted approval from the Vatican is frankly deluded.

          • RDF

            why are you this upset? Ever since the winged hussars and before Poland has been a kingdom tied together tightly with lithuania ruling house. The Polish Nobility Often opted to keep Power locally to themselves rather than cede it to a National Assembly with real National Power. Its understandable, but made them more vulnerable to other more unified nationalities.. but God Bless Those Winged Hussars or we all might be bowing and scraping to a different set of gods..

          • Andrew Chmile

            you mean ***SERBIA*** :)))

            Kiss Ruski @ss!!!! KISS! KISS!!!

            Good little ***SERBIAN*** mental case! ;))))

          • Mr. Jackson

            Galician swine, I see you like a lot SERBIAN cock… you are such a POS faqot!

          • Mr. Jackson

            “UKRAPA** are Russians. Ukraps like you deluded Ukrap Mental Case always have to Kiss. Kiss … someone’s ass! We all lough at you when you Kiss Kiss Polak Murf’s ass!!

        • Mr. Jackson

          Get it right this time, moron. Stalin was a Vatican Mall, you dumb uKRnAzzI BaBooN.

          • Alex George

            LOL “Stalin was a Vatican Mall”

            Like, with shops and cafes?

            You really should try learning English, Andrew.

      • Mick Servian

        Many

    • Andrew Chmile

      You are a LYING Ruski ***MOLE***.

      • Alex George

        Ah typical Andrew – rushing in to defend Stalin’s deal with Hitler.

        Andrew the Putin troll – he just can’t help himself.

  • Eolone

    “Putin dropping remarks that Russia would have won over Nazi Germany without the other nations of the Soviet Union.”

    Putin channeling his inner Donald Chump.

    • Rafael Hernandez

      Yes, the Soviet union defeated 85% of the German army. They were going to defeat them anyway when operation Barbarossa failed miserbly

      • zorbatheturk

        You are as dumb as a dog t u r d.

        • Ihor Dawydiak

          Yup. See above.

      • Alex George

        Wow you Russians don’t even know the history of your own country – further profile that Russian schools are third world.

        The ussr was allied with hitler and helped him prepare his armies. Then when hitler turned against them the ussr finally decided to fight. It defeated Germany in the east – Russia didn’t. And the ussr could only do that due to huge amounts of aid from the west.

        • Rafael Hernandez

          EHHM, Germany was defeated in Russia. The german army was stopped when it reached the city of Stalingrad and Moscow. Where are these located? As for aid, Russia has always been grateful, since it was the aid that helped them relieve the siege of Leningrad. And Stalin’s allignment with Hitler was no doubt a mistake, however aggravating Germany at a time where they had the superior milliary would just be idiotic.

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            If Germany had deposed Hitler and not made the fatal mistake of attacking Western Europe thereby bringing the US into the war and had instead launched an invasion of only the Soviet Union (without the intervention of Western allies), then the USSR would have ceased to exist and would have become a German colony. There have been a multitude of internationally respected historians as well as experts in the theories of warfare who have unanimously agreed on the possibility of this potential scenario.

          • gmab

            hahaha- yet you say Ukrainians were the Nazzis.

          • Alex George

            Germany was defeated in many places besides Russia. Learn your history.

            And no the Germany Army wasn’t just stopped at Stalingrad. Where is Tunisia located? Where is El Alamein located? where is Sicily located etc etc .

        • Ihor Dawydiak

          Yup. See above once again.

      • Eolone

        Let me guess, you think i wouldn’t catch the difference between Russia and the Soviet Union. Try to fool someone else.

        • Rafael Hernandez

          Soviet union= Belarus, Ukraine and Russia.

          • Eolone

            They’re the three that lost the greatest number of people, but there were around 3-4 million more from the other countries of the USSR.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            They may have taken Stalingrad and Saratov, but if they tried to advance deeper into Russia, and met an even colder place, they would have lost, regardless. The fighting almost exclusively took place in Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, except for the liberation of the baltic countries

          • Andrew Chmile

            Go worskip your “god” — STALIN!!!

            http://tinyurl.com/mq4ds2x

          • Ihor Dawydiak

            Here we go again with Hugo Chavez’s interpretation of WWII. Complete rubbish.

          • gmab

            All of Belarus & Ukraine were invaded by Germany. Only 7% of Russian territory- do the math nazzzi.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            The USSR liberated the Baltics? ROFL
            First, when still on the side of Nazi Germany, the USSR invaded and annexed the Baltics. Then the Germans threw them out. And when the Germans started to loose the war on the Eastern front the USSR again invaded and annexed the Baltics.
            Rafael, you use quite an original definition of liberated…

          • Alex George

            And Russia today is just Russia. By itself. Nobody respects it or supports it.

      • Ihor Dawydiak

        “the Soviet Union defeated 85% of the German army”. Absolutely amazing. That would also mean that 15% of the German Armed Forces were involved in hostilities in the Battle of the Atlantic, Western Europe, North Africa and all other non Eastern European areas of the world. Was that what Hugo Chavez and his pre-historic monsters taught you in their Venezuelan Marxist Sunday Schools?

  • zorbatheturk

    RuSSian myths AKA lies.

    • Mr. Jackson

      Stupid… you Cannot deny Ukraps are NaZZi Lovers … NO!!
      http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2012/1205/360_death_match_0530.jpg

      • zorbatheturk

        GFY retard.

        • Mr. Jackson

          Nope, you go fukk your mother, UkrNaZZi!!

          • zorbatheturk

            Farkov you maggot.

          • gmab

            You’re that retardeed idiot from UA Today. I forget all your fake ids. Same nazzi brains.

          • Mr. Jackson

            I LOL @ U uKRnAzzI BaBooN, YOU (HALF-BRAIN) could not figure what is left and what is right if the world grants you special accommodations in successions.

          • Alex George

            LOL where did you learn English, you dopey old troll? This makes no sense at all!

            Silly old Nordheim/Andrew Chmile/George Evans etc. Learn the truth my friend – Russia is going down and will soon break up.

          • Mr. Jackson

            Your dumb UkrNaZZi mama is fake … right douche, eh?

      • Alex George

        Yes shame on you, insulting the true Slavs. Ukraine has given up on russia and will never go back to it.

        Russia’s economy is going down, its rockets all crash and it will soon break up

        • Mr. Jackson

          Again, I am glad you are in favor of returning Galicia to Poland, where it belongs. By doing that, at least two large problems will be solved. First, The Vatican Backed Nazzis will return to their own stable and second, as we can all imagine, their ability to attack peaceful Eastern Orthodox Population in Russian Ukraine would be diminished.

          • Alex George

            LMAO Here is Nordheim/Andrew once again trying to change the subject!!!

            You can’t answer my point, can you?

            Ukraine is the true centre of Slavic culture and civilisation. It has given up on Russia and will never go back to it.

            Russia’s economy is going down, its rockets all crash and it will soon break up

      • gmab

        Molotov-Rippentrop Pact- commie-natzi- one & the same. Only Germany gave it up- ruskies glorify fascism.

        • Mr. Jackson

          I LOL @ U uKRnAzzI BaBooN, YOU (HALF-BRAIN) keep repeating one and the same thing in circles. Be kind and tell us how old were you when you figured out you are MORON?

          • Alex George

            Repeating it because it is true.

            Stalin was Hitler’s ally. He helped Hitler prepare his armies so they could both attack Europe.

  • Mr. Jackson

    Here is YOUNG ANDREW CHMILEWSKY – NAZZI CATHOLIC FROM GALICIA !!!
    http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/lg/public/2014/09/09/rtx14b5d.jpg

    • Alex George

      Oh please, Mr Jackson – you ARE andrew chmilewsky. You aren’t fooling anyone.

      • Mr. Jackson

        Please MichaelA, you are Andrew Chmil. You are using Mad Chmil’s profile to illicit empathy while being under fake “crazy Galician UkrNaZZi” insults and personal attacks. Very clever. I am sure your fake-jew, khazarina rabbi approves it.

        • gmab

          Go home ruski nut job.

          • Mr. Jackson

            I LOL @ U uKRnAzzI BaBooN, because you are so ow IQ you are so entertaining!!

          • Alex George

            LMAO And now we get Nordheim trying to act intelligent.

            Your fuehrer Putin is losing the foolish war he started with Ukraine . Russia is collapsing and will soon break apart. Get used to it, you silly old man.

        • Alex George

          LOL There is no such word as “Khazarina”. Learn to spell you old fool, before wasting our time.

          And yes, you are Andrew Chmile, Andrew Chimlewsky, George Evans etc. Just one or two people with multiple accounts, trying to pretend there are more of you. Nobody cares bout Russia anymore

  • Mr. Jackson

    Red Square looked great on May 9, 2017 … hapy people all over! As you can see Western Ukraine ignorant it is time for you to change your name to “Polaks” and avatar to “ChickenShit”!!

    • Alex George

      Why are you so obsessed with western Ukraine? It was eastern Ukraine that first rejected putin. Many eastern Ukrainians put their lives on the line to keep you eastern barbarians out of the civilised lands

      That is why putin is losing the foolish war he started with Ukraine, and he is destroying Russia in the process.

      • Mr. Jackson

        I am glad you too are in favor of returning Galicia to Poland. By doing that two large problems will be solved. First, Vatican Nazzis will return to their own flock and second their ability to attack peaceful Easten Orthodox Population in the Russian Ukraine would be diminished.

        • gmab

          You do know that it was the Volunteer Battalions (largely ethnic-russian Ukrainians) that beat off the mongols Putler sent while Ukraine built an army. They also liberated Mariupol from ruski terrorists.

          • Mr. Jackson

            I LOL @ U uKRnAzzI BaBooN, YOU (HALF-BRAIN), Ukraine has no Army. It’s bunch of conscripts forced to carry arms sleeping in frozen ditches, hungry. Because of you Maidanuska Morons 5 million people lost jobs in 2years!!

          • gmab

            I, like most of the civilized world, see Putler’s greed & mental dysfunction at work in Donbas & Krim. He’s been a failure all his life & will take you sheeple down with him. Bye bye Troll sheep.

          • Mr. Jackson

            You are just another blabbing “jewshenko” who got nothing smart to say.

          • Alex George

            In other words, you cannot answer any of her points.

            Typical uneducated Russian troll. You cannot cope with the fact that Putin is losing the foolish war he started with Ukraine.

          • Alex George

            Really? You are obviously unaware that Ukraine does not use conscripts on the front line in Donbass – all its soldiers there are volunteers. Russia by contrast has to force over 50% of its troops to fight.

            Russia has no chance of beating Ukraine, mainly because its soldiers lack courage.

            And no, there were no job losses as you describe.

        • Alex George

          Wow, talk about an irrelevant response!

          Now, try answering my question (although we both know you can’t):

          Why are you so obsessed with western Ukraine? It was eastern Ukraine that first rejected putin. Many eastern Ukrainians put their lives on the line to keep you eastern barbarians out of the civilised lands

          That is why putin is losing the foolish war he started with Ukraine, and he is destroying Russia in the process.