Russian invasion brought too many guns to Ukraine for any future protest to remain entirely peaceful, Bekeshkina warns

Ukrainians on the Maidan protesting the criminal and oppressive regime of Yanukovich, 2014

Ukrainians on the Maidan protesting the criminal and oppressive regime of Yanukovich, 2014 

Analysis & Opinion, Politics, Ukraine

Iryna Bekeshkina, the sociologist who heads Kyiv’s Democratic Initiatives Foundation, says that so many Ukrainians now are in possession of guns that it is unreasonable to expect that future protests there like another Maidan will take place without significant violence.

Iryna Bekeshkina (Image: uacrisis.org)

Iryna Bekeshkina (Image: uacrisis.org)

At present, Ukrainians are less inclined to engage in protest than they were, she says; but “if [they] do go into the streets, that will not end with a peaceful revolution, since there exists in society both sufficient decisiveness and weapons” in private hands now.

Unfortunately, Bekeshkina continues, this is not just a problem of weapons ownership or the bleeding back of weapons from the combat zone but also reflects the lack of public confidence in any of the political parties and the continuing strength of populism in Ukrainian elections and in the behavior of the Verkhovna Rada.

Populism is a problem even for well-established democracies, as the last year has shown, the Ukrainian sociologist says. But she adds that populism is “one thing where the majority consists of a middle class and quite another in a poor country” like Ukraine. And at present, it is hard to see how Ukraine escapes this without significant economic growth.

She and her colleagues had expected a rise in protest attitudes among Ukrainians when the authorities raised prices on communal services, “but this didn’t happen. More than that, protest attitudes even fell somewhat. The apathy of the population grew instead.” Ukrainians have gotten used to the new prices.

But she warns that “there is no direct connection between protest attitudes and real protests.” Protest attitudes, as measured by polls, were low both before the Orange Revolution in 2004 and the Euromaidan in 2013-2014. Those two events were triggered by election falsification in the first case and the televised beating of students in the second.

When new protests do occur, Bekeshkina continues, “now there will not be any peaceful Maidans, people have guns and they have sufficient decisiveness” about fighting for their rights. “God forbid that something like that will happen.” But that is the increasingly likely outcome as the tossing of a grenade at the parliament building showed.

Ukrainians are dissatisfied above all with the war in the Donbas because “many have sons, relatives and acquaintances there.” But focus groups show, the sociologist says, that even those worried about the war are also concerned about the economic situation over almost everything else.

“We have conducted focus groups” in the region, she continues, “and no one mentions the Russian language [issue]… or NATO. If they recall Russia at all, then only in the context of where our factories will sell their production. Instead, people talk about work, about factories closing down, and about their wages.”


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  • freedom fighter

    OH SNAP……..NO NEWS ON AMERICA BRINGING GUNS AND TANKS ACROSS THE WORLD TOWARDS THE RUSSIAN BORDERS? phh hahaha, half a*s news son.
    ya’ll some half stepping news agencies.

    • Dirk Smith

      It appears grammar and spelling are opportunities in your shallow life, mongol. Your gay dwarf is done. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cd132b2e9b04f28fa8db9ce37fd6378c05e2a7aef2496d0eb9248e2790fd88cb.jpg

      • туфтуф

        Dwarf commands one of the largest armies in the world and has the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons the world has ever seen. The West knows that it requires 8 nuclear missiles to turn US into pile of nuclear ash and only 2 to turn the West into a stone age civilization. Fear of Russia prevents it to act proportionally. We saw it in Crimea, Syria, Donbass, North Korea…..useless.

        • туфтуф

          Forgot to mention another challenge: PRC. In South China sea. Although by far superior to China, the West can do nothing to stop China enlarging its territory. Waning power.

          • kievjoy

            Unlike Russia, America doesn’t invade other countries just to show how great they are.

          • туфтуф

            America invades in order to destroy and often comits genocide.

        • Dirk Smith

          That’s why your 3rd world clown will be removed from within before the West can destroy ruSSia again. This time it needs to dismembered like Yugoslavia. The civilized world will appreciate it.

          • туфтуф

            He just heads the KGB. We cant get rid of entire org.

          • туфтуф

            I hear US wants to dismember China as well and at thesame time when its dismembering Russia. Hitleric ambition. Lol

          • туфтуф

            He just hrads a team and looks important. KGB runs the show. I remember a video on rutube where P is at a dinner party in Lubyanka, raising a glass saying l promised l will get u into power and l have delivered. Applause followed. It was then that l realised that it was a coup.

          • kievjoy

            Keep up dear, it isn’t called KGB and hasn’t been for a while

          • туфтуф

            I know KGB. NO ONE can remove them.

    • Mykola Banderachuk

      not you again, time to barf

    • Forewarned

      We need to send more. Putin wanted it, he got it.

      • туфтуф

        How ever many you send, P. will resort to an asymetric response. Just more ppl killed, but not those you’d like to be killed.

        • Dirk Smith

          Ukraine will be your gay dwarf’s graveyard. That’s why he’s already enlisting Chechens to fight his battles.

          • туфтуф

            Chechens are fully recognized citizens of Russia. If they come, ukroland disappears.

          • kievjoy

            You are funny, it’s not a case of IF they come, they are already here and have been for a long time.

          • туфтуф

            I know. But now they are there in small numbers. Even if they come in large numbers, they are merciless fighters but very gallant towards women. Nice ppl.

    • Brent

      FIFI, it wasn’t America that invaded Ukraine. It was terrorist Russia.

      Too bad you got reassigned to this site, monkey boy….

      • туфтуф

        Had Russia invaded, the war wouldnt drag on for so many years. Its Ukrainians fighting Ukrainians with Russia’s and Western help. Genocide.

        • Dirk Smith

          LOL. Straight from the RT teleprompter.

          • туфтуф

            Rt or not, but true.

          • туфтуф

            It is true. Virtually every large battle Ukros lost. As if they are a different race. I put it down to the unknown heroes of the war, the Russian spies in Ukrainian Chief of staff.

        • kievjoy

          Sorry mate, Lavrov has admitted that Russian soldiers are in Ukraine. Also where do Ukrainian citizens get tanks, rockets planes etc.

          • туфтуф

            Of course they are. But an invasion presuposes large number of troops, wrapons, taking over huge chunks of land…..these are just militarystrategists responsible for creation of couldrons where large number of N*zis were destroyed by miners and tractor drivers.

          • kievjoy

            strange that these ‘Nazis’ a lot are Jewish. Also the stratagists brought in tanks, rockets, grenades, bomber aircraft etc, again I ask, where do you live in Ukraine that you recon you know so much about the country, you don’t, but you think you do

          • туфтуф

            I know they are Jews, i.e Khazars. This is the first time in history that the Hassidim joined forces with the Ultras. Zionism is very close to the NWO, although Jerusalem Post keeps screaming from the roof tops regularly about Ukrainian “Na*ism” and keeps condemning it. After all, they were, beside the Poles, the main victims of Bandera’s SS Galichina and Nachtingal.

          • туфтуф

            Limited Russian presence does not mean an invasion, luvvie. Invasion you would FEEL.

          • kievjoy

            What country have you been in when it was invaded, honeybun. Perhpas you’d like to tell the families of those killed by the Russians that they haven’t been invaded.

          • туфтуф

            Exactly that, sweetie. The vast majority of the dead died by Ukrainian hand. Sorry, sweetness.

          • kievjoy

            You don’t even believe the Russian leaders, they have said they have sent thousands of Russian soldiers to fight Ukraine. You are no good as a troll sweetums if you don’t believe you’re leaders, such as Lavrov.

          • туфтуф

            My leader is the Queen , luvvie. I am just trying to dig out the truth. I serve no master.

          • kievjoy

            My German friends who were raped at the end of WWII were raped by Russians.

          • туфтуф

            From Russia, of course. Russia walks a fine line. On one hand, it cannot allow the superhumans to exterminate the subhumans, on the other , it doesn’t want to kill the superhumans. She wants that superhumans self destruct. Clean and tidy.

    • Eolone

      Chimp freaky fighter, you started a discussion here. Just like on Ukraine Today. Keep it up so we can find out if this site will ban you.

    • Eddy Verhaeghe

      freedom fighter, we are not interested in your whatsaboutisms, your deviations from the subject (for that we have the ‘Just a Minute’ game on the BBC), etc… So stick to the subject. I’ll start with downvoting you and flagging you.

    • Dagwood Bumstead

      What do you expect? The dwarf repeatedly threatens the Baltics and Poland with invasion, boasts about his tanks being in Warsaw in a few days, even threatens to use nukes. NATO is merely responding to the dwarf’s aggression, nothing more. If the dwarf doesn’t want US tanks in Poland then he shouldn’t make those threats.

      • туфтуф

        There is a big difference: the dwarf is a serious player and NATO is a paper tiger. Before the first missile from illegally occupied German Koenigsburg flies out, NATO soldiers will fly home, leaving the useful idiots to die.

        • Dirk Smith

          ‘the dwarf is a serious player.’ LOL. He’s done.

          • туфтуф

            He just heads a team. You just cant get rid of KGB. Thats like saying lets rid of the CIA. Nonsense.

          • туфтуф

            He just heads a team. KGB.

          • туфтуф

            Never underestimate the enemy. Your mate Hitler did it and look how he ended up. Especially now that you have 2 enemies, NK not withstanding.

        • kievjoy

          That’s what they want Russia to think. Boy will Putin get shocked if he tries to attack a Baltic country.

          • туфтуф

            There will be no attacks. Empty sabre rattling.

    • kievjoy

      America was invited by the countries involved, Pland, Lithuania etc. to help protect them from Russian invasion. Ukraine did NOT invite Russia so there is no comparisn.

      • туфтуф

        America is useless. They will leave the useful idiots to die and catch a plane home even before the first missile is fired from the illegally occupied Koenigsburg.

        • Dirk Smith

          LOL.

    • туфтуф

      Don’t worry abt the weapons. A few missiles from Koenigsburg and thats all. As if they never existed.

  • Eddy Verhaeghe

    Mykola, Dirk, Eleone and Brent. May I ask you not to engage in slanging matches with ‘freedom fighter’. The discussions on the boards of Euromaidan Press were civilized up to now and I want to keep it that way. So please no insults at the address of ‘freedom fighter’ and the likes. Let them insult, deviate from the subject, etc… React with arguments, vote them down, etc…

    • Forewarned

      For Fifi? A paid troll? Point to one legitimate point he’s ever made and I’ll join your rebuke of these fine gentlemen. They can argue quite well but these paid Russian trolls aren’t paid to listen to well-constructed argument.

      • Eddy Verhaeghe

        Forewarned, if he is a paid troll, if he is an unpaid troll, if he is paid for trolling or even if he is not paid for trolling does not matter at all. What matters is that he is continously deviating from the subjects being discussed. What also matters is the lack of well-constructed arguments. So by all means attack his whatsaboutism, his deviating from the subject, his lack of well-constructed arguments, but refrain from insulting him. In the end he will be barred from the Euromaidan discussion boards…

    • Robert

      I agree, Eddy. Slinging stupid and ignorant insults simply and merely lowers oneself to the exact same level of stupidity and ignorance with these obviously uneducated, ignorant, deviant and unaware “people”. Rise above the Trash present here! Take a DEEP Breath… KNOW that YOU are the ONLY One in Control of your Feelings, Emotions and subsequent Behaviour.

      I’ve already blocked most of them; they’re clearly unworthy of your time or mine. It allows being here a WHOLE LOT more Peaceful! :) Remember, YOU are Emotionally Bigger, Stronger, FAR More Aware and Astutely Educated on just about EVERYTHING these RTrolls have to ‘offer’. They’re Desperate! They’re WAY underpaid!! They’re now resorting to drinking toxic bath oils!!!

      Give them a break. In doing so, you give everyone else a Break! Please refrain from lowering yourself to hardly even the gutter, toilet or cesspool level they know well, love SO Muh and CONTINUE to operate from! Please? You’re SO Much and Soul Much Better and Above them! Show it. Stick to The Facts. Block them. Down-vote them. You don’t have to join them… They all go away soon enough … same as vlady will… :)

    • Quartermaster

      Eddy, Freedom Fighter needs to have ban hammer smack him. He’s simply a troll whose presence is not worth either the trouble or bandwidth.

  • Dagwood Bumstead

    All those guns also mean that any further advance by Dwarfstan into the Ukraine will be very costly as they will undoubtedly be used against the invaders.

    • Eddy Verhaeghe

      Dagwood, as true as your remark may be, there is also the danger that the use of those weapons by Ukrainians against their own government may give the Kremlin a pretext for a wholesale invasion of Ukraine.

      I do not know how sensible the powers that be in the Kremlin are, but I am still afraid that they may do very silly things – e.g. a wholesale invasion of Ukraine – that even ordinary Russians will come to regret later on.

      So the fact that there are an awful lot of weapons in the hands of Ukrainians may, if used in e.g. a 3rd Maidan, may bring about much more bloodshed than we can imagine…

      And some clear thinking on what Iryna Bekeshkina has to say, should be the subject of the discussion on this board.
      As much as I support Ukraine, I do not want to see the massive bloodshed that may follow the use of these weapons against the Ukrainian goverment and against the Russian Army, if God forbid the powers that be in the Kremlin would decide to invade Ukraine…

      • kievjoy

        I live in Ukraine and have yet to see all these weapons the ordinary Ukrainian citizens are carrying around with them. even soldiers and ATO do not carry them around with them unless at the front, or going for a parade in one of the cities.

      • Kruton

        iu

  • туфтуф

    Why should Ukrainians protest at all? They got everything they wanted at maidan. Association membership of the EU, NATO help to return Crimea one day and maybe conquer Russian territories in distant future, cheap energy from Poland and Hungary……the future seems bright and militant…..

    • Kruton

      Death to all Bolshevik sub-humans !

      • туфтуф

        Krutoy? Or definitely Kruton? Or kurton? Lol