Separatists in Donbas have more tanks than Germany, France, and Czech Republic combined

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2015/05/26 • Military analysis

The armed forces of the self-proclaimed “Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics” (“LNR” and “DNR”) have accumulated significant reserves of heavy weapons. According to deputy commander of the Anti-Terrorist Operation, Col. Valentyn Fedychev, as of 8 April 2015 Russia’s hybrid army in Donbas has 700 tanks, over 1 100 ACVs, 600 artillery systems, and 380 MRLS, as reported by news.liga.net.

Inforesist.org compared the military power of “LNR” and “DNR” to that of several European NATO states on the basis of the annual report, The Military Balance 2014, prepared by the British International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) think-tank. The Military Balance 2014 is a kind of reference book containing detailed data on the types and number of troops of the armies of the world as of 2013.

According to the IISS data, the tank fleet of the Russian-backed separatist “republics” is comparable to the total number of tanks in service with the armies of Germany, France and the Czech Republic. Poland boasts a more impressive fleet (893 tanks). As for artillery power, the volume of arms of the “DNR” and “LNR” surpasses all the Baltic countries together, as well as the German, French, and Czech armies. European NATO members, excluding the Czech Republic and the Baltic states, have an advantage over the separatists only in the number of combat armored vehicles. The French army’s fleet of armored vehicles is five times greater than that of the “DNR” and “LNR.”

An estimate of number of Ukrainian military vehicles opposing the “LNR” and “DNR” forces has been given by Aleksandr Sharkovskiy in an article in Nezavisimoye Voyennoye Obozreniye [Independent Military review] on 22 May 2015, who has stated that his estimates are based on open-source data of the blogosphere.

Sources:
NATO countries: The Military Balance 2014 report by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS)
DNR/LNR: Data from ATO briefing, 8 April 2015
Ukrainian ATO forces: Data from Nezavisimoye Voyennoye Obozreniye, 22 May 2015

It is difficult to estimate how much the proportion of power has changed over the last months, as there are conflicting messages. The latest data is that new shipments of military vehicles for the Russian-backed forces and Russian army in Donbas have arrived via the Russian railroad. Dmitry Tymchuk, independent Ukrainian military analyst and coordinator of the group Information resistance, in a post dating 24 May 2015 has stated that at the beginning of May the Russian Railway has transferred 80 MRLS (including Tornados), over 200 tanks, around 100 IFVs and APCs, and nearly 1000 lorries with ammunition to Donbas.

The Russian Federation continues denying its support for the separatists in Ukraine’s Donbas. However, the USA has recently changed its terminology, referring to the forces opposing the Ukrainian army to Donbas as “combined Russian-separatist forces.”

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  • Dirk Smith

    Meanwhile, NATO is concerned……..again.

  • toioioio

    And thus dear Ukrainians,you must forget donbass too and make sure you dont lose anything else. This is what happens to failed states but most importantly to failed peoples.
    when things started going badly you should be enlisting en mase,something you did not because you obviously do not believe in your country and nation.
    Now Ukraine will act as a buffer zone between th east and the west.

    • Murray Winchester

      And thus dear Russian troll you must admit the failure of Novorossiya in the Donbass and accept that with any new Russian invasion there will be more western countries on the battlefield killing katsap puppets and their masters. Despite being trampled and abused throughout history, the Ukrainians are one people and will have their country in spite of the Moscali criminal tin pot dictator who loves trampling over other smaller countries. Russia will continue to pay for its crimes while its trolls like you get paid in worthless roubles and expensive cabbage.

      • Paprika

        Very good.

      • Dagwood Bumstead

        and cheap samogon……. REAL vodka costs money, something Dwarf 2 is slowly but surely running out of.

        • Gogol

          Porky Porsoshenko looks like he eats too much of his chocolate.

      • Jiří Novák

        If Russia keeps trampling over smaller nations, the civilized world will not have any other option than to dismember Russia into smaller states. As simple as that.

        • PoeTentiate

          The civilized world is afraid of it’s own shadow and will continue to have its macho fix bombing goat herders in the desert.

          • Gogol

            Anti-Russian Svidomites aren’t civilized.

      • toioioio

        russian troll?
        buaahahahahahah for fucks sake!!!

        I’m totally against Russia,but one cannot see the way the ukrainian people acted! massive defections,neo nazi groups kept fighting. Totally corrupted and russianfed military command and politicians.
        Ukraine lost/losing the war,because of its inability and refusal to fight.

        • Murray Winchester

          OK not a Russian troll but a useful idiot then. Not much difference in the end.

          It is a fact that Ukrainian military were on the verge of wiping out the Russian proxy forces in eastern Ukraine up until the time that Putin began a second phase invasion. Pretty hard to defend yourself when your no nukes guarantor invades you and steals your land after years of having Russian puppet presidents degrading the armed forces of Ukraine.

          The Ukrainian military have killed and will kill thousands of Russian invaders, and as in any conscript army there are some who are unwilling to fight. Try taking on the Azovs, Adairs or Priviy Sektor if you think the Ukes can’t or won’t fight.
          Corruption and Russian sell-outs within Ukrainian institutions are slowly being rooted out. It is absolutely naive to think this will happen over night.

          There are more neo Nazis in Russia than anywhere and it is clearly not a dominant political force in Ukraine.

          You are stuck in time with your views about Ukraine and seriously really don’t know what you are talking about. I have lived in Ukraine, have family and friends there and in Russia and was at the Maidan several times in the winter and spring of 2014. Taking a longer view to the future might help settle your mind about such things.

          • toioioio

            There you go, you come to my words. All those groups you named? Very much neonazi groups, ffs even that prime minister of Ukraine is one.
            One can be a nationalist, but neonazi?… Pretty lame and damaging too.
            Ukie militias can be killing lots of russian lackeys, but still Crimea is not returning and so is donbas. Id’be really scared if mariupol got lost too.
            In any case, every people has tje leaders it deserves. From what i know you people gave up your armed forces, sold everything to some crooked oligarchs and politicians and then gave up on your country in general. How many millions have left Ukraine and migrated? It is very funny that after all these failures you expect the EU to accept you…
            No my friend, you gotta fix your country, but your people first.
            And that joke about Ukrainian nation,true russ etc? You gotta let it go and build something new, don’t end up like the other failed States of Albania and fyrom, with their faked history..
            For God’s sake, Ukraine is writing history right now!

          • Murray Winchester

            Your main problem is that you have propagandized about Ukraine as if it is somehow worse than Russia, which recently hosted a real international neo nazi gathering. The thought of a Jewish led neo nazi resurgence in Ukraine is of course absurd, and a simple investigation of the leading Jewish organizations in Ukraine will reveal that what you allege is bs. But it is easier for you to repeat propaganda than it is to address facts on the ground.

            It is not my country nor mine to fix, but had you read or paid attention to anything that I said you would understand that I predict no easy road for this damaged nation, so I really don’t need some repetitive lecture on what ails the country. I have lived there, have friends and family there, and don’t need help from you to be informed.

            Your “you people” angle is also wrong in that most governments don’t represent their people, so blaming Ukrainians for being victimized is like blaming the victims of an organized crime protection racket. There are good people in Ukraine and they deserve better than what they have been getting.

          • toioioio

            Look murray im watching things inUkraine since that other crooked politician took office,called timoshenko.
            youre very wrong about the politicians thing
            ,you know poroshenko didnt come from a smooth election process but from a rebellion that lead to them.So people VOTED HIM FOR SOMETHING,if hes not capable,then they should throgh him to the garbage,like they did with hiw predecessor.
            Good people are everywhere,even russia has many good people.
            Thing is,what the fuck do they do?!!
            In the ukrainian example,THEY FLEE THE COUNTRY!!!!

    • Michel Cloarec

      Let´s write about something we know nothing about and smug !
      Toioioi join the club of mythoaddicts made in moscovy !
      Your big mistake is that Ukraine has developed an unity and independence in 17 months that RF did not managed to do in 12 years .
      The buffert zone is in Manchoury , the dig between RF and China . That is where Rf should move its tanks if it want to survive !

      • Andy Sanders

        Let Russia propagate it’s hate of the West , in China the military leaders are having a field day with this. They have to do nothing to see Russia self-destruct and get cheap gas on top of it as well

      • toioioio

        Well for now and the near future, id be more interested in the fate of Ukraine and not oof what’s gonna happen when and if China and Russia fight.
        If Ukraine loses its southern part too and is left without access to tje black Sea it is fucked.
        From what i know Transnistria asked formally from russia to protect it from what ever possible threats, something that happened just before the 2008 war in Georgia.
        And as we speak Russia is again amassing huge forces at ukr border.

    • Joni Pelkonen

      ” Ukraine will act as a buffer zone between th east and the west.”

      Why is it that Russia always needs these “buffer zones” outside its borders? Why no other country needs them?

      • Alain Godet

        Especially when Russia has the biggest territory in the world…

      • PoeTentiate

        Huge projection. Russia is always terrified that others will do to it (kill maim destroy) as it does to neighboring countries.

      • toioioio

        Because fascist regimes and global/regional powers create them, so that there can be relations with the other powers.

  • TruenetUA

    It’s not just possessing the weapons. It’s having trained crews to operate and maintain the equipment. During combat, commanding and co-ordinating all that equipment and people is not a quickly learned skill. It is obvious that Russia has a lot of explaining to do. However the west just does not seem to care.

  • Robert EDgren

    Bring em to momma. More young Ruskies to microwave.

  • Vol Ya

    Let’s hope the Ukraine army can destroy those 700 russian tanks. That would be fantastic. I know that fascist putin doesn’t care about the number of russian soldiers that are killed, but can he afford to lose that much military hardware.

    • Kullen

      The tanks they supplied are mostly older version not used it active serivce, there is still LOADS of reservs. Still very dangerous and plentyfull but older still. A tank from the 60s is still better than a armored toyota:P

  • http://bgfreaks.org/ Victor Dachev

    A common spontanious miner can buy some awesome stuff from his local grassoary with his spare change. And use it.

  • http://pvutrix.com Pavel Shershnev

    Erm, where is the proof? Satellite imagery? Or are the all this heavy military hardware from the 60s is invisible to the all seeing NATA spy satellites? I call bullshit!

    Clearly the point of this article is to justify more military spending and involvement by the NATO countries in the eyes of the global community.

    One day in the future your grandkids with three hands will ask you, why did you believe lies of the mass media and kill one another, people you never even met, basing your beliefs on stupid propaganda. What will you answer?

    Wake the f&ck up!!! Spend you time contributing to “The Venus Project”, instead of participating in the information war.

    Watch this to realise where all the wars are coming from 😉
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC3tINgWfQE

    United we stand, divided we fall!

    • Andrew Kinder

      Completely unhinged. More spending by NATO? Most members are continuing to cut their defense budgets and are looking for any excuse to continue to do so. This mirage of a growing, war-hungry NATO somehow finds little traction in countries that actually have a free press. But of course.. the West’s independent media and open societies are much less able to discern facts than state-run or -censored media in a de facto one-party authoritarian regime. Such states are also known not to never engage in propaganda..

      • http://pvutrix.com Pavel Shershnev

        West’s independent media works in the interest of the money making multinational corporations. Open societies that don’t accept immigrants, from the poorer neighbours, don’t try to help them solve the problems, while extracting their resources.

        Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes … known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.… No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

        How much is NATO spending on “defence” ? About 700 billion in 2014 – That’s $100 for every person on Earth! The common international poverty line has in the past been roughly $1 a day. So instead of killing each other we could end poverty for at least a year on the planet, if we made a conscious decision to do so.

        What do you think of this idea? http://improveit.today

        • Truth

          Tell Putin he’s the 1 who betrays World with his cursed evil stupid vicious aggression not even hitler attacked his brothers.

        • Andrew Chmilewsky

          Ruski trash…

          THE GREAT RUSSO-MONGOLIAN KHAN, MAD VLAD PUTIN SPEAKS!!!

          Putin Says He Will Use Human Shields: “We Will Put Their Women and Children in Front of Our Troops”

    • misusan

      http://surpher.livejournal.com/762.html

      I think you Kremlinoids should really try another tactic and stop asking “proofs”. It makes you look ridiculous

      • Gogol

        The proof is asked on account of what appears to be a put mildly suspect claim, in conjunction with prior instances of fallacies from the pro-Kiev regime side.

    • Andrew Chmilewsky

      you think anyone is gonna BOTHER with Russki BS? :)

  • MidloJagz

    Forgot to add the US forces in Europe. Which are back to 800.. Russia is being stupid. We had just pulled almost all our combat troops except for a regiment of cavalry, and support units out of Germany in 2013.. they are all returning.

    • Czech Friend

      and about time, don’t you think?

  • Truth

    Grateful for > proof of Russian Putin’s war crimes wish any1 betrays 94 Budapest nuk deal is punished since its a real crime.

  • John Shirley

    Oh, please. Ukraine had all their arms, including nukes, from when they were part of the Soviet Union and never used any of it against anyone.
    Oh, sure, Kiev has been sitting around patiently for over two decades just waiting for 2014 when they were going to launch a full scale ethnic cleansing of the Donbass.
    Are you for real or did I miss the joke in your comment somehow?

    • Murf

      That is called sarcasm. What do you have Ausburger’s?

      • Murf

        Ah nooo.
        Just your stupid ones.

        • Murf

          upvoting you own reply.
          Classic Russian troll behavior.

          • Wolf Angel

            The more appropriate idiom usage would be to say “My posts are on fire.” Again, a Slavic speakers translation issue. And again, I disagree with your premise; but I’m happy to help in your English usage.

          • Andrew Chmilewsky

            Learn to speaka da Anglish, you dum @ss Russo-mongoloidol!

            Why you da pretenda to be the white man when you just a Russo-mongoloidol sh*t?

            You the Finno-Ugric-mongoloidol !!! You da sh*t!

            “P’tfu!” — I spit in your evil, twisted, stupid mongoloidol face! “P’tfu!” — again I spit.

            (You STILL think you can pretend to be a white man, you dum @ss? :)

            Go back to Ruski school…. to learn “da Anglish” from “da Ruski” :)))

            ….. stupid, uneducated, pretentious mongoloidol piece of sh*t….. ignorant savage…

      • Wolf Angel

        More common would be to say “gettin’ to ya” it’s part of the idiom stylistically. Happy to help comrade. Still disagree with your premise. Like that you’re using contractions.

      • Czech Friend

        he’s a russkie troll that’s both a dignosis and an occupation (apt word here)…

  • caap02

    OK, I get that you don’t want to use your real name on these posts…….so make something up But why do you guys always pick these super-anglo names? David Haines!!?? JIm Smith!?! etc etc etc. Do you think that you are fooling anyone into believeing that you are NOT Russian?

    • Andrew Chmilewsky

      You are a lying, paid, stupid Russo-mongolian troll! — SCUM!

  • Sven Plantin

    This is a hoax a stupid example of counter propaganda that Ukrainians should avoid. Figures are wrong. French and British have much more tanks than that and it depends also on how you count and what you count exactly.

  • Murf

    Interesting how Ukraine has a clear advantage in artillery 800 to 600.
    Absent air power artillery is the King of Battle. Hopefully they can turn that to their advantage particularly as they will be on the defense.
    The West and the US should increase delivery of counter battery radars and secure communications.
    France was also helping Ukraine up grade their attack helios for night ops. That could be a nasty surprise.
    One thing Ukraine need is more MANPEDS to take out Russian drones. they use them for recon an adjusting artillery fire. Blinding the Russians will make them more cautious. the Russian artillery caused 70% of the Ukraine causalities at Debal’steve. any thing that reduces their effectiveness is crucial.

  • Wolf Angel

    I disagree with your premise. But to help you in your English language skills …
    “They were planning … ” not “They planning …” Pretty common mistake among Slavic language speakers. So not Russian or Ukrainian, maybe Belorussian? Or ethnic Russian from the Baltic states ?

    • Andrew Chmilewsky

      They always lie.
      I gave him a coupl’a replies. Above.

      Simply to “remind them of their Russo-mongoloidol place” but of course!

      They NEVER can tell the truth….. it’s part of the pathology to FOOL YOU — somewhere, anywhere… on ANYTHING. They’re all fcked-up!

      They’re Ruski to begin with… and now TROLLING AS A JOB??

    • Andrew Chmilewsky

      You Russo-mongol…. you LIE!

      Scum people!

      Learn da Anglish, you dum, uneducated, ignorant sh*t!

  • Ján Chovanec

    Ukraine never had T-72M2, It’s Russian tank. Russian crews, Russian soldiers, technically it’s an invasion, which automatically drags USA and UK into war with Russia according treaty from Budapest, but yea… some nazi country from Asia (Russia) does not give a ….

    • Ján Chovanec

      That is not true, Mr. Russian Trolling Lier. It is used and manufactured only by Russian invaders. Please do not reply, you filth, as you Russian has nothing to tell me.

  • Czech Friend

    Pulter was mocking Ukraine with “tractor drivers at Debaltseve” while Obama watched and held a helping hand when it was needed.

    This war will have one obvious villain and perpetrator but also many cowardly non-leaders on our side.

  • Czech Friend

    Oh, poor kremlin stooge-terrorists. Remember how they started a year ago? They had ONE tank which they took from some military museum and “repaired for duty”.

    They must have loads of museums in Donbass…

  • MidloJagz

    IF the separatists have crews to man all those tanks.. then I can guarantee you they are NOT separatists from Donbas but Russians.

  • Jimma

    It would be a good time for the U.S. to test their shiny new anti tank missiles. Deliver about 10,000 to Ukraine.

  • Thomas Moore

    Never heard of these people. What country are they in? Why should I care?