"Friends from Russia" in Luhansk
In the spring of 2014, as Russia was testing its hybrid warfare tactics in eastern Ukraine, Li Won Chol was making connections that would alter the course of his life. "These were guys from Russia we met on social media," he tells Butusov with an affected casualness that seems to mask deeper implications. "They asked about the situation. I invited them to visit, so they came." The invitation would prove fateful - not just for him but for the entire region.
"People's militia" in Luhansk gets Russian commanders
As the conflict evolved from staged protests to military operations, the facade of a "people's militia" quickly gave way to revealing the Russian military chain of command. Li Won Chol's brigade found itself under the command of Denis Ivanov, a Russian officer who went by the callsign Tashkent. The reconnaissance company was led by another Russian, Baur Saitov, known as Zhuk. When Butusov points out this pattern of Russian command, Li Won Chol attempts a defense that dissolves mid-sentence: "We have local people from Luhansk in our units too, it's based on merit..." He pauses, then nods when Butusov states the obvious: "Not a single brigade commander is from Luhansk Oblast. All high-level officers are Russian."" His quiet "Well, yes" is an admission of what he can no longer deny.
"We had no mortars": a story that changes with each video
Li Won Chol's account of his combat activities is full of contradictions and attempts to avoid responsibility. In June 2014, he commanded a mortar unit that shelled Luhansk Airport, defended by Ukrainian paratroopers - his former brothers-in-arms. When Butusov points this out, he first denies having mortars: "We had no mortars." Then, when shown a video, he changes his story: "I can't know about this, I wasn't in those storage facilities." Finally, he admits he was "more of an instructor" for the mortar unit.
A hero no more: running from his own Russian world
After Russia's full-scale invasion in 2022, Li Won Chol participated in capturing several Ukrainian cities but was horrified by the losses: "I think we lost about half the brigade in infantry battles and assaults." He cites "lack of experience in command, absence of communication between units," and poor brigade training as reasons. "Our own forces opened fire on me personally about six times," he recalls. When confronted about the destruction his forces brought to these cities, where the majority of buildings now lie in ruins, his justification rings hollow: "I saw it, but again, this is war. Ukrainian servicemen also hit us with artillery." He seems unable to acknowledge that it was Russia that brought this war to these Ukrainian cities. "We didn't shoot civilians, we didn't loot, we didn't marauder," he insists as if the widespread destruction of civilian infrastructure somehow wasn't a war crime in itself.
A suicide mission in tourist mats
The most striking part of Li Won Chol's story is his last battle, which appears to have been designed as a suicide mission. The Russian command equipped soldiers with bizarre homemade "armor" made from tourist sleeping mats: "It's like walking in a barrel. Like in a stupid cartoon where a person puts on a barrel and thinks nobody can see them," he describes. The construction consisted of foam sleeping mats rolled into cylinders and sewn together with camouflage netting. They were given minimal ammunition - only 90 rounds - and basic supplies: "A backpack with a water bottle and a can of canned meat." When Butusov expresses surprise at such light equipment for an assault mission, Li Won Chol admits they understood it was probably a one-way mission. Among those sent on this suicide mission was his childhood friend, Oleksii "Lyosha" Tytarenko, who had also previously deserted. The assault group was supposed to be guided by a drone to their position, about five kilometers through open terrain. At dawn, the drone operators abandoned them in a sparse tree line despite Li Won Chol's warnings about their exposure.
When Ukraine shows mercy
Throughout this conversation, Li Won Chol continually attempts to minimize his historical role. "You greatly exaggerate my significance," he insists repeatedly." Yet his story is remarkable not just for what he did but for what he survived: the violent chaos of 2014, the elimination of fellow separatist leaders by Wagner mercenaries, the meat grinder of the full-scale invasion, and finally, the suicide mission from which he emerged as the sole survivor. He takes pride in claiming he "wasn't afraid to speak his mind" either under Ukrainian or Russian rule. Yet when ordered on a one-way assault wearing tourist mats as armor, he went without protest. When Butusov points out this contradiction, asking why he didn't fight to the end for his Russian world, Li Won Chol responds without irony: "But I did fight to the end." The end, it seems, was not dying uselessly in a field littered with corpses of previous assault groups. When asked what exactly he wanted to change in 2014 and what drove him to help bring Russia into Luhansk, his answer is tellingly vague: "That it would be like in Moscow." But when Butusov presses him on whether Luhansk achieved this dream, he admits: "It differs quite significantly." Each time he attempts to construct a narrative that would justify his choices, photographs and videos force him back to uncomfortable truths.
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