No one denies Soviet Army defeated Hitler but Russians won’t admit it occupied those it liberated, Tatyana Ross says

The old political cartoon depicts the Soviet takeover of the Eastern Europe accomplished as the result of the Yalta Conference between the heads of government of the United States, the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union, represented by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Prime Minister Winston Churchill and Premier Joseph Stalin, respectively. The conference was to discuss Europe's post-war reorganization. It convened at the Livadia Palace in Yalta, Crimea, USSR in February 1945, near the end of the WW2.

The old political cartoon depicts the Soviet takeover of the Eastern Europe accomplished as the result of the Yalta Conference between the heads of government of the United States, the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union, represented by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Prime Minister Winston Churchill and Premier Joseph Stalin, respectively. The conference was to discuss Europe's post-war reorganization. It convened at the Livadia Palace in Yalta, Crimea, USSR in February 1945, near the end of the WW2. 

2017/05/17 - 09:49 • Analysis & Opinion, Russia

For Russians, Victory Day is an ever more important date; but they act as if May 9 was the end of history and fail to see that the Soviet Army which first liberated Eastern Europe from the Nazis then became an occupying force for almost half a century, Moscow commentator Tatyana Ross says.

But because Russians are encouraged by the Kremlin to view Victory Day in isolation from what followed, she continues, they view the reaction of East Europeans to those events as efforts at “revision of the results of the Great Fatherland War” and as an impermissible defense of Hitler’s aggression.

Russians don’t ask themselves why, after the Red Army liberated Eastern Europe, it didn’t go home but instead “left IN ALL the liberated countries ‘a limited contingent’ of its forces” for decades, Ross says. And they don’t see the ways the liberation led to the occupation and the occupation led to Budapest, Vilnius and all the rest.

“If Russia would just recognize and then condemn the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe,” Ross says, she “does have any doubts that [the Red Army] would be viewed there as heroes who liberated [Eastern Europe] from German fascism. And [in that event,] no one would be tearing down the monuments.”

The anger Ukrainians, Balts and other East Europeans feel is the direct result of Russia continuing to “assert that it was only a liberator” and nothing else just as today Moscow insists that “there are no Russian soldiers in the Donbas” and that they are in Syria “only to help the toiling people.”

“It is time,” Ross argues, “to honestly admit that the Soviet Red Army having liberated became an occupier.” Taking that skeleton out of the closet will allow everyone to breathe easier. But even more, she says, “until we do this, Russia will not have a future” because “Russians will not understand why other peoples are so negatively inclined toward them.”

Unfortunately, she says, there are five reasons why the Kremlin won’t acknowledge this reality:

  • First, “to recognize the USSR as the occupier of Eastern Europe means to reduce its own greatness in the victory” and to admit that the Soviets committed serious crimes along the way even if they had a triumph.
  • Second, for the Kremlin to declare that the Soviet army was not only a liberator but an occupier means to tell Russians that among those who resisted it were not only Nazis but those who were legitimately fighting for their own freedom and independence.
  • Third, such an admission undercuts the Kremlin’s insistence that Moscow conducts “only wars of liberation.”
  • Fourth, to admit that the Soviet military was an occupier after 1945 requires an acknowledgement that it was an occupier before the German invasion of 1941 when as a result of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact occupied the Baltic countries, western Belarus and Ukraine, and part of Romania.
  • And fifth – and this may be the most intolerable thing for the current occupant of the Kremlin – such a recognition requires not only the denunciation of the USSR for what it did but also the condemnation of the man Vladimir Putin calls “’a successful manager’ in the first instance.

Russians need to recognize that no one in Eastern Europe disputes that the Soviet army liberated them from the Nazis, but they also need to recognize that they have compelling reasons to view what the Soviet army and state did after that time and for almost 50 years was an occupation and not a liberation.


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  • Vlad Pufagtinenko

    “Russians need to recognize that no one in Eastern Europe disputes that the Soviet army liberated them from the Nazis”

    i completely deny that the Russians liberated anyone from anything. They are human vermin.

    • Rafael Hernandez

      You need to see your psychologist. I suggest you read Generalplam OST. I wish Russia had lost the battle of Moscow and Stalingrad to see the khokhols completely exterminated once and for all. When I see your comments and your representation of the Ukraine, I wish Generalplan OST had happened

      • Alex George

        Of course you do. You are a fascist, just as Stalin was.

        Stalin allied with Hitler and helped him prepare his armies. Stalin agreed with Hitler to divide up Europe between them. Two fascist states working together.

        Eventually Hitler betrayed Stalin, which was always going to happen – neither of them were trustworthy. Then, and only then, did Stalin turn to fight Hitler. And without western help, USSR would not have been able to defeat Hitler.

        And after Hitler was defeated, the USSR enslaved millions in eastern Europe and in other countries. Now both fascist empires – Nazzi Germany and USSR – are gone. Good riddance.

        • Scradje

          Exactly right. And that is why the fourth Reich of fuehrer putler has to be extirpated.

          • Sania

            crudje, reich of the band of kinky noses did bombs the world…
            down to upside…grief…

          • Alex George

            qatlh Qo’ ‘e’ yaj latlh vay’ Hol qar Dajatlh’a’? jeD? rut ghaHlaw’.

      • Vlad Pufagtinenko

        The cowardly words of a Putin backside licker. Probably jumping up and down at the thought of Putin’s terrorists killing more Ukrainians today.

        • Andrew Chmile

          Remember!

          “Alex George” is a Ruski POS ***MOLE*** !

          • Scradje

            Alex is no more a kremtroll than I am. You are repeatedly hitting the wrong target for some mistaken reason.

          • Sania

            bastardje, euphoria morning of west is in the end…grief…
            u are not the preaching the end of the world…
            u are durack or troll…

          • Alex George

            bIS’ub Sut SoH nojtaHghach smtregy latlhpu’! majQa’ qatlh lan qar’a’? laH jIHvaD rid sompene taQ ‘ej Huj lalDanyaS?

          • Sania

            kva-kva is forgotten
            Zhmerinka high school?

          • Andrew Chmile

            Scradje ROTE:
            “Alex is no more a kremtroll than I am. You are repeatedly hitting the wrong target for some mistaken reason.”

            If you do NOT want to see the Ukrainian language be THE language of Ukraine & make very BS “excuses” for this policy, you do not understand what a “MOLE” is.

            I see that another one (MOLE) — “Turtler” — up-voted you.

            There is a difference between a Toll & a MOLE.
            You KNEW about the Russo-mongolian controlled BS “Disqus Channels”.

            Notice that Oknemfrod no longer posts there — voluntarily not I think.
            “They” kicked you off one of THEIR BS sites. 😉

            I just have no desire to be SUBSCRIBED TO — or to POST on, RUSKI

            MOLE sites. Your mileage may vary.

          • Alex George

            Ah yes, Andrew the Putin troll – he urges Ukraine to ban use of the Russian language, which is exactly what his master Putin wants Ukraine to do.

            Andrew has no interest in the Ukrainian language – he does not speak it, does not live in Ukraine, and he himself is not Ukrainian. But he finds it very useful as a way to try to start arguments between supporters of Ukraine.

            The Ukrainian language will increase in Ukraine – but NOT through banning Russian.

          • slavko

            You put forth a a good idea from what I understand in regards to language.

          • Andrew Chmile

            Tell that to the BALTIC NATIONS!!! 😉

            Their views are the same as mine.

          • Andrew Chmile

            You should then ENLIGHTEN the Baltic Nations….

            Tell ’em the RUSKI **MOLES** gave you some real good ideas! ;))))

            No doubt they will be most impressed! :))

            Hmm … but the Baltic Nations are doing MUCH BETTER than Ukraine in restoring their native languages …. Hmm…..

            Wonder Y TF that is ?!?!

          • slavko

            So what are you really saying?

          • Andrew Chmile

            REPOST!!!

            ———————

            Andrew Chmile
            TO **LYING** RUSKI MOLE POS
            Alex George

            7 days ago

            “The Ukrainian language will increase in Ukraine – but NOT through banning Russian.”

            YES IT WILL!! :))
            EASILY! :))

            DID RUSSIFICATION WORK WHEN YOU RUSKI ***BANNED*** UKRAINIAN IN BELHOROD, KUBAN< KURSK. etc… places?

            PROMOTING
            THE UKRAINIAN LANGUAGE IN UKRAINE — IS NOT LIKE RUSSIA **BANNING**
            EVERY LANGUAGE IN THE BS RUSKI FEDERATION *EXCEPT* RUSSIAN — is it?

            No reason to teach Ruski in UKRAINIAN TAXPAYER FUNDED UKRAINIAN SCHOOLS IN UKRAINE! — IS THERE? :)))

            FU RUSKI MORON!!! :))))

            Take your BS "Ruski advice" & stick it up yo' RUSKI @SSES!!!

            You
            monhols ALWAYS WERE & ALWAYS WILL BE — LOSERS!!! No one wants
            Ruski in white countries or to have Wuropean visa entry!

            YOUR KIND ARE SH*T!

          • Andrew Chmile

            “The Ukrainian language will increase in Ukraine – but NOT through banning Russian.’

            YES IT WILL!! :))
            EASILY! :))

            DID RUSSIFICATION WORK WHEN YOU RUSKI ***BANNED*** UKRAINIAN IN BELHOROD, KUBAN< KURSK. etc… places?

            PROMOTING THE UKRAINIAN LANGUAGE IN UKRAINE — IS NOT LIKE RUSSIA **BANNING** EVERY LANGUAGE IN THE BS RUSKI FEDERATION *EXCEPT* RUSSIAN — is it?

            No reason to teach Ruski in UKRAINIAN TAXPAYER FUNDED UKRAINIAN SCHOOLS IN UKRAINE! — IS THERE? :)))

            FU RUSKI MORON!!! :))))

            Take your BS "Ruski advice" & stick it up yo' RUSKI @SSES!!!

            You monhols ALWAYS WERE & ALWAYS WILL BE — LOSERS!!! No one wants Ruski in white countries or to have Wuropean visa entry!

            YOUR KIND ARE SH*T!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/360c7ec961f62125c1acd02dc035448a4ab721d027d3b1f8e1edc5be31ffc502.jpg

          • Andrew Chmile

            link to the group: Friends of Ukraine Against Trump.

          • Scradje

            Halya Coynash is doing great work; hopefully eventually the criminals she exposes will get the proper punishment for their filthy crimes.

          • Andrew Chmile

            “Alex is no more a kremtroll than I am. You are repeatedly hitting the wrong target for some mistaken reason.”

            I have already given my *REASONS* — note the plural — a FEW times.

            He is incapable of NEUTRALIZING me. For you it is evidently “different”.
            Interesting!

            The BS “Disqus Channels” — moderated by “THEM” — is nonsense.
            “THEY” get hostile when you EXPOSE their “Disqus Channels” — note their ILLEGITIMATE SCUMBAG rip-off, of the __Ukraine Today__ trademark & copyright.

            “THEY” — always have a hard-on against the Ukrainian language. ALWAYS!

            Ruski are ALWAYS scumbags, in every way.

            For you it’s evidently different.

            Nor do I use the term “kremtroll” — I prefer “Russian or Russo-mongolian” Troll — instead.

            It sets a clearer path for readers.
            It also BOTHERS them more — i.e. that “association” of Russian with — LYING SCUM!

            Greater accuracy by my lights.
            Pity you do NOT think the Ukrainian language should reign supremely in Ukraine.

            The Ruski **MOLES** evidently appear to agree with you.

          • slavko

            For many years the issue of language has come up in Ukraine. Reading what Alex wrote below: The Ukrainian language will increase in Ukraine – but NOT through banning Russian.” makes sense to me. Forcing people to speak a certain way or in a particular language is not voluntary. And so rebellion against decrees becomes natural. Such is the way of humanity. However, when a people come together voluntarily to stand apart from the oppressor then they will speak the same language. From what I understand Ukrainians are slowly becoming de-Russified especially since Maidan, the illegal Russian annexation of Krym and the fake civil war that the Kremlin started in eastern Ukraine. I believe that more n more Ukrainians are slowly coming to their senses and realize that they stand apart from the Kremlin Russian oppressors. If anything the government of Ukraine should make available programs to help people become more proficient in the Ukrainian klanguage. But it should be in a way that people WANT to learn and not because the government said so. The latter way is the Russian way. So if we are different from them then we should do things differently from the Russian way. Let’s stand apart from those that are into controlling and manipulating people. We know what oppression is and because of that we should not be forcing others to be a certain way. Let them come naturally with the personal free will.

          • Andrew Chmile

            I just “lost” — a crash — a long & very detailed reply to this — & a REPETITION to the LYING ANTI-UKRAINIAN LANGUAGE REPETITIONS of RUSKI *MOLE* “Alex George” AKA “Michael A”.

            Won’t recreate more than a very small part now.

            Your mother had a REAL “language ban” — being asked by Ruski if she heard Ukie lang. from her parents AT HOME! :)
            WOW!!

            Difference between Ukr. language PROMOTION in the __UKRAINIAN STATE__ & “banning Russian’ — your mom would’ve known.

            The word “BAN!!!” — came from him — wanna call it that — FU! — FINE!!

            “Baning Russian would;t work anyway!” — the POS MOLE **REPEATEDLY** STATED — IN A FEW DISCUSSIONS *I* HAD WITH THAT **RUSKI** POS MOLE ON THE UKIE LANG IN *UKRAINE* — *NOT* HIS SCUMBAG RUSKI FKN’ PLACE!!!

            Ruski pretend not to know about PROMOTING UKIE *IN* UKR. AND *BANING*:

            “GENOCIDE OF RUSSIAN SPEAKERS!!!!!
            A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-E-eeeeee!!!!!!”

            I do NOT want to play that BS lying & stupid game with hysterical sounding idiot Ruski or with those that more SLYLY plot the demise of the Ukie lang. & culture & people. — OR THEIR SUCKERS & FOOLS that think they are being “reasonable & fair” when they are not!

            Ukr. usage — despite propaganda & hope by patriots is NOT winning!

            Ruski language use in Ukraine is heavily **FUNDED** by Russia.
            Look at publication rates & % of all print media.

            See also:
            How Kremlin’s “minority rights” defenders are supporting Russian expansionism in Ukraine

            http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/04/03/105898/

            For Ruski MOLES — they “come out” on IMPORTANT ISSUES:
            Exposing of BS Ruski controlled “Disqus Channels” — & on the promotion of the Ukrainian language in Ukraine :)

            The LANGUAGE?
            I wonder why?
            FOR CENTURIES NO LESS!!!

            Esp. “friends of Ukr.” like “Alex George” AKA “MichaelA” with the hidden posting profiles :) & others that are “friends” like that pig from the Ruski For. Ministry.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/360c7ec961f62125c1acd02dc035448a4ab721d027d3b1f8e1edc5be31ffc502.jpg

            You can easily review my points & the NASTY exchange between me & “Alex George” on this very topic — my posting profile isn’t hidden, unlike his … GO AHEAD!!! — SEE WHO IS LOGICAL!! My name isn’t hidden either — UNLIKE YOURS FOR THAT MATTER AS WELL slavko.
            The Ruski WHINED about my posts here (Euro. Press) — so no more “Chmilewsky”. Hmm… have to do something there…

            The revival in the Baltic Nations of the native languages is going very well! — NOT SO IN UKRAINE!!! — Hopeful & patriotic cheer leading notes aside.

            When I pointed such (THE BALTIC NATIONS LANGUAGE LAWS) out — the MOLE — among other LIES — lied about the Estonian Lang. Law. — So I looked it up — sure enough … LYING FKN RUSKI of course!

            “The only language in Estonia is the Estonian language. All other languages are considered to be FOREIGN LANGUAGES and are to be treated as such.”

            Like I said …. I wrote a LOT more before the crash…

            Oh yeah …. DANGER! DANGER!!! — LYING RUSKI POS
            “Alex George” said the “Russian Speakers.

            “They might get angry and join Putin!” — the scumbag “Alex George” warned me!!! :))))

            The ruskli pig below wants to HELP UKRAINE …

            So do you in pretty much the same way ….

          • Andrew Chmile

            another note — AGAIN repeated!
            “From what I understand Ukrainians are slowly becoming de-Russified especially since Maidan,”

            No! :(
            ——————– To continue:
            I see who it is that agrees with you here, :)))

            2 “for sure” (at least) Ruski **MOLES** .

            Very good Slavko!
            Are you now switching to Ruski srake from polak ones? 😉

            Were you beaten to learn English in America? — “FORCED!!!” — as you & the Ruski MOLES would put it? :)

            You didn’t REALLY have to, you know….
            Get the point?

            Probably not ….
            Don’t go to France & tell them they have to learn English now, otherwise it’s “FORCE!!!”

          • slavko

            I am not saying that Ukraine has to facilitate every language that is being spoken in Ukraine. But the way that Yatseniuk did it in 2014 after which he backed away from was stupid. Hard a$$ with your own people just ain’t gonna work. It’s time to take a different tack and approach to problems. Decrees only antagonize people. The gov needs to be more understanding of the individual in order to harness the positive energy of different people in Ukraine to smoothly transition the Ukrainian nation AWAY from the Russian mentality.

            Something for you to think about… “what you resist persists.” and “what you embrace dissolves.” This does NOT mean to give away the company store. Do consider how resistance from one side only bred resistance from the other side. This IS a historical fact. Something else and you especially Andriyu have made a great effort to denounce dem Ruskies. Me too at times. Now for how long will we continue to do this in light of the reality that those f u ckers just don’t change. They have no shame buddy. So do we keep doing the same thing over and over again even that things don’t improve? In a nutshell that IS asinine to say the least and it is ANTI-evolution. When nations stop evolving then the only other option is stagnation and death. IF you want to stand apart from the Kremlin soulless gang then you have to BE different.

            Forcing a language upon a people is the Russian way. However, it is a well known fact that people quickly learn languages WHEN THEY WANT TO. Now if Ukrainian gov was to say to the people this is what we are doing for you… building roads, providing a better pension,whatever… and we simply do NOT have it in the budget to accommodate every different language. We are coming out of some tough times, rebuilding our economy, our nation and we have a deviant at our doorstep threatening to chip away at our lands and murder our people. Please help us. Our official language in Ukraine is Ukrainian, however you can speak any language you want anywhere in Ukraine. We will standardize our educational institutions by teaching ONLY in Ukrainian. This also helps our budget during these very hard times. We urge all that wish to remain here to take it upon yourselves to learn our official language. We will help you.

            All that I’m saying is that the approach needs to be softer with the explanation that no one will ever be persecuted for speaking another language besides Ukrainian but Ukrainian is our official language because this IS Ukraine. Yatseniuk in 2014 became part of the problem in the way he proclaimed Ukrainian as the official language without discussion or explanation. Even a referendum on the language issue could be held AFTER sufficient discussion. Again, this then becomes a different way than the Russian way. As I remember way back that it was the Ukrainian Kozak state that was probably the FIRST democracy in Europe. And that AIN’T the Ruskie way either even that they stole from us our Kozaks and made them into women beating drunken morons as evidenced during the Sochi Olympics.

          • Andrew Chmile

            BEFORE Yatseniuk in 2014 — BEFORE Yanukovwycz —
            Ukie was the OFFICIAL Language …. for 22 YEARS!!!!

            Y TF are there 1,700 RUSKI LANGUAGE SCHOOLS IN UKRAINE?

            Your LYING ***MOLE*** friend “Alex George”/”MichaelA” — is doing A LOT OF WRITING ON THIS VERY POINT — i.e. Ukie language … IN UKRAINE!!! NOT HIS FOOKIN’ RUSKI BUSINESS!!

            Along with THE THREAT — that people there will join Putin if that happens! :)
            Just like that Ruska ‘HO from the Russian FOR. MINISTRY :))
            They ALL wanna “help” :)

            In Donetsk, BEFORE THIS BS — the city of Donetsk PASSED A CITY LAW OF:
            “NO MORE UKIE LANGUAGE SCHOOLS IN DONETSK!!!!!”

            HUH?
            WTF?!?!?

            BTW — 60% (at that time) of Donetsk was Ukie!
            The RUSKI ***MINORITY*** did not want Ukie language….

            TOO BAD!!! — It’s UKRAINE!!!

            FK RUSKI!!!
            Let ’em go to THEIR BS country!

            The BALTIC NATIONS WERE AND ARE **RIGHT** !!!!

            TOO BAD IF **YOU** AND THE RUSKI DO NOT LIKE IT!!!

          • slavko

            Did you even read what I wrote? Like I said there are more important things to deal with in Ukraine than language schools for the Russian speakers. I mentioned that money is tight, hence the money will be better spent educating kids in the Ukrainian language rather than Russian. Of course people are free to pay for those Russian language lessons on their own.

            My whole premise is that first Ukraine must make it so that people feel a part of the nation. Their lives need to improve. You gotta give them a reason to learn a language that they are not well versed in. There are Russian speakers that are very patriotic in Ukraine’s behalf. Why on earth piss em off? I also mentioned that to print government announcements in 2 or more languages may be cost prohibitive. Ukraine has massive loans to repay. If explained people will understand especially if they see that their lives are improving? If their lives aren’t improving then why the fk learn the language??? Because then it’s only the same olde sh*t!

            “The Russian language is the most common first language in the Donbass and Crimea regions of Ukraine, and the predominant language in large cities in the East and South of the country” taken from this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine

            So how to convince the Russian speakers of Donbas and Krym to want to be a part of Ukraine and not identify with Russia? I sincerely doubt that you want to p*ss em off before a valid potential referendum!! Think about it. And stop with the fking troll sh*t!!

          • Andrew Chmile

            Cc: Oknemfrod

            slavko:
            Yes I did indeed read WTF you wrote on Ukie language in Ukraine.
            Pity you evidently did not AT ALL read WTF I wrote.

            For you do NOT mention ANYTHING of what I wrote at all.
            Most curious! 😉

            “There are Russian speakers that are very patriotic in Ukraine’s behalf. Why on earth piss em off?”

            Yes I know — nor are they AT ALL being P*SSED OFF by the use of Ukie in Ukraine.
            Sounds like you are & that –ONCE AGAIN– polaks & Ruski have you scared that they might get mad! :)

            If so, they’ll get TF over it!

            SO WILL MOST FRIGHTENED UKES LIKE YOU …. maybe … and if not … you’ll GET USED TO IT! :)

            So WTF “Alex George”/”MichaelA” RUSKI MOLES *AND* that Ruska kurva from the Russian Foreign Ministry “suggest” to Ukes — to “help them” ? —- DON’T USE UKRAINIAN!!! :) OR RUSKI MIGHT GET MAD!!!!!!

            A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-E-eeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            And as “Alex George”/”MichaelA” RUSKI MOLES say — “they might side with Putin!!!!!
            A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-E-eeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Ruski advice on Uke lang. — FOR YOU slavko! 😉

            That NASTY kurva wants to help your “most gutless & accommodating kind” :)

            https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/847372231483183104/photo/1

            You ROTE:
            “My whole premise is that first Ukraine must make it so that people feel a
            part of the nation. Their lives need to improve. You gotta give them a reason to learn a language that they are not well versed in.”

            Everyone in Ukieland more or less understands Ukie & Ruski.
            TIME TO STANDARDIZE & ***CREATE*** INCENTIVES!!!
            AND TO ELIMINATE ***DISINCENTIVES*** — don’t you think so?

            Y TF do you think that there are so many more Ruski publications in RUSSIAN rather than Ukrainian? WHO TF do you think PUSHES & GIVES SUBSIDIES FOR THAT?

            YOU THINK — ANY — COUNTRY WOULD TOLERATE THAT SORT OF THING?

            Would Poland, France, etc… use the language of a GENOCIDAL AGGRESSOR & ENEMY IS SCHOOLS? — You also elected to TOTALLY IGNORE what I wrote CITED in the earlier given to you URL:

            How Kremlin’s “minority rights” defenders are supporting Russian expansionism in Ukraine
            http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/04/03/105898/

            EVIDENTLY **YOU** and the RUSSO-MONGOLIAN ***MOLES** for some reason, “prefer” WTF *Yanukowych* traitor scumbag did to a language law that was ALREADY EXISTING FOR 22 YEARS — before he GUTTED IT — as he did the Ukie army… so that if there were a mere 10% Ruski (or *CLAIMED* to be in an area) — EVERYTHING HAD TO BE IN RUSKI AS WELL!!! — The COURTS, SCHOOLS, etc… Putin gave one of the AUTHORS OF THAT DEFACTO ***RUSSIFICATION** LAW — a Ruski language medal — needless to say he ran to Russia later …. Hmm… Most odd you think?

            ALSO AGAIN!!!

            I REPEAT!!!
            WHY TF did the city of DONETSK — pre-RUSKI INVASION — made a CITY **BAN** A **CITY** — **LAW** — on any more UKIE SCHOOLS IN DONETSK???

            And they got away with that BS!!!

            MOST PEOPLE IN DONETSK — * the OBLAST — by the numbers — ARE UKIE!!! — NOT RUSSO-MONGOLIANS!!! — 60% vs 40% btw. YET RUSKI DOMINATE THE LANGUAGE ISSUES!!! — WHY? TAKE A GUESS WHY THEY & THE **MOLES** REGARD THAT AS BEING SO IMPORTANT? 😉

            MAKE THE SAME LAWS AS THEY DID IN THE BALTIC NATIONS & ENFORCE IT AND YOU HAVE CREATED MORE THAN ENOUGH “INCENTIVES” BY THAT ALONE!!! —- RIGHT slavko?

            I noted the LYING done about the Estonian Language Law — by your “buddy” — “Alex” as YOU call that RUSKI **MOLE** — ” “Alex George”/”MichaelA”

            Baltic Nations are a VERY good example.

            Any one that hates Ukraine has ALREADY joined the enemy.
            Your being a Ukrainian “srako-liz” changes NOTHING!!

            Except to undercut & pi*ss off the Russohone fighters in Aydar & Azov that are learning Ukie.

            BTW — something like 93% (or more?) consider themselves to be UKRAINIAN.

            How about you slavko?

          • Andrew Chmile

            Can’t post my very good reply ( I think so anyway) to your above …. because …

            “Detected as spam”

            Have to try later …. day or so …

            BTW — your WIKI link above is wrong, what a surprise eh?
            I quote your:
            “”The Russian language is the most common first language in the Donbass
            and Crimea regions of Ukraine, and the predominant language in large
            cities in the East and South of the country” taken from this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi

            In Kharkiv *OBLAST* btw — **MOST*** (yes! MOST!) people are Ukrainian speakers!
            Wiki — is very heavily “influenced” by Ruski (and BTW — Israel does that as well) for their own purposes.

            Can’t dig up the link I have for the above right now though … but yeah, that’s right!

            Problem with Wiki “here” (& elsewhere A LOT!!!) is they were saying BS like this —- that — “in the West Ukie speaking — & in the East Ruski speaking” :)))

            Recall how ALMOST EVERYONE (besides the Ruski :) were saying that BS?

            I’ll try & repost my reply — when it “takes” . Sat. or Tues. maybe….

            2 ***RUSKI*** moles up-voted you ! :))

            Unfortunately 2 “good guys” as well :(
            At least …. I think so …

            & yeah, yeah…. lots of moles/trolls …. “they” come to a lot of Ukie sites… Even though they have their BS “Disqus Channels”.

            Notice how you don’ see Oknemfrod posting there? :)

          • Andrew Chmile
          • slavko

            I think it’s an appropriate position portrayed by your article… no doubt, but to force it upon people that have the same sentiments as and with you, the exception being that their first language is different from yours. I’m of the opinion that the “official” language is Ukrainian… not English, not French, not Egyptian and as well not Russian. But I don’t live in Ukraine and so it’s not my call. Language and identity go together. And I concur with Alex that Ukrainian language Will PREVAIL LONG TERM but not by imposition. It would be ideal if people NATURALLY took it upon themselves to learn a non mother tongue and use it everyday. Still we have to be realistic as well as humanistic in our pursuit of the same goal. We have to remember that when determining the appropriate course of action which furthers the feeling of being Ukrainian including the Russian speakers that identify themselves as Ukrainian.

            Our only difference is in the methodology employed towards goal achievement.

          • Andrew Chmile

            Vasyl P. — Ruski LYING **MOLE** & *LYING* STUKACH/DONOSNIK up-voted you.

            “Language and identity go together. ”

            That’s WHY the Russo-mongolians — like the equally FILTHY animalistic polaks — tried AND **STILL** TRY — to DESTROY all things Ukie — esp. the LANGUAGE!

            “And I concur with Alex that
            Ukrainian language Will PREVAIL LONG TERM but not by imposition.”

            FIRST OFF — “Alex” — is that **LYING** fookin’ POS Russo-mongolian **MOLE** that “suckered” you & “Scradje” both.

            Let’s again look at:
            “Ukrainian language Will PREVAIL LONG TERM but not by imposition.”

            THERE IS NO INCENTIVE TO LEARN UKRAINIAN! — YOU HAVE TO CREATE SUCH **INCENTIVES** & BY DEFINITION — ***DISINCENTIVES***.

            I do *NOT* at all need to elaborate on such!

            Look at the BALTIC NATIONS!!!

            “It would be ideal if people NATURALLY took it upon themselves to learn a
            non mother tongue and use it everyday. Still we have to be realistic as
            well as humanistic in our pursuit of the same goal. We have to remember
            that when determining the appropriate course of action which furthers
            the feeling of being Ukrainian including the Russian speakers that
            identify themselves as Ukrainian.”

            You then, by EXTRAPOLATION of your above, ALONG WITH *YOUR* — PROVEN **LYING** “friend” — “Alex” (“AlexGeorge/MichaelA”) we should use only Russian — BECAUSE THEY **SCREAM** THE MOST & LOUDEST! :)

            — and as your “friend” — along with that nasty LYING RUSKA KURVA from the Russian Foreign Ministry —- *WARNED* — there will be TROUBLE IF YOU DON’T ALLOW RUSSIAN TO & TO **CONTINUALLY** — *FURTHER* — RUSSIFY UKRAINE…..

            SMART THINKING!!!

            VERY “HUMANISTIC” — as *YOU* & THOSE LIKE *YOU* — AND THE RUSSIANS THAT ARE SO …. “HUMANISTIC” — and so …. ‘noble” …. are .

            Not like me! :))))
            OR … those FILTHY Baltic scum either !!!
            GOOD (NOT!) BS **RELATIVISTIC** HORSESHIT “THINKING”…. HOW *WEAK*!

            “Our only difference is in the methodology employed towards goal achievement.’

            NO!

            But anyway…. Your “friends” — “Vasyl P.” & “Alex” & Putin & that Ruska kurva like your “thinking” . They WILL EAGERLY USE THAT!!! & AGREE WITH YOU … — Later on … they WILL brutally make it more clear for you…. as they did for your mother in BRUTE FORCE RUSKI LANGUAGE IMPOSITION…. to the point of using her to *SPY* on your parents …. if they used Ukie at home….

            VERY GOOD!!! :)
            Did your mother “like” learning RUSKI — the way the Ruski were teaching her?
            I see NOTHING wrong for Ukie taxpayers having Ukie in SCHOOLS, COURTS, etc… etc…

            some of *YOUR* scumbag friends won’t like it …. I do not have ANY concerns for such…. Men & women are DYING for such, even now.
            I am THROUGH discussing such with you at this time!

            This BS — and LACK of a sense of JUSTICE & ARISTOTELIAN LOGIC on your part — merely exposes your “RELATIVISTIC” — amoral Weltanschauung.

            Tell your sh*t to the Balts …. & to Azov Battalion etc… as they are ALSO re-learning their NATIVE languages.

            Have a nice day!

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8J4E5rVYAA8afI.jpg

          • Andrew Chmile

            Slavko, fearing my disgruntlement with you will despoil this discussiaon on Ukie language in Ukraine, I shall forward Oknemfrod’s comment. I Invited him to review our (& that RUSKI MOLE “ALEX GEORGE” comments) & review & make his own.

            COPY for YOU:
            Oknemfrod TO ME:

            19 hours ago

            I’ll gladly reply “in the original area” if you kindly point me to
            the discussion where the dialog between you and Slavko took place.

            As far as the actual issue of U vs R is concerned: I agree with you. In particular:

            The use of U in government at all levels must be exclusive. In
            particular, using R in the Rada is an abomination and it should be
            totally banned.
            – The predominant use of U must be incentivized by all legal means in all other areas, such as business, culture, and education.

            There should be no dubbing of U in R “for the convenience of
            R-speakers” in no bailiwick. Dubbing in E is okay where called for (like
            it was during the EV).
            – The fear that someone will be “offended” by
            using U is goofy. R-speakers who move to live in Poland or Czechia have
            to learn P or Cz and somehow don’t seem to be offended by that.

            It was a terrible mistake that a resolute drive toward re-Ukrainization
            wasn’t initiated immediately after winning independence. The failure to
            do so stemmed from both sloth and lack of understanding how crucial the
            nation-defining importance of the language is.
            – Etc.

          • Andrew Chmile

            Slavko ROTE: “I’m of the opinion that the “official” language is Ukrainian…”

            The *OFFICIAL LANGUAGE” is the one you use in school. in the courts, government.

            There are 1,700 Ruski LANGUAGE schools in Ukraine.
            THIS IS BS!!!

            Let the Ruski CRY like they did in the BALTICS!!!
            FK ‘EM!

            They want Ruski in schools, courts, government — LET THEM GO TO FKN’ RUSSIA!

          • Geralt von RIva

            “De Tijd” (Belgium):

            “German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, noted “the times when we could completely rely on others, they are a bit way past. “And she immediately struck a new chapter : ‘We Europeans must really take our fate into our own hands’.

            The German chancellor clearly had enough from the American president. After a remarkable visit to the White House, where Merkel was obviously annoyed by her host, his performances in the new NATO building and the G7 summit in Taormina, Berlin has now enough. Washington is no longer regarded as a trustworthy fellow. Europe must now go its own way. In all friendship, by the way.

            Merkel is not a woman who excludes people from the outset. But she is also someone who does not change decisions made once again. The Bierzelt in Munich could therefore very well be a turning point in transatlantic relations. ”

            “El País” (Spain):

            “The G7 Summit of Taormina has failed – as was predictable – with his attitude during the meeting, Donald Trump has once again shown that his ideas (placing them in the category of politics would be exaggerated) potentially a major obstacle to international trade And for any initiative to stop climate change.

            When Angela Merkel described the negotiations as ‘difficult and unsatisfactory’, she was probably still diplomatic. ”

            “The Standard” (Austria):

            “Now one can complain about the new circumstances, but the question of how the West deals with the situation seems more important. There can be only one direction: to do everything to strengthen international cooperation.

            Trump is becoming more and more confined within the domestic political sphere and is therefore also struggling internationally. It remains open to anyone who can keep the multilateral world order alive. Europe would have the means. But that it has the will, it must prove. ”

            http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump-internationale-pressestimmen-zu-europareise-und-angela-merkel-a-1149631.html

          • slavko

            Earlier you wrote to me the following but I can’t reply on that thread now: “there will possible come a political shift.

            “Angela Merkel has
            called on the Europeans to be more independent. “The times when we could
            rely on others are a bit over, I have experienced it in the last few
            days,” said the Chancellor, referring to the G7 meeting in Sicily during
            a performance at a folk festival in Munich. The Europeans would have to
            take their fate into their own hands….”

            In a way Merkel is agreeing with Trump. In truth and in a REAL partnership there’s a true sharing of costs and responsibilities. It IS time for Europe to be more responsible for their defense, especially in light of Putin’s sabre rattling and even threats of nuclear war as he annexes the lands of other countries with impunity. The fact remains throughout the ages that it’s best to negotiate from a position of strength that the other side recognizes as well.

          • Geralt von RIva

            but she thinks more european. means european army and so on. this would be now more possible as ie in this aspect gb was the brake. it will also go more in the direction of africa, as from there come the refugees. we and italy call ie for an european mission to control the border between lybia and nigeria. and depending from the france elections we will possible work more together with france and the EUR-zone and change eventually treaties to give the eu a new dynamic. coutries like hungary or poland will not become asked, but they can join if they want.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Africa should start solving its own problems instead of exporting them to Europe, ditto for the Middle East.
            As for changing EU treaties, good luck with that. Any treaty change will now mean a referendum in several countries, and it will be rejected.

          • zorbatheturk

            African politicians need to stop being kleptocrats and murderers.

          • slavko

            This is an interesting summary of casualties from WWII. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

            In my opinion it clearly shows the need for Europe to be more cognizant when a country like Russia attempt to drive a wedge between the European states. The American losses of 419000 lives back then from WWII. European losses far greater. Overall the deadliest war ever. Now, if Europe continues to appease Moscow, then Moscow only gets stronger. Moscow is using Syria primarily to take the attention away from Ukraine and to develop couple naval and air bases in area of Mediterranean Sea. Putin doesn’t care about Syria or even Assad. If Putin had NOT gone into Syria then Assad would have been finished by now and the refugee problem from there would be no more. And so if Russia continues to create divides in Europe then the future looks bleak. There’s nothing wrong with peaceful multicultural existence, especially since Google Translate works OK and when religions are NOT interested in gaining population. But this needs to be protected.

          • Geralt von RIva

            we get refugees from afghanistan, iraq, albania and syria. do you really think refugees from syria would be solved when assad would be away?
            no, we have a joint venture of russia, usa and china vs muslim nations. and france/eu wants also its share.

          • slavko

            Not sure.

          • Geralt von RIva

            if u have netflix u should watch “war machine”^^

          • Geralt von RIva
          • Andrew Chmile

            STFU & kiss TRUMP’S @SS you GERMAN SCUMBAG!!!

            Also Moslem @ss !!!

            Your WOMEN & LITTLE GIRLS LOVE IT TOO! 😉

          • Andrew Chmile

            You ROTE:

            “I’m of the opinion that the “official” language is Ukrainian… not
            English, not French, not Egyptian and as well not Russian. But I don’t
            live in Ukraine and so it’s not my call. Language and identity go
            together. And I concur with Alex that Ukrainian language Will PREVAIL
            LONG TERM but not by imposition.”

            Works for Russians … despite WHAT *YOU* __AND__ THAT POS RUSKI **MOLE** “Alex George”/”MichaelA” CLAIM — FALSELY!

            The ugly things Moscow might do if Ukraine is consigned to a Russian sphere of influence
            http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/12/29/the-ugly-things-moscow-might-do-if-ukraine-is-consigned-to-a-russian-sphere-of-influence/

            Russo-mongolians ALREADY **TOTALLY** “banned” Ukrainian in Crimea AND in the BS commie “Republics”.

            DEFENSE OF UKRAINIAN PEOPLE, LANGUAGE & CULTURE IN UKRAINE IS NOT WRONG …. anymore than the “imposition” of English is on Ruski in America….. Despite WTF *YOU* AND THE “CLEVER” RUSKI MOLES — FALSELY CLAIM….

            Things worked out VERY WELL in the Baltic Nations,,, Too bad *YOU* & the Ruski “friends” & **MOLES** don’t like it!

            TOO BAD!

          • slavko

            You fail to understand that people can have different points of view while being pro-Ukraine. There are Russians that are pro-Ukraine and against the Kremlin’s machinations. And the same goes with your attitude regarding the Poles. Today’s Poland is NOT the same Poland of the early 20th century. And yet you keep dredging up the same old hate stories from the past that are no longer valid today. Being that you don’t give a dam about political correctness…. it’s time for you to grow up and get with the times. And I don’t mean that to be mean.

            Support those that support your end goal of a free Ukraine that embodies freedom for everyone under her wing and not just the ethnic Ukrainians!

          • Andrew Chmile

            This below appears:
            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/euromaidanpress/no_one_denies_soviet_army_defeated_hitler_but_russians_wont_admit_it_occupied_those_it_liberated_tat/#comment-3332743307

            Skurvy sin Oknemfrod said he’d kick in …. but …. BRESEH!!! THE LYING SOVOK SVOLICH!!! — “P’tfu!” — PLUYOU!!!

            Hmm… LYING Russo-mongolian POS & **STUKACH** –“Vasyl P.”
            up-voted you (AGAIN!!!) :)

            WTF is THE SECRET OF YOUR GREAT POPULARITY WITH SCUMBAGS!!! DO TELL!!!

            “laker48” — the UKIE HATER also gave you a lot of up-votes for awhile!
            — When you were saying how EVIL Ukes were for EXPELLING the MURDEROUS scumbag polak INVADERS!!! :)

            Here!
            You can PRAY to his polak photo below! :)

            Zygmunt Janiewicz

            HE LOVES IT when Ukes — LIKE **YOU** — suck his little polak dik!

            Now you are into sucking Ruski @ssholes! — “Alex George” — –“Vasyl P.”— Do you find them tastier? Or merely a change?

            Nothing like a juicy Ruski sraka — eh?
            Does it EMPOWER you? 😉
            Make you FEEL BETTER & MORE DEMOCRATIC? :)

            Copy for Oknenfrod …..
            A BIG pity I can’t give a copy for your mother …. who AS PER YOU — was TOTALLY FORCED to use Ruski — & was FORCED to INFORM ON HER PARENTS IF THEY USED UKIE AT HOME …. So tell me — YOU & THE RUSKI ***MOLES*** how EVIL UKES ARE — IF THEY USE UKIE IN SCHOOLS, COURTS … etc… et.. OFFICIAL stuff…

            Y TF do I think yo’ mama would SPIT in your face & call you a FOOL!!!!
            But …. the Russo-mongolian MOLES like you …. they DO NOT LIKE ME! :)))

            GOOD FOR YOU!!! :)

            Te tuman!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d3f329b7922e7ba785738f1e430995f33ceaecd0ae4c68e4c46976987594522f.jpg

            Wonder WTF Zygmunt Janiewicz is doing with that little boy?!?!
            he is VERY Roman Catholic you know…. just like Putin is into little boys….

          • slavko
          • Geralt von RIva

            😀

          • slavko

            Good idea!

          • Mr. Jackson

            CATHOLICS DO THAT – YOU SWINE! DIDN’T YOU RAPE YOUR FORMER WIFE WITH YOUR BOY IN THE BED – REMEMBER? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d31fd94e13c09d5af3b073a85407f67e0dfc6395f88d81ea4a2555354f697f6.jpg

          • Andrew Chmile

            “Today’s Poland is NOT the same Poland of the early 20th century. And yet
            you keep dredging up the same old hate stories from the past that are
            no longer valid today”

            read the Euro Press article that speaks of HOW most polaks hate Ukes.

            Also — how MANY polaks ALSO want to divide Ukraine with Russia … like your friend — THE COWARD polak “laker48” wrote about as “max Canada”.

            YOU ARE AN IGNORANT, UNEDUCATED & NAIVE **FOOL*.

            No wonder the **LYING** ruski MOLES always up-vote you!!!
            You are a **LIAR** as well!

            MORON!!! :))))

            Here! Fo’ yo’ IGNORANT dum @aa! :)
            Read the comments as well!
            Find some more Ruski & polak srake to suck!

            Tell the Baltic Nations they should speak Ruski — because otherwise — it’s “AN IMPOSITION” on the Russified & the invaders …… Tell Americans they should all learn Ruski —- or the Ruski “will get mad!!! A-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-eeeeee!!!!!”

            The TROLLS & MOLES WILL BACK-UP YOUR STUPID NON-CHRISTIAN, IMMORAL, ILLOGICAL & MOST ***STUPID*** @SS!!! — Then you can “pretend” that you are an “objective & unbiased fellow” :)))))

            WIMP & **MORON** !!! — WITH **PRETENSIONS** NO LESS!!!
            Go study more HINDU BS!!! :)))))

            Te KRETIN!

            Most monstrous yet forgotten genocide in the history of Europe – Wołyń 1943-2016 – UPA Ukrainians

          • Mr. Jackson

            ANDREW CHMILEWSKY, THE GALICIAN SWINE STRIKES AGAIN – ANDREW YOU SWINE, IS HE ***SERBIAN** TOO, YOU DUMB UKRAINIAN BABOON AND KRETIN?

          • Andrew Chmile

            CC: Oknemfrod

            slavko:
            Yes I did indeed read WTF you wrote on Ukie language in Ukraine.
            Pity you evidently did not AT ALL read WTF I wrote.

            For you do NOT mention ANYTHING of what I wrote at all.
            Most curious! 😉

            “There are Russian speakers that are very patriotic in Ukraine’s behalf. Why on earth piss em off?”

            Yes I know –very patriotic! — nor are they AT ALL being P*SSED OFF by the use of Ukie in Ukraine.— BECAUSE THEY — UNLIKE YOU — ARE PATRIOTS!
            Sounds like you are –ONCE AGAIN– polaks & Ruski have you scared that they might get mad! :)

            If so, they’ll get TF over it!
            SO WILL MOST FRIGHTENED UKES LIKE YOU …. maybe … and if not … you’ll GET USED TO IT! :)

            So WTF “Alex George”/”MichaelA” RUSKI MOLES *AND* that Ruska kurva from the Russian Foreign Ministry “suggest” to Ukes — to “help them” ? —- DON’T USE UKRAINIAN!!! :) OR RUSKI MIGHT GET MAD!!!!!!
            A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-E-eeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            And as “Alex George”/”MichaelA” RUSKI MOLES say — “they might side with Putin!!!!!
            A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-E-eeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Ruski advice on Uke lang. — FOR YOU slavko! 😉

            That NASTY kurva wants to help your “most gutless & accommodating kind” :)

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media
            (DELETETHIS AND CONNECT WITH) /C8J4E5rVYAA8afI.jpg

            You ROTE:
            “My whole premise is that first Ukraine must make it so that people feel a
            part of the nation. Their lives need to improve. You gotta give them a reason to learn a language that they are not well versed in.”

            Everyone in Ukieland more or less understands Ukie & Ruski.
            TIME TO STANDARDIZE & ***CREATE*** INCENTIVES!!!
            –ONE UKRAINIAN LANGUAGE PLUS ENGLISH—AND TO ELIMINATE ***DISINCENTIVES*** — don’t you think so?

            Y TF do you think that there are so many more Ruski publications in RUSSIAN rather than Ukrainian? WHO TF do you think PUSHES & GIVES SUBSIDIES FOR THAT?

            YOU THINK — ANY — COUNTRY WOULD TOLERATE THAT SORT OF THING?

            Would Poland, France, etc… use the language of a GENOCIDAL AGGRESSOR & ENEMY IS SCHOOLS? — You also elected to TOTALLY IGNORE what I wrote CITED in the earlier given to you URL:

            How Kremlin’s “minority rights” defenders are supporting Russian expansionism in Ukraine
            http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/04/03/105898/

            EVIDENTLY **YOU** and the RUSSO-MONGOLIAN ***MOLES** for some reason, “prefer” WTF *Yanukowych* traitor scumbag did to a language law that was ALREADY EXISTING FOR 22 YEARS — before he GUTTED IT — as he did the Ukie army… so that if there were a mere 10% Ruski (or *CLAIMED* to be in an area) — EVERYTHING HAD TO BE IN RUSKI AS WELL!!! — The COURTS, SCHOOLS, etc… Putin gave one of the AUTHORS OF THAT DEFACTO ***RUSSIFICATION** LAW — a Ruski language medal — needless to say he ran to Russia later …. Hmm… Most odd you think?

            ALSO AGAIN!!!
            I REPEAT!!!
            WHY TF did the city of DONETSK — pre-RUSKI INVASION — make a CITY **BAN** A **CITY** — **LAW** — on NO MORE UKIE SCHOOLS IN DONETSK???
            And they got away with that BS!!!

            So WHO IS BEING OPPRESSED?

            MOST PEOPLE IN DONETSK — * the OBLAST — by the numbers — ARE UKIE!!! — NOT RUSSO-MONGOLIANS!!! — 60% vs 40% btw. YET RUSKI DOMINATE THE LANGUAGE ISSUES!!! — WHY? TAKE A GUESS WHY THEY & THE **MOLES** REGARD THAT AS BEING SO IMPORTANT? 😉

            MAKE THE SAME LAWS AS THEY DID IN THE BALTIC NATIONS & ENFORCE IT AND YOU HAVE CREATED MORE THAN ENOUGH “INCENTIVES” BY THAT ALONE!!! —- RIGHT slavko?

            I noted the LYING done about the Estonian Language Law — by your “buddy” — “Alex” as YOU call that RUSKI **MOLE** — ” “Alex George”/”MichaelA”

            Baltic Nations are a VERY good example.

            Any one that hates Ukraine has ALREADY joined the enemy.
            Your being a Ukrainian “srako-liz” changes NOTHING!!

            Except to undercut & pi*ss off the Russohone fighters in Aydar & Azov that are learning Ukie.

            BTW — something like 93% (or more?) NOW consider themselves as Ukie!

            You ROTE:
            “My whole premise is that first Ukraine must make it so that people feel a
            part of the nation. Their lives need to improve. You gotta give them a reason to learn a language that they are not well versed in.”

            Everyone in Ukieland more or less understands Ukie & Ruski.
            TIME TO STANDARDIZE & ***CREATE*** INCENTIVES!!!
            AND TO ELIMINATE ***DISINCENTIVES*** — don’t you think so?

            Y TF do you think that there are so many more Ruski publications in RUSSIAN rather than Ukrainian? WHO TF do you think PUSHES & GIVES SUBSIDIES FOR THAT?

            YOU THINK — ANY — COUNTRY WOULD TOLERATE THAT SORT OF THING?

            Would Poland, France, etc… use the language of a GENOCIDAL AGGRESSOR & ENEMY IS SCHOOLS? — You also elected to TOTALLY IGNORE what I wrote CITED in the earlier given to you URL:

            How Kremlin’s “minority rights” defenders are supporting Russian expansionism in Ukraine
            http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/04/03/105898/

            EVIDENTLY **YOU** and the RUSSO-MONGOLIAN ***MOLES** for some reason, “prefer” WTF *Yanukowych* traitor scumbag did to a language law that was ALREADY EXISTING FOR 22 YEARS — before he GUTTED IT — as he did the Ukie army… so that if there were a mere 10% Ruski (or *CLAIMED* to be in an area) — EVERYTHING HAD TO BE IN RUSKI AS WELL!!! — The COURTS, SCHOOLS, etc… Putin gave one of the AUTHORS OF THAT DEFACTO ***RUSSIFICATION** LAW — a Ruski language medal — needless to say he ran to Russia later …. Hmm… Most odd you think?

            MOST PEOPLE IN DONETSK — * the OBLAST — by the numbers — ARE UKIE!!! — NOT RUSSO-MONGOLIANS!!! — 60% vs 40% btw. YET RUSKI DOMINATE THE LANGUAGE ISSUES!!! — WHY? TAKE A GUESS WHY THEY & THE **MOLES** REGARD THAT AS BEING SO IMPORTANT? 😉

            MAKE THE SAME LAWS AS THEY DID IN THE BALTIC NATIONS & ENFORCE IT AND YOU HAVE CREATED MORE THAN ENOUGH “INCENTIVES” BY THAT ALONE!!! —- RIGHT slavko?

            I noted the LYING done about the Estonian Language Law — by your “buddy” — “Alex” as YOU call that RUSKI **MOLE** — ” “Alex George”/”MichaelA”

            Baltic Nations are a VERY good example.
            Any one that hates Ukraine has ALREADY joined the enemy.
            Your being a Ukrainian “srako-liz” changes NOTHING!!

            Except to undercut & pi*ss off the Russohone fighters in Aydar & Azov that are learning Ukie.

            BTW — something like 93% (or more?) NOW consider themselves to be UKRAINIAN.

            How about you slavko?

          • Andrew Chmile

            OKNEMFROD — PLEASE DO — WEIGH IN — in the “original area” that my reply was made — TO SLAVKO — one of us is not getting it.

            ———–

            CC: Oknemfrod

            slavko:
            Yes I did indeed read WTF you wrote on Ukie language in Ukraine.
            Pity you evidently did not AT ALL read WTF I wrote.

            For you do NOT mention ANYTHING of what I wrote at all.
            Most curious! 😉

            “There are Russian speakers that are very patriotic in Ukraine’s behalf. Why on earth piss em off?”

            Yes
            I know –very patriotic! — nor are they AT ALL being P*SSED OFF by
            the use of Ukie in Ukraine.— BECAUSE THEY — UNLIKE YOU — ARE
            PATRIOTS!
            Sounds like you are –ONCE AGAIN– polaks & Ruski have you scared that they might get mad! :)

            If so, they’ll get TF over it!
            SO WILL MOST FRIGHTENED UKES LIKE YOU …. maybe … and if not … you’ll GET USED TO IT! :)

            So
            WTF “Alex George”/”MichaelA” RUSKI MOLES *AND* that Ruska kurva from
            the Russian Foreign Ministry “suggest” to Ukes — to “help them” ?
            —- DON’T USE UKRAINIAN!!! :) OR RUSKI MIGHT GET MAD!!!!!!
            A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-E-eeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            And as “Alex George”/”MichaelA” RUSKI MOLES say — “they might side with Putin!!!!!
            A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-E-eeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Ruski advice on Uke lang. — FOR YOU slavko! 😉

            That NASTY kurva wants to help your “most gutless & accommodating kind” :)

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media
            (DELETETHIS AND CONNECT WITH) /C8J4E5rVYAA8afI.jpg

            You ROTE:
            “My whole premise is that first Ukraine must make it so that people feel a
            part
            of the nation. Their lives need to improve. You gotta give them a
            reason to learn a language that they are not well versed in.”

            Everyone in Ukieland more or less understands Ukie & Ruski.
            TIME TO STANDARDIZE & ***CREATE*** INCENTIVES!!!
            –ONE UKRAINIAN LANGUAGE PLUS ENGLISH—AND TO ELIMINATE ***DISINCENTIVES*** — don’t you think so?

            Y
            TF do you think that there are so many more Ruski publications in
            RUSSIAN rather than Ukrainian? WHO TF do you think PUSHES & GIVES
            SUBSIDIES FOR THAT?

            YOU THINK — ANY — COUNTRY WOULD TOLERATE THAT SORT OF THING?

            Would
            Poland, France, etc… use the language of a GENOCIDAL AGGRESSOR
            & ENEMY IS SCHOOLS? — You also elected to TOTALLY IGNORE what I
            wrote CITED in the earlier given to you URL:

            How Kremlin’s “minority rights” defenders are supporting Russian expansionism in Ukraine
            http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/04/03/105898/

            EVIDENTLY
            **YOU** and the RUSSO-MONGOLIAN ***MOLES** for some reason, “prefer”
            WTF *Yanukowych* traitor scumbag did to a language law that was ALREADY
            EXISTING FOR 22 YEARS — before he GUTTED IT — as he did the Ukie
            army… so that if there were a mere 10% Ruski (or *CLAIMED* to be in
            an area) — EVERYTHING HAD TO BE IN RUSKI AS WELL!!! — The COURTS,
            SCHOOLS, etc… Putin gave one of the AUTHORS OF THAT DEFACTO
            ***RUSSIFICATION** LAW — a Ruski language medal — needless to say he
            ran to Russia later …. Hmm… Most odd you think?

            ALSO AGAIN!!!
            I REPEAT!!!
            WHY
            TF did the city of DONETSK — pre-RUSKI INVASION — make a CITY
            **BAN** A **CITY** — **LAW** — on NO MORE UKIE SCHOOLS IN
            DONETSK???
            And they got away with that BS!!!

            So WHO IS BEING OPPRESSED?

            MOST
            PEOPLE IN DONETSK — * the OBLAST — by the numbers — ARE UKIE!!!
            — NOT RUSSO-MONGOLIANS!!! — 60% vs 40% btw. YET RUSKI DOMINATE
            THE LANGUAGE ISSUES!!! — WHY? TAKE A GUESS WHY THEY & THE
            **MOLES** REGARD THAT AS BEING SO IMPORTANT? 😉

            MAKE THE SAME
            LAWS AS THEY DID IN THE BALTIC NATIONS & ENFORCE IT AND YOU HAVE
            CREATED MORE THAN ENOUGH “INCENTIVES” BY THAT ALONE!!! —- RIGHT
            slavko?

            I noted the LYING done about the Estonian Language Law
            — by your “buddy” — “Alex” as YOU call that RUSKI **MOLE** — ”
            “Alex George”/”MichaelA”

            Baltic Nations are a VERY good example.

            Any one that hates Ukraine has ALREADY joined the enemy.
            Your being a Ukrainian “srako-liz” changes NOTHING!!

            Except to undercut & pi*ss off the Russohone fighters in Aydar & Azov that are learning Ukie.

            BTW — something like 93% (or more?) NOW consider themselves as Ukie!

            You ROTE:
            “My whole premise is that first Ukraine must make it so that people feel a
            part
            of the nation. Their lives need to improve. You gotta give them a
            reason to learn a language that they are not well versed in.”

            Everyone in Ukieland more or less understands Ukie & Ruski.
            TIME TO STANDARDIZE & ***CREATE*** INCENTIVES!!!
            AND TO ELIMINATE ***DISINCENTIVES*** — don’t you think so?

            Y
            TF do you think that there are so many more Ruski publications in
            RUSSIAN rather than Ukrainian? WHO TF do you think PUSHES & GIVES
            SUBSIDIES FOR THAT?

            YOU THINK — ANY — COUNTRY WOULD TOLERATE THAT SORT OF THING?

            Would
            Poland, France, etc… use the language of a GENOCIDAL AGGRESSOR
            & ENEMY IS SCHOOLS? — You also elected to TOTALLY IGNORE what I
            wrote CITED in the earlier given to you URL:

            How Kremlin’s “minority rights” defenders are supporting Russian expansionism in Ukraine
            http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/04/03/105898/

            EVIDENTLY
            **YOU** and the RUSSO-MONGOLIAN ***MOLES** for some reason, “prefer”
            WTF *Yanukowych* traitor scumbag did to a language law that was ALREADY
            EXISTING FOR 22 YEARS — before he GUTTED IT — as he did the Ukie
            army… so that if there were a mere 10% Ruski (or *CLAIMED* to be in
            an area) — EVERYTHING HAD TO BE IN RUSKI AS WELL!!! — The COURTS,
            SCHOOLS, etc… Putin gave one of the AUTHORS OF THAT DEFACTO
            ***RUSSIFICATION** LAW — a Ruski language medal — needless to say he
            ran to Russia later …. Hmm… Most odd you think?

            MOST
            PEOPLE IN DONETSK — * the OBLAST — by the numbers — ARE UKIE!!! —
            NOT RUSSO-MONGOLIANS!!! — 60% vs 40% btw. YET RUSKI DOMINATE THE
            LANGUAGE ISSUES!!! — WHY? TAKE A GUESS WHY THEY & THE **MOLES**
            REGARD THAT AS BEING SO IMPORTANT? 😉

            MAKE THE SAME LAWS AS
            THEY DID IN THE BALTIC NATIONS & ENFORCE IT AND YOU HAVE CREATED
            MORE THAN ENOUGH “INCENTIVES” BY THAT ALONE!!! —- RIGHT slavko?

            I
            noted the LYING done about the Estonian Language Law — by your
            “buddy” — “Alex” as YOU call that RUSKI **MOLE** — ” “Alex
            George”/”MichaelA”

            Baltic Nations are a VERY good example.
            Any one that hates Ukraine has ALREADY joined the enemy.
            Your being a Ukrainian “srako-liz” changes NOTHING!!

            Except to undercut & pi*ss off the Russohone fighters in Aydar & Azov that are learning Ukie.

            BTW — something like 93% (or more?) NOW consider themselves to be UKRAINIAN.

            How about you slavko?

          • Andrew Chmile

            Yep…. 2 Ruski mole/trolls up-voted you here :)))

            VERY GOOD INDEED!!!! :)))
            They don’ do that wif me!!! :( SNIVEL!!! :
            Wonder fookin’ why? (

            VERY GOOD SLAVKO …. now go to the gas station & DEMAND they speak Ukie because YOU “FEEL” —- “FORCED!!!!” — to speak English ….. :)))

            “IT’S GENOCIDE OF UKIE SPEAKERS!!!!! A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-E-eeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!”

      • Eddy Verhaeghe

        You wish too much. Apart from the fact that you have sick wishes, there would have been no Russians anymore either.

  • Ihor Dawydiak

    Replacing one barbaric regime with another barbaric regime never constitutes liberation.

  • zorbatheturk

    RuSSians are congenital a-holes. Life under RuSSian occupation is not much better than being a zombie.

    • Sania

      crudje, are ur wife understand where is bastardje and where is
      zombie the durk?

      • zorbatheturk

        Flush yourself down the toilet.

        • Sania

          What pigs are vote u?
          bastardje?

          • Alex George

            Are you aware that this is an English-language blog?

          • zorbatheturk

            Eat a Putin poo pie, tu rd.

  • Микола Данчук

    For the Russian people to accept the fact of being “occupiers” would also require them to accept the fact of the “state” crimes that were committed.
    Which would led one to question ‘What crimes is the Kremlin imposing on the Russian people today?’
    Could be hard to swallow for many.

  • Eolone

    Without hundreds of thousand British and US military equipment and arms, including tanks, trucks, and planes, the Soviets would have been annihilated.

    • Eolone

      The Germans also needed to strengthen their forces in western Europe. The allies were bombing German cities, including rail; north Africa was invaded; and the Germans were expecting another invasion from England.

  • Dirk Smith

    It’s one in the same and Ukraine fought both tyrannies. The Soviet Union should have been de-programmed like Nazi Germany was along with trials. This failure by the West created this current Frankenstein, which will now have to be disposed of as well. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/71f82d724c366493e5186ff35845a2d7e128dc7fd9350e11ba84bab317d759c8.jpg

  • Yaroslav Xobbit

    I will deny – all my grand-ancestors are Ukrainians, not Russians and that’s how we got a seat in the UN. USSR Army is correct, for there were 15 republics besides Russia.

  • Volodimir Shevchenko

    Putin carries on its bayonets and tanks its bastard’s “Russian World” – a formula, that really is just a euphemism, invented for cunning hiding of purebred Moscow Nazism. The same Nazism, it once was extended to half of Europe by Stalin – while hiding behind the fig leaf of communism.