To annex Donbas, Moscow would have to destabilize Ukraine by attacking elsewhere, experts say

A portrait of Russian President Vladimir Putin by Ukrainian artist Darya Marchenko is made from 5,000 used bullet cartridges collected at the Russo-Ukrainian front in eastern Ukraine. The portrait is named "The Face of War." The portrait was presented along with a novel which tells personal stories of six people involved in this project including Darya's own story and stories of people who helped her to collect the bullet shells at the frontline. She calls her art approach philosophic symbolism where every element has its hidden meaning. In her works each used bullet cartridge stands for a human life that was brutally ended by Putin's military invasion into Ukraine. (Image: REUTERS/Gleb Garanich)

A portrait of Russian President Vladimir Putin by Ukrainian artist Darya Marchenko is made from 5,000 used bullet cartridges collected at the Russo-Ukrainian front in eastern Ukraine. The portrait is named "The Face of War." The portrait was presented along with a novel which tells personal stories of six people involved in this project including Darya's own story and stories of people who helped her to collect the bullet shells at the frontline. She calls her art approach philosophic symbolism where every element has its hidden meaning. In her works each used bullet cartridge stands for a human life that was brutally ended by Putin's military invasion into Ukraine. (Image: REUTERS/Gleb Garanich) 

Analysis & Opinion, Military analysis, Russia, War in the Donbas

Just as Moscow opened the way to its annexation of Crimea by undermining Ukrainian positions in the Donbas, so too, if Vladimir Putin decides to officially incorporate parts of the Donbas into the Russian Federation, he would need to launch a major program to destabilize Ukraine by launching attacks elsewhere, according to Kyiv experts.

Such Russian actions elsewhere, these defense analysts say, would not only create problems for Kyiv in maintaining order but also have the effect of forcing the Ukrainian military to pull out of its currently fortified positions opposite the Russian occupiers and aggressors to defend the country elsewhere.

These conclusions, which are contained in a report prepared for the Liga.net portal, are summarized by Kseniya Kirillova on the Krymr.com site today. And the US-based Russian analyst includes the commentaries of others about the Liga analytic report’s findings.

The report begins, Kirillova says, by observing that over the last three years, the military capacity of the Ukrainian military has improved dramatically and that “in the case of a non-nuclear conflict,” Kyiv’s forces on their own “would be capable of inflicting enormous damage on Russian ones.”

Both Russian and Ukrainian analysts share that view. Igor Girkin (aka “Strelkov”), the original field commander of Russia’s “Novorossiya” operation in the Donbas, for example, has said that “it is already impossible to defeat the Ukrainian army in an open battle.” Leonid Polyakov, former Ukrainian defense minister, has said the same.

Despite this, Kirillova continues, “a number of experts assert that Ukrainian diplomats have begun to receive signals from Moscow about preparations for a radical scenario involving a full-scale intervention of Russian forces in the Donbas and the strengthening of the Russian army on the line” opposite Ukrainian forces.

The Liga report specifies that officials near Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko say that “Moscow is considering the option of the official seizure of Ukrainian territories in the Donbas,” something that will require the Russians to increase their efforts at destabilizing other parts of Ukraine.

These sources maintain, the report continues, that “now, the Russians are actively involved in Mykolaiv and Kharkiv” and introducing people there to raise tensions in order to show that “the ‘Novorossiya’ project is still alive.” Oleksandr Turchynov, secretary of the Ukrainian security council, suggests that the Kremlin “will try to destabilize” Kyiv itself.

Girkin-Strelkov, Kirillova points out, has acknowledged that “the integration of the Donbas will be impossible without a full-scale attack on other regions of Ukraine,” something that will force the Ukrainian military to shift away from its currently well-prepared posts in order to respond to attacks elsewhere. That is the only way for Russia to win out.

Ukrainian experts, however, cast doubt on Moscow’s ability to do this anytime soon. As quoted by the Liga report, they suggest that the Russian forces won’t be ready for a full-scale invasion of Ukraine until 2020, some three years from now – although they admit that smaller attacks are possible before that time.

The report also addresses the threats that the Russian military now poses to Belarus and the Baltic countries. Many officials and analysts have suggested that Moscow may not withdraw its forces after the West-2017 exercises in Belarus and thus effectively occupy that country in a “hybrid” manner.

And it says threats to the Baltic countries are “no less serious,” although experts there argue Russia is far less likely to invade them now than it might have been three years ago given that, in the words of one, “NATO partners understand our situation and are ready to back us.” Russian destabilization efforts, of course, are another matter.


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  • Brent

    Will bankrupt broken Russia still exist by 2020 or will it be run by district warlords like Kadyrov in Chechnya ? Putin will likely be in North Korean exile by then

    • zorbatheturk

      Russia pumps 11 million barrels of oil a day, Gazprom has annual revenues of $100 billion, and Putin can plunder 17 million sq kms of territory to finance his mischief. Unfortunately, we have not seen the end of the Putinator. There will need to be an economic collapse right across the emerging markets or a political uprising in Moscow to get rid of the pesky KGB rodent.

    • RedSquareMaidan

      Red Square Maidan will happen before 2020, there is no way the Russian oligarchy will allow Putler to continue with 0% growth and international sanctions.

      • Rafael Hernandez

        0% growth? Did Poroshenko tell you that? The economy is projected to grown 2% year, and an additional 10% over the next for years. To do a Maidan requires paid protesters, which I doubt Russians would do. They are not so stupid to sell their country to NATO and USA

        • RedSquareMaidan

          That’s Kremlin drivel. Here are the facts for the last 8 quarters for Putlerstan:
          -2.8, -4.5, -3.7, -3.8, -.04, -.05, -.04, +.03.
          There you have it, RTroll, facts. I was being generous calling it 0% growth. Try some catsup with your crow!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Russia still lives, while the West lives on credit.

          • Alex George

            Its actually the reverse. Russia is living entirely on credit while the West bankrolls itself and anything else it pleases. We are wealthy, you are dirt poor. Get used to it.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            I happen to be an American living in S Cali. You are correct the USA is dirt poor. $20 trillion in debt. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            They just closed a 5th power plant in Ukraine. Most Ukrainians might soon be using candle light. Ukraine is on a path of collapse. http://novorossia.today/another-power-plant-shutdown-ukraine-5th-due-madness-nazi-elements-blocking-coal-shipments-republics/

          • Jack Hamilton

            Any statistical data obtained from government or government friendly sources is bullshit! The REAL unemployment rate in the US is north of 20% when calculated by formulas used in the 70’s and early 80’s! Everything Government tells us is a lie!

          • Alex George

            LMAO Yes, of course, anything that doesn’t agree with your moronic ideas cannot possibly be true…. ;o)

            Go back to school little boy, and this time, complete more than four years of it.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Complete utter BS. Russia’s economy contracted by -3,6% in 2015, in 2016 -0,6 and is going to grow with 2% this year. Unlike the Ukrainian econony which contracted by -15.1 in 2015 and grew by 1,9% in 2016. Where do you get your numbers from? I know thst you are Russophobic, but atleast make your lies more plausible to believe next time, okay?

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            No reputable international source predicts 2% growth for Russia in 2017. And to grow 10% in the next four years (2018-2021), growth would have to average +/- 2,4%. And for that too, I did not find a reputable source predicting such growth of the Russian economy.

            By the way, we are discussing the prospects of the Russian economy. Not those of the Ukrainian economy. Whatsaboutism, deviation from the subject, etc… the hallmarks of a Cold War debate…

          • Alex George

            No, its the simple truth. You can;t even quote contrary figures since you clearly haven’t analysed what you cite.

            Ukraine’s economy has been trending upwards since 2015. Russia’s has been trending downwards (a lot).

            And no, wishful thinking about 2% growth this year is just that.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Ukraine also would collapse without handouts from the West.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            sure, by not paying their bills

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            trivial bean counting, Russia can feeds all its people doe not matter how bad the economy is. Japan is different. Place a food embargo around all of Japan and 30 million will die after 3 months.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Russia can take decades of no growth to keep Crimea. Russia is not letting go of Crimea.

          • zorbatheturk

            RuSSians are thieving prikks.

        • Alex George

          Sure its “projected” by Putin’s apparatchiks, but those projections are not based on reality.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Ukraine cuts its own growth by blockading Donbas.

          • Jack Hamilton

            Every decision made by the criminals in Kiev hurts Ukrainians and proves the fact that the Kiev Government is authoritarian and does things only to enrich the oligarchs in charge!

          • Alex George

            Except it doesn’t, and you know it.

            The people of Ukraine have rejected Russia’s attempts to rule it. They have told Russia to take its aggression and imperialism and shove them.

            The people of Ukraine are now free of the uncultured eastern barbarians

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            true, but a united Ukraine is not sustainable, Ukraine will be divided up

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            The only country that faces being divided up is Dwarfstan, old eunuch. Peking will take back its former territories in the Far East which Aleksandr II stole in 1856 and 1860; it already de facto controls much of them, if not de jure- not yet.
            Dai-Nippon will get the Kuriles and Sakhalin back which Stalin stole in 1945.
            Germany will get Königsberg back, stolen by Stalin in 1945.
            Finland will get its lost territories back, stolen by Stalin in 1944.

            And that’s just for starters.

          • Thom Kinoshta

            Ukraine is already in 3 parts. Poland and Hungary are standing in line for a slice. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/17/poland-will-begin-dividing-ukraine/

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            except Eastern Ukraine is where Ukraine gets its money, no wonder Eastern Ukraine is upset with Ukraine. They make the money and get little respect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_subdivisions_by_GDP_per_capita#/media/File:Ukraine_GRP_per_capita_2008_US_dollars_(nominal).png

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            No, it wasn’t. It was a bottomless barrel which required huge subsidies from Kyiv to stay afloat- barely. Now your fascist demented pedophile dwarf leader can cough up even more money than Kyiv had to, thanks to stupidly destroying much of what remained. See this article about the looting and destruction by the dwarf’s Kolorads in the so-called LNR:

            http://kresy24.pl/zobacz-co-rosja-zrabowala-ukraincom-z-donbasu-rozkradli-wszystko-do-golej-ziemi/

            Note that this article is over a year old and only deals with the so-called LNR, a simiar article can no doubt be written about the so-called DNR.
            Dwarfstan will have to pay for all the damage its aggression has caused- and it won’t be cheap.

          • Thom Kinoshta

            the business model of Ukraine was a money loser, but without Donbas, Ukraine more than likely will collapse. Ukraine does not have enough time to create a new national business model. come 2019, Ukraine loses its $2 billion a year from Russia for gas transit. That’s 10% of the entire Ukraine governments income. The further Ukraine separates from Russia, the closer Ukraine comes to collapse.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            true, but you have to have a country, Ukraine can collapse at anytime if the West stops sending money to Ukraine

          • Alex George

            Oh please – Ukraine cuts off some local oligarchs who have been trying to cut deals with the Kremlin. Good riddance.

            If you had followed the news you would have seen that Ukraine is already replacing the resources and plant.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            I do follow the news. Ukraine still is facing default.

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Actually it is common knowledge and facts. But of course you are parroting Ukrainian media, which is known to lie, brainwash and decieve

          • Dirk Smith

            LOL. The parrots of Putinstan are in a quandry as their careers of washing dishes is quickly becoming their reality once again. ruSSia: A nation of slaves. 😀

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Dish washing would be a plum job for them , but they have no chance of getting even that. Would YOU employ someone who put “Savushkia troll” as previous job on a job application? I wouldn’t, what with them being lobotomised and castrated, plus addicted to rotgut samogon and Krokodil.
            All Savushkina trolls can look forward to is standing on St. Petersburg street corners with an organ, grinding out “God save our Dwarf” ( to the tune of “God save the Tsar”) all day long in the hope of getting a few rubbles.

          • Alex George

            No I am parroting reality – what the entire world says, apart from the propagandists in Kremlin media. You are alone on this one my friend, just as Russia is alone in the world.

        • Jack Hamilton

          And I have a bridge I’ll sell you in London! The world laughs at Ukraine!

          • Rafael Hernandez

            Ukrainians got what they deserved. The Ukraine seized to exist in early 2014

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            Been recently in Ukraine – not the Ukraine – and the country really does exist.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            for some reason Ukraine does not liked to be called “the Ukraine”. who cares? “the UK”, “the USA”.

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            I do. And more importantly a lot of Ukrainians do!

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            notice how pathetic the country is?

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            No, I haven’t. And if I would have to choose between Russia and Ukraine as a place to live, without hesitation I would choose Ukraine.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            you must be White. People like me that look Japanese are not welcome in Ukraine even though Japan sends money to Ukraine. Japan probably sends the second most money to Ukraine after the USA.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Actually, China is by far the largest investor, easily outstripping the US and Dai-Nippon.

          • Alex George

            Sure it did. Those of us with intelligence and an education have been there. You couldn’t find your way out of downtown Novosibirsk.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            The Ukrainians did, indeed, get what they deserve: visa-free travel to the EU. That’s something Dwarfstanians WON’T be getting soon, if ever. Apparently Lozhvrov is now complaining that only Crimeans with Ukrainian passports will be able to make use of that privilege, but not those with Dwarfstanian passports, calling it “discrimination of Crimeans”. Sorry, Lozhvrov, but visa-free travel is ONLY for Ukrainians, not Dwarfstanians- regardless of where they live.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            this just allows Ukrainians to leave Ukraine

          • Tchitcherine

            So what has Russia to worry about?

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            USA missiles in Ukraine aimed at Russia

          • Alex George

            You know perfectly well that it is the opposite . Ukraine is respected by most other countries, as recent events showed.

            Russia by contrast has very few friends, only other pariah states like North Korea.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            You mean Russia has few allies. Germany switching would be great for Russia, Most likely in the future.

          • Tchitcherine

            Saxony, perhaps. Great. It’s useless anyway.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            looks like the muslims bombed England, 19 dead so far

        • Jack Hamilton

          By the way, you must have been educated in the US, it’s “four” years, not “for”, moron!

        • Alex George

          Oh please, they already have sold it – to China.

          Russia’s break-up is inevitable, and China will be taking the Far East and Siberia. Those places already have a majority of Chinese inhabitants.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Siberians are not Chinese although they both are members of the same genetic race. Japanese are Siberians. Japanese and Siberian language is part of the Turkish language group.

        • Tomas Kinoshta

          not sure what the big deal about growth, Japan rather have no growth and no muslims. Russia can take decades of no growth to keep Crimea. Russia is not letting go of Crimea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKY5bFe_b-o&t

    • Dirk Smith

      Deeper sanctions could wrap things up by next year. I don’t know what we’re waiting for as ruSSia continues to cause anarchy and terror throughout the world on a daily basis.

    • Tomas Kinoshta

      Russia will be around long after the USA or Ukraine. Ukraine has about $17 billion in cash reserves. USA has a $20 trillion debt. Russia has a $110 billion debt. Russia has $400 billion in cash reserves. http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

      • Dirk Smith

        Your beloved third-world ruSSia is a one-dimensional petrostate. Venezuela with more land mass. Once it collapses, most likely by next year, it needs to be chopped up like Yugoslavia’ give Siberia to China.

        • Tomas Kinoshta

          Ukraine probably will collapse first and get divided. Russia has $400 billion in cash reserves and should last for years at $40 oil.

        • Tomas Kinoshta

          at least Russia has gas and oil. The USA has little gas and oil. The USA must start wars and plunder the countries to make money. lots of US propaganda about vast US oil, but current reserves should last 15 more years. US needs to find new gas and oil. N, Dakota oil should run out 15 years. Alaska oil is almost gone now.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Dream on. The US has lots of oil and gas, thanks to the shale oil and gas revolution. US oil production is increasing and is currently over 9 million barrels per day, which is one reason why oil prices are no longer at the $100+ your fascist demented pedophile leader needs to balance the books and fund his senseless wars in Syria and the Donbas. US oil and gas are even being exported in increasing quantities instead of the US importing oil and gas.
            Your demented pedophile leader desperately needs western technology to maintain Dwarfstan’s oil and gas production, but isn’t getting it thanks to the sanctions which he caused by his insane aggression against a friendly neighbour. As a result Dwarfstan’s oil and gas production will slowly but surely decline, meaning fewer $$$ and thus fewer rubbles to pay for your daily troll pay of 2 litres of rotgut samogon. Not only that, but Dwarfstan is also losing customers. Poland has already told Moscow that it won’t renew its contracts for oil and gas when the current contracts expire in 2019 and 2021. It will buy oil and gas from reliable suppliers instead. The Baltics, too, are reducing their purchases of Dwarfstanian oil and gas. The EU as a whole is moving away from fossil and towards renewables. Where does that leave Dwarfstan when they no longer require its oil and gas?

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            and we run out of oil and gas in 15 years unless we find new oil. Canadian oil would be the next step to use. We have never used oil shale since it is more expensive than Canadian tar sands oil. Quietly Russia with 2 times USA oil is moving to more coal power. the USA uses 7 billion barrels a year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            Russia has the advantage of a pipeline. Liquefied gas cost more and most countries can’t afford liquefied gas. Oil probably can be shipped in but which is better supporting Christian Russia or a muslim country? I say Russia.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Saudi Arabia has offered Poland a deal it can’t refuse: it wil undercut ANY price for Dwarfstanian oil. Its production costs are about $8 per barrel, anything above that is pure profit. Dwarfstan’s production costs are far higher, more like $20-30.
            Ditto for gas, with Poland getting LNG from Qatar and Norway. Dwarfstan is an unreliable supplier and no sane person would want to be dependent on a supplier to whom contracts mean nothing. Moscow’s price gouging hasn’t exactly endeared Moscow to the Poles and Baltics either.

          • Dirk Smith

            Your defense of a one-dimensional third-world petrostate is laughable. One more round of sanctions would turn third-world ruSSia into current-day Venezuela. Let’s hope this happens……

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            then the muslims move north and conquer Russia, support Christian Russia

      • Eddy Verhaeghe

        The same was said about the USSR…

      • Dagwood Bumstead

        Actually Dwarfstan’s debt is far larger. (Semi) state companies and banks- e.g. Sberbank, Gazprom- collectively have a debt of $600 billion. So even if Dwarfstan DOES have 400 billion reserves, it can’t meet its obligations.
        But it no longer has those reserves. The Reserve Fund will be empty some time this year according to Tatyana Golikova, Head of Dwarfstan’s Accounting Agency, leaving just the Welfare Fund, meant for pensions and other social expenditures, to be squandered on the demented pedophile Kremlin’s senseless wars in Syria and the Donbas. This will be blown by the end of 2018. Then what? No more pensions? Even less money for Dwarfstan’s already hugely underfunded health care and education? Even more schools and hospitals closed, more teachers, doctors and nurses sacked?

        • Tomas Kinoshta

          I only use facts not you biased bogus numbers. http://www.cbr.ru/eng/

          • Alex George

            No, you are using falsified propaganda. Dagwood is giving you the facts.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Au contraire, old eunuch. I base those figures on public statements by people such as German Gref, head of Sberbank; Tatyana Golikova, head of Dwarfstan’s National Accounting Agency; Anton Siluanov, Dwarfstan’s current Finance Minister; Alexei Kudrin, Siluanov’s predecessor; and also on figures released by Rosstat, Dwarfstan’s Statistical Bureau. Are you claiming you know better than they do????

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            better than you

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Obviously, you don’t.

      • zorbatheturk

        RuSSia will be broke next year. RuSSia’s credit rating sucks the big enchilada.

      • Alex George

        Russia defaulted on its debt in 1998 and had to be bailed out by the EU. Consequently it can’t get any more loans (not officially anyway). So most of its borrowing is done through its state-owned-entities, which are mortgaged to the hilt. And now the Chinese won’t lend anymore – they take equity instead.

        No, the reserve fund is mostly gone now. Putin ruled Russia through some very good times and he has wasted it all.

      • Eddy Verhaeghe

        Tomas, you forget the external debts of the Russian private sector.

    • Dagwood Bumstead

      The Governor of Stavropol krai has now formed his own militia, copying Kadyrov. He won’t be the last to do so.
      By allowing Kadyrov to form his own private militia and declare Chechnya out of bounds to the FSB and GRU the demented dwarf has undermined Moscow’s authority in Chechnya and created a dangerous precedent. Stavropol krai will be the next to ignore Moscow. If the dwarf protests, Stavropol will simply point to Kadyrov and demand the same rights. So will other regions.

    • Thom Kinoshta

      It looks like Russia will be richer than ever I’m 2020. http://observer.com/2017/05/russia-natural-gas-pipelines-turkstream-nordstream2/

      • zorbatheturk

        RuSSians will be eating raw rats.

  • zorbatheturk

    Buy anti-tank missiles and train plenty of snipers. Ukraine must be ready for anything. It is amazing how Putin still manages to camouflage his aggression behind the fake news of separatism.

    • Tomas Kinoshta

      you are falling into the US trap. The US will fight Russia till the last Ukrainian soldier dies.

      • zorbatheturk

        Nonsense.

      • Alex George

        You don’t know anything about Ukraine, do you? I suggest trying to learn something about it before writing rubbish in future.

        Putin’s greed and oppression turned the Ukrainian people against Russia. It is Ukrainians who are fighting for their freedom, not the US.

        And no, there won’t be any “last” Ukrainian soldier dying because the Russian army isn’t good enough to do that.

        • Tomas Kinoshta

          I know more about Ukraine than you think. Ukraine sucks. Ukraine’s problems are created by Ukraine not Russia. I have been to both countries. Russia is better.

          • Dirk Smith

            LOL. Sure, moron. Showing your true intellect, vatnik.

          • Alex George

            You know nothing about Ukraine and you demonstrate that every time you put fingers to keyboard:

            * Ukraine’s economy is moving ahead while Russia’s declines;
            * Ukraine’s army has fought off everything Russia could throw at it and now Russian commanders admit they cannot defeat it in open battle;
            * Ukraine has culture and art, while Russia seem s to be producing nothing these days;
            * The Ukrainian people have pride and freedom, while Russians just seem to wallow in misery.

            Russia tried to bring down Ukraine, using all its vast resources. It failed.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            all false statements, Russia just wants a low grade conflict to make Ukraine ineligible to join NATO. A country cannot join NATO if it is in a conflict.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            But Dwarfstan can’t afford even a low-level conflict. And it doesn’t change the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are being brought up to NATO standard by instructors from the US, Canada, the UK, Poland and the Baltics.
            All the demented dwarf’s aggression has achieved long-term is that the Ukrainians have changed from being a friendly neighbour to a NATO ally- the very thing he wanted to prevent.

        • Bayethe

          That’s true. Russia took Crimea without a single shot being fired. So no soldiers from The Ukraine will be lost. They will all do a Crimea and just give in.

          • Alex George

            Of course they will Bayethe. Just forget the fact that after Crimea Russia went into the Donbass and was stopped cold. It gave up its last offensive in January 2015 and has not moved since.

            Oh wait, it did try an offensive earlier this year around Avdiivka. The Russians who ran screaming were the smart ones .

            The one time in Crimea where traitors handed over the barracks, Russia could succeed. But as soon as a single shot was fired, Russia failed. Why? Because Russian boys don’t have the ticker.

            Now, next time I am in Kyiv I am just SURE to see Russian tanks rolling down Kreshchatyk street, right?! ;o)

          • Bayethe

            That’s where you are wrong. That wasn’t Russia. It was Ukrainians in Donbas remember Poroshenko crying to the UN and begging for a cease fire when his soldiers where surrounded in Debaltseve???
            Stopped cold you say!!!! Try again.

          • Murf

            Bayethe you have been around long enough to know Streklov put paid on that lie.

            .

    • Jack Hamilton

      Keep believing the propaganda you moron!

      • zorbatheturk

        The only Jack I trust is Jack Daniel.

        • slavko

          And I’ll drink to that!!

      • Alex George

        It is the truth. Putin is an aggressor, but he is losing the foolish war he started against Ukraine.

      • Eddy Verhaeghe

        Insults are not arguments…

      • Tomas Kinoshta

        you are the moron

    • Dagwood Bumstead

      We can all help by donating to various organisations that collect funds to buy equipment for the Ukrainian Armed Forces- laser range finders, telescopic sights, the list is endless. Much has already been done, but more needs to be done. Every single dollar, euro, pound etc donated is a punch on the demented dwarf’s nose and helps to strengthen the Ukrainians..

      • Tomas Kinoshta

        sound like Ukraine running on handouts, go with a winner support Russia

        • Alex George

          Call it whatever you like. Ukrainian soldiers and volunteers in 2014 had nothing while the Russians were well-equipped, yet the Russians failed.

          Why? Because they did not understand that shiny equipment is not enough to win a war. Poorly equipped but highly motivated Ukrainian volunteers beat well-equipped but poorly motivated Russian conscripts and mercenaries.

          Get an army that will fight, with soldiers that understand what courage means – then you might have some hope. But we both know its too late for Russia.

        • Dagwood Bumstead

          They aren’t handouts, old eunuch. Those donations are supporting the underdog against an evil fascist aggressor which can’t accept that it’s lost its colonial empire forever. What’s more, it’s every bit in our interest to cause as much damage to Dwarfstan as possible. The weaker Dwarfstan is, the more of the dwarf’s Kolorads get their arsєs shot off the better, the sounder we and the Ukrainians sleep.

    • Tomas Kinoshta

      Ukraine can’t join NATO if it in a war. That is the idea of the war in Donbas.

      • zorbatheturk

        Ukraine is gonna join NATO one day and stomp Putin.

      • Alex George

        Rules will be changed if necessary. Ukraine will join NATO as soon as it reaches the required standards.

        Russia is bankrupting itself with the war in Donbass, so let it continue.

  • Alex George

    Interesting idea.

    Where is putin going to get the money and troops to do this?

    Especially the troops – he is already forced to use tens of thousands of conscripts in Donbass. He needs high quality contract soldiers if he wants to invade Ukraine, and the ones he has got are fully committed to Donbass, Crimea and Syria.

    • Tomas Kinoshta

      Ukraine troops are slugs too.

      • Alex George

        Sure, that’s why Russia’s attack in 2014 failed….

        If Putin wants to take over Ukraine he is going to need a better army.

        And that includes finding soldiers who will fight.

        • Tomas Kinoshta

          You do not seem to understand. Ukraine is worthless. Russia would go bankrupt annexing Ukraine. A low grade war makes Ukraine ineligible to join NATO. even statehood for Donbas, is a loss for Russia.

          • Alex George

            Oh I understand very well. You are an incompetent and uneducated Russian troll. Statements like “Ukraine is worthless” illustrate exactly why Ukraine has turned its back on Russia. You get what you deserve, and in this case you lose what you deserve to lose. Ukraine will never turn back to Russia again, and you have your own stupidity and arrogance is to blame for that.

            Russia dare not withdraw from Ukraine, yet it cannot afford to stay there. So it will carry on till it bankrupts itself, while Ukraine steadily improves.

            And don’t worry about NATO. Ukraine will join as soon as it is ready. It still has a lot of work to do reaching standards.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            I am pretty sure if Ukraine joins NATO, Ukraine will be nuked.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            If “Ukraine is worthless”, old eunuch, why is your il Duce-ski the fascist demented pedophile Krumblin dwarf trying so desperately to make Kyiv bow to Moscow?

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            control

          • Murf

            You don’t understand, Donbas has cost Putin 200 million Dollars last alone. At 60 rubles to the dollar that’s 1.2 billion rubles.
            Considering Russia has reduced its spending on wealth care to the level of an African Warlord I would say the true price is even higher.
            Sooooo by definition, someone thinks it worth something.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            you are correct that Donbas is costing Russia money. Crimea is another parasitic republic that cost Russia $2 billion a year not counting the bridge. I think your $200 million is low. Russia is paying the pensions in Donbas too. The blockade will cut cost since some profits will defer Russian cost.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            WHAT profit? The so-called LNR and DNR can no longer ship coal to free Ukraine. So, what are they going to do with the coal standing in umpteen coal wagon on railway sidings? Eat it? Sell it? To whom? Dwarfstan doesn’t need the coal- the demented dwarf closed mines in Dwarfstan because it no longer needed the coal they produced. Nor do Dwarfstan’s few “allies” need coal- North Korea, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Cuba, Zimbabwe. North Korea has coal of its own and even exports to China.
            Only massive handouts from Moscow keep the so-called LNR and DNR afloat- barely. But with Dwarfstan running out of cash the handouts will end sooner or later. Then what?

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            true, but Russia will buy Donbas coal. It looks like Russia is selling Donbas coal to Ukraine for a higher price. Ukraine loses again.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            But Kyiv is no longer buying, old eunuch- haven’t you heard of the blockade? So, I repeat my question: to whom will the demented dwarf sell the Donbas coal? There are already hundreds, if not thousands, of laden coal wagons standing idle in the sidings of the so-called LNR and DNR. And it looks like they are going to be there for a loooooooong time.

          • Thom Kinoshta
          • Murf

            No the blockade is going to raise the price tag. The cost of getting one factory back into operation is 5 million before the line even starts.
            They have already had to offer a special subsidy to transport ore to Donbas. It usually comes fro Ukraine. Instead of cash coming in to Donbas in the from of wages and products from Ukraine it will have to come from Russia.
            Donbas is just another parasitic province like Transnistier, ans South Ossitia.

          • Andrew Chmile

            “Tomas Kinoshta”

            is just another Ruski troll usong various variations of the above name & pretends to be a Japanese American….

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            And 4 days ago you told is that money was made in the Donbas. Could you please make up your mind?

        • Thom Kinoshta

          a DJ is not going to send any free stuff to Ukraine anymore. Ukraine has to buy it. Of course, Ukraine will just not pay. http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/ussr/ukraine/23-05-2017/137806-usa_ukraine-0/

    • Tomas Kinoshta

      Ukraine is actually worthless and unlikely of a Russian invasion. Donbas will most likely become a country. The problem is Ukraine controls the water and electricity for Donbas. Also Ukraine controls land too close to the city of Donetsk.

      • Alex George

        LOL Russia has already tried to invade Ukraine, in 2014, and it failed. Russian boys had lots of new shiny equipment, but they lacked motivation.

        But in so doing, Putin turned Ukraine irrevocably against Russia. The incompetent fool.

        Russia holds less than half of the Donbass, illegally. Same for Crimea. Both Donbass and Crimea are Ukrainian and Russia will give them up.

        • Tomas Kinoshta

          move on, Crimea and Donbas are gone forever from Ukrainian control, besides Ukraine destroyed Donbas. Ukraine can’t afford to repair Donbas.

          • Alex George

            On the contrary, both Crimea and Donbas remain very much part of Ukraine.

            Putting some half-trained Russian conscripts into a piece of territory for less than three years does nothing at all to make it yours.

            And as for destruction, yes Russia has done its best to destroy both Crimea and occupied Donbass, through neglect, incompetence and corruption. But nothing Ukraine can’t fix – it is now doing better than Russia economically, and things will only improve for it.

      • Dirk Smith

        Ukraine is your gay pederast’s graveyard. His days are numbered….. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9efa813d417228c20b9a0f2cba5c45eb1f771ae0166c9bf72b69dae0241ea47b.jpg

      • Murf

        So in other words they are not worthless.

        • Tomas Kinoshta

          no country wants Ukraine and Ukrainian debt. The most likely outcome is Donbas statehood and breaking up Ukraine into about 5 pieces. Poland, Hungary, Romania, and Russia are waiting for Ukraine to crash. https://theinternationalreporter.org/2016/01/18/poland-will-begin-dividing-ukraine/

        • Tomas Kinoshta

          take Crimea. Crimea is a parasitic republic. a loser that cost Russia $2 billion a year to maintain. Donbas was actually one of the rare areas of Ukraine that made money until Ukraine destroyed it. Western Ukraine are all money losers. You can’t make a lot money selling wheat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_subdivisions_by_GDP_per_capita#/media/File:Ukraine_GRP_per_capita_2008_US_dollars_(nominal).png

          • Eddy Verhaeghe

            As I said before, the Donbas was subsidized by Kyiv. Nowadays money is made in e.g. IT and you will not find much of that in Donbas.

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            but Donbas made money for Ukraine. without Donbas contributing to Ukraine, Ukraine is more likely to default. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_subdivisions_by_GDP_per_capita#/media/File:Ukraine_GRP_per_capita_2008_US_dollars_(nominal).png

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            It made money for Akhmetov, Pinchuk and other oligarchs, but not for the country. The Donbas industry required massive subsidies from Kyiv to stay open- Kyiv bought gas for $350per 1,000 cu metres and sold it to the Donbas for $220. But much of that industry has been destroyed by the dwarf’s Kolorads- and Dwarfstan will have to pay for the destruction it caused. $25 billion won’t even begin to cover the costs of reconstruction.

          • Thom Kinoshta

            wrong Ukrainian politicians sold gas to the public at a loss to get reelected. This is another reason Ukraine is broke. Ukrainian financial problems are caused by Ukraine not Russia.

          • Murf

            Crimea was always worthless 1 billion drain on Ukraine.
            Good riddance.

            Donbas was fading before Strecklov showed up. Russia just accelerated the process. Most of the mines were profitable with out massive subsidies. with a few exceptions, the factories were old inefficient Soviet era junk heeps that were going to take massive amounts of cash to modernize.
            Both Crimea and Donbas were bastions of backwards thinking Pro Russian sentiment that were holding back the modernization of Ukraine.
            Good riddance to the also. With out their voters PoR ,now Opposition Block, are hamstrung in the Rada.
            It’s been painful but in the long run Putin’s invasion is the best thing that ever happened to Ukraine.
            Oh by the way the unemployment in Western Ukraine is 6.4%. It’s 16% in government controlled Donbas.
            So I guess you can make money welling wheat. and steel, titanium, IT innovation, tourism, Cattle , sunflower oil, defense industries etc…

          • Tomas Kinoshta

            you are correct that Donbas is a rust bucket and the reason Russia does not want Donbas and the $20 billion repair bill. Donbas will never be ruled by Ukraine. Donbas will most likely become a country

    • Thom Kinoshta

      DJ is not going to send any free stuff to Ukraine anymore. Ukraine has to buy it. Of course, Ukraine will just not pay. http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/ussr/ukraine/23-05-2017/137806-usa_ukraine-0/

  • Jack Hamilton

    This site is nothing but Western propaganda. Worthless yellow journalism at best!

    • Alex George

      No, its the truth. The Ukrainians have seen through the worthless Kremlin propaganda and are now living their own lives without Russian input.

    • Dirk Smith

      Ukraine, Once again defending Europe from the mongol vermin.

      • Tomas Kinoshta

        Japanese are Mongols and a hell of lot better than you.

        • Alex George

          Yes, but they don’t pretend to be something else, like the Russians do.

    • Bert

      Trolololololooo trololo trolololololo trololo lololol. This guy is obviously a troll.

    • Eddy Verhaeghe

      And your arguments are?