Ukraine must deny the “DNR,” “LNR,” and “Republic of Crimea” any claim to legitimacy

Occupied territories of Ukraine

Occupied territories of Ukraine 

Analysis & Opinion, Crimea, Politics, Ukraine, War in the Donbas

We must not create the illusion that Ukraine can exist where there is no Ukrainian flag, Ukrainian government or Ukrainian law.

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Vadym Chernysh, minister in charge of the occupied territories and internally displaced persons

The statement made by Vadym Chernysh, minister in charge of the occupied territories and internally displaced persons, on Ukraine’s future relations with the regions currently controlled by the enemy once again lays the issue of the legal status of Crimea and Donbas on the table. However, until we firmly recognize the occupied territories as actually occupied, until we understand that our mission is to complicate the invader’s daily life, until we understand that we must help our compatriots, we are doomed to live in the shadows.

To begin with, we must understand a very simple problem. The Russian invader is responsible for the occupied territories. The invader, and not the person whose money was taken away. Every ruble, which Russia now spends on the Donbas and Crimea is our contribution to its upcoming collapse. If the Russian government does NOT collapse, if the Organized Crime Syndicate currently at the head of the “Russian Federation” is NOT re-formatted into a sovereign state or a federation of different countries respected by its neighbours, not one Ukrainian – and not only Ukrainian – will feel safe and secure. If this collapse fails to happen, we will all be killed sooner or later by mortar shells. Moreover, the fact that we will die from conventional bombings while the Germans or French die from nuclear ones does not make our fate any easier or lighter.

Therefore, anyone who wants to make it easier for the aggressor is an enemy of Ukraine, an enemy of the civilized world, an enemy of his children’s future. This does not mean that we should abandon our compatriots who live in the occupied territories. No, on the contrary, we must do everything we can to alleviate their plight.

We must encourage their departure from the occupied territories to other parts of Ukraine; we must help them with housing and employment, with their children’s education and we must provide medical aid to their sick.

We must encourage young people from the occupied territories to attend Ukrainian universities and institutions, even by setting up quotas. We must draw more of their young people to serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine; we must educate the future liberators of our country.

We must build government structures in exile and  deny the “DNR,” “LNR” and “Republic of Crimea” any claim to legitimacy. At the same time, we must prosecute and punish all traitors who serve the enemy. The enemy, who not only talks rubbish on TV, but also kills, tortures and rapes… because Russian mercenaries and the security and law enforcement agencies in Donbas and Crimea kill, torture and abuse Ukrainian patriots with the tacit – or loud – approval of the degraded society of our criminal neighbour.

We must not create the illusion that Ukraine can exist where there is no Ukrainian flag, Ukrainian government or Ukrainian law. Today, there is no Ukraine in Donetsk, Luhansk and Simferopol, and there cannot be a Ukraine until all these regions have been liberated. All Ukrainian citizens residing in these territories must understand this undeniable fact just as clearly and comprehensively as we – the inhabitants of a free Ukraine – understand it.

Translated by: Christine Chraibi
Source: Novosti Ukrayiny

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  • Quartermaster

    Hmmmm. Where is Adrian who supports the rape of Crimea and the Donbas at, I wonder? Helping in the rape of Transdniestria perhaps? Or at least apologizing for the rapists? Certainly, at least, the latter.

    • Quartermaster

      Obviously, you are unable to read. Not even the title says what you claim.

      • Alex George

        Which again, does not assist your argument at all.

        There is far more fascism and neo-Nazzism in Russia than anywhere else, including Ukraine.

        • M W

          Yes, this is so true! Russia pretends to be a friend to the Jews in order to make Ukraine look bad and antisemitic. The Russian trolls love to bring up Ukrainian acts of antisemitism and claim Ukraine is still this way. The reason Russian trolls know so much about these events is because they admire them and can’t wait to engage in modern day pogroms as they stir the Arabs up to attack Israel. I have spoken to a lot of pro-Israel Ukrainians and a number of Israelis who support Ukraine.

        • Mick Servian

          I’m not so sure about that.

          • Quartermaster

            Because you are utterly uninformed.

          • Mick Servian

            Yeah.
            I don’t think so. It seems everyone that doesn’t think like you is “uninformed”.
            Must be nice.

          • Quartermaster

            You’re uninformed because you have embraced myth instead of fact.

          • Mick Servian

            Yep
            Everything that doesn’t conform to your thinking is myth.
            Must be nice
            But then what to expect from someone quoting the bible and attributing it to today’s events.

          • Quartermaster

            That it was written about today’s events is the point. But trolls don’t care about truth, just harassing people and lying.

      • Quartermaster

        I suggest a trip to Moscow, or any other large Russian city. You will a very large number of “Skin heads.” who are true Neo-Nazis. In Ukraine, they are almost non-existent.

        The “neo-Nazi brigade fighting Russian terrorists in the Donbas is essentially non-existent as well. There isn’t even a battalion, much less a brigade.

        • Mick Servian

          Of course dude. Let’s just sleep walk through the whole thing.

          • Quartermaster

            I’ll leave the sleep walking to you and your ilk.

          • Mick Servian

            My ilk??
            Lol
            Yeah that’s why your country is in the shit.

          • Quartermaster

            My country is in the state it is because of morons like yourself.

          • Mick Servian

            Hahaha
            No way you just said that.
            Gold.
            Im to blame for your country’s failures? Really?
            Nah, me thinks YOU is to blame, for YOUR country

          • Quartermaster

            Nah. I stand with the founders, who produced a legal order where the rule of law was supreme, not the rule of men. Leftards, OTOH, have embraced the nonsense you love, which leads to nothing more than chaos.

          • Mick Servian

            I don’t know what you are on about. Must be your own internal ramblings.
            But i get it. Everyone is to blame for your country going to shit. Except for you.

          • Quartermaster

            Of course you have no idea what my “ramblings” are about. All you’re out to do is troll and intelligence is something that isn’t required for that. Or truth.

    • Alex George

      Rubbish – that is exactly what the fascist Putin regime claims.

      Nice doctored vid by the way – a great example of crude Kremlin propaganda!

      • Mick Servian

        Wait.
        What was doctored there?
        And no, I’ve never heard the Kremlin say anything like that in public.
        That fool Poroshenko just did though.
        Starting a war with his own people.

  • Murf

    Ukraine is realizing that they have to fight this war on ALL fronts.
    Every ruble spent in Syria or feeding Donbas can not be used against them.
    I wish they had supported the Syrian Rebels. Controversial yes but even one Russian or Syrian plane had been brought down it would have tied up Russia for months longer.

    • Quartermaster

      Russia isn’t out of Syria yet. Any withdrawal will be temporary as well.

      • Alex George

        True, the Kremlin is now sending artillery units there. It is being drawn into a long-term conflict, just like it did in Afghanistan.

        • Quartermaster

          In Ezekial chapters 38 and 39, it is prophesied that God would put a hook in the jaw of the King of the North. Putin’s Army has an appointment that it will keep on the Mountains of Israel. 5 sixths of the Army will be destroyed and Russia will become a spent force permanently. Russia is back in the middle east to stay. In the end, mostly as dead bodies.

          • M W

            But what about Ukraine? Any insights? I love Ukraine and Israel, but the West is very ignorant about Ukraine. Sometimes they think Ukraine is just a bunch of somewhat democratic, West leaning Russians. Every theologian that talks about Russia in the end times eather does not acknowledge countries like Ukraine or just counts it as part of Russia even though the Bible does not say this. Why does the Bible list so many -ites? Hittites, Jebusites, Edomites, etc-ites. God must think they are different people and so is Ukraine different. So what will happen to Ukraine when the end nears?

          • Quartermaster

            No idea. I don’t see Ukraine addressed, per se, in prophecy. Same with the US.

          • Mick Servian

            Where’s your tinfoil hat dude?
            Quick

          • Quartermaster

            You stole it.

          • Mick Servian

            Hahaha thanks but make up your own witticism. Go.
            Put the hat back on, might give you ideas.

          • Quartermaster

            I wouldn’t take it from someone that obviously needs it so badly.

    • Mick Servian

      Did you just say that Ukraine should support ISIS in Syria?

      • Murf

        I don’t know. Reread my post.Did I specifically say thoes words?
        No I did not. Souuporting ISIS would put Ukraine in direct opposition to the west and civilization as a whole.
        I said the Syrian Rebels, many of whom fight Assad and ISIS.
        When I said that a year ago Aleppo had not fallen and the issue was in doubt.
        The opportunity has now passed.
        The principle is still valad.
        Challenging Russia where ever how ever and whenever possible should be their guiding principle.

        • Mick Servian

          Well those rebels are mostly terrorists. From the mouths of ordinary Syrians.
          Supporting continuing war in Syria to keep Russia occupied is a pretty bad strategy.

          • Murf

            Everybody over there call each other terrorists.
            Assadists use chlorine gas on civilians.
            ISIS burn people alive.
            The rebels chop heads.
            SDF are the only ones who are half way clean and even they can play rough.
            Contrary to wishful thinking, wars are brutal and ugly. Hard decisions have to be made. Decisions that Russia doesn’t mind making. If you want to fight them you have to be willing make hard decisions too.

          • Mick Servian

            Yeah…no proof Assad used any chemical weapons.

          • Murf

            Yeah not much, just dead bodies.

          • Mick Servian

            What?
            How are dead bodies proof he did anything? No proof was provided by the US. Just like no proof was produced on Iraqs wmds.

          • Quartermaster

            You need the situation that no proof exists, therefore there is no proof. There was plenty of it, but I don’t expect a Russian troll to accept anything so mundane as that which exists.

          • Mick Servian

            No buddy i don’t need that.
            I what i would like to see is proof.
            Big talk from msm but no proof.
            You say there was plenty of it?
            Why don’t you mention some of it?

          • Quartermaster

            I rest my case. I’d say get out sometime, but you’re like the rest of the trolls that visit here, you have nothing, and want nothing except lies.

          • Murf

            Try to keep up with current events and technology.
            The UN recently concluded that the most recent attack was Saren gas.
            The US has AWACS monitoring Syria’s air space.
            And it ain’t like it was the first time.

  • Quartermaster

    Why do shills for the criminal regime in Moscow think everyone will accept their lies at face value? The world knows that the US had nothing to do with Maidan. It is absolutely necessary for the world to accept the opposite for Russia to reach it’s propaganda goal. Unfortunately, for you and the rest of Russia’s troalls and liars, the facts are already out in the public domain, and you’ve already lost on that score.

    Putin’s regime is nothing more than a mafia regime that supports neo-Nazis and criminals in Crimea, and the Donbas.

    • Alex George

      Correct – the leaked phone call to which you refer does not indicate that USA “select the Ukrainian PM”. Rather it indicates the opposite. The Americans never conceived that Yanukovych would be so stupid as to do what he actually did – order the torture, imprisonment and killing of peaceful protesters. Yanukovych and his masters in the Kremlin succeeded in turning protest into open revolt, through their own ineptitude.

      And I agree, I am always amazed how Kremlin trolls can just keep spamming the same low-level propaganda over and over…

      And no, the Ukrainian government does not train or arm Nazzis, quite the opposite. It is Russian guard units who today wear the symbol of the 29th SS Division on their uniforms, and Russian war heroes who proudly sport that same SS symbol on their medals, so I would not go carrying on about Nazzi symbols if I were you.

      • Mick Servian

        Yeah you train fascists.
        I don’t work for the Kremlin.
        And sure immediately after an agreement with Russia was signed trouble stirs up. Another colour revolution among many. And each one turned violent, no surprise there.
        I’m not sure about yanukovich but i do know that the US is using Nazi tactics. Allying themselves with every Nazi collaborator possible. Don’t believe me? Go check it out. It’s no secret.
        And Ukraines illegitimate rulers are also fascists

        • Quartermaster

          You may not be paid by the Kremlin, but you are working for them.
          You need to get off the drugs and conspiracy websites.

          • Mick Servian

            Nah i like this one. It’s entertainment.
            Sorry if everyone is a troll to you.
            Guess it takes one to know one.

          • Quartermaster

            You aren’t a troll because I, or anyone else, says you’re a troll. You’re a troll because you act like a troll.

          • Mick Servian

            Sure buddy sure
            Everyone is a troll that doesn’t agree with you.
            Must be nice

          • Quartermaster

            Read what I posted earlier. Nothing more needs to be added.

          • Mick Servian

            Must be nice living in fantasy land

          • Quartermaster

            never liked the place even at one look. Too crowded with you and people like you.

          • Mick Servian

            But you’re there right now. Wow deluded much?

          • Quartermaster

            Nah. Haven’t been there in over 50 years. As I said it was too crowded with people like yourself.
            Like all Russian trolls, you are utterly deluded.

          • Mick Servian

            Check your grammar.
            I feel for you.
            Hopefully you’ll be able to get out of Ukraine soon.

          • Quartermaster

            No need to feel for me. You have enough problems of your own to keep you busy for the next Millennia.

            I speak real English. There’s nothing wrong with my grammar. You’re simply feeling around for something to say. Just like the typical loser that trolls.

          • Mick Servian

            Oh what? Did i touch a nerve on that complex?
            You speak”intellectually superior REAL ubermensch” English?
            Really?
            You talk like you know anything about me.
            Yet you don’t.
            Calling me names is ok dude. As long as it fuels your huge ego.

          • Quartermaster

            You give yourself far too much credit. No one has touched a nerve with me in over 20 years. You haven’t come close.

            The huge ego on this board is you. You need to re-read your post. It’s just a bit incoherent, and very much contradictory.

          • Mick Servian

            What? Like this one?

    • Quartermaster

      There were no such admissions. The money given to ukraine was given over about 20 years, not in the short period you lying Russian Propagandists like to cite.

      The neo-Nazis are almost entirely on the side of Russian terrorists. The Russian Orthodox church is also training people to join their fellow terrorists in the Donbas.

      When it comes to neo-Nazis, Russia is on very thin ice. Putin himself is following Nazi patterns in his threats to his neighbors.

      • Ukrainian girl

        The name of Ukraine is capitalized.

        • Quartermaster

          Thanks. I didn’t catch that typo.

      • Mick Servian

        Yeah sure.
        Here’s a thought.
        If you’re ashamed to admit fascists are running your country. Why not change?
        Projecting instead is not cool

        • Quartermaster

          DimoKKKRats are certainly fascists. That’s no secret.
          You need to learn what projection means. It doesn’t mean what you think it does.

          • Mick Servian

            I know what projection means. Studied it…do you? ??

          • Quartermaster

            Staring at something for hours is no study.

          • Mick Servian

            Hahaha
            enlighten mr then. What does it mean?

          • Quartermaster

            It doesn’t mean what a leftard thinks it means.

          • Mick Servian

            Well what does it mean dude? You claim you know. Put your money where your big mouth is.

          • Quartermaster

            I quit wiping snotty noses after my kids were no longer toddlers. I have no intention of restarting. Besides, you’re the one that’s trolling here, not me.

    • Mick Servian

      Of course the US had a hand in it.
      Only a naive fool would think otherwise. And your fascist friends don’t care about getting used as long as they can hate orthodox Russians

      • Quartermaster

        Naïve fools are always on about how the US is into everything. The Ukrainians themselves knew what they were facing and rose on their own. Russian trolls think otherwise, but that’s to be expected.

        • Mick Servian

          Yeah that’s why the orthodox eastern Ukrainians rose up against your illegitimate government.
          And last i checked mccain and nuland were at the coup. They don’t deny it.

          • Quartermaster

            No. Russian GRU infiltrators “rose” against the government. There was no coup, although Putinist fools wish there had been, not that it would have mattered. The Ukrainians have the right to remove someone that isn’t doing his job and violates his oath of office. Putinist shills, OTOH, have nothing but lies.

          • Mick Servian

            Yeah looked like a coup in the videos

          • Quartermaster

            I guess to idiot it would. Particularly to an idiot that has no idea what a coup looks like in the first place.

  • Alex George

    Why are Kremlin trolls so crude and obvious, not to mention highly inaccurate?

    Interesting to see that you cannot come up with a single rational argument; rather your post simply consists of abuse. Is that the best the Kremlin can do these days?

  • MichaelA

    easy enough to deny – they don’t really exist
    just a bunch of bandits pretending to be a state

    • rgb

      Your postings of denouncement and hatred prove there is a Ukraine and Ukrainians. Otherwise, you wouldn’t bother making a fool of yourself.

      • MichaelA

        ? i was referring to the fake republics in the donbass, not to ukraine

        • Ukrainian girl

          Ukrainie is the name of the sovereign country and,hence,capitalized.

          • Alex George

            Calm down. MA is a colonial, i.e. Australian, and rarely capitalises anything. You are lucky he even used punctuation!

  • M W

    Maidan is a Ukrainian movement! Of course there are Americans and other people around the world who support and love Ukraine, but Ukrainians are taking the lead.

    • Mick Servian

      Yeah the US just loves you to bits. Lol

      • Quartermaster

        Putin loves you and thanks you for your support.

        • Mick Servian

          Thanks but I don’t care.

          • Quartermaster

            You should. He’s the guy you support.

          • Mick Servian

            Not really.
            But if you say i support putin.
            Then of course i must be.
            Cause you know things, right?
            Except projection.lol

          • Quartermaster

            The positions you’re pushing are those of Putin. It’s really hard to argue that you aren’t a Putinist shill.

          • Mick Servian

            No and that’s the sad thing about you. You won’t ever realize it.
            I push my own position. Had it long before Putin came along.
            But i guess its easier for you to brand people.
            Easier than actually answering to questions.

          • Quartermaster

            Your positions are those of Putin and the other Russian trolls that occasionally come, post lies and eventually get blocked when they start acting as you are. Alas, like your stuff, which is nothing more than a repeat of their trash, is all lies.

            Trolls gotta troll, and Putin’s trolls are among the worst of the lot. Trolls just like you.