Russia can no longer afford a blue water navy, defense minister suggests

Putin at the Russian Navy Day celebrations in St. Petersburg, Russia on July 31, 2016 (Image: kremlin.ru)

Putin at the Russian Navy Day celebrations in St. Petersburg, Russia on July 31, 2016 (Image: kremlin.ru) 

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Sergey Shoygu, Russia’s defense minister, says that Moscow will still build submarines – a giant one was launched this week – and will recondition its only aircraft carrier – despite rising costs – but will build frigates rather than larger ships, acknowledging that Moscow can no longer afford large surface ships for a blue water navy.

In reporting Shoygu’s assertion that the Russia’s main task is to attack coastal targets, Vzglyad journalist Andrey Rezchikov says that according to experts with whom he spoke, the minister’s words mean that “Russia can no longer permit itself an oceanic fleet” consisting of large surface vessels as in Soviet times.

Military journalist Sergey Sochevanov, who edits the Flot.com portal, says that what Russia is doing is consistent with what many countries are as far as their navies are concerned, relying on smaller ships to do what they had assumed only large ones could do. And that Moscow will still send out these smaller ships into the distant seas.

But Konstantin Sivkov, the first vice president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, takes a more jaundiced view. He says that Shoygu’s statement means that Russia is no longer planning to field a fleet as powerful as the American one and instead is focusing on coastal defense and those tasks that smaller ships can perform.

“The possibilities of the Russian navy are significantly more modest than the oceanic fleet which was constructed in the time of the USSR, and the defense minister in essence has confirmed this,” he says. And the minister’s words mean that Moscow will have to rely more on aviation and on submarines.

But Sivkov leaves no doubt as to why this decision was taken: Moscow hasn’t taken it because its strategy has changed but because it lacks the money to do otherwise. In sum, its strategy is being dictated by the lack of money to do otherwise, not the best way, he implied, to decide how to defend the country.


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  1. Avatar Mykola Potytorsky says:

    Ha ha ha to Russia. What about that super carrier Russia has been yelling about that they will build. Ha ha ha

  2. Avatar Murf says:

    Oh my GOD!
    I laughed so hard I nearly puked!
    What the Fu*K was this all about?
    Seizing Sevastopol as a forward base for their jumped up PT Boat fleet.
    Slaughtering Syrians like flies for a port in the Eastern Med.
    And now they can’t even afford a blue water navy!
    Oh the irony is almost painful.

    1. Avatar Alex George says:

      Nailed it, Murf.

      So ironic that the main reason they went into Crimea will soon be irrelevant.

      1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

        Which makes one wonder why they are even bothering with an overhaul of the “Kuznetsov”. What’s the point of having an aircraft carrier of extremely limited capabilities (nowhere near those of a US carrier) when you don’t even have ships which can accompany her on long-range missions properly?
        Best would be to decommission and scrap or sell the “Kuznetsov” and use the rubbles for something worthwhile and affordable, but she will probably be retained for prestige reasons. Oh well, they’re not MY rubbles.
        One could even start to question whether Dwarfstan can continue building nuclear subs if they’re so short of cash.

        1. Avatar Murf says:

          Yeah it does seem a bit on the pointless side.
          But its a macho for Vlad the Shirtless.
          At least Ukraine had sense enough to give up in their hunk of junk cruiser.

        2. Avatar Alex George says:

          A very good question and the answer illustrates a fundamental truth about Putin’s regime – its all show. They must have an aircraft carrier that sails. It might be very inefficient, useless even, but they must have one because it promotes the illusion that Russia is a great power.

    2. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

      One could also ask “why does Dwarfstan want bases in Cuba and Vietnam again” as the country can’t afford them.

      1. Avatar Murf says:

        Same reason Rednecks LOOOVE big trucks.
        Penial extension.

        1. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

          Ah, but there’s a difference: Many a redneck have actual need for them, use them for work, and maintain them in a driving condition.

          1. Avatar Vasyl P. says:

            Indeed. A small little truck will have a hard time driving through mud on unkempt country roads.

          2. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

            I haven’t seen many unkempt country roads, at least not in the states I’ve lived in for a more or less extended periods of time (e.g., PA, NC, and especially FL). But the people who need to go somewhere in the wild – like those folks on the “Swamp People” show, for example – really need an off-read capable vehicle. Add to those scads of blue-collar small businessmen who need full-size trucks just to be able to haul their stuff, etc.

            Surely, Murf is right in that there’re also lots of people who drive full-size trucks and SUVs needlessly, sort of like a status symbol or for whatever other equally inane idea that may have struck their fancies. And not all of those are necessarily “rednecks”, all the more that what the term actually encompasses is quite murky.

            People do financially asinine things all the time and everywhere. Driving a big truck without a sound reason is a relatively minor transgression – at least it’s no more stupid that for a dweller of a large metropolis (and by all means not a “redneck”) to own a 600-hp Bugatti driven at most once a week and never taken to a track.

            Now, by comparison, the decision to refurbish “Admiral Kuznetsov” takes financial idiocy devoid of any practical value to an entirely new level.

            p.s. In more or less direct translation, my family name means “a rural man”. If it makes me a “redneck”, well, guilty as charged ;).

          3. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            SELEP!

          4. Avatar Alex George says:

            Yes, you don’t like it when friends of Ukraine upvote each other, do you?

            Always trying to promote dissension and argument between supporters of Ukraine – that has always been your game, and the reason why you have been booted off so many pro-Ukrainian blogs

          5. Avatar Vasyl P. says:

            True, we’re lucky when it comes road-wise. I guess I just mean off-roading, such as through gravel, mud and other things a typical car would have trouble in. I too think going above what your bank can handle is idiotic in itself; the refurbishing of Admiral Kuznetsov and the want to build the largest carrier are both great examples of that, while roads and living conditions in Russia deteriorate

            Well hey, rednecks know how to make the most out of life, even if it’s through unconventional means! Sometimes when I think I have redneck behaviors, that all gets crossed out when I go through Tennessee, Kentucky or rural areas especially in the south, but I’m still not like typical cityfolk myself

          6. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            You are a RUSSO-MONGOLIAN ***MOLE***

            You are NOT in the U.S. but in FILTHY RUSSIA!!!

            ATTENTION!!! — RUSKI ANIMAL **MOLE** INFILTRATOR & TRUMP SUPPORTER!!!

            “Vasyl P.” — Ruski *MOLE* — A LIAR !!
            — Another RUSSO-MONGOLIAN “TRUMP SUPPORTER” :)))

            HE IS A RUSKI **MOLE** & “moderator” of a RUSKI MOLE-TROLL SITE — with SPUTNIK & VARIOUS OTHER RUSKI COMMIE ARTICLES @ VARIOUS “DISQUS CHANNELS” like:

            __UKRAINE TODAY USA__
            (ABOVE NOW CHANGED TO: “UKRAINE TODAY” — to make it appear as the former & REAL “Ukraine Today” news station from Ukraine – now ceased operating, which provided REAL news as opposed to PLAGIARIZING from other news groups & “slipping in” Russo-mongolian COMMIE NEWS from RUSSIA TODAY & SPUTNIK (besides operating and infiltrating from dirty Russia, NOT UKRAINE).

            Other Russo-mongolian controlled “Disqus Channel” Communist Front sites are:

            __THE PRESIDENT TRUMP CHANNEL__ (of course! 🙂

            __IMPERIAL NEWS NETWORK__ (should be called Russo-mongolian IMPERIALIST News Network)

            __Conservative News Views__ (should be COMMIE News Views)

            etc.. BS “Disqus Channels”

            (FREE!! CHEAP!!! So the Russo-mongolian communists use this!!!)

            LYING RUSSO-MONGOLIAN “Vasyl P.” CLAIMS ON HIS DISQUS PAGE (when not hiding it the way most Ruski Trolls & Moles do:

            https://disqus.com/by/Vapetrenko/
            Right-wing freedom fighter; pro-democracy, anti-corruption, anti-feminazis, anti-fascist, Russian, Ukrainian, American
            ————————–

            Has claimed to be Ukrainian AND American — IS NEITHER!!

            SPOKE RUSKI AT ME — Thinking I would (or should?!?!) understand that NASTY, U-G-L-E-E DOG BARK & GROWL LANGUAGE.

            One gang member:
            “Larissa” (now “♥ L ♥”) — a “MODERATOR” MOLE/TROLL & the OTHER SCUM — will ALL tell you how “Larissa” —

            Was “shelled” by artillery in Ukraine and: “LOST HER ONLY CHILD IN DONBAS!!!!”

            A-A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-eeeeeee!!!!! FEEL FOR ME!!!
            Nasty lying Ruski slüt! :)))

            Another RUSKI SKANK ‘HO — whined about being “I WAS RAPED” !!!!
            – as announced per her Disqus home page no less!!!! :))
            — she deleted it after I repeatedly posted & laughed at her DUM RUSKI LOW CLASS THRASH @SS for that:

            PITY POOR HER! A-A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-eeeeeee!!!

            HA! Is the Ruski BS “most high cleverness & is the foolink you!!!” :))

            They try to play on the White Man’s sympathy! They do that BS!
            NEVER TRUST THOSE RUSSIAN PIGS — They just about all have AIDS! They are DIRTY! They might pass it on to you via a modem and their lying postings.

            .. besides their being stupid & sneaky POS, the “women” have …. “odor issues” because they don’t know how to keep themselves ( & ‘it”) clean. Very serious about that! — Don’t go into a Russian elevator in summer! Ruski female “habits”.

            — A VERY DIRTY & BRUTAL BUNCH — ALWAYS!!!

          7. Avatar Vasyl P. says:

            Funny, I am in the US. Don’t assume you know everything, Andrew, you only make yourself look like a fool.

          8. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            WHEN did you DEFECT?

          9. Avatar Vasyl P. says:

            2001.

          10. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            You have LIED before, you lie now.

            Go back to your other accounts now, & make “support Ukraine” noises,
            along with “Alex George/MichaelA”.

            I am not impressed, as you are lying scum.
            Have a nice day ….. night actually where you are.

          11. Avatar Vasyl P. says:

            Calling me a liar does not change the truth, I know more about me than you do, don’t play God because you aren’t even close 😀

          12. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            “Calling me a liar does not change the truth, I know more about me than you do, don’t play God because you aren’t even close :D”

            you said NOTHING! Mere truisms.
            Evidently you “use” such a lot … when not ACTIVELY lying.
            Mental midget!

            You must be bored!
            How is poor “larissa” ?
            She still MOURNING over her dead baby? :)))

          13. Avatar Vasyl P. says:

            Blah blah, that’s all I read from you:D

          14. Avatar Alex George says:

            Wow, you really are a low-life. The person “Larissa” to whom you refer, is a Ukrainian who lost her baby during the Russian occupation of Donbass. You appear to take a very Russian glee in vilifying her – because she runs a strongly pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian blog.

          15. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            Funny than ….. how on that “Disqus BS CHANNEL” — that “Susannah” claimed that “Crimea is really Russian” — AND REFUSED TO ANSWER slavko’s REPEATED questioning her about that remark. :)))

            Posted a supposed photo of herself — that was an OBVIOUSLY STUDIO PHOTO.

            Probably fat & Russo-mongolian looking …. I see you are also up-voting yourself with your “MichaelA” account :)))

          16. Avatar Alex George says:

            Wow, you really are angry with that channel, aren’t you.

            And you are even more angry that so many people from here (genuine friends of Ukraine) also post on UA Today – fortranz, focusser, redsquaremaidan, zorbatheturk, rgb, gmab, scradje, slavko, michaela, brent, vasyl, artem, tin can, and many more. But not you, because you have been banned from there. Just as you were banned from the original UA Today, and many other pro-Ukrainian blogs.

            No, I am not Michaela, but you are andrew chmileswsky, andrew chimlewsky, andrew chimelwsky, and probably several of our resident Putin troll accounts as well.

          17. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            The only thing you can put here is accusatory bs and insults.
            China carving up Russia?..
            How do you know this? You friends with the communist party there? Nonsense.
            I answered murf.
            And spoke the truth. An occupation by any other name, is still an occupation.
            What will the media say next? What that Macedonians are the evil people now as well, when yesterday they were allies?
            Look at Ukraine, those Russian speaking people are still Ukrainians buddy.
            Great help they have received from the US, the place is flourishing.
            Oh and if it’s not, it will surely tomorrow. The Russians have to go.
            No not the Russian people of course, no, Putin has to go. He runs that big country all by himself, he ran over my neighbors cat while dictating in Siberia. He is the only one we have a problem with. Not the Russian people.
            Nonsense mate, utter bs.
            Do you not see how ridiculous you sound.

          18. Avatar Alex George says:

            No, actually I see how ridiculous you sound. Your rant makes no sense at all.

            Work out what you are trying to say, then come back and attempt a rational conversation.

          19. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Russian speaking Ukrainians against Putin?
            Sure buddy sure….
            Except there is a civil war going on.
            Sorry if somethings garbled to you….but i guess your young.
            China carving up Russia…lol

          20. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            You guys can only agree on your hatred that you have in common it seems.
            Ha

          21. Avatar Alex George says:

            Of course I don’t agree with Andrew – he is a Putin troll who poses as a Ukrainian

            Why do you care anyway?

          22. Avatar Den Lovric says:

            Mate, you’re such a little racist trolling scumbag, it’s actually hard to fathom. Lol
            Who’s ok to you? Russians are fucked, so are polaks, Germany is backwards etc…
            Good luck to you, moron…lol

          23. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            Give me your phone # through “messenger” in my FB account.

            I, unlike YOU — do not hide my FB account…. Nor my posting profile as YOU do rather frequently. LYING ***MOLE***

          24. Avatar Alex George says:

            Why are you soliciting people’s phone numbers on this site?

            So you can threaten them?

          25. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            You are NOT in the U.S. —- RUSKI ***MOLE*** scumbag & LYING STUKACH!!!

            Just like your Ruski family ALWAYS WERE ….. COMMIES!!!

          26. Avatar Vasyl P. says:

            Give me proof I’m not in the USA, or do you just accuse without proof?

          27. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            ATTENTION!!! — RUSKI ANIMAL **MOLE** INFILTRATOR & TRUMP SUPPORTER!!!

            “Vasyl P.” — Ruski MOLE. — LIAR!!

            — A “TRUMP SUPPORTER” :)))

            HE IS A RUSKI **MOLE** & “moderator” of a RUSKI MOLE-TROLL SITE — with SPUTNIK & VARIOUS

            OTHER RUSKI COMMIE ARTICLES @ VARIOUS “DISQUS CHANNELS” like:

            __UKRAINE TODAY USA__

            __THE PRESIDENT TRUMP CHANNEL__

            __IMPERIAL NEWS NETWORK__ etc.. BS “Disqus Channels”

            (FREE!! CHEAP!!!)

            CLAIMS ON HIS DISQUS PAGE
            https://disqus.com/by/Vapetrenko/
            ———————-
            Right-wing freedom fighter; pro-democracy, anti-corruption, anti-feminazis, anti-fascist,

            Russian, Ukrainian, American

            ————————–

            Has claimed in the past to be Ukrainian & American.

            IS NEITHER!!

            SPOKE RUSKI AT ME — Thinking I would (or should?!?!) understand that DOG BARK & GROWL

            LANGUAGE 🙂

            “Larissa” a “MODERATOR” MOLE/TROLL & the OTHER SCUM — will ALL tell you how “Larissa” —

            “LOST HER ONLY CHILD IN DONBAS!!!!”

            A-A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-eeeeeee!!!!! 🙂

            Another RUSKI SKANK — whined about being “RAPED”!!! as per her Disqus home page no less!!!! :))

            — she deleted it after I repeatedly posted & laughed at her DUM RUSKI @SS!!! :))

            The STUPID RUSKA ‘HO !!! :)))

          28. Avatar Alex George says:

            And here is Andrew again, still attacking friends of Ukraine, and still angry that he was booted from UA Today USA, along with many other pro-Ukrainian sites, once they realised his real game – he seeks to promote arguments between supporters of Ukraine wherever he goes.

            “SPOKE RUSKI AT ME — Thinking I would (or should?!?!) understand that DOG BARK & GROWL”

            Funny – because several people on this site and on the original UA Today have written in Ukrainian to you – and you obviously don’t understand a word, even though you often claim to be Ukrainian and to live in Ukraine.

          29. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            “Funny – because several people on this site and on the original UA Today
            have written in Ukrainian to you – and you obviously don’t understand a
            word, even though you often claim to be Ukrainian and to live in
            Ukraine.”

            You lied again, stupid faqqot! 🙂

          30. Avatar Alex George says:

            Nope, not a lie, the simple truth.

    3. Avatar Tchitcherine says:

      I think th ends-means relationship here is different: Russia kept the naval base in Sevastopol after the Break-Up of the Soviet Union only so it could credibly (to some) explain why it had 6000 soldiers on Ukrainian territory. Soldiers that all that time were to be used if the Kremlin one day would decide to annex Crimea, which, as we all know, had been planned, as a scenario at least, since the nineties.

      1. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

        Exactly right!

        People forget that.

    4. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

      A small note though…..

      Nuclear battlecruiser Admiral Nakhimov to enter service with Russian Navy in 3-4 years
      http://www.uawire.org/news/nuclear-battlecruiser-admiral-nakhimov-to-be-part-of-navy-within-3-4-years

      1. Avatar Murf says:

        I hope their Battle Cruisers are more reliable than “Old Smokey” other wise I pity the poor crewmen.

        1. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

          They probably bought over — “for a small fee” some Ukie naval architects.

          Do you recall reading what Oknemfrod wrote about it? — the Admiral Kuznetzov?
          After the Ruski lost a couple planes (that are KNOWN about) — The Ruski blamed “the Ukrainian cable”.

          As Oknemfrod put it — you maintain & test such & CHANGE it …. Sov. Union collapsed awhile ago ya’ know … 🙂

          (Ruski ALWAYS were PIGS anyway!)

          During the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Ruski were in such a hurry to steal it (as they also ordered as well ALL BOMBERS, FIGHTERS etc. to fly to Russia)– the Admiral Kuznetzov, was STOLEN WITHOUT THE TECH spec. INFO, WITHOUT SEA TRIALS, WITHOUT THE DESIGN ENGINEERS, TRAINED & *EXPERIENCED* TEACHER/INSTRUCTOR PILOTS FOR IT, MAINTENANCE TECH INFO & GEAR ….. the *MANUALS* & maintenance types.

          GRABBED & RAN:
          Rather like a shop lifter or purse snatcher on the run :)))

          Probably Ukes were running after them saying: “STOP THIEF!!! STOP THIEF!” :))

          Kind of funny really …. Some interesting info on it.
          It was INTERESTING when you read about it! Really!
          Ukes sold a version of it to China —- WITH THE SPECS & PRINTS & ALL! 😉
          But … the Chinks were BUYING! — NOT STEALING! 😉

          Whatever they originally got (who knows?) they made it — “theirs” :)))

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuznetsov-class_aircraft_carrier

          1. Avatar Den Lovric says:

            Sure buddy, we believe you.
            Cause you know stuff, right?
            I can’t take racist bigots seriously, I don’t know about the rest.
            But you fuckwits would be hilarious, if you weren’t such bad human beings.
            Whoa, hold on, calling you a human being is a BIG stretch.

          2. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            “stretch” yo’ ***SERBIAN*** mama, you mental case on PSYCH DRUGS!

            Get a job yet? :)))

            ***SERBIAN*** :))))

          3. Avatar Den Lovric says:

            Hahaha
            Thanks for the racist rant buddy.
            Nice Freudian slip ups too. Lol
            Let it out buddy if it helps.
            Ps. I’m not Serbian, hahaha

          4. Avatar Den Lovric says:

            What’s the job reference to?
            You do understand that the guy has to get to what you’re insinuating, or you’re just ranting.
            Lol

          5. Avatar Murf says:

            Another interesting thing is that Old Smoky is going in for refurbishment. The carrier they sold to India took 10 years and twice as much money to accomplish. Even then the only reason they completed the job is that the Indians too them to court because the ship yard was going to try and raise the price.

          6. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            Did you read (it’s even in sh*tty wiki) that they used a Ruska ‘ho to seduce the Indian Naval officer to agree with the ship purchase?

            A light skinned, light eyed Ruska.
            Nasty Hindus love that stuff. 🙂

          7. Avatar Murf says:

            Well they are the best prostitutes in the world according to Vlad the Shirtless.
            Who am I to argue with him on that.
            “A light skinned, light eyed Ruska.
            Nasty Hindus love that stuff.”
            Now Andrew that is not vary nice.
            I mean it’s probably true, but is not nice.

          8. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

            Saw a photo of her. She easily could have been a Uke.
            Indian Navy didn’t kick the fool out … but put him in some unpleasant place doing BS..

            http://i.imgur.com/zljnJJv.jpg

        2. Avatar Mick Servian says:

          “Old smokey”….yet do you know why?

          1. Avatar Murf says:

            I have read several theories. Pis poor maintainance in general.
            Do you have any insight?

          2. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Yeah mate…That’s what it is…lol

      2. Avatar Den Lovric says:

        Oh you hate Serbians too…lol
        Are you actually revisiting what you write? Hahaha
        You’re ranting

      3. Avatar Alex George says:

        Ah yes, typical Andrew – praising Russia’s strength, and attacking those who support Ukraine.

        And still angry that he was booted from UA Today USA – smart thinking by the Ukrainian patriots there, who can recognise a Moscow troll when they see one.

        1. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

          I have also “wondered” about “Dagwood Bumstead” for sometime as well.

          He is obviously much more knowledgeable & intelligent than you are.
          Far more subtle.

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            What is the relevance of what you “wondered” about? The thoughts of Putin trolls are irrelevant.

    5. Avatar Ihor Dawydiak says:

      A recent report coming out of Muscovy stated that the Russian Navy will begin building the mother of all nuclear powered aircraft carriers which should be slated for completion in 2030. Pffft. Perhaps they meant a Potemkin village that could float on water.

      1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

        They just lost a spy ship due to a collision off the Bosporus:

        http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/marineschiff-aus-russland-ist-vor-der-tuerkei-gesunken-14990353.html

        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39734998

        I don’t know how deep the water is at the wreck site but it might be worth having a looksee at the wreck. It might be possible to salvage some useful stuff. Dwarfstan may not have the capability to reach the wreck, but the west may.

      2. Avatar Styx says:

        Keep dreaming the only dream you ever had.

    6. Avatar Den Lovric says:

      Mate have they done a brilliant job on you.
      If you even remotely believe half of the bs you just wrote. My cap of to you.
      Only thing I’d like to know is, are you getting paid for this?
      Cause if not, I feel for you.

      1. Avatar Murf says:

        Well “Mick” prove me wrong.
        Did the Russian NOT say they couldn’t afford a Blue navy?
        What is the point of Sevastopol if not a forward base?
        One of the first things Putin did after going into Syria was get a 50 year lease and spent most of the first months pushing the FSA further into the Tarsus mountains and stopped as soon as they were a safe distance away. even before they started pushing out from Aleppo.
        Seems to indicate their priorities.
        They are currently developing ties with a Libyan General for basing facilities.
        What does that tell you, oh insightful one?
        But IF you respond , do me a favor and don’t use a bunch a tired old internet slogans.I have spent years shooting them down and it bores me.
        Give me something worth reading. Real facts. Real insight
        Can you do that for me?

        1. Avatar Mick Servian says:

          Mate I can’t prove anything. I don’t know the people in those corridors.
          But saying that. Military doctrine is varied and constantly fluid.
          Sevastopol is part forward base, part defensive bastion.
          Russia doesn’t have the cash or inclination for fancy gadgets like floating military bases. You, I imagine understand what the primary uses of one might be, and for what ends you need them for.
          Solid ground is still solid ground. Hence priorities will always be assigned to it.
          It’s a matter of where your strengths and weaknesses lie. Both American and Russian.

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            No you can’t prove anything, because your assertions have been rubbish. As soon as you are challenged you run like a rabbit.

            Learn to support your propositions with facts or reasoning.

            The truth is that Putin foolishly embarked on foreign adventures which Russia could not afford. He is showing himself up to be the most incompetent leader Russia has ever had.

        2. Avatar Mick Servian says:

          Just like the US annexed Kosovo for a base. So Russia took Crimea. Those territories will never be returned.

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            There is no US base in Kosovo, nor was it ever annexed by the US. You really are ignorant.

          2. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            There is NO us base in Kosovo??
            Really, the only one deluding themselves is you

          3. Avatar Murf says:

            Which might be a good point except we didn’t annex Kosovo.
            Camp Bond Steel exists for one reason and reason alone; keep the Serbs out.
            It has ZERO value beyond that.

          4. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            You have to be kidding right. No value?
            Mate the whole demonisation of the Serbs, is getting stale. I have personally witnessed outright lies being used against Serbians, which had no basis in reality.
            I am not against the US, but against the elites. Albright has major economic benefits there, established after the invasion. It is Serbian land, always has been. Commie reeducation doesn’t change that fact.
            International laws were broken. And where actual genocide took place at the same time, Rwanda, that somehow didn’t warrant any intervention. I wonder why?
            One only has to look at what’s going on in Macedonia, to realise what’s happening there.
            To be frank, I’m sick of the western narrative that the area is unimportant, when in actuality empirical evidence throughout history, has told us another story.
            Go look up all sides there and read some local theories.
            The Balkans are a perfect microcosm of politics, administered everywhere in the world.

          5. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            Oh and sorry for ignoring your invitations. Had a lot on my plate this week. Not enough time.
            Hopefully next week.

        3. Avatar Mick Servian says:

          And one last thing.
          They have China for that.
          They are building boats at an incredible pace.
          If war ever came to Russia instigated directly or indirectly. Do you really believe China would stand idly by? Knowing the US’s track record.
          On empirical evidence alone, they would have to act.
          A partnership with the US, would require equality on many fields, and they are not. Only an idiot would think they are equals.

          1. Avatar Alex George says:

            What do you mean “one last thing”? You didn’t come up with a first thing. Murf put his points to you one by one and invited you to refute them – and you couldn’t.

            And then on top of that you make the absurd suggestion that China is building naval vessels for Russia!

            “Do you really believe China would stand idly by?”

            Of course not. China is already in process of carving out the bits of Russia that it wants, and it would be more than happy to complete the job.

          2. Avatar Murf says:

            China’s economy is built on trade exports mainly to the US. Do you think China is going to war with the US and have trade dry up?
            The US and China may go to war one day.
            But it will be at the time and place of China’s choosing when they are sure they can win.
            Not when some drunk Russian suffering from testosterone poising decides for them.

          3. Avatar Mick Servian says:

            You can’t decide when war comes knocking. Doesn’t work like that.
            No it will be at a time when the US chooses.
            Besides this so called drunk Russian took his country out of a crisis. I don’t know, what’s it going to be? Calculated KGB agent, or crazy drunk goose?
            When the media in the west lies and embellishes stuff.
            Even stuff I have seen with my own eyes. It makes you question some fundamental things.
            As it stands if the US doesn’t start a war, they will be surpassed in 50-100 years. That’s the direct result of policy being made by people unworthy to do so. America has gone from being an admired nation, to one being despised by everyone except for people directly benefiting. Or from people mostly in radical groups and nations that receive support to cause disruptions in whatever region they are from. The people making those retarded policies are responsible.
            And another thing, getting the populace to agree to go to war against an equal, will be difficult.

        4. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

          you KNOW that ***SERBIAN*** mental case can’t do that Murf.

  3. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

    I will be glad when they can no longer afford an army.

  4. Avatar Alex George says:

    It’s more than even the money. Russia lost the ability to get large naval turbine engines when it attacked Ukraine. Most of its large naval units can no longer function.

    1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

      Several ships which were under construction were sold to India because Dwarfstan can’t obtain the gas turbines and reduction gearing from the Ukrainians any longer and don’t have the capability to build them themselves. Ditto for the diesel engines which were ordered in Germany but are embargoed. And guess what- India will be buying the turbines and gearing from Kyiv, so the Ukrainians don’t lose any money. Germany will no doubt supply the diesels to India now so they don’t lose either.
      It would be interesting to know who made the steam turbines for Dwarfstan’s nuclear subs. If they are Ukrainian-made as well Dwarfstan will have another problem. Pedo Putolini boasted that the sanctions wouldn’t harm Dwarfstan and that the country would quickly develop its own substitutes, but given the state of Dwarfstan’s industry and lack of cash (the Reserve Fund is running on fumes and only the Welfare Fund left to plunder) it would seem that the dwarf spoke too soon.

    2. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

      “Alex George” (AKA “MichaelA”) is a Ruski **MOLE** like “Vasyl P.” etc…

      Also they have violated the UKRAINE TODAY name by changing their BS “Disqus Channel” name from “Ukraine Today USA” to “Ukraine Today” ….
      & besmirching A REAL NEWS SITE by PLAGIARIZING ARTICLES & putting in
      __Russia Today__ & __SPUTNIK__ Russo-mongolian commie articles to fool normal people.

      The RUSKI & SERBIAN **moles** claim it’s “just for laughs” or “for balance”. That will most certainly “fool” white people!!! :)))

      STUPID @SSHOLES !!! —- are they not? 😉

      1. Avatar Alex George says:

        Ah yes, Andrew the Putin troll turns up on schedule – he is always happy to attack those who love Ukraine, yet he rarely writes anything positive about Ukraine himself.

        I write about Russia’s weakness and its foolishness in attacking Ukraine, and Andrew turns up to attack me – so predictable.

    3. Avatar veth says:

      The great superpower Russia can not make engines? hahahaah, even North Korea can……..hahahahaha

      1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

        Engines for Ladas, Kamaz trucks and T-80s are one thing, but developing a large marine diesel and putting it into production another, certainly within a limited timeframe. Ditto for marine gas turbines and reduction gearing. Money running out doesn’t help.

        It all makes waging war on your major supplier of gas turbines etc even more stupid.

        1. Avatar veth says:

          Russians know only how to invade and to destroy……………..to build that’s an problem.

  5. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

    >Russia is no longer planning to field a fleet as powerful as the American one<

    So, they have been planning such a feat, really? A curious plan – akin for Putler to be planning to outrun Bolt and knock out Klitschko.

    1. Avatar zorbatheturk says:

      Building 10 carriers would bankrupt them in 10 minutes.

      1. Avatar Oknemfrod says:

        True. That is why they’re lucky that they aren’t capable of building one.

        1. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

          They CAN build large submarines though …. like the Kursk.
          U.S. Navy lost a few subs too…

  6. Avatar Brent says:

    Yeah right!!! China is in the process of launching its 2nd aircraft carrier, Egypt bought the “Mistral” France originally built for Russia and even North Korea is building more subs.

    Russia just needs more tugboats…..

    1. Avatar Dagwood Bumstead says:

      But can Dwarfstan actually AFFORD more tugboats????

  7. Avatar Den Lovric says:

    It’s nice hatred brings so many people together. It’s such a wonderful thing. Imagine all the things you can accomplish. Lol

    1. Avatar Alex George says:

      That is true – Putin supporters are united by hatred. Just look at how much they have failed to accomplish as a result. Lol

      1. Avatar Mick Servian says:

        I don’t know about that. The only hatred I see here is from the other side.
        You even have to distance yourself from Andrew chmile girl, cause he’s going overboard on his fascist rankings.

        1. Avatar Alex George says:

          Then you don’t read much on here.

          As for Andrew Chmile, I don’t worry about him. He pretends to be a Ukrainian and to support Ukraine, but he’s a Putin troll. He has been banned from numerous pro-Ukraine sites before he came here and most people have worked him out

  8. Avatar Andrew Chmile says:

    Ah! :)))
    Yo’ so “cleverly” —- “talked” — your way AROUND everything here…..
    “fool” anyone you monhol? 😉

    **NOT** !!!
    — monhol pider & STUKACH!!!! — like yo’ family very likely…
    Just like all Ruski… a SLAVE people.