Russia can no longer afford a blue water navy, defense minister suggests

Putin at the Russian Navy Day celebrations in St. Petersburg, Russia on July 31, 2016 (Image: kremlin.ru)

Putin at the Russian Navy Day celebrations in St. Petersburg, Russia on July 31, 2016 (Image: kremlin.ru) 

Analysis & Opinion, Military analysis, Russia

Sergey Shoygu, Russia’s defense minister, says that Moscow will still build submarines – a giant one was launched this week – and will recondition its only aircraft carrier – despite rising costs – but will build frigates rather than larger ships, acknowledging that Moscow can no longer afford large surface ships for a blue water navy.

In reporting Shoygu’s assertion that the Russia’s main task is to attack coastal targets, Vzglyad journalist Andrey Rezchikov says that according to experts with whom he spoke, the minister’s words mean that “Russia can no longer permit itself an oceanic fleet” consisting of large surface vessels as in Soviet times.

Military journalist Sergey Sochevanov, who edits the Flot.com portal, says that what Russia is doing is consistent with what many countries are as far as their navies are concerned, relying on smaller ships to do what they had assumed only large ones could do. And that Moscow will still send out these smaller ships into the distant seas.

But Konstantin Sivkov, the first vice president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, takes a more jaundiced view. He says that Shoygu’s statement means that Russia is no longer planning to field a fleet as powerful as the American one and instead is focusing on coastal defense and those tasks that smaller ships can perform.

“The possibilities of the Russian navy are significantly more modest than the oceanic fleet which was constructed in the time of the USSR, and the defense minister in essence has confirmed this,” he says. And the minister’s words mean that Moscow will have to rely more on aviation and on submarines.

But Sivkov leaves no doubt as to why this decision was taken: Moscow hasn’t taken it because its strategy has changed but because it lacks the money to do otherwise. In sum, its strategy is being dictated by the lack of money to do otherwise, not the best way, he implied, to decide how to defend the country.


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  • Mykola Potytorsky

    Ha ha ha to Russia. What about that super carrier Russia has been yelling about that they will build. Ha ha ha

  • Murf

    Oh my GOD!
    I laughed so hard I nearly puked!
    What the Fu*K was this all about?
    Seizing Sevastopol as a forward base for their jumped up PT Boat fleet.
    Slaughtering Syrians like flies for a port in the Eastern Med.
    And now they can’t even afford a blue water navy!
    Oh the irony is almost painful.

    • Alex George

      Nailed it, Murf.

      So ironic that the main reason they went into Crimea will soon be irrelevant.

      • Dagwood Bumstead

        Which makes one wonder why they are even bothering with an overhaul of the “Kuznetsov”. What’s the point of having an aircraft carrier of extremely limited capabilities (nowhere near those of a US carrier) when you don’t even have ships which can accompany her on long-range missions properly?
        Best would be to decommission and scrap or sell the “Kuznetsov” and use the rubbles for something worthwhile and affordable, but she will probably be retained for prestige reasons. Oh well, they’re not MY rubbles.
        One could even start to question whether Dwarfstan can continue building nuclear subs if they’re so short of cash.

        • Murf

          Yeah it does seem a bit on the pointless side.
          But its a macho for Vlad the Shirtless.
          At least Ukraine had sense enough to give up in their hunk of junk cruiser.

        • Alex George

          A very good question and the answer illustrates a fundamental truth about Putin’s regime – its all show. They must have an aircraft carrier that sails. It might be very inefficient, useless even, but they must have one because it promotes the illusion that Russia is a great power.

    • Dagwood Bumstead

      One could also ask “why does Dwarfstan want bases in Cuba and Vietnam again” as the country can’t afford them.

      • Murf

        Same reason Rednecks LOOOVE big trucks.
        Penial extension.

        • Oknemfrod

          Ah, but there’s a difference: Many a redneck have actual need for them, use them for work, and maintain them in a driving condition.

          • Vasyl P.

            Indeed. A small little truck will have a hard time driving through mud on unkempt country roads.

          • Oknemfrod

            I haven’t seen many unkempt country roads, at least not in the states I’ve lived in for a more or less extended periods of time (e.g., PA, NC, and especially FL). But the people who need to go somewhere in the wild – like those folks on the “Swamp People” show, for example – really need an off-read capable vehicle. Add to those scads of blue-collar small businessmen who need full-size trucks just to be able to haul their stuff, etc.

            Surely, Murf is right in that there’re also lots of people who drive full-size trucks and SUVs needlessly, sort of like a status symbol or for whatever other equally inane idea that may have struck their fancies. And not all of those are necessarily “rednecks”, all the more that what the term actually encompasses is quite murky.

            People do financially asinine things all the time and everywhere. Driving a big truck without a sound reason is a relatively minor transgression – at least it’s no more stupid that for a dweller of a large metropolis (and by all means not a “redneck”) to own a 600-hp Bugatti driven at most once a week and never taken to a track.

            Now, by comparison, the decision to refurbish “Admiral Kuznetsov” takes financial idiocy devoid of any practical value to an entirely new level.

            p.s. In more or less direct translation, my family name means “a rural man”. If it makes me a “redneck”, well, guilty as charged ;).

          • Andrew Chmile

            SELEP!

          • Alex George

            Yes, you don’t like it when friends of Ukraine upvote each other, do you?

            Always trying to promote dissension and argument between supporters of Ukraine – that has always been your game, and the reason why you have been booted off so many pro-Ukrainian blogs

          • Vasyl P.

            True, we’re lucky when it comes road-wise. I guess I just mean off-roading, such as through gravel, mud and other things a typical car would have trouble in. I too think going above what your bank can handle is idiotic in itself; the refurbishing of Admiral Kuznetsov and the want to build the largest carrier are both great examples of that, while roads and living conditions in Russia deteriorate

            Well hey, rednecks know how to make the most out of life, even if it’s through unconventional means! Sometimes when I think I have redneck behaviors, that all gets crossed out when I go through Tennessee, Kentucky or rural areas especially in the south, but I’m still not like typical cityfolk myself

          • Andrew Chmile

            You are a RUSSO-MONGOLIAN ***MOLE***

            You are NOT in the U.S. but in FILTHY RUSSIA!!!

            ATTENTION!!! — RUSKI ANIMAL **MOLE** INFILTRATOR & TRUMP SUPPORTER!!!

            “Vasyl P.” — Ruski *MOLE* — A LIAR !!
            — Another RUSSO-MONGOLIAN “TRUMP SUPPORTER” :)))

            HE IS A RUSKI **MOLE** & “moderator” of a RUSKI MOLE-TROLL SITE — with SPUTNIK & VARIOUS OTHER RUSKI COMMIE ARTICLES @ VARIOUS “DISQUS CHANNELS” like:

            __UKRAINE TODAY USA__
            (ABOVE NOW CHANGED TO: “UKRAINE TODAY” — to make it appear as the former & REAL “Ukraine Today” news station from Ukraine – now ceased operating, which provided REAL news as opposed to PLAGIARIZING from other news groups & “slipping in” Russo-mongolian COMMIE NEWS from RUSSIA TODAY & SPUTNIK (besides operating and infiltrating from dirty Russia, NOT UKRAINE).

            Other Russo-mongolian controlled “Disqus Channel” Communist Front sites are:

            __THE PRESIDENT TRUMP CHANNEL__ (of course! :)

            __IMPERIAL NEWS NETWORK__ (should be called Russo-mongolian IMPERIALIST News Network)

            __Conservative News Views__ (should be COMMIE News Views)

            etc.. BS “Disqus Channels”

            (FREE!! CHEAP!!! So the Russo-mongolian communists use this!!!)

            LYING RUSSO-MONGOLIAN “Vasyl P.” CLAIMS ON HIS DISQUS PAGE (when not hiding it the way most Ruski Trolls & Moles do:

            https://disqus.com/by/Vapetrenko/
            Right-wing freedom fighter; pro-democracy, anti-corruption, anti-feminazis, anti-fascist, Russian, Ukrainian, American
            ————————–

            Has claimed to be Ukrainian AND American — IS NEITHER!!

            SPOKE RUSKI AT ME — Thinking I would (or should?!?!) understand that NASTY, U-G-L-E-E DOG BARK & GROWL LANGUAGE.

            One gang member:
            “Larissa” (now “♥ L ♥”) — a “MODERATOR” MOLE/TROLL & the OTHER SCUM — will ALL tell you how “Larissa” —

            Was “shelled” by artillery in Ukraine and: “LOST HER ONLY CHILD IN DONBAS!!!!”

            A-A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-eeeeeee!!!!! FEEL FOR ME!!!
            Nasty lying Ruski slüt! :)))

            Another RUSKI SKANK ‘HO — whined about being “I WAS RAPED” !!!!
            – as announced per her Disqus home page no less!!!! :))
            — she deleted it after I repeatedly posted & laughed at her DUM RUSKI LOW CLASS THRASH @SS for that:

            PITY POOR HER! A-A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-eeeeeee!!!

            HA! Is the Ruski BS “most high cleverness & is the foolink you!!!” :))

            They try to play on the White Man’s sympathy! They do that BS!
            NEVER TRUST THOSE RUSSIAN PIGS — They just about all have AIDS! They are DIRTY! They might pass it on to you via a modem and their lying postings.

            .. besides their being stupid & sneaky POS, the “women” have …. “odor issues” because they don’t know how to keep themselves ( & ‘it”) clean. Very serious about that! — Don’t go into a Russian elevator in summer! Ruski female “habits”.

            — A VERY DIRTY & BRUTAL BUNCH — ALWAYS!!!

          • Vasyl P.

            Funny, I am in the US. Don’t assume you know everything, Andrew, you only make yourself look like a fool.

          • Andrew Chmile

            WHEN did you DEFECT?

          • Vasyl P.

            2001.

          • Andrew Chmile

            You have LIED before, you lie now.

            Go back to your other accounts now, & make “support Ukraine” noises,
            along with “Alex George/MichaelA”.

            I am not impressed, as you are lying scum.
            Have a nice day ….. night actually where you are.

          • Vasyl P.

            Calling me a liar does not change the truth, I know more about me than you do, don’t play God because you aren’t even close 😀

          • Andrew Chmile

            “Calling me a liar does not change the truth, I know more about me than you do, don’t play God because you aren’t even close :D”

            you said NOTHING! Mere truisms.
            Evidently you “use” such a lot … when not ACTIVELY lying.
            Mental midget!

            You must be bored!
            How is poor “larissa” ?
            She still MOURNING over her dead baby? :)))

          • Vasyl P.

            Blah blah, that’s all I read from you:D

          • Alex George

            Wow, you really are a low-life. The person “Larissa” to whom you refer, is a Ukrainian who lost her baby during the Russian occupation of Donbass. You appear to take a very Russian glee in vilifying her – because she runs a strongly pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian blog.

          • Andrew Chmile

            Funny than ….. how on that “Disqus BS CHANNEL” — that “Susannah” claimed that “Crimea is really Russian” — AND REFUSED TO ANSWER slavko’s REPEATED questioning her about that remark. :)))

            Posted a supposed photo of herself — that was an OBVIOUSLY STUDIO PHOTO.

            Probably fat & Russo-mongolian looking …. I see you are also up-voting yourself with your “MichaelA” account :)))

          • Alex George

            Wow, you really are angry with that channel, aren’t you.

            And you are even more angry that so many people from here (genuine friends of Ukraine) also post on UA Today – fortranz, focusser, redsquaremaidan, zorbatheturk, rgb, gmab, scradje, slavko, michaela, brent, vasyl, artem, tin can, and many more. But not you, because you have been banned from there. Just as you were banned from the original UA Today, and many other pro-Ukrainian blogs.

            No, I am not Michaela, but you are andrew chmileswsky, andrew chimlewsky, andrew chimelwsky, and probably several of our resident Putin troll accounts as well.

          • Mick Servian

            The only thing you can put here is accusatory bs and insults.
            China carving up Russia?..
            How do you know this? You friends with the communist party there? Nonsense.
            I answered murf.
            And spoke the truth. An occupation by any other name, is still an occupation.
            What will the media say next? What that Macedonians are the evil people now as well, when yesterday they were allies?
            Look at Ukraine, those Russian speaking people are still Ukrainians buddy.
            Great help they have received from the US, the place is flourishing.
            Oh and if it’s not, it will surely tomorrow. The Russians have to go.
            No not the Russian people of course, no, Putin has to go. He runs that big country all by himself, he ran over my neighbors cat while dictating in Siberia. He is the only one we have a problem with. Not the Russian people.
            Nonsense mate, utter bs.
            Do you not see how ridiculous you sound.

          • Alex George

            No, actually I see how ridiculous you sound. Your rant makes no sense at all.

            Work out what you are trying to say, then come back and attempt a rational conversation.

          • Mick Servian

            Russian speaking Ukrainians against Putin?
            Sure buddy sure….
            Except there is a civil war going on.
            Sorry if somethings garbled to you….but i guess your young.
            China carving up Russia…lol

          • Mick Servian

            You guys can only agree on your hatred that you have in common it seems.
            Ha

          • Alex George

            Of course I don’t agree with Andrew – he is a Putin troll who poses as a Ukrainian

            Why do you care anyway?

          • Den Lovric

            Mate, you’re such a little racist trolling scumbag, it’s actually hard to fathom. Lol
            Who’s ok to you? Russians are fucked, so are polaks, Germany is backwards etc…
            Good luck to you, moron…lol

          • Andrew Chmile

            Give me your phone # through “messenger” in my FB account.

            I, unlike YOU — do not hide my FB account…. Nor my posting profile as YOU do rather frequently. LYING ***MOLE***

          • Alex George

            Why are you soliciting people’s phone numbers on this site?

            So you can threaten them?

          • Andrew Chmile

            You are NOT in the U.S. —- RUSKI ***MOLE*** scumbag & LYING STUKACH!!!

            Just like your Ruski family ALWAYS WERE ….. COMMIES!!!

          • Vasyl P.

            Give me proof I’m not in the USA, or do you just accuse without proof?

          • Andrew Chmile

            ATTENTION!!! — RUSKI ANIMAL **MOLE** INFILTRATOR & TRUMP SUPPORTER!!!

            “Vasyl P.” — Ruski MOLE. — LIAR!!

            — A “TRUMP SUPPORTER” :)))

            HE IS A RUSKI **MOLE** & “moderator” of a RUSKI MOLE-TROLL SITE — with SPUTNIK & VARIOUS

            OTHER RUSKI COMMIE ARTICLES @ VARIOUS “DISQUS CHANNELS” like:

            __UKRAINE TODAY USA__

            __THE PRESIDENT TRUMP CHANNEL__

            __IMPERIAL NEWS NETWORK__ etc.. BS “Disqus Channels”

            (FREE!! CHEAP!!!)

            CLAIMS ON HIS DISQUS PAGE
            https://disqus.com/by/Vapetrenko/
            ———————-
            Right-wing freedom fighter; pro-democracy, anti-corruption, anti-feminazis, anti-fascist,

            Russian, Ukrainian, American

            ————————–

            Has claimed in the past to be Ukrainian & American.

            IS NEITHER!!

            SPOKE RUSKI AT ME — Thinking I would (or should?!?!) understand that DOG BARK & GROWL

            LANGUAGE :)

            “Larissa” a “MODERATOR” MOLE/TROLL & the OTHER SCUM — will ALL tell you how “Larissa” —

            “LOST HER ONLY CHILD IN DONBAS!!!!”

            A-A-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-E-E-E-eeeeeee!!!!! :)

            Another RUSKI SKANK — whined about being “RAPED”!!! as per her Disqus home page no less!!!! :))

            — she deleted it after I repeatedly posted & laughed at her DUM RUSKI @SS!!! :))

            The STUPID RUSKA ‘HO !!! :)))

          • Alex George

            And here is Andrew again, still attacking friends of Ukraine, and still angry that he was booted from UA Today USA, along with many other pro-Ukrainian sites, once they realised his real game – he seeks to promote arguments between supporters of Ukraine wherever he goes.

            “SPOKE RUSKI AT ME — Thinking I would (or should?!?!) understand that DOG BARK & GROWL”

            Funny – because several people on this site and on the original UA Today have written in Ukrainian to you – and you obviously don’t understand a word, even though you often claim to be Ukrainian and to live in Ukraine.

          • Andrew Chmile

            “Funny – because several people on this site and on the original UA Today
            have written in Ukrainian to you – and you obviously don’t understand a
            word, even though you often claim to be Ukrainian and to live in
            Ukraine.”

            You lied again, stupid faqqot! :)

          • Alex George

            Nope, not a lie, the simple truth.

    • Tchitcherine

      I think th ends-means relationship here is different: Russia kept the naval base in Sevastopol after the Break-Up of the Soviet Union only so it could credibly (to some) explain why it had 6000 soldiers on Ukrainian territory. Soldiers that all that time were to be used if the Kremlin one day would decide to annex Crimea, which, as we all know, had been planned, as a scenario at least, since the nineties.

      • Andrew Chmile

        Exactly right!

        People forget that.

    • Andrew Chmile

      A small note though…..

      Nuclear battlecruiser Admiral Nakhimov to enter service with Russian Navy in 3-4 years
      http://www.uawire.org/news/nuclear-battlecruiser-admiral-nakhimov-to-be-part-of-navy-within-3-4-years

      • Murf

        I hope their Battle Cruisers are more reliable than “Old Smokey” other wise I pity the poor crewmen.

        • Andrew Chmile

          They probably bought over — “for a small fee” some Ukie naval architects.

          Do you recall reading what Oknemfrod wrote about it? — the Admiral Kuznetzov?
          After the Ruski lost a couple planes (that are KNOWN about) — The Ruski blamed “the Ukrainian cable”.

          As Oknemfrod put it — you maintain & test such & CHANGE it …. Sov. Union collapsed awhile ago ya’ know … :)

          (Ruski ALWAYS were PIGS anyway!)

          During the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Ruski were in such a hurry to steal it (as they also ordered as well ALL BOMBERS, FIGHTERS etc. to fly to Russia)– the Admiral Kuznetzov, was STOLEN WITHOUT THE TECH spec. INFO, WITHOUT SEA TRIALS, WITHOUT THE DESIGN ENGINEERS, TRAINED & *EXPERIENCED* TEACHER/INSTRUCTOR PILOTS FOR IT, MAINTENANCE TECH INFO & GEAR ….. the *MANUALS* & maintenance types.

          GRABBED & RAN:
          Rather like a shop lifter or purse snatcher on the run :)))

          Probably Ukes were running after them saying: “STOP THIEF!!! STOP THIEF!” :))

          Kind of funny really …. Some interesting info on it.
          It was INTERESTING when you read about it! Really!
          Ukes sold a version of it to China —- WITH THE SPECS & PRINTS & ALL! 😉
          But … the Chinks were BUYING! — NOT STEALING! 😉

          Whatever they originally got (who knows?) they made it — “theirs” :)))

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuznetsov-class_aircraft_carrier

          • Den Lovric

            Sure buddy, we believe you.
            Cause you know stuff, right?
            I can’t take racist bigots seriously, I don’t know about the rest.
            But you fuckwits would be hilarious, if you weren’t such bad human beings.
            Whoa, hold on, calling you a human being is a BIG stretch.

          • Andrew Chmile

            “stretch” yo’ ***SERBIAN*** mama, you mental case on PSYCH DRUGS!

            Get a job yet? :)))

            ***SERBIAN*** :))))

          • Den Lovric

            Hahaha
            Thanks for the racist rant buddy.
            Nice Freudian slip ups too. Lol
            Let it out buddy if it helps.
            Ps. I’m not Serbian, hahaha

          • Den Lovric

            What’s the job reference to?
            You do understand that the guy has to get to what you’re insinuating, or you’re just ranting.
            Lol

          • Murf

            Another interesting thing is that Old Smoky is going in for refurbishment. The carrier they sold to India took 10 years and twice as much money to accomplish. Even then the only reason they completed the job is that the Indians too them to court because the ship yard was going to try and raise the price.

          • Andrew Chmile

            Did you read (it’s even in sh*tty wiki) that they used a Ruska ‘ho to seduce the Indian Naval officer to agree with the ship purchase?

            A light skinned, light eyed Ruska.
            Nasty Hindus love that stuff. :)

          • Murf

            Well they are the best prostitutes in the world according to Vlad the Shirtless.
            Who am I to argue with him on that.
            “A light skinned, light eyed Ruska.
            Nasty Hindus love that stuff.”
            Now Andrew that is not vary nice.
            I mean it’s probably true, but is not nice.

          • Andrew Chmile

            Saw a photo of her. She easily could have been a Uke.
            Indian Navy didn’t kick the fool out … but put him in some unpleasant place doing BS..

            http://i.imgur.com/zljnJJv.jpg

        • Mick Servian

          “Old smokey”….yet do you know why?

          • Murf

            I have read several theories. Pis poor maintainance in general.
            Do you have any insight?

          • Mick Servian

            Yeah mate…That’s what it is…lol

      • Den Lovric

        Oh you hate Serbians too…lol
        Are you actually revisiting what you write? Hahaha
        You’re ranting

      • Alex George

        Ah yes, typical Andrew – praising Russia’s strength, and attacking those who support Ukraine.

        And still angry that he was booted from UA Today USA – smart thinking by the Ukrainian patriots there, who can recognise a Moscow troll when they see one.

        • Andrew Chmile

          I have also “wondered” about “Dagwood Bumstead” for sometime as well.

          He is obviously much more knowledgeable & intelligent than you are.
          Far more subtle.

          • Alex George

            What is the relevance of what you “wondered” about? The thoughts of Putin trolls are irrelevant.

    • Ihor Dawydiak

      A recent report coming out of Muscovy stated that the Russian Navy will begin building the mother of all nuclear powered aircraft carriers which should be slated for completion in 2030. Pffft. Perhaps they meant a Potemkin village that could float on water.

    • Den Lovric

      Mate have they done a brilliant job on you.
      If you even remotely believe half of the bs you just wrote. My cap of to you.
      Only thing I’d like to know is, are you getting paid for this?
      Cause if not, I feel for you.

      • Murf

        Well “Mick” prove me wrong.
        Did the Russian NOT say they couldn’t afford a Blue navy?
        What is the point of Sevastopol if not a forward base?
        One of the first things Putin did after going into Syria was get a 50 year lease and spent most of the first months pushing the FSA further into the Tarsus mountains and stopped as soon as they were a safe distance away. even before they started pushing out from Aleppo.
        Seems to indicate their priorities.
        They are currently developing ties with a Libyan General for basing facilities.
        What does that tell you, oh insightful one?
        But IF you respond , do me a favor and don’t use a bunch a tired old internet slogans.I have spent years shooting them down and it bores me.
        Give me something worth reading. Real facts. Real insight
        Can you do that for me?

        • Mick Servian

          Mate I can’t prove anything. I don’t know the people in those corridors.
          But saying that. Military doctrine is varied and constantly fluid.
          Sevastopol is part forward base, part defensive bastion.
          Russia doesn’t have the cash or inclination for fancy gadgets like floating military bases. You, I imagine understand what the primary uses of one might be, and for what ends you need them for.
          Solid ground is still solid ground. Hence priorities will always be assigned to it.
          It’s a matter of where your strengths and weaknesses lie. Both American and Russian.

          • Alex George

            No you can’t prove anything, because your assertions have been rubbish. As soon as you are challenged you run like a rabbit.

            Learn to support your propositions with facts or reasoning.

            The truth is that Putin foolishly embarked on foreign adventures which Russia could not afford. He is showing himself up to be the most incompetent leader Russia has ever had.

        • Mick Servian

          Just like the US annexed Kosovo for a base. So Russia took Crimea. Those territories will never be returned.

          • Alex George

            There is no US base in Kosovo, nor was it ever annexed by the US. You really are ignorant.

          • Mick Servian

            There is NO us base in Kosovo??
            Really, the only one deluding themselves is you

          • Murf

            Which might be a good point except we didn’t annex Kosovo.
            Camp Bond Steel exists for one reason and reason alone; keep the Serbs out.
            It has ZERO value beyond that.

          • Mick Servian

            You have to be kidding right. No value?
            Mate the whole demonisation of the Serbs, is getting stale. I have personally witnessed outright lies being used against Serbians, which had no basis in reality.
            I am not against the US, but against the elites. Albright has major economic benefits there, established after the invasion. It is Serbian land, always has been. Commie reeducation doesn’t change that fact.
            International laws were broken. And where actual genocide took place at the same time, Rwanda, that somehow didn’t warrant any intervention. I wonder why?
            One only has to look at what’s going on in Macedonia, to realise what’s happening there.
            To be frank, I’m sick of the western narrative that the area is unimportant, when in actuality empirical evidence throughout history, has told us another story.
            Go look up all sides there and read some local theories.
            The Balkans are a perfect microcosm of politics, administered everywhere in the world.

          • Mick Servian

            Oh and sorry for ignoring your invitations. Had a lot on my plate this week. Not enough time.
            Hopefully next week.

        • Mick Servian

          And one last thing.
          They have China for that.
          They are building boats at an incredible pace.
          If war ever came to Russia instigated directly or indirectly. Do you really believe China would stand idly by? Knowing the US’s track record.
          On empirical evidence alone, they would have to act.
          A partnership with the US, would require equality on many fields, and they are not. Only an idiot would think they are equals.

          • Alex George

            What do you mean “one last thing”? You didn’t come up with a first thing. Murf put his points to you one by one and invited you to refute them – and you couldn’t.

            And then on top of that you make the absurd suggestion that China is building naval vessels for Russia!

            “Do you really believe China would stand idly by?”

            Of course not. China is already in process of carving out the bits of Russia that it wants, and it would be more than happy to complete the job.

          • Murf

            China’s economy is built on trade exports mainly to the US. Do you think China is going to war with the US and have trade dry up?
            The US and China may go to war one day.
            But it will be at the time and place of China’s choosing when they are sure they can win.
            Not when some drunk Russian suffering from testosterone poising decides for them.

          • Mick Servian

            You can’t decide when war comes knocking. Doesn’t work like that.
            No it will be at a time when the US chooses.
            Besides this so called drunk Russian took his country out of a crisis. I don’t know, what’s it going to be? Calculated KGB agent, or crazy drunk goose?
            When the media in the west lies and embellishes stuff.
            Even stuff I have seen with my own eyes. It makes you question some fundamental things.
            As it stands if the US doesn’t start a war, they will be surpassed in 50-100 years. That’s the direct result of policy being made by people unworthy to do so. America has gone from being an admired nation, to one being despised by everyone except for people directly benefiting. Or from people mostly in radical groups and nations that receive support to cause disruptions in whatever region they are from. The people making those retarded policies are responsible.
            And another thing, getting the populace to agree to go to war against an equal, will be difficult.

        • Andrew Chmile

          you KNOW that ***SERBIAN*** mental case can’t do that Murf.

  • zorbatheturk

    I will be glad when they can no longer afford an army.

  • Alex George

    It’s more than even the money. Russia lost the ability to get large naval turbine engines when it attacked Ukraine. Most of its large naval units can no longer function.

    • Dagwood Bumstead

      Several ships which were under construction were sold to India because Dwarfstan can’t obtain the gas turbines and reduction gearing from the Ukrainians any longer and don’t have the capability to build them themselves. Ditto for the diesel engines which were ordered in Germany but are embargoed. And guess what- India will be buying the turbines and gearing from Kyiv, so the Ukrainians don’t lose any money. Germany will no doubt supply the diesels to India now so they don’t lose either.
      It would be interesting to know who made the steam turbines for Dwarfstan’s nuclear subs. If they are Ukrainian-made as well Dwarfstan will have another problem. Pedo Putolini boasted that the sanctions wouldn’t harm Dwarfstan and that the country would quickly develop its own substitutes, but given the state of Dwarfstan’s industry and lack of cash (the Reserve Fund is running on fumes and only the Welfare Fund left to plunder) it would seem that the dwarf spoke too soon.

    • Andrew Chmile

      “Alex George” (AKA “MichaelA”) is a Ruski **MOLE** like “Vasyl P.” etc…

      Also they have violated the UKRAINE TODAY name by changing their BS “Disqus Channel” name from “Ukraine Today USA” to “Ukraine Today” ….
      & besmirching A REAL NEWS SITE by PLAGIARIZING ARTICLES & putting in
      __Russia Today__ & __SPUTNIK__ Russo-mongolian commie articles to fool normal people.

      The RUSKI & SERBIAN **moles** claim it’s “just for laughs” or “for balance”. That will most certainly “fool” white people!!! :)))

      STUPID @SSHOLES !!! —- are they not? 😉

      • Alex George

        Ah yes, Andrew the Putin troll turns up on schedule – he is always happy to attack those who love Ukraine, yet he rarely writes anything positive about Ukraine himself.

        I write about Russia’s weakness and its foolishness in attacking Ukraine, and Andrew turns up to attack me – so predictable.

    • veth

      The great superpower Russia can not make engines? hahahaah, even North Korea can……..hahahahaha

      • Dagwood Bumstead

        Engines for Ladas, Kamaz trucks and T-80s are one thing, but developing a large marine diesel and putting it into production another, certainly within a limited timeframe. Ditto for marine gas turbines and reduction gearing. Money running out doesn’t help.

        It all makes waging war on your major supplier of gas turbines etc even more stupid.

        • veth

          Russians know only how to invade and to destroy……………..to build that’s an problem.

  • Oknemfrod

    >Russia is no longer planning to field a fleet as powerful as the American one<

    So, they have been planning such a feat, really? A curious plan – akin for Putler to be planning to outrun Bolt and knock out Klitschko.

    • zorbatheturk

      Building 10 carriers would bankrupt them in 10 minutes.

      • Oknemfrod

        True. That is why they’re lucky that they aren’t capable of building one.

        • Andrew Chmile

          They CAN build large submarines though …. like the Kursk.
          U.S. Navy lost a few subs too…

  • Brent

    Yeah right!!! China is in the process of launching its 2nd aircraft carrier, Egypt bought the “Mistral” France originally built for Russia and even North Korea is building more subs.

    Russia just needs more tugboats…..

    • Dagwood Bumstead

      But can Dwarfstan actually AFFORD more tugboats????

  • Den Lovric

    It’s nice hatred brings so many people together. It’s such a wonderful thing. Imagine all the things you can accomplish. Lol

    • Alex George

      That is true – Putin supporters are united by hatred. Just look at how much they have failed to accomplish as a result. Lol

      • Mick Servian

        I don’t know about that. The only hatred I see here is from the other side.
        You even have to distance yourself from Andrew chmile girl, cause he’s going overboard on his fascist rankings.

        • Alex George

          Then you don’t read much on here.

          As for Andrew Chmile, I don’t worry about him. He pretends to be a Ukrainian and to support Ukraine, but he’s a Putin troll. He has been banned from numerous pro-Ukraine sites before he came here and most people have worked him out

  • Andrew Chmile

    Ah! :)))
    Yo’ so “cleverly” —- “talked” — your way AROUND everything here…..
    “fool” anyone you monhol? 😉

    **NOT** !!!
    — monhol pider & STUKACH!!!! — like yo’ family very likely…
    Just like all Ruski… a SLAVE people.