Why is Putin meeting with Kerry?

Kerry and Putin

 

2015/05/12 • Analysis & Opinion

Article by: Vitaliy Portnikov, Espreso TV

When it comes to the meeting between US Secretary of State John Kerry with  Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in  Sochi, sources from both sides differ in their explanations.

In Washington there is talk about the need to discuss a range of issues with Moscow, including the “normalization” of relations between Russia and the US. Similarly, observers differ considerably on why the meeting is even taking place. Some call this meeting a diplomatic victory for Russia. After all, it was Kerry who flew to Sochi, and not Lavrov to Washington. Others consider it a victory for the US, arguing that Americans were able to reach an important agreement on an agenda with the Russians for stabilizing the situation.

However, the meeting between Putin and Kerry is an obvious indication of which side has the ball in this visit. It is not really necessary to point out that from the perspective of the Russian president, who imagines himself the master of the universe, the only suitable partner for discussing the future would be the president of the United States.

Meanwhile, Barack Obama himself, who had maintained constant telephone contact with Putin during the Crimean crisis and even at the beginning of the Donetsk one, has actually minimized even the possibility of dialogue with his Russian counterpart after the “Boeing” matter (downing of Malaysia airline — Ed.). And in this situation of demonstrable neglect, Putin has agreed to meet with the US Secretary of State. It is clear that had such a meeting not been planned, Kerry simply would not have arrived in Sochi, leaving Lavrov to sunbathe alone.

This willingness to meet with an official whose rank, in Putin’s view, is inferior to his own greatness, demonstrates that contact with the United States is needed primarily by Moscow and only then by Washington. It also indicates that Putin is now seeking to stabilize rather than to aggravate the situation. Otherwise, there would have been no need to invite Kerry to Sochi only to announce that the confrontation would continue.

In addition, Kerry’s trip is part of a much larger string of consultations at the  highest level. Only recently Putin met with French President François Hollande in Yerevan, and Federal Chancellor Angela Merkel has paid a brief visit to the Russian capital. At the same time, after each of these meetings, it became clear that the Western leaders are not preparing to concede. On the contrary, there is information that the French are prepared to sink the Mistrals rather than give them to Russia. In Moscow, for the first time, there was mention about the “criminality” of the Crimean annexation.

This means that the West is not afraid of aggravating Putin. And Putin himself continues to maintain these contacts because he finds them necessary.

Despite our conviction that the Russian president does not fully realize the extent of the crisis in his country, I would not underestimate Putin’s awareness. Yes, today the consequences of Western sanctions and the decline in the price of oil are not yet really noticeable. But with each month the reserves of the Russian regime are decreasing, and Putin is looking for a way out of the situation that he has created for himself.

There are two ways out of this situation. The first is to go ahead with a major war. The second is to try to find ways to reach agreements with the West and to reject further escalation of the crisis in Ukraine. Kerry’s visit shows that right now Putin is taking the second path. But whether he reaches the end will depend on the terms of the compromise — including those that are negotiated during the meeting in Sochi.

Translated by: Anna Mostovych
Source: Espreso TV

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  • The truth

    The West , be nice , give a chance to putin to find his way out, without being humiliated again !
    Maybe some days, sunbathing in Sotchi, could help , he only has to relax, think, and make the right decision .
    Without the West , RF will be nothing against the 2 big powers represented by India and China . Even his dreams about the BRICS are only dreams . BRICS is only 42 % of the world population , Those 42% represents 20% of the global economy based on GDP. In within the BRICS 17% of the world´s trade total.

    • Dagwood Bumstead

      Why should the West be nice? Who cares whether Putin is humiliated? He created the mess he is in, so let him suffer the consequences.
      The oil price may have stabilised at around $60 per barrel, but Putin needs $100 or more to balance the budget. But what will happen when Iran can export oil again when the nuclear deal is signed? With an increase in supply, but without much increase in demand, surely there is only one way the price will go: to paraphrase Status Quo, Down Down, Deeper and Down.
      There’s nothing in Putin’s track record that indicates he will back down. It’s far more likely he will order his Kolorads to renew the offensive. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he orders al all-out offensive all along the border with the Ukraine and seizes as much as he can grab,regardless of the consequences. He knows he can get away with it, Obama, Merkel and Hollande are useless and will continue to block the supply of the modern antitank missiles Kyiv needs no matter what Putin does. The only thing Kyiv can do is to get as many of its own antitank missiles manufactured before the excrement hits the ventilator.

    • Yuriy

      Looks like the West was too nice, which was absolutely pointless. Here is a nice article:

      Kerry’s pointless diplomacy in Russia
      http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/13/opinions/aron-kerry-russia-meeting/

  • what’s what

    Please go to: https://register.state.gov/contactus/contactusform and tell Secretary Kerry to negotiate hard to get Russia OUT of Ukraine, INCLUDING Crimea, and to send defensive weapons to Ukraine. Please also do this at: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments
    While you’re at it, please tell Secretary Kerry to demand the immediate release of Nadia Savchenko. Our voices must be heard!

    • puttypants

      Thanks for this info. I will pass it on to as men people as I can. Has anyone sent this info to all the Ukrainian churches and organizations in the state?

    • Yuriy

      I don’t think Kerry is a good person for this. He is a flip-flop and his middle east piece talk was a disaster.

      • Milton Devonair

        kerry is a nobody, a place holder. No one in the US knows what our federal government is doing. We don’t have any idea why they do what they do, but they don’t tell us most of what they do anyway.

        The US federal government seems only to be interested in things that will undermine/discredit/damage America and Israel. If you look at the US federal government that way, all of what the obama administration does–and doesn’t do–makes sense.

        I keep saying this–other countries are on their own. The US isn’t going to help anyone. Our government is more concerned with ghetto blacks, mexicans and gays than anything else.

      • The truth

        I don´t think Lavrov is a good person for this . He his a flip flop and his middle east piece (?) talk was disaster !

        • Yuriy

          Thanks for finding a typo.
          Are you saying they found each other?

    • what’s what

      wow, “caroline”…russkie troll late to the party…go to siberia – take putin and his pedophile buddy kadyrov with him. If the brainwashed, vodka-addled russkies hadn’t been murdering Ukrainians for centuries, none of this would have happened. tell the russkie hordes to go home and the Ukrainians won’t have to kill them to get them OUT of Ukraine ONCE and for ALL.

      • Michel Cloarec

        You belong to those who believe that the grand old man of russia was concerned by the welfare of the 2 M (then) Ua citizens living in Crimea. When in fact the last 12 months the world has discovered his main purposes. (And I forget the new extermination of the Tatars).
        Before Girkin went to Crimea , life for the crimeans and certainly also in the south east of Ukraine was probably hard but peaceful. Girkin and co , on orders from Kremlin invaded the regions ! How many have left Crimea , how many went to russland, how many Tatars are “exported ”
        Illusions are pardonable, but wrong belief are not !
        You do not make a favor to the people of Crimea with your comment , quite the opposite . The people of Crimea have been fooled to believe , as you do ! Sorry , but all that will be restore in due time !

      • what’s what

        “caroline,” aka “russkie troll”: Crimea is UKRAINIAN, NOT Russian, but you russkies are so used to grabbing Ukrainian land and murdering Ukrainians for centuries, you’ve convinced yourself, in your unethical and upside-down world, that it’s the correct way to behave. YOU are not British…just posing as one to be a more believable pukin troll. Catherine the NOT-great seized Crimea for russia for 100 years…that does not make it russian. By that logic, USA would still belong to England, and most of Africa to Spain, portugal and france. so get your head outta pukin’s backside, and go read some Ukrainian history written by actual historians, like Orest Subtelny and/or Timothy Snyder. Russians have been committing genocide against Ukrainians for generations, so nice try, “caroline” pot, to call the kettle black. and why the HELL would I want to go to Russia, anyway – you’re the crazy one here, not me!!! and look at your great “crimean ruler,” Aksyonov – a russike mafia 2-bit low-life scumbag – really someone to be proud of.

        • what’s what

          Caroline – you’re an ass!!!! You’re also a pukin-paid minimum-wage troll. You’re definitely NOT British, or you would know how to write in English. CLEARLY, you don’t and/or can’t. You’re such a staunch supporter of obvious pukin lies that you could not possibly be anything other than a russian. who else could be so obstinately ignorant of the truth???
          Once and for all: Crimea is Ukraine. there was no popular revolt against Ukrainian rule there – only russian mafia thugs under the control of a drunken, murdering mafia hechman, Askyonov, who stifled all dissent. If you doubt this obvious fact, please see:

          You are clearly guilty of using the following russky troll tactics:
          The first Russian approach to negative reporting or comment is to dismiss it, either by denying the allegations on the ground, or denigrating the one who makes them.

          The best-known example is Russia’s consistent denial that it has forces in Ukraine. This began as early as 4 March 2014, in a press conference given by Putin:

          “The tension in Crimea that was linked to the possibility of using our Armed Forces simply died down and there was no need to use them. The only thing we had to do, and we did it, was to enhance the defence of our military facilities.”

          When asked outright whether the forces involved were Russians, he insisted “those were local self-defence units”.

          Such denials ended at his marathon call-in on 17 April 2014, a full month after the annexation:

          “We had to take the necessary measures in order to prevent the situation in Crimea unfolding the way it is now unfolding in southeastern Ukraine … Of course, the Russian servicemen did back the Crimean self-defence forces.”

          He changed his tone again in a documentary released a year after the annexation. The film showed him describing an all-night meeting on 22 February 2014, a week before the first armed men appeared in Crimea: “We finished about seven in the morning. When we were parting, I told all my colleagues, ‘We are forced to begin the work to bring Crimea back into Russia’.”

          Russia was not involved. Russia backed up the Crimean rebels. Russia planned it all. Only one of these statements can be true; the fact that Putin made all three in the glare of the cameras reveals the extent to which deceit has become part of Russian communications.

          And by the way, the Russian language was NEVER banned in Ukraine. but the disgusting muscaly invaders DID in fact forbid Ukrainian, under the czars, and under the soviets. so go put your damned lies in a vodka glass and swill them along with your daily dose of pukin kool-aid, witch…and go to a siberian gulag, which is the only place, in a just world, where pukin-troll scum like you belong.

        • what’s what

          “caroline,” REALLY??? – you have read of only 1 person who is unhappy with Russia’s illegal, blood-soaked invasion of Ukraine…so that makes the invasion legitimate??? are you on crack, or pukin kool-aid, or both??? Do you know what happens to people who speak out against your evil emperor, pukin??? Do the names Nemstov, Politkovskaya, Gessen, Yushchenko, or Litvinenko ring a bell… most likely the don’t, because they’re on pukin’s banned reading list. Nobody, I’m sure, in your upside-down wrong = right and black = white world dares question pukin’s lies. corrupt, mass-murdering russian oligarchs (pukin’s cronies) have bought prime real estate in London, and frequently wash their ill-gotten fortunes in english money-laundering banks, so of course the corrupt, russian-bought, spineless limey politicians don’t dare utter a word against their cash-cow, russia. What drivel you spew. Ukraine was a legitimate, liberal kingdom 400 YEARS before you barbaric muscovy came out of your caves and discovered how to walk on 2 feet, you disgusting LIAR!!!

          • what’s what

            ….better for you russkies, or course…but Germany abologized to the Jews for the holocaust, and paid reparations to Jewish victims, but hyou russkies refuse to even acknowledge the Holodomor, let alone the millions of other Ukrainians you massacred during your bloody reign of terror. You’re clearly so afraid of the rulers of Ukraine because they’re trying to eradicate corruption and finally stand up to the russky hordes – you just can’t stand it!!! Western leaders are finally fed up with your disgusting, mass-murdering kgb/mafia boss pukin, even if he’s paid them off and blackmailed them for decades…even they cannot stomach his childish, obvious lies any longer!!!!!

        • what’s what

          caroline is most definitely a rusky-pesky troll who is soooooooooooooo afraid of the truth (see below)

          RUSSIA IS A DYING NATION: SOME STATISTICS
          There are only 110 million ethnic Russians there and 30% of adult men are officially declared alcoholics. Two out of three ethnic Russian men were drunk while they died. The average life expectancy of a Russian male is less than 58 years. Here some data from the 2012 WHO report based on data filed by Russia’s statistical authorities. The numbers Khan Putin doesn’t want you to see!
          http://tinyurl.com/p8gwaay

          Russia’s top 100 lies about Ukraine (WITH PHOTO DOCUMENTATION)
          — by Julia Davis — BRILLIANT!
          (links to the first 20. 40, 60, 80 lies in the page below)
          http://www.examiner.com/list/r

          Also check out Julia Davis’ FB page and give her a “like” and consider “following.” She covers U.S. news as well. — FAST, QUICK, BRIEF, TERSE!
          https://www.facebook.com/FilmM

          Graphics:
          The Little Girl – Russian claims
          http://tinyurl.com/p45gh4b

          Russian Terrorists Using Ukrainian Children as Human Shields
          http://tinyurl.com/llpmcdw

          Putin’s Militants Torture & Kill Ukrainians: US Mass Media Keeps Silence (and they put it on Russian state tv!) (WARNING! GRAPHIC!)
          http://spectrumhr.org/?p=1983

          Evil Fat Russian Priest – caught at last!
          http://tinyurl.com/psqo4of

          Russian claims on Ukrainian Army
          http://tinyurl.com/n2yafxv

          Claim of Ukrainian morgue of dead civilians killed by army
          http://tinyurl.com/pgy5hoq

          Russian Terrorists Kill Animals
          http://tinyurl.com/qdedgn9

          The Opinion-Makers: How Russia Is Winning the Propaganda War
          SPIEGEL ONLINE INTERNATIONAL
          http://tinyurl.com/qysyqp7

          Documents Show How Russia’s Troll Army Hit America – BuzzFeed News
          http://tinyurl.com/lv9exl6

          The readers’ editor on… pro-Russia trolling below the line on Ukraine stories -Guardian moderators, who deal with 40,000 comments a day, believe there is
          an orchestrated pro-Kremlin campaign
          http://tinyurl.com/obud4d3

          Inside Putin’s Campaign Of Social Media Trolling And Faked Ukrainian Crimes
          http://tinyurl.com/lvcz87y

          Russian Propaganda Is Taking Over Online Comment Boards
          http://tinyurl.com/opsq64l

          Russia’s Online-Comment Propaganda Army
          http://tinyurl.com/n2z6ebe

          Russia’s information warriors are on the march – we must respond – The Daily Telegraph
          http://tinyurl.com/od92ub3
          —————————————–
          Internet Troll Operation Uncovered in St. Petersburg
          http://www.sptimes.ru/index.ph
          —————————————–
          Russia’s 30-Ruble Army Emerges Again
          http://www.rferl.org/content/r

          • what’s what

            “caroline,” – so you’re in love w/ your odious, paunchy, aging boss, pukin, too??? that would explain a lot. if you’re seriously fawning over a mass-murdering kgb/mafia 2-bit thugs like pukin, then THAT says a lot about you! I simply call you a russky troll because you make so many grammatical errors in your pathetic attempts to write a coherent sentence in english. nothing personal ; )

      • what’s what

        it’s called democracy, honey, but russkie trolls like you don’t know anything about that.

      • Michel Cloarec

        Impresse us and say what putin did for russia, and how is russia former than other countries . Start with GDP, GDP per capita , corruption level by forbes or transparency international, the average pension in 1999 and in 2015, the military spending , mortality age, space program , etc….
        Don´t forget how many wars were started during the reign of vlady .
        We are waiting to know , because we know nothing about that country !

      • Michel Cloarec

        I suppose you prefer russians killing ukrainians as it has been since the 20 th and 30 th ! Tell us , we know nothing about russia , we are so eager to learn !

        • what’s what

          tell your rusky military buddies to get the f out of Ukraine. They started invading Ukraine and killing Ukrainians centuries ago, and they just can’t seem to stop. Are you aware that Russia invaded Ukraine? or in your twisted reality, maybe you think it was Ukraine that invaded Russia.

          • what’s what

            “caroline” – Why on earth would anyone read anything from you???? If you’re “so tired of Ukraine,” then tell pukin, your disgusting, mass-murdering boss, that you’re going on a lunch break, soak your miserable, pitiful existence in MORE vodka, or tell him you’re on strike for higher wages to publish more of his toxic lies. Many laborers in russia are on strike for non-payment of wages, because pukin & his cronies are taking all your hard-earned rubles for photo ops wrestling tiger cubs in siberia, or to spend on pied-a-terres in london, but i guess he has a few kopike saved up to pay his ridiculous, asinine propaganda drones, or maybe you’re just a little slow on the uptake. My guess would be the latter, because even among pukin trolls, you seem esp. brain-dead :)

  • chris hawkins

    Good analysis.

  • jmundstuk

    I’d like to hear more about this sentence: “In Moscow, for the first time, there was mention about the “criminality” of the Crimean annexation.”

    • Andrew Chmilewsky

      Here’s other stuff you might also use… IF you’re not a paid, lying Russian troll.

      ————- begin:

      No problem with the Russo-mongolidal Horde Trolls :)
      You can ALWAYS know where the Horde Trolls are going to go — and get there ahead of most of them (but they ARE FAST!) by goggling “Ukraine News” …. that’s how they know where to go.

      I hit ’em with my revised “Russo-mongoloidal Horde Paid Lying Troll FAQ.” Copy is below btw.
      Probably revise it some more later.

      I’m not going to ARGUE with ALL OF THOSE NASTY RUSKI TROLLS! :)
      I just post my below as a “new comment” — (making sure the cut n’ paste job has all the urls lined up) — and than, for a busy thread — or a particularly obnoxious troll — will re-post it under the reply. IF I get a “you’ve made this comment before” message — I’ll take something out of it or add a comment – for the “entity” troll – whatever.

      I’ll also use the “graphics” part — as a “group” or singly, depending — and use that as an individual reply perhaps. Makes them STFU, and “spreads the word.” — FAST, QUICK, EASY… they usually back-off or scurry from the light like the roaches they are … People see this. IF A PARTICULARLY OBNOXIOUS TROLL — that “dares” — I’ll write — “WHERE IS THE LIE IN ANYTHING HERE YOU RUSSO-MONGOLOIDAL HORDE PAID, LYING TROLL? — or some such. :)

      Also in it, I have a link to Kyiv Post. :)
      KP is the “DONETSK AIRPORT” for Trolls… they send their newest, dumbest and youngest and most stupid ones here it seems to me, as a “general rule.
      ============================

      PAID LYING RUSSO-MONGOLOIDOL HORDE TROLLS (with many accounts):

      Cut ‘n Paste this to have this ready in a doc file on your desktop, to alert people. Good for when you get sick of the LYING RUSSIAN TROLLS or “LRTs”.
      PAID LYING RUSSO-MONGOLOIDAL HORDE TROLLS (with many accounts):

      On those comments sections of articles about Ukraine and Russia? Wherever you get your news, and you see the COWARDLY, LYING, USUALLY ANON. RUSSIANS with “Western sounding” names frequently?

      Upon spotting a LYING RUSSIAN TROLL, don’t even waste time on those LYING RUSSIANS. They LIVE for it! And they’re getting PAID to lie. It’s “a Russian thing” to lie. Always has been. It’s cultural. From history on to any topic, THEY LIE. — Russians…. how it is. For an 8 hour shift, they get $36 a day (worth $18 now – and still going down) and a cheap lunch you wouldn’t give your dog. As the noted and great American wit and observer of Russia wrote:

      “Fish swim, birds fly, dogs bark, Russians lie.” – Dan Ramsey http://WWW.KyivPost.com commentator.

      LYING RUSSIAN TROLLS – all over the net. About all those lying, cowardly, anonymous Russian Trolls – fooling the suckers:

      RUSSIA IS A DYING NATION: SOME STATISTICS
      There are only 110 million ethnic Russians there and 30% of adult men are officially declared alcoholics. Two out of three ethnic Russian men were drunk while they died. The average life expectancy of a Russian male is less than 58 years. Here some data from the 2012 WHO report based on data filed by Russia’s statistical authorities. The numbers Khan Putin doesn’t want you to see!
      http://tinyurl.com/p8gwaay

      Russia’s top 100 lies about Ukraine (WITH PHOTO DOCUMENTATION)
      — by Julia Davis — BRILLIANT!
      (links to the first 20. 40, 60, 80 lies in the page below)
      http://www.examiner.com/list/russia-s-top-100-lies-about-ukraine

      Also check out Julia Davis’ FB page and give her a “like” and consider “following.” She covers U.S. news as well. — FAST, QUICK, BRIEF, TERSE!
      https://www.facebook.com/FilmMouse?fref=tl_fr_box

      Graphics:
      The Little Girl – Russian claims
      http://tinyurl.com/p45gh4b

      Russian Terrorists Using Ukrainian Children as Human Shields
      http://tinyurl.com/llpmcdw

      Putin’s Militants Torture & Kill Ukrainians: US Mass Media Keeps Silence (and they put it on Russian state tv!) (WARNING! GRAPHIC!)
      http://spectrumhr.org/?p=1983

      Evil Fat Russian Priest – caught at last!
      http://tinyurl.com/psqo4of

      Russian claims on Ukrainian Army
      http://tinyurl.com/n2yafxv

      Claim of Ukrainian morgue of dead civilians killed by army
      http://tinyurl.com/pgy5hoq

      Russian Terrorists Kill Animals
      http://tinyurl.com/qdedgn9

      The Opinion-Makers: How Russia Is Winning the Propaganda War
      SPIEGEL ONLINE INTERNATIONAL
      http://tinyurl.com/qysyqp7

      Documents Show How Russia’s Troll Army Hit America – BuzzFeed News
      http://tinyurl.com/lv9exl6

      The readers’ editor on… pro-Russia trolling below the line on Ukraine stories -Guardian moderators, who deal with 40,000 comments a day, believe there is
      an orchestrated pro-Kremlin campaign
      http://tinyurl.com/obud4d3

      Inside Putin’s Campaign Of Social Media Trolling And Faked Ukrainian Crimes
      http://tinyurl.com/lvcz87y

      Russian Propaganda Is Taking Over Online Comment Boards
      http://tinyurl.com/opsq64l

      Russia’s Online-Comment Propaganda Army
      http://tinyurl.com/n2z6ebe

      Russia’s information warriors are on the march – we must respond – The Daily Telegraph
      http://tinyurl.com/od92ub3
      —————————————–
      Internet Troll Operation Uncovered in St. Petersburg
      http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=100&story_id=38052
      —————————————–
      Russia’s 30-Ruble Army Emerges Again
      http://www.rferl.org/content/russia_30_ruble_army_emerges_again/24477703.html

      • what’s what

        Thanks for the work. we can and should definitely use this to defeat the enemies of Ukraine!

        • Andrew Chmilewsky

          Thanks.

    • Dagwood Bumstead

      So would I! I doubt anybody in the Putin administration said it, nor is it likely that anybody in the rubber-stamp Duma did. The opposition has no influence whatsoever and even if it did, Navalny has already stated that he won’t return the Crimea.
      Right now I would not attach any importance to the statement- if, indeed, it was made in the first place. So far I haven’t seen any confirmation at all.

  • Yuriy

    Press Availability With Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov

    Remarks
    John Kerry
    Secretary of State
    Sochi, Russia
    May 12, 2015

    http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2015/05/242214.htm

    I can bet him saying “if indeed President Poroshenko is advocating an engagement in a forceful effort at this time, we would strongly urge him to think twice” will be taken out of context by Russian news :)

  • Vlad Pufagtinenko

    Total war with Ukraine is the only scenario that will end this crisis once and for all. Poroshenko says Ukraine is ready for total war. Let us hope he is right.

  • Michel Cloarec

    The rat in the corner, doesn´t know now how to get out of the mess , and he must consult the frenchs, the germans, the USs. Now the Nemtsov report is on all the TV channels around the World . A russian recession is on its way ! Nobody will concede anything to putin. It is only to go back in the rank and behave ! That´s the world´s rules.

  • Alain Godet

    Just one small detail : contrary to the Russian propaganda which has been gobbled up by the Ukrainian press, France has NEVER thought about sinking the two ships. Rather give them to any other country than Russia, than to scuttle them. Seems the guys from Sputnik and RT have difficulties to read French. Not really a surprise, given their two neurons!

    • Yuriy

      the source, I believe, Le Fargo:
      http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2015/05/05/01003-20150505ARTFIG00391-les-mistral-boulet-de-la-diplomatie-francaise.php
      Unfortunately you need a subscription to read the article. But according to:
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3070579/France-considering-scuttling-Mistral-aircraft-carriers-agree-sell-vessels-Russia-sanctions-brought-Ukraine.html
      it says:
      “Among the possible course of actions which is being considered by the French government is the possibility of the helicopter ships being destroyed. They will be dismantled, remodeled or sunk in the open sea”

      • Alain Godet

        I have a paper copy of the full article. It says “some raised the idea of scuttling, but it was immediately discarded” (in substance). I can copy you the exact terms (in French and translated into English) if needed. So, no, no scuttling. Never.

        • Yuriy

          thats ok, it is pretty much what I expected. I don’t think they can scuttle it, even if they wanted without considerable amount of work, because of russian stern parts installed.

          • Alain Godet

            The last time we scuttled some boats was in 1942 😀 And we have some concern for the environment, contrary to Russia :)

            The article says, exactly : “this would be the most economical solution, but would be a huge disrespect for the work of the shipyard employees, and thus totally unthinkable”. I wonder which word Russian propagandists do no understand, between “totally” and “unthinkable” 😀

            The article says, as a conclusion, that a solution will be found. It will take time, but it will be ultimately found. And Russia is out of the scope of potential solutions…

          • Yuriy

            I think regardless of what they do they will have to return Russia money for the ship and maybe either buy or remove the stern parts.
            The best solution would have been is to find some party with debt claims against Russia, like Swiss Noga had (or may be wait to see if Ukrainian claim goes through).

          • Michel Cloarec

            I suppose you know that the shipyard in St P could not build these ships , that is why Sakorzy offered to build in France.
            And that you know putin thought he made a favor to france !
            Anyway the stern or hull , can be returned to russia as crap .

          • Michel Cloarec

            I can anticipate your comment to come, so here is some infos.

            “”””The construction of the stern for the first Mistral helicopter carrier being built for the Russian Navy will be finished in France because a Russian shipyard cannot meet the deadline specified in the contract, a senior Russian defense official said Tuesday.

            “We will have the whole stern made there [in France], we won’t take risks so as not to delay the contract,” Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov told reporters on the sidelines of the Paris Air Show in Le Bourget.

            Borisov said the decision had been made as it became evident that the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg, subcontacted to build the stern for the ship, was not going to meet the deadline.

            Russia and France signed a contract for two French-built Mistral-class helicopter carriers in June 2011. The first, the Vladivostok, is being built at the DCNS shipyard in Saint-Nazaire and is due to be delivered in 2014, while the second, the Sevastopol, is scheduled for delivery in 2015.”””

          • Yuriy

            Hey, you still writing to this weeks old thread. I think it is cute.

        • Michel Cloarec

          Le Figaro n´utilise pas ce mot “scuttle” Le daily Mail seulement ! Journal à sensation !

          • Alain Godet

            C’est pour nous titiller sur Toulon 1942. Mais l’idée est la même et les premiers couillons a l’avoir sorti, ce mot, ce sont les propagandistes de RT et Sputnik. Sans noter que le fait de couler un navire est interdit par une convention internationale qu’ont signée la France et la Russie. Mais pour ce que vaut la signature de la Russie…

          • Michel Cloarec

            Tout à commencé le 1er avril cette année !

            On Wednesday, numerous Russian and international mass media reprinted a bogus report by the EU Observer website claiming France had agreed to sell the two Mistral ships commissioned by Russia, to the European Union and that the first ship would be deployed to the Latvian port of Riga as early as May. The EU’s Foreign Policy department duly reported the news was a joke.
            Le Daily Mail à bien sûr repris la connerie . RT et Sputnik copient toujours et voilà !
            Maintenant les “MYTHOADDICTS” s´en donnent à coeur -joie comme d´habitude .

      • Michel Cloarec

        The article on Le Figaro Premium does not say anything about destruction, nor even about exportation. The newspapers article written by a right wing populist Isabelle Lasserre only wants to make the President unconfortable. That´s all !
        You only repeated Sputnik News fantasy !

      • Michel Cloarec

        Daily mail imagination, is only journalist fables, which Sputnik news copyied

      • Michel Cloarec

        It was an April 1st FOOL

  • Dalton

    I wish I trusted my own government to say I’m sure the US had some positive policy agenda in the meeting, but I’d rather wait and see. For some reason I don’t get any warm fuzzies

  • Michel Cloarec

    The trolls from St Petersburgh factory , being russians lack completly senses of humour . But when they are drunk, early in the mornings , they are funny ! They can spew anything from nothing about the “lider maximo” as Castro would say !
    What they don´t realize is that they are traitors to the country they try so hard to defend. They defend their ” Cesar”.
    Un peu comme suivre les discours de Hitler où Goebbels.

  • Michel Cloarec

    There are only 2 alternatives War or Peace ! Russia has to pull back its troops .
    Kiev and junta in lpr/dpr to sit round a table and discuss the solutions without having russia blowing the wind .