Character assassination – Russian style

The fake poster that started it

 

2015/02/24 • Russia

Article by: Thomas C. Theiner

Today I discovered that pro-Russia activists, pro-Russia trolls and reporters of Russia Today spread a screencap of a translation I tweeted as my words. As always they are in high excitement about the “nazi” thoughts contained within the screencap and post it as proof that most certainly Ukrainians and Ukraine’s supporters must all be “Nazis”. How embarrassing for them that the quote actually originated from a crude satire by Novorossiya supporters of the German Left.

To be informed about the thoughts and insane stories among German Novorossiya supporters I am (under an assumed identity) a member of pro-Russia forums on facebook, vkontakte and other social media sites. Last Tuesday, Fat Tuesday, I discovered a “political poster” in a forum administered by a rabid Novorossiya supporter from Bavaria. The poster was obviously a fake. In the above image I highlighted the fake aspects and here below I will explain them in detail:

  1. The first line alludes to the traditional Ash Wednesday party congress of the center-right CSU, by saying “Politischer Faschingsdienstag der CSU 2015” – in English: Political Fat Tuesday of the CSU 2015
  2. The name of the supposed politician, of whom I had never heard, instantly reminded of two German field marshals at the battle of Stalingrad: Friedrich Paulus and Erich von Manstein. Additionally “Eichenlaub” made it clear that this was a rather plump allusion to the Wehrmacht, as Eichenlaub was a grade of the Wehrmacht’s Kinght’s Cross decoration.
  3. After these two obvious fake aspects I visited the CSU’s website and discovered that the poster’s logo wasn’t the logo of the CSU, which instead of a golden horse, sports a golden lion.
  4. And last but not least with some more googling I found the original stock photo used in this poster. If you wish to find it too – just use google for images of “businessman”.

This fake poster was created and disseminated in the group to attack the CSU and their supposed “warmongering” against Russia. Unlike other posters and images usually circulating in this group, which habitually photoshop Merkel into Hitler, Obama into Hitler, Yatseniuk into Hitler, Poroshenko into Jewish-Hitler,… this one actually looked quite real.

Therefore I posted it to my twitter with the aim to see if Russian trolls would disseminate it as real or if they would realize that it must be fake, as no sane person – especially not in Germany – would ever say such a despicable thing.

To allow for better understanding I translated the quote and put it right under the above tweet and into quotation marks “”. Additionally I made sure that a blue line connected the two tweets; as happens if one replies to one’s own tweet. Said blue line, added by twitter to the left of both tweets, marks them as related. I did make sure that this was the case and assumed that quotation marks and the blue line would make it obvious that the fake poster and translation were related.

Most people understood. A few days later my Euromaidan Press colleagues informed me that a Russia Today reporter was disseminating a “horrible” quote about Hitler, which supposedly was tweeted by me.

I checked and to my surprise I discovered that indeed the translation of the quote from the fake poster was now attributed to me and spread as being my words. A nasty lie.

I wondered where the blue line connecting the original tweet to the quote had gone and at first assumed that the screencap had been photoshop. But after investigating I found out that even if a blue line connects your tweets on your own and other people’s twitter feed, said line will disappear if one has the direct link to a tweet. And that is how the screencap was made, showing that whoever created the screencap was aware of how to get rid of the blue line.

Death threats, insults, threats of legal action for hate speech and a multitude of vile stuff against me has been posted by the Russian side in response to the malicious presentation of my translation of a German leftist satiric attack poster. But none of that fazes me… lions aren’t deterred by crickets.

However I find this to be an important lesson about how Russian smears work. Clearly for the rest of my life RT and other Russian propaganda outlets and their assorted troll cohorts will keep reposting this screencap to prove me being a “nazi”, in the same vein as they keep “proving” Ukrainian Prime Minister Yatseniuk to be a “nazi”. In his case by claiming a translation error by the Ukrainian embassy staff in Washington DC, which translated “inhuman” wrongly as “subhuman”, to be his actual view of Russians and by claiming that he deplored the “Soviet invasion of Germany in 1945”, when in fact he spoke about the Soviet oppression of the East German uprising in 1953.

And just has he, I take it with pride that Russian propaganda deems me worthy to be smeared and he and me will have a laugh about it next time we meet for dinner at Pantagruel at Золотих воріт.

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  • puttypants

    Unfortunately, characterizing Ukraine as neo-nazi’s is all over western media. This is of course Communist propaganda from WW2 and Ukraine’s desire to be independent of Russia. They have been painting Ukrainians as neo-nazi’s for over 70 years and unfortunately many in the west especially America believe it. How does one fight against this entire history of lies coming from Russia?

    • Dirk Smith

      Destroy them.

      • puttypants

        I do my best….but we have so many historians just repeating Russian propaganda too.

      • NWOD

        You see – call to genocide. Typical Nazi stuff – and then you morons wonder why people call you Nazis? Well, again, you are not worthy of that name – you are armpit of Nazis.

        • puttypants

          MWOD..Didn’t even your head Russian priest think it was okay to invade and kill ukrainians but ukrainians should love you? Please how stupid do you think we are. Get the hell off here you lying Putler troll.

          • NWOD

            “Putler troll” – hahahahaha!! Not very creative, are you? But a lot of hate I sense in you.

            Head Russian priest – you mean Patriarch Krill? You have a link for that? By the way the only people being kiilled are Ukrainians invading Donbass. Donbass is not part of Ukraine – they have said good-bye. They don’t like you, and they will kill you if you try to force them to serve your cruel and incompetent oligarchs.

            If you want to see real source of Ukraine’s problems, you should look to the oligarchs. They are who have ruined your country. But when you are blinded by hate, even the obvious is impossible to see.

    • Jennifer Cohagen
      • disqus_aJpixObjG7

        Greetings to you in Sankt Petersburg Vladik! (not “Jennifer”)

        78% of the Russian “parliament” are neo nazis, fascists & extreme right
        nationalists. Simply google russian parliament to see that this is a FACT not an opinion.
        In no nation on this entire earth are there anywhere near as many Neo Nazis as in Russia . HALF OF ALL NEO NAZIS ON THIS EARTH ARE IN… russia.

        • Jennifer Cohagen

          The FACT is that the Soviet Union was 80% of the effort to extinguish fascism in Europe, and Russia was 80% of the Soviet effort, and that Russia has invested millions of lives to save Europe from fascism — and to suggest they love fascists is a woefully inadequate insult.

          • puttypants

            Jennifer…I always wonder why Nazi’s are supposed to be so much worse than the communists and what they did to their own people starting from 1917 til today. I believe more people died in the Soviet Union by their own governments hands than anything the germans ever did. So why is being a nazi so much worse than being a communist? Someone has to explain this to me.

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            So basically, what you’re saying, is Ukraine has no Nazi’s, but if they did it wouldn’t be such a bad thing, because Nazi’s are pretty cool. At least compared to those awful Russians who spanked Nazi butt some 70 years ago?

          • Dirk Smith

            Here’s a nice family pic of Nazis & communists who were natural allies. The common link is that they all are muscovites; probably drunk.

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            You post a picture. Good for you. Do I see swastikas? No. Do I see sieg heils? No. Do I see black suns? No. Do I see SS wolfsangels? No. Congratulations, you just proved whoever you posted the picture of are most likely not Nazi’s. Are they communist? I don’t know, its not a characteristic that can be seen in a photo.

            On a scale of 1 to 100, I rate your propaganda 0. According to your buddies on this page, however, it wouldn’t matter if they were Nazi’s because they’re such good people compared to Russians.

          • Dirk Smith

            Whatever happened to your boy Pavel Gubarev? Did the botox dwarf send him to Siberia yet?

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            I’ll just let you keep rambling to yourself, the only evidence you’re able to provide to anyone about anything is your density.

          • Dirk Smith

            We understand the truth stings a little bit; especially for a muscovite.

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            Truth doesn’t sting you at all. Must be that funny-farm jacket you’re using for padding.

          • NWOD

            Wow, not a single intelligent thing to write, ever. Bye-bye, Galician moron.

          • Murray Winchester

            NIMROD’S standard fallback when he runs out of steam. Not an original thought in his tiny fascist Putler loving pea brain. His Kremlin dictated scripts run in circles. Loser!

          • evanlarkspur

            No, that’s not what he said. You make my point for me regarding your endless lies and lack of integrity.

            He said that, looking at the historical record, the Nazis may be the lesser of two evils when compared with the murders commited by Russia.

            And many have come to this same conclusion over the decades. Puts you in the very best company, at least as the rest of humanity views it.

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            Russia isn’t invading. For the life of me I can’t figure out why Kiev Ukies think that an area of millions of people can’t come up with a force of 30k+ to defend themselves. I’d provide plenty of links with statements of people saying there are no russian troops in Donbass but it’d be wasted effort as even when I provide exact photos, you think they’re lies.

          • evanlarkspur

            I own property in Donbas, and I have family and friends in Donbas. I talk to them daily. I know what is happening there. Your lies only work with the ignorant. While the West may be naive in that we believe good in others for longer than we should, we are not ignorant. And you are curing us of any belief in your goodness. We are tired of you. You’ve shown you don’t deserve a place in our system and at our table, as it comes with responsibilities you refuse to uphold, so we will shut you out of it. Since this appears to be what blustering Putin wants, we will all be much happier apart.

          • Murray Winchester

            Russia has invaded and everyone knows it. For the life of me I can’t figure out why Putler fascists think that any sane person would believe that 30k+ miners and truck drivers could assemble themselves into a cohesive military force, and then after major battlefield losses, continuously resupply with heavy armaments and fresh replacement troops. Modern heavy weapons are not available at the local METRO which the Putler fascists looted months ago in any case, so what is the source from the east which is the only way to resupply? Anyone with a basic knowledge of military logistics understands that your scenario is not plausible, so your lies just don’t fly unless one is a convenient fool or a Putler troll such as yourself. It smells like your “toast” is burning Ivan so go deal with it as you are stinking up the Internet.

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            Of course, it is bad to be defeated; it is grief for defeated, particularly, if miners and tractor operators are winning. Life is life, it will go on.

          • NWOD

            No invasion, no evidence of that. You just know it b/c you can’t understand how your glorious Nazis are being beaten by ex-miners? It’s easy – ukrainian Nazis are incredibly stupid, lazy and incompetent. The regular Army has no motivation because they don’t care if Donbass secedes (b/c they have a brain) and don’t want to kill or die over that. The military leadership is most worried about how much money they can steal and doesn’t care about battles.

            The miners have been training for a long time now and were quite tough people before. How much training does your Nazi Guard get? Or your Army? Probably even less! Even aside from the stupidity/motivation/corruption issues, there is no reason to think Ukraine would be better on the battle field.

            Supplies come from many places – old caches, trophies, “graveyards”. There haven’t been that many destroyed. And there haven’t been any Russian “troops” captured.

            You are in denial of reality.

          • puttypants

            OMG jennifer…talk about not wanting to read or hear the truth…You are a psychopath like your boss Putler. you had to make a picture of me just to scream loud enough to be heard..He’s a cute kid but… How do you know I’m a boy? hahahahahahahahahahaha. Kiev Ukies that’s a dumb assumption!!! I’ve told you several times I’m from Kharkiv. It’s obvious you don’t read what others write.. you’re too busy making up lies to understand what others are telling to you and nemrod. . It’s obvious you are always lying. I’ve told you several times I’m from Kharkiv but you continue saying I’m a Kiev Ukie…

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            Picture is a metaphor. It doesn’t say you’re a boy. It says you act and think like one. If you were really from Kharkiv, you’d be saying Kharkov.

          • puttypants

            Jennifer…so basically, you have manipulated what I said. Did I say Nazi’s are pretty cool? I said Nazi’s were not worse than Stalinist communists who killed more OF THEIR OWN people BEFORE AND during WW2. TheCOMMUNISTS!!!! nO uKRAINIANS ARE TOO FREEDOM LOVING TO BE NAZI’S ALWAYS HAVE BEEN ALWAYS WILL BE. YOU RUSSIANS LIKE DICTATORS SO NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU FROM HAVING ONE…JUST STOP TRYING TO DICTATE TO UKRAINE. Ukrainians have always wanted to be part of the West even during WW2 many ukrainians worked with Great Britain and American. Ukraine has always been friendly to USA..I know Russia hates that! Be truthful, Ukrainians don’t like totalitarism. Russians obviously must like their kelptocracy or they wouldn’t be support ing Putin is this awful way. Russia invaded Ukraine and is killing Ukrainians because they wanted trade with the West. It’s just that simple. no more lies. we don’t wanna read them…

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            “I don’t want to read them … “

          • evanlarkspur

            Indeed; inadequate to describe the truth, which is self-evident to anyone who sees Putin’s biker gang buddies and his right wing killer chums. Yes, we’ve seen the videos and pictures of the “novorossia” thugs offering their one armed hitler salutes. It’s SO frustratingly hard to sell us your endless lies when we have this pesky thing called the Internet, and your idiot friends endlessly post their drunken antics and brag about their conquests among the poor civilians of Donbas on their vkontakte pages. We are so sorry that we aren’t the feckless sheep of Russia, willing to believe anything you tell us, despite all the evidence. Grrrr! Just makes you grind your teeth doesn’t it?

          • NWOD

            Can you please put some links of what you claim are “videos and pictures of the “novorossia” thugs offering their one armed hitler salutes“? Would love to see that.

          • Dirk Smith

            No, there’s no muscovite Nazis.

          • NWOD

            Interesting picture – it’s from a football match between Kharkov Metalist and Poltava Vorskia, in the Metalist part of the stadium. Same match where Ukie ultras sing their favorite Putin song.

          • Dirk Smith

            And here is some of Putin’s monkeys from the St. Petersburg chapter.

          • NWOD

            Hmm, what’s that symbol? It’s not a swastika, black sun or wolfsangel. You can’t find any pics of Nazis in Russia so you pass off Ukrainian Nazis as Russian? LMAO.

          • Dirk Smith

            It’s the symbol of your Russian national unity party; you know, Pavel Gubarev’s little boys club. The paid baboons getting paid to die in Ukraine. Keep them coming…..;)

          • NWOD

            It’s not that symbol at all – their symbol is different. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%95%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE.jpg

            And since you are just always wrong but still making insults like a little clown, will stop wasting my time.

          • Dirk Smith

            Ok, thanks Pavel. I mean Igor. You might need glasses it appears. You seem to be an expert, which is understandable. LOL.

          • NWOD

            What’s funny really is how stupid you Nazi Ukie trolls are. Never one intelligent thing to write – just stupid comments like that above. That’s all you can do – lie, troll and hate. That’s all you’re capable of. That’s why Ukraine is such a ***hole. People like you. Morons, liars, cowards, idiots, slaves to oligarchs. Pathetic.

          • Dirk Smith

            Will be fun watching Ukraine finally progress forward like Poland while third-world mongol Russia remains in the Middle Ages since their moronic serfs continue to support old Bolsheviks. Your responses generally validate the IQ of the muscovite. The world’s permanent slaves. Enjoy your poverty.

          • NWOD

            You might check your history there, buddy, Poland ruled you Galicians like slaves. They don’t like you either. I’ve seen in L’vov what you are capable of – nothing. I drove through L’vov first time in 2009, before Eurocup, and the cobblestone roads – the main streets in the city (which were built by Germans in the 19th century, Galicians are not capable of making such buildings) – were in such terrible shape I couldn’t believe it. It’s not hard to fix a cobblestone road, but in L’vov, people are too lazy to do anything – except hate and blame Russians for their problems. LMAO.

            In case it isn’t obvious to you “genius” yet, EU ain’t gonna help you. You are just a colony, they will use your farmand in the SouthEast and take your oil and gas (maybe throw you some crumbs on the floor); they are using IMF to kill off all your old people and sink you into deep poverty (and it’s only begun, the worst part of the EU Association Agreement is not even in effect yet, when it is, things will really get bad). I guess that will make things more “efficient” when you don’t have to feed your parents anymore. Good luck with that – who needs parents anyway. Слава Україні!

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            Putin allows Nazi demonstrations in Russia. Part of that whole “free speech” thing you Ukies aren’t aware of. He follows them with a symbolic street washing afterwards. Congratulations, again btw, for not showing a photo of Nazi symbols.

          • Murray Winchester

            Yes it is obvious that Putler is the king of “free speech”, unless of course it is the type of free speech that he doesn’t like which is mostly everything else. He would allow the Nazis to parade because he is a fascist to the core and dreams of the days when his country was allied with the mustachioed German corporal. I’ll bet this also makes you a little bit hot and bothered given your Nazi fixation. Congratulations for being a twit.

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            Congratulations, thank you for another proof that there are Nazi’s in Ukraine. Let me tell you about that image. https://news.pn/en/sport/90836

            “It should be noted that some of the most active «ultras» the Kharkov team, had tattoos in the form of a swastika”

            You’re pretty smart, tell me. What country is Kharkov in?

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            You keep on calling my photos lies, I’ll keep on calling your non-photos hallucinations, how that sound?

          • evanlarkspur

            It sound desperate. The rubles don’t stretch quote so far anymore, does them?

        • NWOD

          That statistic is a joke – made up by ABC News. They even include satirical groups in their numbers.

          In Russian parliament 78% are what?

          The point is, Russia is a very diverse country with hundreds of ethnic groups. And unlike Ukraine, they’re not killing them.

          In Ukraine, a large percentage of people are neo-Nazis. They might not wave the flag, but they are full of hate. EuroMaidanPR is a neo-Nazi hate outlet. You just can’t see it b/c you are so full of hate yourself.

          • puttypants

            NWOD here goes the Putin troll again. Yes I hate you anti-ukrainian propagandist because you are such sick liars. now get the hell off of this site I’m so sick of replying to lies, your damn lies. If there is a hell you will burn iin it for your lies.

          • NWOD

            I haven’t lied about anything, and you’ve proven how full of hate you are once again (in each and every post really).

            I am not anti-Ukrainian at all, I am anti-hate-mongers like you. Unfortunately you evil pests have become the public face of Ukraine. Will take a long time for Ukraine to overcome the damage you are doing.

          • Dirk Smith

            See above.

          • canuke

            I agree. May I suggest that NWOD actually spend time in Ukraine. As numerous minorities have stated, you won’t find any nazis here. NWOD, please tell us your personal experiences in Ukraine. Please do!

          • NWOD

            I’ve spent lots of time in Ukraine and ran into many Nazi-types. A lot of them on Maidan in particular. Most of them didn’t wear Nazi symbols but it was their mentality that gave them away. Same mentality as EuroMaidanPR. You don’t see Swastikas on this site but it’s neo-Nazi propaganda site.

          • Dirk Smith

            Wow, you’re a mind-reader too. Impressive……LOL. You simply see whatever your fat fascist oligarchs tell you.

          • puttypants

            NWOD..you’ve spent lots of time in Ukraine and ran into many Nazi-types….OMG you are a farce and a paid putin troll. Please stop allowing this putin propagandist on this site. He’s a liar.

          • Dirk Smith

            That explains why Right Sector & Svoboda achieved 3 % of Ukraine’s FREE election last year. The first election without Moscow’s interference. Those days are finally over. Will be fun watching Ukraine progress while third-world Russia remains in the Middle Ages under another Soviet dinosaur.

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        • NWOD

          Of course there are some (though that article has many stupid points in it), there are some in every country. But vastly less than Ukraine, and, unlike Ukraine, they don’t hold the most important posts (actually, they don’t hold any) in the cabinet. http://www.channel4.com/news/svoboda-ministers-ukraine-new-government-far-right

          • Dirk Smith

            Both of your Nazi fantasies and obsession is hilarious. The fascist oligarchy in Moscow counts on your gullibility to keep their caviar and $$ rolling in. Enjoy your poverty.

        • Jennifer Cohagen

          And there’s Nazi’s in the US as well. The difference is they’re not running or intimidating government policy, armed with guns shooting others, unaccountable to chain of command in either Russia or US, only Ukraine.

    • disqus_aJpixObjG7

      It is extremely difficult to fight it because the OWNERS of the Western media fully support this smear of UKRAINE. They purvey it constantly at just the right dosage so as not to openly show their cards.
      Only One in a thousand people in the West has ever heard of the HOLODOMOR- Why? It is the greatest genocide in human history!
      Why has no one ever heard of it? because it is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN TO EVER MENTION IT IN ALL WESTERN MEDIA.

      • Jennifer Cohagen

        Holodomor was a great tragedy, but it was not a genocide. Genocide is the targeting of a particular ethnic group to kill. The famine of Holdomor affected more than just Ukraine, Russia also suffered greatly. Stalin was from Georgia, if you want to pin the famine on any particular country.

        • Jennifer Cohagen

          Also, why cry about Holdomor when today in Kiev the shops are empty, and Kiev has been starving the Donbass area of both provisions and pensions for half a year? Historians worry about the tragedies of yester-year, compassionate humans should worry of the tragedy happening today.

          • puttypants

            Should Ukraine be supporting and feeding Russian mercenaries?. I do cry for the innocents who have been duped by Putin and his trolls anti-Ukrainian propaganda. I had family from the east. I cry for the entire country but Ukraine had no choice in this war…Only your boy Putin is responsible for what is happened in the east and in Ukraine. So please keep your pretend humanity. You don’t give a damn about Ukraine or any part of it. You’re here for propaganda purposeses only.

          • evanlarkspur

            Bravo. And not very sophisticated propaganda it is.

          • evanlarkspur

            Um, “jennifer”, you make clear what you are with such statements (though we all knew anyway): ‘why cry about Holodomor?’ . The reason to cry is that Stalin and his thugs deliberately starved 12 million Ukrainians to death in the space of 2 years. Only people like you try to find reasons to squirm out of this being called genocide, only people like you say things like “why cry about Holodomor”, and only people like you try to equate 12 million starved to death with Ukraine refusing to send money to those who have declared their independence from Ukraine, since the money is only being stolen en masse by your murdering cohorts in Donetsk. Only people like you do these things. And humanity the world over rejects you, your values and your endless lies. We are tired of people like you being among us.

          • NWOD

            His “thugs” were Ukrainians, led by Ukrainian Jew Lazar Kaganovich, and “he” was a Georgian. So why blame Russians?

            And there is no evidence the starvation was “deliberate” – indeed plenty of evidence it was just gross incompetence (something we still see widely today in Ukraine). Do you think Stalin was personally in Ukraine overseeing this operation? No, it was Kaganovich. Vast majority of Russians had no idea this was happening.

            Part of Ukraine hit hardest by the “Holodomor” was the Eastern part – Kharkiv , Lugansk, Donbass. Where, coincidentally, most of the Russians lived. The Western parts were barely affected. But somehow, with a Georgian and Ukrainian Jew starving ethnic Russians by gross mismanagement, you twist it into Russian genocide of Ukrainians. You have a brain?

          • evanlarkspur

            I never mentioned the word Russian in my post. Do you have a guilt complex, or what?

            As for your claims, the historical record does not bear them out. Sorry. But everyone on this site already knew you were lying. You are wasting your time here.

          • NWOD

            Maybe you don’t, then my apologies (who do you blame), I’ve just heard this blame so many times i took a short-cut and assumed.

            Why would I have guilt? I wasn’t even born in 1932. What kind of sick racist are you for suggesting that? I’m not even Russian, so you made some foolish assumption too )).

            Historical record does not bear what out? That Stalin was Georgian? That Kaganovich was a Ukrainain Jew? That most deaths were Russians? You really have no idea what happened, do you?

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            First, about Holodomor, educate yourself. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1038774/Holocaust-hunger-The-truth-Stalins-Great-Famine.html DailyMail is by no means pro-Russian. Second, learn to read, you are directly replying to “communist propaganda from WW2”, and “history of lies coming from Russia”. If you’re not actually responding to that, then you need to learn how to use disqus better.

          • puttypants

            Jennifer do you think I would believe anything the dailymail says about an experience my parents had and lived thru? Please we know the UK’s banks are full of Russian money and London is full of very expensive housing bought by Russians. We all know the relationship between Russia and London…it’s called money. Money always wins over truth anyonw with a brain knows that. Jenny Putler troll stop with the lies get the hell off this site we all know that you and NWOD are Putler trolls. You are obvious with unbelievably fake accusations you’ve made against Ukraine.

          • canuke

            What kind of a moron are you? Everyone knows that the countryside was depopulated of ethnic Ukrainians and replaced by RuSSian imports. The west? It was still part of Poland or Czechoslovakia then. Your defence of Russians is identical to that of post war Germany and the Holocaust: we didn’t know. That argument was not accepted in Nuremberg , nor should it be accepted for the Russian empire, be it in the guise of the USSR.

          • NWOD

            No, not “everybody” knows this, as it’s not even true. Indeed if you look at a map of the famine it included large parts of Russia (the map cuts off but other parts of Russian SSR were also affected).

            Only Lvov area was part of Poland then, most of Western Ukraine was already part of Ukr. SSR.

            Average German citizen was not put on trial at Nuremberg. You want to blame innocent Russians b/c you are a racist hater. Ukrainians are responsible for Holodomer in Ukraine. That’s just the facts. You can’t admit truth and want to blame someone else for Ukrainian crimes / stupidity. (Russians were stupid then too, no doubt, but they are not blaming Ukrainians for that – only Ukrainians too weak to accept responsibility for their own mistakes).

          • canuke

            Truly, you are not worthy of a reply. To dare say that Ukrainians themselves are responsible for the Holodomor is akin to blaming the KKK lynching of blacks on the blacks themselves. Despicable !

          • NWOD

            No, it’s not the same, because Ukrainians were fully part of Soviet regime. Blacks were not part of Southern regime. Completely different.

            Indeed the man who was most responsible for Holodomor was Ukrainian Lazar Kaganovich. Along with Georgian Stalin. What did average Russian have to do with this? Nothing, they were being killed as well, not just by Russian collaboraters with Bolsheviks but with Ukrainian ones as well.

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            Ukraine, as a nation with its current borders started in 1991. At the time of the Holodomor, the area of Ukraine, as well as area of Russia, was governed by the Soviets, which were incidentally — funded by the west. Stalin made decisions regarding starvation, he is from Georgia. Soviets from the area of Ukraine enforced it in Ukraine, Soviets from Russia enforced it in Russia. It was an unfortunate tragedy that is made even more unfortunate through being politicized incorrectly as a Russian action against Ukraine.

          • puttypants

            Jennifer shut your lying mouth. Ukrainians all know that Ukrainian border are what they have always been from beginning of time. Do you think that people reading this site are dumb enough to believe your lies? OIY…Get outta here Putler troll.

          • NWOD

            LOL – “from beginning of time”. Yes, I guess time started in 1991. LMAO.

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            For someone who seems to be concerned about Ukraine being depopulated, you’ve chosen an odd side to defend — after some 50k Ukrainians are dead now thanks to Kiev.

          • kievjoy

            She does have a brain, pity you haven’t.

          • puttypants

            Nope those areas were mostly Ukrainian until after WW2 when Stalin moved more Russians into the area for industrialization. Those parts are still predominently Ukrainian especially in the countryside.

          • NWOD

            I didn’t say they were mostly Russian, I’ll make it clearer for you since English is not your native language: the areas of famine were the areas where most Russians lived. In the areas were fewer Russians lived, there was less famine. And besides Ukraine, the famine affected large parts of Russia and Kazhakstan, maybe some other SSRs too. Nobody really knows how many people died or their ethnicity but what is indisputably clear to anyone but Nazi Ukies is that it was not targetting Ukrainians. It was targetting anybody who resisted collectivization.

            And it wasn’t “Russians” who were responsible for it – it was mainly Stalin and a few of his henchmen and then the collaborators, amongs whom were plenty of Ukrainians. You ignore the fact that Communiss killed tens of millions of Russians who stood up to them, and indeed White Russians fought a civil war to prevent Communism from taking root. The biggest victims of not just the Holodomor but of Communism were Russians.

          • Dirk Smith

            LOL.

          • kievjoy

            For a start the shops in Kyiv aren’t empty. I have 12 people living with us and we get five or sic bags of shopping every week. If the Donbass area is now supposedly run by Russian supporters they should be the ones supporting them. During WWII countries taken over by Germany were fed by them, the Channel Islands being a point in question (the only part of Britain occupied) and the Germans fed the people there. Also Russian keeps sending in loads of supposed Humanitarian Aid. if it is Humanitarian Aid, why are the people starving??? We all know what it really is in those lorries.

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            https://twitter.com/VonHenrick1/status/570592234254544897 = Kiev, and Kiev robbed the country of all its wealth. All foreign exchange currency is gone. All the gold is robbed. That was partially owned by the people in Donbass region, instead of receiving their fair share, the money was used to buy bullets and ammunition to kill them. Hardly equitable?

          • puttypants

            Anyone in those areas can go to Ukrainian held areas and get their pensions. Additionally, they should have moved out of those Putler held areas to Ukrainian safe zones where they would be taken care of as others have. Why should Ukrainian government feed Putlers armed forces and mercenaries? This is a war started by Putler and his regime that has made eastern Ukrainians suffer. The only ones responsible for the death of Ukrainians inthe east are Putler and his regime who invaded and attacked Ukraine. Ukraine did not invade or attack Russia. In fact, there is no excusable reason for Putin attacking and killing Ukrainians. He will be put on trial for war crimes in Ukraine. So if I were you Jennifer I’d start hiding now since all Putler propagandists should be put on trial with him for their contribution to war crimes in Ukraine. You have no shame so I won’t try to shame you…but you should be ashamed for your lies and the suffering of Ukrainians.

          • NWOD

            When I read people like you I sometimes don’t care that Ukraine is about to collapse entirely, your Jewish and Ukrainian oligarchs have been for decades and continue to rob you bilnd, your old people will starve from EU/IMF austerity, your industry is collapsing, etc. But then I realize that you Nazis are just a small – though very stupid and loud – part of Ukraine.

            Ukraine has invaded and attacked Donbass and has killed thousands there; Nazis like you are also terrorizing normal Ukrainians, but I’m sure soon they will rise up and stomp on you and yout stupid Ukrainian flag (which I once liked but now I associate with Nazi haters, terrorists and murderers). Ukraine the aggressor state of oligarch war criminals and Nazi idiots. Слава Україні!

          • NWOD

            Russia is most obviously NOT occupying Donbass. I can understand Kiev charging for gas and electricity, but pensions is something the people earned over their lifetimes. To deny pensions is a great crime.

            People in Donbass are not starving only b/c of those “lorries”. These lorries have made only a handful of trips. You think you can fit food for 2 million people plus weapons in a few lorries? And even these lorries Kiev shrieks about, as if feeding the people it is deliberately starving is a crime against humanity. Obviously you feel the same way. And BTW the lorries are inspected by anybody who wants to – Ukraine just refuses to inspect them so they can make spurious allegations, part of information war.

        • puttypants

          Jennifer….you are full of it. Russia did not suffer greatly from 1932-33. The Holodomor was a targeted genocide because they killed Ukrainian farmers who were fighting collectivization. Please don’t insult me. My parents are from a village near Kharkiv. We had family living in that area as well as other parts of central eastern, south eastern Ukraine. They lost their entire large family to starvation. They told me how the soviet army came and looked for food in every nook and cranny and took every morsel of food away from them. You’ve read too much Russian history who has always denied this. I know the facts. I’ve never know a grandparent, and uncle and aunt or a cousin…all lost to starvation. Please, have some shame…to me that’s like denying the Holocaust happened.

          • NWOD

            Yes, the Holodomor architect – Lazar Kaganovich – was a Ukrainian Jew. He killed farmers precisely for the reason you give – that they refused to collectivize and give food to support the army. They did this for many reasons but not because they wanted to kill all Ukrainians; indeed far more Russians died in the “Holodomor”. Hence it is not genocide. (You should read about meaning of this term from recent international court decision on Serbia.)

            I know US spent $5 billion on anti-Russian propaganda in your country so people like you would hate Russians and make war against your brothers for benefit of Western Empire. You are so full of hate you don’t see you are being played like a fool.

          • canuke

            What crap about “far more Russians”. The word genocide was coined by a Jew precisely referring to Ukraine. That is why the borders of the Ukrainian SSR were sealed by the NKVD. Genocide, pure and simple, and acknowledged by minds far greater than yours.

          • NWOD

            No crap, just truth, Just look at regions where it happened in Ukraine and the ethnic populations there (remember until 1918, Donbass was for centuries part of Russian Empire). Nobody did ethnic genetic testing on the victims so that’s all we have to go by. Plus the “Holodomor” happened in many regions of Russia as well.

            I don’t care who coined the term – it doesn’t prove anything happened – but the Polish Jew who coined it did so for the “Holocaust”, not the “Holodomor”.

            Ukrainiain SSR was largely parts of Russian Empire, carved off and put in UkrSSR.

          • canuke

            Raphael Lemkin Described the Ukrainian Holodomor as a genocide against the Ukrainian nation. Large parts of Ukrainian ethnic territory such as Kuban and Kursk (Slobidska Ukraina) were removed from Ukraine, and given to Russia, so what is your point? You cling to the Soviet claim that Russians suffered as well. Tell me again, why the borders of Ukraine were sealed by the NKVD? Now, don’t dodge the question.

          • NWOD

            I don’t care what Raphael Lemkin thought. He is one Russophobe out of many. The facts just don’t match his rhetoric / propaganda.

            As to Slobada Ukraina, that is centuries old. If we go back centuries the entire world map is quite different, isn’t it? And they were Ukrainian in no way the way you are – you have far more in common with todays “Muscovites” than those folks. My point is there were lots and lots of Russian in the areas hit by the famine. The famine even extended into Khazakstan and Siberia and beyond. It was a result of forced collectivization, and the people who resisted most, got hit the hardest. Kulaks were the biggest victims – they were entirely wiped out.

            “Soviet claim that Russians suffered as well”. WTF? Soviets didn’t even admit it happened. Most of the information came out during perestroika and after collapse of Soviet system. And I don’t “cling” to anything except facts – it is you that is “clinging” to your “genocide” dream b/c, what, it makes you feel important? It gives you a reason to hate? Why you cling to such stupid lies?

            As to the borders being sealed, I don’t know the exact answer, nobody does. Note the borders were sealed to all people, not just ethnic Ukrainians; and note that the border area, today’s Donbass, is and was full of ethnic Russians. I presume Stalin’s logic was that he would force these people to collectivize and contribute to his “communist paradise” and if they would burn their grains and kill their cows and not produce, they would suffer the consequences. That’s brutal, cruel, but not genocide. He did not have a particular hate for Ukrainians, there is no evidence for that, before, during or after the so-called Holodomor (you could say it much more so for other groups, like Tatars).

          • Dirk Smith

            Wow, now a Holodomor-denier. Who is the “Nazi?” Predictable double-speak from a muscovite subhuman.

          • puttypants

            NWOD…you are a complete idiot why do you continue to argue. I knew way before perestroika about the genocide in Ukraine. My parents told me. There are even eye witnesses from the communist party that told of the forced starvation in Ukraine. You need to read soemthing besides made up Russian history. It is not to be trusted. The Russians have been stealing Ukrainian history since the tsars. They have been trying to kill Ukrainian culture for centuries. Unfortunately, for Russians Ukrainians just won’t give up. Our parents told us the history …it has been burned into our consciousness and all your lies can’t change the truth. Ukrainians were always trouble makers for Russia and in particular the communist party and that’s why Stalin wanted to get rid of them. More Ukrainians were in Stalin’s prisons etc., He even killed many of the Ukrainian communist generals who helped win world war2 for him because he didn’t trust them to be Russian or communist enough. He always believed they were too freedom loving and wanted independence for Ukraine. Russians were much more willing to collectivize and urbanize than Ukrainians.

          • NWOD

            If Stalin had wanted to kill all Ukrainians, there wouldn’t be any left. Just like if Russia wanted to invade Ukraine now, Kiev would fall within a few days at most. You Ukrainian idiots can’t understand very fundamental things and get lost in plainly false conspiracy theories. Your parents witnessed the horror of Stalin and Kaganovich but they didn’t know their motivations, nor did they know that the famine affected a large part of Russia; millions died in Kazhakstan as well (did your parents tell you about that?).

            I have lived in Ukraine for numerous years. I have spoken with nationalists in many countries as I travel widely. I generally have no roblem with nationalism but Ukrainian natinoalists, by and large, are extremely stupid people. Your comment above reflects that. It is you nationalists who are trying to destroy culture. But face it: Donbassians won’t let you. They will kill you losers when you come with your tanks and howitzers under the theory: better dead than not like me! Well I think “like you” sucks. I despise Ukrainian natinoalists – you are scum. Stupid, worthless, producing nothing of value, just hateful, lazy, pathetic scum. Give up on your hate and join humanity, you will find life is much better when you stop hating, it makes you less stupid, more productive, more healthy, happier.

          • puttypants

            Kharkiv is in Sloboda (means free) Ukraina that is centuries old. That’s where many of my ancestors are from but it is not older than Kyiv which goes back thousands of years and are the roots of Ukrainian culture. Kyiv was started by Swedish viking princes. Many Ukrainians are probably mixed with swedish and mediterranean blood. I know that’s what my DNA is which means my roots go back centuries in Ukraine. So who ever you are NWOD you know nothing about Ukraine. I have studied extensively both Ukrainian, Polish, German and Russian history besides having parents and other elderly Ukrainian/[Polish, German, Russian, Serbian, Croatian, people that I interviewed tell me what happened in those areas starting from the communist revolution in 1917 up to date. Unfortunately, they are all dead now. Thank goodness I was able to get history from honest sources. Expand you world man. You have a lot to learn so you can quit sounding so stupid.

          • NWOD

            Yes, I’m sure you’ve turned the pages of some books. I have a good quote about that:

            Wanda: Oh, right! To call you stupid would be an insult to stupid people! I’ve known sheep that could outwit you. I’ve worn dresses with higher IQs. But you think you’re an intellectual, don’t you, ape?

            Otto West: Apes don’t read philosophy.

            Wanda: Yes they do, Otto. They just don’t understand it.

            I know a lot more about Ukraine than you think. And I also know that the reason Slobada Ukraine was Sloboda was because the Tsas gave the peasants their freedom. It was part of Russia. The Western parts of Ukraine, including the Right bank, were under Polish rule and the “Ukrainians” were their slaves/serfs.

          • kievjoy

            Stalin did the same with these regions as he’s doing now with refugees coming from Donesk and Lugansk. After Holodomer he moved in Russians to take over the area so that he could say it was Russian. Refugees going to Russia are being moved to areas such as Siberia so that there are more Russian speakers there. I know a few people who survived the famine (of course they were only children at the time), so I think I know a bit more about it than you do.

          • NWOD

            Errh, news flash: Stalin’s dead. After the Holodomor he moved in people to repopulate an area that had been part of Russia for centuries and where is your evidence that he wanted to say “it was Russian”? Indeed he moved a lot of Russians out to Siberia in the late 30s. Well, in general, Stalin liked to move populations around, be they Russian or whatever – it’s not a particular animus he had to Ukrainians, he just didn’t care what anybody thought, all he cared about was his glorious leadership (kind like nationali Ukrainians only care about their elusive “glorious Ukraine” and don’t care about people – in fact they basically hate everybody and are closest to ISIS). Indeed if he had force-moved Ukrainians from L’vov to there this would have “proved” even more to you how he hated Ukrainians, but since he force-moved Russians, it only proves he hated Ukrainians. Right. Gotcha.

          • puttypants

            I’m so glad you’re so brilliant and know what Stalins intentions were or are you channeling him? OIY not only are you a Ukrainian historian but a Stalin channeler as well. I’m impressed!!

          • puttypants

            Kievjoy….my parents were 20 years old during the starvation and living outside of Kharkiv. I know about it first hand. Lost both sides of my grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins. I’ve known about it since I was a child. My parents told me how the communists came into their home and took every bit of food away from them et.c, etc…I’ve written about this somewhere else on this site. My mothers skin had lines all over from having swollen up and watering. She was dying Fortunately, she had an old communist friend who saved her. she hid her in a shed and fed her. My father begged for food in Kharkiv and got scarpes where ever he could find it. The villages were kept seperate from the city…My father escaped his village somehow. Probably because he was so young and strong.

          • puttypants

            OMG. Far more Russian died Really where is the proof? Yes, Stalin said Ukraine has always been a problem ….Here you go again…it had nothing to do with giving food to the army it had to do with Stalins 5 year industrialization plan. He also said if he could deport all Ukrainians he would but there were too many of them so he starved them instead. Oh please, the west had nothing to do with starting this revolution in Ukraine. Actually, it all started very accidently…Had Putin not invaded there would have been no war in Ukraine just a change of leadership and hopefully cleaning up some of the corruption in government. All my ancestors blood and ashes are in eastern Ukraine. There was no need for what Putin did. How can you possibly continue to support that? Ukraine had no other choice but to fight back…and you are blaming Ukraine and the West. Talk about being played for a fool? This war can be stopped right now if Russian forces, arms and mercenaries get out of Ukraine…everyone can go back to peace. That’s all that Ukrainians want but Putin is giving them no choice. Yea Ukrainians want to continue fighting with their clubs. Putin has not given them a choice. They should either give up their country to him or keep fighting…what choice do they have?

          • NWOD

            Far more Russian died Really where is the proof?” There’s no real proof of anyone’s ethnicity who died; one has to estimate by regions. Given where the famines occurred, it is a good bet a majority of victims were ethnic Russians; but in any event Ukrainians were a minority (other groups were also impacted, though for a Ukrainian nationalist all those deaths don’t matter).

            it had nothing to do with giving food to the army it had to do with Stalins 5 year industrialization plan.” You are correct, my bad, typed the Bolshevik Revolution famine causes in a moment of inattention.

            He also said if he could deport all Ukrainians he would but there were too many of them so he starved them instead.” Not clear he said that – Khrushchev apparently made this claim – or if he did, what the context was, but if he did it still doesn’t show particular animosity to Ukrainians since Stalin deported many ethnic groups that he felt “opposed” him. Stalin wasn’t a racist, he was just a super megalomaniac who wanted to destroy whoever opposed him (real or imagined). Now you are a racist.

            the west had nothing to do with starting this revolution in Ukraine.” It’s not a revolution, really, it’s a coup, since you have the same oligarchs ruling over you, except now you are much poorer and with less land. Pretty soon your country will collapse. I guess that will be the real revolution. And with respect to the coup, yes, “West” had lots to do with it, including funding Russophobia since the end of WW II.

            “Had Putin not invaded there would have been no war in Ukraine just a change of leadership and hopefully cleaning up some of the corruption in government.” There was no “invasion”.

            All my ancestors blood and ashes are in eastern Ukraine. There was no need for what Putin did. How can you possibly continue to support that?” I support Donbassians right to self-determination; I believe Ukraine’s oligarchs are contemptible tyrants who should all be imprisoned at hard labor for life but as you Ukrainians let them rule and rob and cheat you, anybody who wants decent government may secede. I think the coup was unconstitutional and unlawful and after that, anybody who wants to secede may secede. Since Donbass voted for secession (vote was not perfect but that was Kiev’s fault for fighting the vote – they should have just allowed it) they have the right to ask Russia for help. It is rest of Ukraine that is invading Donbass, they are not part of Ukraine.

            Ukraine had no other choice but to fight back.” Traveling to Donbass to shell cities is not “fighting back”, it’s war crimes by war criminals. You are invading Donbass, you are murdering thousands of people. Donbass will not forget, will not forgive.

            This war can be stopped right now if Russian forces, arms and mercenaries get out of Ukraine.” After hundreds of accusations you don’t have any real proof of this. No, the war could be stopped right now if you murderers stopped killing people in Donbass. It is not them coming to Kiev and L’vov to bomb and destroy houses, schools, factories, hospitals, people – it is you criminals from rest of Ukraine who are attacking. Fortunately vast majority of Ukrainians realize this and refuse to fight in your war of terror. Kudos to all the young men who are fleeing your coup dictatorship and war criminal oligarch government, whether to Russia or Poland or Romania! May Ukraine’s criminal oligarchs be defeated and brought to trial for their crimes against Ukraine and their crimes against humanity!

            That’s all that Ukrainians want but Putin is giving them no choice.” That’s all most Ukrainians want, but not you Nazi types, you had to have your violent revolution on Maidan (where Right Sector murdered 100 people and blamed it on Yanukovych), you had to send tanks and howitzers when people of Donbass protested and said they did not want to join EU or NATO and they did not recognize the coup. All the violence comes from you, not from Donbassians – they only defend themselves from your attacks.

            Putin has not given them a choice. They should either give up their country to him or keep fighting…what choice do they have?” Their choice is to stop attacking Donbass. If Russia wanted Donbass, Russia would have taken it already. But Russia will help Donbass defend itself against Ukrainian aggression and invasion. You like to blame the victim for your crimes. You are murdering your own people by the thousands and you blame them for your crimes. They will always defend themselves. Stop killing them!

          • NWOD

            Far more Russian died Really where is the proof?” There’s no real proof of anyone’s ethnicity who died; one has to estimate by regions. Given where the famines occurred, it is a good bet a majority of victims were ethnic Russians; but in any event Ukrainians were a minority (other groups were also impacted, though for a Ukrainian nationalist all those deaths don’t matter).

            it had nothing to do with giving food to the army it had to do with Stalins 5 year industrialization plan.” You are correct, my bad, typed the Bolshevik Revolution famine causes in a moment of inattention.

            He also said if he could deport all Ukrainians he would but there were too many of them so he starved them instead.” Not clear he said that – Khrushchev apparently made this claim – or if he did, what the context was, but if he did it still doesn’t show particular animosity to Ukrainians since Stalin deported many ethnic groups that he felt “opposed” him. Stalin wasn’t a racist, he was just a super megalomaniac who wanted to destroy whoever opposed him (real or imagined). Now you are a racist.

            the west had nothing to do with starting this revolution in Ukraine.” It’s not a revolution, really, it’s a coup, since you have the same oligarchs ruling over you, except now you are much poorer and with less land. Pretty soon your country will collapse. I guess that will be the real revolution. And with respect to the coup, yes, “West” had lots to do with it, including funding Russophobia since the end of WW II.

            “Had Putin not invaded there would have been no war in Ukraine just a change of leadership and hopefully cleaning up some of the corruption in government.” There was no “invasion”.

            All my ancestors blood and ashes are in eastern Ukraine. There was no need for what Putin did. How can you possibly continue to support that?” I support Donbassians right to self-determination; I believe Ukraine’s oligarchs are contemptible tyrants who should all be imprisoned at hard labor for life but as you Ukrainians let them rule and rob and cheat you, anybody who wants decent government may secede. I think the coup was unconstitutional and unlawful and after that, anybody who wants to secede may secede. Since Donbass voted for secession (vote was not perfect but that was Kiev’s fault for fighting the vote – they should have just allowed it) they have the right to ask Russia for help. It is rest of Ukraine that is invading Donbass, they are not part of Ukraine.

            Ukraine had no other choice but to fight back.” Traveling to Donbass to shell cities is not “fighting back”, it’s war crimes by war criminals. You are invading Donbass, you are murdering thousands of people. Donbass will not forget, will not forgive.

            This war can be stopped right now if Russian forces, arms and mercenaries get out of Ukraine.” After hundreds of accusations you don’t have any real proof of this. No, the war could be stopped right now if you murderers stopped killing people in Donbass. It is not them coming to Kiev and L’vov to bomb and destroy houses, schools, factories, hospitals, people – it is you criminals from rest of Ukraine who are attacking. Fortunately vast majority of Ukrainians realize this and refuse to fight in your war of terror. Kudos to all the young men who are fleeing your coup dictatorship and war criminal oligarch government, whether to Russia or Poland or Romania! May Ukraine’s criminal oligarchs be defeated and brought to trial for their crimes against Ukraine and their crimes against humanity!

            That’s all that Ukrainians want but Putin is giving them no choice.” That’s all most Ukrainians want, but not you Nazi types, you had to have your violent revolution on Maidan (where Right Sector murdered 100 people and blamed it on Yanukovych), you had to send tanks and howitzers when people of Donbass protested and said they did not want to join EU or NATO and they did not recognize the coup. All the violence comes from you, not from Donbassians – they only defend themselves from your attacks.

            Putin has not given them a choice. They should either give up their country to him or keep fighting…what choice do they have?” Their choice is to stop attacking Donbass. If Russia wanted Donbass, Russia would have taken it already. But Russia will help Donbass defend itself against Ukrainian aggression and invasion. You like to blame the victim for your crimes. You are murdering your own people by the thousands and you blame them for your crimes. They will always defend themselves. Stop killing them!

          • NWOD

            Far more Russian died Really where is the proof?” There’s no real proof of anyone’s ethnicity who died; one has to estimate by regions. Given where the famines occurred, it is a good bet a majority of victims were ethnic Russians; but in any event Ukrainians were a minority (other groups were also impacted, though for a Ukrainian nationalist all those deaths don’t matter).

            it had nothing to do with giving food to the army it had to do with Stalins 5 year industrialization plan.” You are correct, my bad, typed the Bolshevik Revolution famine causes in a moment of inattention.

            He also said if he could deport all Ukrainians he would but there were too many of them so he starved them instead.” Not clear he said that – Khrushchev apparently made this claim – or if he did, what the context was, but if he did it still doesn’t show particular animosity to Ukrainians since Stalin deported many ethnic groups that he felt “opposed” him. Stalin wasn’t a racist, he was just a super megalomaniac who wanted to destroy whoever opposed him (real or imagined). Now you are a racist.

            the west had nothing to do with starting this revolution in Ukraine.” It’s not a revolution, really, it’s a coup, since you have the same oligarchs ruling over you, except now you are much poorer and with less land. Pretty soon your country will collapse. I guess that will be the real revolution. And with respect to the coup, yes, “West” had lots to do with it, including funding Russophobia since the end of WW II.

            “Had Putin not invaded there would have been no war in Ukraine just a change of leadership and hopefully cleaning up some of the corruption in government.” There was no “invasion”.

            All my ancestors blood and ashes are in eastern Ukraine. There was no need for what Putin did. How can you possibly continue to support that?” I support Donbassians right to self-determination; I believe Ukraine’s oligarchs are contemptible tyrants who should all be imprisoned at hard labor for life but as you Ukrainians let them rule and rob and cheat you, anybody who wants decent government may secede. I think the coup was unconstitutional and unlawful and after that, anybody who wants to secede may secede. Since Donbass voted for secession (vote was not perfect but that was Kiev’s fault for fighting the vote – they should have just allowed it) they have the right to ask Russia for help. It is rest of Ukraine that is invading Donbass, they are not part of Ukraine.

            Ukraine had no other choice but to fight back.” Traveling to Donbass to shell cities is not “fighting back”, it’s war crimes by war criminals. You are invading Donbass, you are murdering thousands of people. Donbass will not forget, will not forgive.

            This war can be stopped right now if Russian forces, arms and mercenaries get out of Ukraine.” After hundreds of accusations you don’t have any real proof of this. No, the war could be stopped right now if you murderers stopped killing people in Donbass. It is not them coming to Kiev and L’vov to bomb and destroy houses, schools, factories, hospitals, people – it is you criminals from rest of Ukraine who are attacking. Fortunately vast majority of Ukrainians realize this and refuse to fight in your war of terror. Kudos to all the young men who are fleeing your coup dictatorship and war criminal oligarch government, whether to Russia or Poland or Romania! May Ukraine’s criminal oligarchs be defeated and brought to trial for their crimes against Ukraine and their crimes against humanity!

            That’s all that Ukrainians want but Putin is giving them no choice.” That’s all most Ukrainians want, but not you Nazi types, you had to have your violent revolution on Maidan (where Right Sector murdered 100 people and blamed it on Yanukovych), you had to send tanks and howitzers when people of Donbass protested and said they did not want to join EU or NATO and they did not recognize the coup. All the violence comes from you, not from Donbassians – they only defend themselves from your attacks.

            Putin has not given them a choice. They should either give up their country to him or keep fighting…what choice do they have?” Their choice is to stop attacking Donbass. If Russia wanted Donbass, Russia would have taken it already. But Russia will help Donbass defend itself against Ukrainian aggression and invasion. You like to blame the victim for your crimes. You are murdering your own people by the thousands and you blame them for your crimes. They will always defend themselves. Stop killing them!

          • kievjoy

            The food was NOT supposed to be for the army, This story was put out to make Russians hate the Ukrainians. It was because Russia wanted to be recognised as an industrial country and didn’t have enough of their own to feed Russia and sell. You want to try reading history books that haven’t been written by Russia.

          • NWOD

            Yeah I already corrected that army mistake a few posts down. That story was never “put out” at all, AFAIK, it was just a mental mistake as I was typing quickly and tired. The army rationale was for the famine during the Bolshevik Revolution (also due to collectivization but that time the vast majority of victims were Russian, though you don’t see them crying it was genocide, even though in that case it was).

            There are indeed a lot of groups that suffered from “genocide” under Communism but Ukrainians obviously weren’t one of them.

          • kievjoy

            Strange that the Russians i know that still live in Ukraine always say that Putin is supposed to be protecting the Russian speakers but that they didn’t need protecting until russia invaded. Again, typical nazi Russian that you blame it on the Jews, just like Hitler blamed everything on the Jews. By the way, I’m saying you’re a nazi and other’s like you, I know plenty of Russians that aren’t.

          • NWOD

            I’m not Russia. I know that goes against your racist views of the world, but that’s because your views are all wrong.

            “Russia invaded” – more paranoid delusions. Better check under your bed, there’s a wild-eyed Russkie invader waiting to getcha!

            I didn’t blame it on Jews, because I don’t even think it was genocide, what I pointed out is that the three ethnicities involved in this “operation” were a Georgian and a Ukrainian Jew. Yet you blame Russians. Because you are a profound racist moron.

          • kievjoy

            Russians didn’t suffer from famine, cos the food taken from Ukraine went to feed the Russians as well as a lot being sold to try to make Russia into an industrial nation.

          • NWOD

            That’s bull – Ukrainians were also fed. All the urban centers were fed, including in Ukraine, and Ukrainians that lived in Russian cities.

            You keep trying to make it about ethnicity when that had nothing to do with it. Ukrainians are the true racists, every post I read on the internet I can tell it is from Ukrainian because it is seething with hate (and generally stupidity as well because hate makes on blind and stupid).

          • Murray Winchester

            You are a seriously defective human being, as illustrated by your Holodomor revisionist notions that are beyond belief. Even the most basic research exposes your bs for what it is, and indeed your puny efforts here don’t change the historic facts. Read some actual history instead of just making shit up to suit your clown troll masters.

          • NWOD

            Wow, what a deep and thoughtful comment: you’re wrong, read. LMAO. Perhaps the defect lies closer to home?

          • Murray Winchester

            I have no idea where your defects arise from NIMROD, just that they are quite obvious and reveal you for the ignorant Holodomor denier that you are. Here’s a pro tip; when posting in English while pretending to be an English speaker, try to avoid the kind of gibberish in your first sentence, and when using chat abbreviations, use them in the correct situation. These are serious troll tells.

          • NWOD

            “pretending to be an English speaker” – wow, this proves without doubt the delusional paranoid you are.

            And yes I deny the Holodomor was “genocide” (I obviously admit a famine occurred and that it was the result of Stalin’s and Kaganovich’s tyranny), just like I deny the moon is made of cheese.

          • Murray Winchester

            Thanks for confirming that your personal criteria as to what constitutes “proof” are non-existent, as it was already pretty much evident from all of your other posts here. I am manic depressive and not a delusional paranoid so once again you are wrong. lol OK, so maybe English is your first language but that sentence is still gibberish and seriously the LMAO was used as if you don’t understand where to apply such things. Blathering on with the first thing that pops into your head in spite of ample evidence to contradict your views does not do you any favours. So why don’t you troll away on RT, RBTH and the Putin Facebook fan page where you will find like minded “people” who also like to have their way with the truth. Maybe you’ll get lucky and win a date with the little fascist dwarf.

          • NWOD

            English is my third languge, I just happen to be exceptionally gifted with language, though I don’t speak Russian (sorry to disappoint). The sentence you critique is perfectly valid, as was the “LMAO”, perhaps too sophisticated for your simple mind? Try reading again, after reading the post to which it responds, if you try really hard I’m sure you can figure it out.

            Haha, you have absolutely nothing meaningful to write, just insults and other further proof of your mental fragility. It’s always small-minded, simple people like you who hold idiotic viewpoints but are very passionate about them. Back home we used to refer to racist idiots as “trailer trash”. Ring a bell?

          • Murray Winchester

            “Wow, what a deep and thoughtful comment: you’re wrong, read. LMAO.” Well, I allegedly stand corrected, defended as a coherent statement written by a language master from Russia, at least according to self said language genius. Sorry, but simple minded persons such as yourself with a big ego are nothing new here and you are just one more to laugh about.

            I do agree that your views are idiotic and that you are passionate at the same time, but it doesn’t justify your propaganda. Ignorance in the face of truth is never excusable.

            Spreading disinformation that is historically false as a pastime is fine, but you will be called out on it. You have nothing to contribute but your ego doesn’t allow you to exit gracefully so you plod on. Sorry, but “trailer trash” is not synonymous with “racist”, as it speaks to an economic condition irrespective of any racist views. Nice try though Boris, just ask your teacher at your next English lesson. Rather than trailer trash, the term more befitting a Putler fascist racist such as you would be “Russian redneck”.

          • NWOD

            A lot of claims but no substantiation. More of the same: you don’t believe my lies so you’re wrong and are spreading propaganda. Juvenile elementary school stuff. In fact if I would make an argument like that in fourth grade debate class, I would fail the class, because it is not an argument, it is nonsense.

            Even though it is likely a waste of time, i will parse the quoted sentence for you: “Wow, what a deep and thoughtful comment: you’re wrong, read. LMAO.” First part: “Wow, what a deep and thoughtful comment:” You understand that? Try really hard! What does the colon mean? It means I will summarize your comment. “you’re wrong, read”. That’s what you wrote: I am wrong, and I should read. Can you understand that? Maybe you can ask a friend about what it means? “LMAO” – this means I think it’s funny that the extent of your comment is “You’re wrong, read”. Do you understand now?

          • Murray Winchester

            You are hilarious Boris. If these exchanges are “debate” then you are the only one here believing it. Your posts on this page are not debate, but instead represent outrageous propagandizing. However I agree that you would be at the 4th grade level in any debate, and would likely fail in any such class exactly as you stated. So we are getting closer to the goal of you admitting your incompetence and finally going home to RT where you belong. Just so you will stop going on about your “statement”, which was not a grammatically correct statement, at no time did I say that I didn’t understand what you were trying to say. So your “parsing”, while making you feel all smug and superior, simply reveals you as the pompous windbag that you really are. Keep up the mediocre work.

          • NWOD

            Again, worthless gibberish from a worthless hater. Bye.

          • Murray Winchester

            Bye bye NIMROD! Yet another pompous assed Putller troll sent to the waste bin of Internet history. What an ultramaroon! LMFAO

          • kievjoy

            He’s got to earn money from somewhere and these trolls get paid by Putin. He probably can’t earn money any other way.

          • kievjoy

            I wouldn’t bother Murray. The Kremlin tells people like him what to say.

          • NWOD

            Yes, because “man” applies only to males (and four – count them, four – “diplomas” in English, ROTFLMFAO!), and “most Ukrainians actually know quite a bit of English”. Hahaha, what a tool.

          • kievjoy

            A lot of Ukrainian know more English than you do, and are not stupid enough to think they know more than an English person like you do.

          • puttypants

            I lost most of my family during the Holodomor living outside of Kharkiv. So please no more lies. My parents survived and lived to tell about it. Enough Ukrainians lived to tell their history and how your communist devils came in an literally took the food off of their tables searched every area of the house, other outer buildings including the land. They took every bite of food away from them. I have no other relatives left. Never met a grandfather or grandmother or aunt or uncle because of you bastards. So get off this site you lying devil!!!

          • NWOD

            Normally I would be compassionate about a story like your’s but as you are lying racist demon, I’m not sorry for you at all. You can go to hell and I’ll dance in the streets.

            I’m not a Communist! I despise Commuists as much as a despise Nazis like you. My point is not that the Holodomor was not cruel; my point was not that millions did not die – all those things happened and all those things I wrote about here. But for haters like you, nothing is good enough unless I blame every single living Russian for the crimes of a dead Georgian and a dead Ukrainain Jew, who, incidentally, were not motivated by ethnic hate but by their twisted vision of a glorious empire.

            My point is and was that it was not genocide and it was not the fault of “Russians”. It is you who makes it a racist false charge against innocent people that I find disgusting. It is you who dishonor the dead by spreading your ignorant hate. It is you who is the Nazi.

          • kievjoy

            Ignor him/her. He doesn’t even know correct English, let alone history.

          • Nick Mazur

            So NWOD, explain to me why ten million Ukrainians died from 1932-1933? You can clearly tell everone what DIDNT happen but cant say what DID happen then?

          • puttypants

            kievjoy..I also made the point that NWOD Putler Troll tried to say that Russians suffered more than Ukrainians during the Holodomor. In fact, the two NWOD and Jennifer both Putler trolls spreading also sorts of historical lies about Ukraine. Where have you been Kievjoy. I needed your support. I’ve been mostly alone arguing with these lying creatures.

          • kievjoy

            Sorry, but I only found this thread yesterday morning. Don’t let him get you worked up, that’s what he/she wants to do. Most sensible people know the truth, but I’ve found it strange that we seem to get more idiot trolls on this site than on any other i’m on.

          • NWOD

            Nobody knows your “truth” which is nothing but a pack of racist lies you use to justify your vicious hatred of Russians. You’re pathetic losers and think by hating on Russians it mskes you a man – no, it just makes you even more of pathetic losers.

          • kievjoy

            Hope knowing the truth doesn’t make me a man. My husband and kids would be really upset.

          • NWOD

            I don’t care whether you are man or woman but in English “man” is the generic gender to use when you don’t know somebody’s gender and in particular it is used to emphasize “male” traits such as strength and fighting skills. But it’s telling you chose to “correct” (incorrectly) my use of English but made no comment about the rest ….

            Go fantasize about this imaginary “genocide” against Ukrainains (that NOBODY believes happened except you Ukie Not-sees). The entire theory is so asininely stupid and so completely divorced from reality it is impossible to believe.

          • kievjoy

            Learn English better. The neutral is person, You have just proven that you are not an English speaker.

          • NWOD

            Oh now that’s rich, the ignorant trying to school the erudite:

            Definitions 2-4, 16 at reference.com ( http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/man )

            Definitions 3-5, 13, 17 at wiktionary ( http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/man#Noun )

            I wouldn’t school you on Ukrainian but that’s the thing about Nazis, know nothing but think – with adamant conviction and eagerness to murder – you know everything.

          • kievjoy

            I don’t pretend to know Ukrainian, but English I definately know since I am English, living in Ukraine for 12 years. I have four diplomas in English. Most Ukrainians actually know quite a bit of English so never had a problem with communication.

          • NWOD

            And now I know you’ve never been in Ukraine.

          • kievjoy

            You obviously don’t even bother to read things that might show we know more that you. Read my post again, I’ve lived here for 12 years and still live here. I’m just lousy at learning languages.

          • disqus_aJpixObjG7

            CRIMINALS like this NWOD who actively fight for genocide, racism, mass murder as well as ethnic & cultural cleansing will perish along with the whole nest of russian serpents attacking murdering and raping UKRAINIANS once again. As God says about NWOD (and his heroes Lenin and Pol Pot): “I looked closely but he was nowhere to be found, he has disappeared like grass in the oven…”

          • puttypants

            Kievjoy…please get onto Reuters, AP and HuffPost sites…In fact, I could sure use the help on all American sites especially NYT. That site is almost all Putler trolls making up history. I have a difficult time trying to keep up on the news and make comments as I work full time also so I’m not as consistent as I’d like to be. Most Ukrainians in America are busy working, raising kids etc., they don’t have the time to correct all the Putler lies spread in America. Thanks again.

          • kievjoy

            Get on face book and go to a group callee 1,000,000 Supporters around the world in support of Ukraine. When the foreign press puts out rubbish we write to them and correct them as we can give each other the email addresses of the sites or people. NWOD and Jennifer, don’t you bother cos the group is very good at spotting trolls within minutes and can block them.

        • JC

          Jennifer. The Holodomor was not brought about any environmental or climatic effects. It was man-made, and orchestrated by the USSR to eliminate certain populations. Yes, not only Ukrainians perished during the famines of the early ’30s in the USSR. But that does not mean that these minorities that resisted collectivization were not specifically targeted for anihilation by Stalin. So, in your view, the fact that other minorities (and not just Ukrainians) makes these man-made famines justifiable? I don’t understand your point.

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            My point, was that it wasn’t just Russia instigating, and wasn’t just Ukraine suffering. You got it right. USSR, Soviet, Stalin, certain populations, man-made famine, that’s all 100% accurate. I’m not justifying the famine, I’m challenging the premise that it was only Ukraine that suffered, and hardly any Russians involved in enforcing it. It was Stalin’s policy (a Georgian) and Ukraine Soviets who administered it, and while some Russians were probably involved in Ukraine, they were probably more involved in Russia.

          • JC

            Jennifer, that’s simply not how the system worked. The Soviet structure was highly centralized. Everything that happened at the local level, decisions that affected the local populations, came directly from Moscow. While there may have been local collaborators, nothing would have happened in the first place had the orders not come straight from the top. Have you ever seen the declassified KGB documents? This is very basic knowledge I’m referring to. Yes, I know Stalin was born a Georgian… just like Hitler was born an Austrian… what does that prove?

          • NWOD

            The real debate has been that the Ukrainian Not-sees always blame “Russians” for “genocide” against “Ukrainians”, even though the story is utter rubbish. It is relevant that the two primary persons responsible for the Holodomor in Ukraine were Stalin, a Georgian, and Kaganovich, a Ukrainian Jew, as it proves beyond any doubt it was not even “Russians” that were responsible for it. But these Ukie Not-sees don’t just blame some phantastical “Russian” that ordered the Holodomor – they blame Russians living today for it. Because they are the most racist haters I have ever met (and I have travelled quite widely and spoken to many different peoples who have historical conflicts – most of them with an actual basis in fact). That’s what the discussion is about.

          • JC

            Haha, wow “NWOD”, it was about time you showed up and cleared up everyone’s questions about the despots’ nationalities! … which Moscow troll factory are you working for now, the one behind the vodka factory, or the one next to the syphilis mill? Go take a well-earned papirosi smoke break!

          • NWOD

            You’re welcome! As to your anti-Russian statements, again you have proven every idiot on this site is a Nazi.

            Hey, how’s the food prices in Kiev? Keeping warm, are ya? Soon electricity will run out too – out of coal (in a country that has huge reserves – that’s why Ukraine is not really Nazi b/c unlike real Nazis, Ukrainians are incompetent dolts that cannot manage anything, except to blame Russians for all their failings). Have fun in your Nazi playpen!

          • JC

            Haha! Thanks for the compliment, but I am not Ukrainian. And I’m not American or European either. Just a very well-informed citizen of the world, but you would never understand what that is all about. Don’t forget the kasha and the kolbasa that your mommy asked you to pick up today on your way from the troll factory! Bye Vova!

          • NWOD

            Sure, you are well-informed. That’s how you know I’m drinking vodka in a Moscow troll factory nursing my syphillis. Wow, I wish I could be as informed as you. Because I wasn’t aware of that at all. So, thanks for clearing it all up for me! Next time I want to know what I’m doing, I’ll be sure to ask you, oh-informed-one!

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            Not local collaborators, local enforcers. Are you trying to tell me that Russia sent Russians to Ukraine to enforce it? No, it was local Ukrainians who enforced it in Ukraine. Russian soviets are by no means innocent, however, Russian soviets enforced it in Russia. See what I mean about it affecting everyone?

            And I agree, it was centralized. Very centralized. Very very centralized. Extremely, intensely, hugely centralized. So centralized, in fact, it was 1 person — Stalin. Stalin made the decision, local enforcers carried it out. Stalin was from Georgia.

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            And Hitler/Austrian example … Hitler is guilty. Those who enforced Hitler’s will are guilty. Guilty guilty guilty as all hell guilty. The same as with Stalin. Stalin is guilty. Those who enforced Stalin’s will are guilty. Guilty guilty as all hell guilty. Those in Ukraine who enforced Stalin’s will are guilty. Those who enforced Stalin’s will in Russia are guilty. That does not extrapolate, however, to a grand plan by Russia to persecute Ukraine, bzzzzzzzzt mega fail. Blame Stalin, blame the Ukraine soviets, you won’t find them in Russia today.

  • Jennifer Cohagen

    And what of this post by @noclador?

    https://twitter.com/JeSuisRossii/status/570352363904507904

    Where he says “Putin’s dead goons are so dirty & not even dogs eat them, so Russia sent a dogitarian convoy to Donetsk.” Its ok, he doesn’t need to apologize. I love propping him up as west Ukraine’s mouthpiece.

    • disqus_aJpixObjG7

      Greetings to you in Sankt Petersburg Vladik! (not “Jennifer”). This russian nazi war against UKRAINE is above all a russian DIS-information war. You are a criminal Vladik because you are fighting with the nazi russian regime against freedom…and you too will pretty soon disappear along with all the other russian bandits rapists and mass murderers of the Ukrainian people.

      78% of the Russian “parliament” are neo nazis, fascists & extreme right

      nationalists. Simply google russian parliament to see that this is a FACT not an opinion.

      In no nation on this entire earth are there anywhere near as many Neo Nazis as in Russia . HALF OF ALL NEO NAZIS ON THIS EARTH ARE IN… russia.

      • Jennifer Cohagen

        In the post on my blog below, I outline in full detail the Nazis in Kiev. Sorry, you can’t accuse Putin/Russia of being Nazis when your side is the ones brandishing swastikas, black suns, SS wolfsangels and throwing sieg heils.

        https://twitter.com/JenniferCohagen/status/569817926271807488

        • puttypants

          Jennifer, hahahahahahahahahah your pic’s below show a Ukrainian trident not the nazi symbol. This proves nothing to me….a few idiots or are they fakes that you putler trolls made up.

          • Jennifer Cohagen

            Big guy on left, swastika on arm and he’s police commissioner in Kiev. Middle guy with flag has swastika tatto on chest. Guy tattoo with bird/swastika, 3rd right has SS wolfsangel. That’s the problem with Ukie sympathizers, the photos are right in your face and you refuse to acknowledge it.

          • Dirk Smith

            LOL. Sure “Jennifer.”

          • evanlarkspur

            The problem with you Putinbots is that no one acknowledges anything you say because you endlessly lie, and no longer have any credibility. Integrity isn’t a concept you are even aware of, much less do you recognize its importance in dealing with Westerners, or have any yourself.

            Yes, I’m a “Ukie” sympathizer. Guilty as charged.

          • puttypants

            More fake russian garbage. What haven’t you people lied about. You are disgusting. You’ll make up the most outrageous lies and think if you say it over and over again people will believe it.

  • Jacks Channel

    If there is nazism in Ukraine on the scale Russians are saying there is, then they are hiding it rather well. Something real nazis would never bother to do.

    • Jennifer Cohagen

      I know what you mean. There are hardly anyone in this Nazi torchlight video honoring Bandera … I don’t get where all the accusations are coming from.

      https://twitter.com/ZhenyaZhLala/status/554646130928021505

      • disqus_aJpixObjG7

        Greetings to you in Sankt Petersburg Vladik! (not “Jennifer”).

        In no nation on this entire earth are there anywhere near as many Neo Nazis as in Russia . HALF OF ALL NEO NAZIS ON THIS EARTH ARE IN… russia.

        This russian nazi war against UKRAINE is above all a russian DIS-information war. You are a criminal Vladik because you are fighting with the nazi russian regime against freedom…and you too will pretty soon disappear along with all the other russian bandits rapists and mass murderers of the Ukrainian people.

        78% of the Russian “parliament” are neo nazis, fascists & extreme right

        nationalists. Simply google russian parliament to see that this is a FACT not an opinion.

        • puttypants

          Jennifer. Most Ukrainians do not believe the accusations against Bandera. They all know this was communist propaganda against a nationalists who was against communism and Russia colonizing Ukraine. Once the world hears the truth about Ukraine which we will continue to tell your smear campaigns against her these lies will die. Our parents didn’t fight your lies becasue they were broken by war…but we their children will. Show me one leader who built a country that didn’t kill people to do it? The difference is that Bandera didn’t win. We all know that winners tell the history. Ukraine has always been on the losing end.

          • NWOD

            Actually this may surprise you but I respect some aspects of Bandera – I also despise Communism / Stalinism and fully support Ukraine independence (however, joining EU/NATO will just make Ukraine a vassal state of the “West” and so I think Ukrainian “nationalists” who want to join EU are full schizophrenics, and the terror operation against Donbass is a war crime). But the fact is Bandera was a brutal mass-murdering tyrant, as much as you want to avoid this fact or “rehabilitate” him. I’m sure there are other heroes you can worship who don’t believe in Bandera’s brand of “purification”.

    • NWOD

      It’s pervasive. Thiener being a prime example. There’s plenty of evidence of Nazi marches and salutes, par. among the armed thugs killing Russians. But the most common is the Ukrainain Nazi keyboard warriors, with their chauvinism and intense hatred for Russians. That’s the essence of Nazism – not the flag, not the salute, but the extreme hatred and scapegoating. On that count, Ukraine is far more Nazi now than Germany ever was.

      • NWOD

        I should correct something: Thiener is not really a Nazi. Nazis had some quite good points, and are now remembered mainly for their bad ones – but Thiener (and virtually all of the Ukie “Nazis”) lack these (they don’t build rockets, great highways, restore the economy, restore national pride, etc., nothing – they just hate and hate and hate and hate some more). He’s just a hate-mongerer w/out any single redeeming value. To call him a Nazi is to dishonor Nazis.

        • puttypants

          NWOD…oh no…this guy is now accusing Ukrainians of being haters. dear NWOD…you are the real hater. How can you justify invading and killing innocents in Ukraine…please no more of your shameful lies.

          • NWOD

            Oh, you changed the topic. Yes, Ukrainians are the most fierce haters I have ever met. It’s quite sad.

            Only invasion going on is Ukrainians invading Donbass. I know the political lines drawn by Lenin are very important to you, but a people has a right to secede. Just like Ukrainians had right to leave Russian Empire, Donbassians have right to leave Ukraine. Face it, your country’s rulers are terrible, the Westerners are just full of hate for Donbassians, it’s best just to have a divorce and split.

            The fact is you are never getting Donbass back, the only question is how many people must die and suffer before you realize the obvious. But your hate stops you from seeing.

          • MB

            And not only Ukrainians, by now the whole world starts to hate Russians. Simply because of what they turn out to be. So what’s your point? Crying that you are hated because you turn out to be the scum of the world? Poor poor you!

          • NWOD

            And again you idiots wonder where are the Nazis in Ukraine – just look in the mirror. Each and every one of you on this site is a damn Nazi.

          • MB

            hehehehehehehehe

          • MB

            Boo

      • puttypants

        NWOD OMG…scapegoating who are Ukrainians scapegoating? What Russians did they kill? You are a very confused man or such a liar. It disgusts me to even respond to you. You invade Ukraine, kill ukrainians and than call them scapegoaters?….OMG…the gall is more than I can stand. How do you people sleep at night. Shame on You and everyone of you on this and every site killing Ukraine…a helpless country. SHAME, Shame, shame. Hang your heads in shame for what you are doing to Ukraine.

        • NWOD

          Ukrainians scapegoat Russians. For example, blame Russians for “Holodomor”, even though (1) Soviet Union dictator who was most responsible was Stalin, a Georgian; (2) Ukrainian “commander” who carried out the “Holodomor” was Lazar Kaganovich, a Ukrainian Jew (like most of your current oligarchs/rulers, in fact); and (3) Russians were the biggest victims of the famine.

          I never invaded Ukraine, what do you write about?

          Only people killing Ukrainians is Ukrainian Army – they go from Galicia and Kiev to Donbass to kill them there. Donbassians defend themselves, and I wish them success – may they destroy all the invading armies. Self-defense is natural right, and Donbassians will use this right. You will never defeat them. Just let them go, they don’t want to be part of your country.

  • NWOD

    Looks like Thiener is in cross-hairs of a German prosecutor for his hate crimes. So now he writes this article to try to avoid jail time. I am hoping for 10 years, in a cellblock full of Russian mafiosos in Germany. :) :) :)

    • LavrovRocks

      they have not read this gem yet:

      http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/04/14/what-ukraine-should-do/ he suggests to spread uranium in Russian cities and to contamnate civilians. That guy belongs three feet under the Earth. I’m Austrian and I want nothing to do with this Stück Scheiße.

      • NWOD

        I think it’s at this link: http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/04/13/plan-b-flatten-belgorod/

        Someone should report this to German prosecutors – maybe you? Incitement to nuclear terrorism? It’s all good in Banderastan Ukraine – you are only arrested if you oppose shelling civilians, nuclear terrorism is “patriotic”.

        • LavrovRocks

          I will send a letter to the “Staatsschutz” with all this “ISIS” shit going on they are quite touchy to cyberterrorist twats. by the way, “Mr.” Theiner also has sympathy for jihadists that murder Syrian civilians and soldiers and called for NATO to “flatten Syria”. About time Mr Theiner got flattened himself, with a baseball bat. and after this, if he survives, he can bow down for the soap in prison.

  • Dirk Smith

    The Asperger dwarf thinks he’s a third-world Hitler. LOL.

  • LavrovRocks

    Wait, was that not the guy who suggested to commit acts of terrorism in Russia, to spread uranium, to shell Rostov, to murder relatives of Russian politicians abroad etc etc??

  • Dirk Smith

    One in the same. Simple thugs.